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Homesteading Anonymous 04/10/2020 (Fri) 08:57:27 ID:2aa48b No. 1135
This thread is for sharing ideas about the political meaning of homesteads. It is also from a realistic perspective, so it is about the practicalities of a homestead such as planning, preparing for, and executing actions necessary to complete the start of a homesteading home, and a greater community. I am opting out faggots, get in here, and opt out with me. Whether you have a woman doesn't matter
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Love this thread, BUMP
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>>1144 >>1144 >2. Healthcare I think there are archaic alternatives for dealing with health and dental care issues. There have been dentists for hundreds of years and technology that is not cutting edge is available to everyone.
>>1169 You can also have a solid core community and other units that are on the margins between isolation and society, which will be allies of the main project. I imagine something like the Amish having as allies conservative Protestant groups for mutual benefit, and these conservatives have an alliance with evangelical white groups. A similar idea but for values ​​fully shared by the central community and respected and cared for by the ramifications.
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>>1170 Maybe you are a doctor who does not want to be a farmer but you want to marry a traditional virgin girl, then you collaborate with the community and as an exchange (implicit, not literal) you get a healthy community where you can raise your children.
Resurrecting a dead thread but, I can't resist the urge to add my thoughts to this autistic trainwreck. OP, I get it. Your heart is in the right place but we've been over this shit a million times. No one is going to join up with you and make a cult compound somewhere in the middle of nowhere with its own economy and services and military. I don't even have to get into just how retarded of an idea that is. Just stop. Second, "just like buy land" is not useful advice to anyone who will see this thread. Anon is typically marginalized, disenfranchised, and alienated for his beliefs, his lifestyle, for the color of his skin. Unmotivated, underachieving, underemployed or unemployed. Not to mention often addicted to pornography, video games, or Japanese cartoons. As such, your line that 100+ acres of land and a hand-built log cabin can be had for 100K CAD (~85K USD) kind of rings hollow. No one has that kind of money. As I myself am in that boat, and have done a lot of thinking on this topic and also plan to own my own homestead one day, I'd like to present some of my thoughts and ideas on this topic here. I saw above some literally kikes and cucks shat up the thread but let's try to salvage this discussion, as it's one that needs to be had now more than ever.
>>1246 >Cheap land This is the big one. Yes, cheap land can still be found in some places. It's getting more expensive though, at least here in the States, because of people fleeing the cities after a year or more of riots and repressive lock-downs. But cheap land is cheap for a reason. Real estate appraisers aren't stupid. Cheap land is often cheap not just because of its location, but because it has no real value to anyone. There may be: no access road, no water on the land and a hard-to-get-at water table, be split by a public road, have a neighbor's access road go through it, be too sloped for building or farming, have no hardwood timber of any value, or soil unsuitable for agriculture, it may not be permitted to build a residence on it (only for camping or hunting), and so on and so forth. That said, suitable land can be had if you're patient and do your research.
>>1246 There is an answer to it all, from history. Our situation, now, is what my ancestors had for several centuries. The Brits were "More Irish than the Irish themselves" and the problematic "Fenian scum" who wanted Ireland to be free were kicked out of their homes, given no employment opportunities for four hundred years and in open revolt for much of that. This area is called "Ulster" and has only been remotely peaceful for the last twenty years - in spite of the paramilitaries still present there. The most famous was the Provisional IRA. The Provos had one thing which no other group had, to this day - they were not just your standard Irish alone. The biggest advantage they had on the ground was the Irish Gypsies, famed for "Hilarious shoutout videos on YouTube" and "Living in cars and caravans in enormous Clans" Irish Travellers do the opposite of this cultish LARPing - they live in the cheapest possible "houses" and are the undisputed masters of fieldcraft in the UK. Remember, running water isn't necessary for anything. Some different soaps can be kept with minimal space and a few big metal pots can be used for anything. Dish soap, bleach tablets, laundry detergent - you can mix laundry detergent into a bathtub and wash your clothes by hand - who needs a washing machine when you can do it manually? When you have next-to-nothing, you can live with the bare minimum of income. The humble pikey may seem weird with his strange language and sticky fingers, but they survived through Cromwell, all the famines, the Troubles, and the culture, deep-down resembles exactly what this board seems to enjoy. Extreme community loyalty, very little divorce, their own martial arts, the men masculine to the point of self-destruction.
>>1248 The IRA were not only allied to this community, some of the ASUs were straight up gypsies. They could set up camp anywhere in a matter of a few minutes using either caravans or converted vans. A car can be converted to hold a cooker and a small bed, and even then, you can make a bed by wrapping a sheet around some filler. I'd recommend seeing how far you can take it - you can clean yourself entirely, and shave, with a single pot of water and a cloth. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/05/northernireland.ireland And this is in the UK. Imagine this shit in Canada. A bicycle, a pistol and a van - you cycle a few miles, do what you need to do and cycle back to your van - then drive away to the prairie and just set up camp. Job done.
>>1247 Let me propose a sort of plan B for those of us of more humble means. >step 1 Find this holy land of yours. Ideally you would want 5+ acres, two of those relatively flat and ariable, three of them with hardwood forest. You can go a little more or less in either way though, as trees can be planted or cut down, and earthworks can flatten out or fill in some less-than-perfect pasture. Make sure it has a source of water. Best: a spring that flows all year with clean, potable water. Better: a creek or stream originating on or flowing through the property. Acceptable: a well in place or water table accessible with a hand-operated hole-digger. Privacy: this is important. You should aim to not be visible from the road or from your neighbors' homes. It is important to buy land in the winter for this reason; you can see what things are like when all of the leaves are down. It will give you a better look of the contour of the land as well without tall grass, shrubs, and trees blocking the view. >>1248 I like you. You know what's up.
>>1250 I absolutely do, this is my culture and I can tell you what I know. My family settled down over the course of the 20th century. I got banned on 4chan for talking about this. It's amazing when you think about it - clearly this is a topic which is being suppressed, since the British government is currently trying to pass laws which allow them to confiscate mobile homes with no warrant or anything at all.
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>>1249 In fact, it's like you know what I'm going to type already. >>1250 >step 2 Build an outbuilding on this land. A shed or very small barn. Remember, we are working on a budget here. This building will hold our tools and supplies. You're going to want room for a generator (Honda, not some garbage), power tools as well as hand tools, saw horses, that sort of stuff. It doesn't need to be pretty, nor warm, but make sure it has a good lock. A nice step up if you can swing it would be a solar panel setup for charging your phone, battery-powered tools, and running a 4g/3g modem. I will touch on high-tech aids more in a later post. >step 3 Live in your vehicle. That's right. Sleep in your converted van or minivan while working the property. Remember how I said to look at/buy in winter? Well, as soon as temps get above freezing, you can be living on the property. Why not a camper/RV? Campers and RVs are expensive, have terrible gas mileage, and aren't good vehicles for daily driving or hauling supplies. Any normal minivan or work van can have the rear seats removed, a single mattress placed inside, and still have room for your clothing, food, and more. Trust me, I've lived in them before. An Astro van and a Dodge Caravan. Very comfortable and spacious. Far preferable to any kind of tent. You'll sleep a lot better too, not just because you're off the ground and on a proper mattress, but the dark tinted windows and proper locks on the doors offer much better security.
>>1252 Certain vans are better, like a Transit Custom, for off-roading. Off-road means out of sight. This entire thing doubles as a threat. There are tens of thousands in the UK who still live like this, and are hellish to deal with since many own illegal firearms, many are former members of paramilitaries and many also hold extreme beliefs. Remember, this will get you banned on 4chan for mentioning. This is a known factor at play.
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>>1253 Yes, yes. It's all very radical. Also, who gives a shit about 4chan? Last place I talked about this stuff was the innawoods and Northwest Front LARP threads on 8/pol/. >>1252 >step 4 Work the land. Already, you will most likely have had to clear out an access for your vehicle from the road to your camp site, as well and cleared and leveled things there. Plus, clearing out and laying down the foundation for your storage shed. Now, you're going to want to set up a little living space: somewhere to sit down and enjoy a cold one after a hard day's work, a place to cook and a table to eat at, water storage, garbage collection, and waste disposal. A collapsible pavillion/gazebo and folding chairs and table can make a servicable kitchen and dining. A composting toilet can be bought or made: they sell toilet seats that fit onto a standard 5-gallon bucket. Line the inside with sawdust or those cedar chips for gerbils and you have a nice portable shitter. A bucket of sun-warmed water and a washcloth provides an acceptable bath; a gym membership will let you get a hot shower once a week or so if you have time.
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>>1254 >step 4 continued Income. Working the land means not only making it livable, but also producing. You are going to need an income of some sort if you want to pay your taxes, cover living expenses, and save for the future. You're not raising a family in that van. I'm actually open to suggestions here. I don't have all of the answers. Farming is the obvious first choice, as self-sufficiency should be one of your primary goals in this venture to begin with. Cut weeds, turn the sod over, remove trees and stumps if you need to, pick out all rocks bigger than a walnut and put them aside. If your soil is marginal, consider raised beds. Raised beds of only 6 inches or so can be easily constructed on site from 6" logs split in two and stakes to hold them in place. Topsoil depth can be effectively doubled by digging up the sod and topsoil between beds and adding it to the beds, along with manure or mushroom soil. >What to grow though? Forget the staples for now. You want crops that will make you money. Heirloom tomatoes, fresh herbs and spices, shiitake mushrooms, organic hand-cut tobacco? Who knows. Do you research and use your imagination. Something new, something hip. Whatever will sell for top dollar at the farmer's market in the city.
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>>1255 >step 5 (last in this series) Survive the Winter, and, save and work towards a proper homestead. If your location is anywhere in the northern hemisphere that we would call "temperate," you're not going to want to still be in that van. Your options here are: to have somehow saved up enough or secured the timber and help needed to build that log cabin. Sweet. Just throw a wood stove in there and solar lighting and you're all set. More realistically, you may have just knocked together a temporary shelter to overwinter in. Or, if neither of these are an option, you may be able to rent a room in that tiny town a little ways down the road for 300 dollars a month until Spring. This could be an option from the start, especially if you are able to work remotely part-time in programming, web admin, e-commerce, etc. The rented room will give you internet, place to set up a desk, and stable electric, things that may be hard to come by with the outdoor life. All told, by my quick calculations, this plan will set you back 30-40K USD up to this point. Still a lot? If you're employed and will remain employed even after moving to the land, and don't have shit credit, you can get a loan to where you're only paying 5-10K up front. If this is still too much, I have another idea I've been kicking around that I'll write up later.
Also, mandatory thread reading: Growth of the Soil by Knut Hamsun. Story of a man who goes from zero to local legend, owner of a prosperous homestead, and patriarch of a large family. Excerpt: The man comes, walking toward the north. He bears a sack, the first sack, carrying food and some few implements. A strong, coarse fellow, with a red iron beard, and little scars on face and hands; sites of old wounds--were they gained in toil or fight? Maybe the man has been in prison, and is looking for a place to hide; or a philosopher, maybe, in search of peace. This or that, he comes; the figure of a man in this great solitude. He trudges on; bird and beast are silent all about him; now and again he utters a word or two; speaking to himself. "Eyah--well, well...."--so he speaks to himself. Here and there, where the moors give place to a kindlier spot, an open space in the midst of the forest, he lays down the sack and goes exploring; after a while he returns, heaves the sack to his shoulder again, and trudges on. So through the day, noting time by the sun; night falls, and he throws himself down on the heather, resting on one arm.
>>1257 >cont. A few hours' rest, and he is on the move again: "Eyah, well...."--moving northward again, noting time by the sun; a meal of barley cakes and goats' milk cheese, a drink of water from the stream, and on again. This day too he journeys, for there are many kindly spots in the woods to be explored. What is he seeking? A place, a patch of ground? An emigrant, maybe, from the homestead tracts; he keeps his eyes alert, looking out; now and again heclimbs to the top of a hill, looking out. The sun goes down once more. He moves along the western side of a valley; wooded ground, with leafy trees among the spruce and pine, and grass beneath. Hours of this, and twilight is falling, but his ear catches the faint purl of running water, and it heartens him like the voice of a living thing. He climbs the slope, and sees the valley half in darkness below; beyond, the sky to the south. He lies down to rest. The morning shows him a range of pasture and woodland. He moves down, and there is a green hillside; far below, a glimpse of the stream, and a hare bounding across. The man nods his head, as it were approvingly--the stream is not so broad but that a hare may cross it at a bound. A white grouse sitting close upon its nest starts up at his feet with an angry hiss, and he nods again: feathered game and fur--a good spot this. Heather, bilberry, and cloudberry cover the ground; there are tinyferns, and the seven-pointed star flowers of the winter-green. Here and there he stops to dig with an iron tool, and finds good mould, or peaty soil, manured with the rotted wood and fallen leaves of a thousand years. He nods, to say that he has found himself a place to stay and live: ay, he will stay here and live.
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>>1250 >acreage Why five acres as a minimum? Because by my research, that's the absolute bare minimum for a single household. It might not even be enough, depending on how intensely or not you want to manage resources. The two acre figure for farm and pasture comes from those infographics and other sources showing the amount of land needed to grow food for one year, plus pasture space for a minimal amount of egg and milk producing animals. The three acre figure for woodland comes from the minimum size of woodlot required to sustainably produce fuel wood for a family's cooking and heating. >on firewood Coppicing is your go-to here. Look it up or ask your britbong friend. It's where you cut a large tree down to a stump, let it grow back as a handful of thinner trunks, then cut those when they get to the desired diameter (say, 4" for your heater/fireplace, 2" for your kitchen stove). Being able to harvest your wood at exactly the desired diameter will save splitting work, as well as give you ready-made poles for various uses (stakes, fence posts, trellises, tool handles.) Coppicing also keeps a tree in an eternal juvenile state, extending its life by hundreds or even thousands of years in some instances. Very cool stuff. >privacy Important for it's own sake; no one likes being watched or having busybody neighbors raise a stink because they think you're breaking some community bylaw or something. Living will be pretty primitive for a while too so you'll want some cover while you're doing your business, doing laundry, airing out the van, etc. Living in a vehicle is also frowned on basically everywhere, and actually illegal in some areas. Check your local "anti-vagrancy" laws. But what people don't know don't hurt them. You drive up into the woods, every now and then drive back out. That's all they need to know. On laundry, I hadn't mentioned it in my posts. When I lived in a van, I used a coin laundry in town. If you're too far from civilization, that would be something to figure out. Especially in the winter. When it's not freezing out, a bucket and some environmentally safe detergent should do the trick, with another source of water for rinsing.
>>1259 Another advantage of coppicing: being easy to harvest with only hand tools. Unlike some 8"+ diameter old growth hardwood you should be saving for construction timber anyway, these 1-6" coppice trunks can be easily felled with hand tools: hand saws and hatchets. Just check these dudes out. They look like a couple of normal guys to me and they're coppicing it the fuck up. Another use for coppiced trees, particularly hazel and willow: having an endless supply of thin and flexible shoots for making woven fences, windbreaks, trellises, baskets, and more. Willow in particular is extremely fast growing, and will grow in waterlogged soils and low areas that collect water that are hard to utilize and work around.
>>1256 So the "plan" I mentioned above might run you 20-50K USD depending on the size and quality of your land, your access to resources, and your personal resourcefulness. But let's say that even that is too rich for your blood. In that case, I have a plan C. Now this is not all my idea. The original idea comes from a guy who tried to pitch it to my company back when I lived in Japan. "Micro-farming" is what I've been calling it, but apparently it's becoming a thing in Japan to buy these small lots around the country, plant on them, then drive around to one or two a day to plant crops, maintain them, or harvest. See, in Japan, they have this phenomenom where young people are leaving rural villages for the cities, leaving only a handful of elderly living there until they croak. These towns and villages will have a population that you can count on two hands, with everyone being over 60. When they die, the land is often up for grabs for free or next to free. Why? Because even if it's left to relatives and not the state/the bank, the land often has negative value. Because? The land is usually only useful for farming or forestry. No one wants to move there and live. The house and other structures on it are almost always not up to modern code and cannot be sold/need to be demolished. That costs money, and hence, negative value. These developers find these plots and buy them up. They hire crews that basically go around to all of them in rotation and work.
>>1261 The pitch made to my company was about using technology to make this a little more feasible/profitable. As you may be able to imagine, there is a lot of inefficiency involved here. You're constantly going around to these plots that may or may not need work done, occasionally missing a critical watering period or harvesting too late. Not to mention it tends to not scale so well. What he wanted from us, was to develop a system for remotely monitoring these plots. He would use cameras, connected via a 3g/4g modem and powered by solar, to keep an eye on each plot. I didn't get much more in the way of details and the project dried up when he couldn't secure some kind of grant for it, but I've thought a lot about it since then. Looking at land for sale here, there are indeed plenty of plots that are too small, or located too close to towns/cities for me to want to buy to live on, but buying just for farming could be an option.
>>1262 This was literally what initially created the semi-nomadic Gaels. All of it boils down to "Van Dwelling" or the creation of single/double accomodation within a confined van or caravan. Van is best, since it's easiest to move. Followed by a 4x4 with the windows blacked out. A small bed and some supplies and utilities inside. Actually a surprising amount of problems could be solved this way. Such plots can be used for campers easily, and often are by Irish Travellers. Many own plots of land which are used as halting sites.
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This may be an option for technologically-inclined Anons with 10-20K to spare and a desire to get their hands dirty right away. My thoughts are as such: >step 1 Buy some land. Any land, as long as it's zoned for agricultural/business development and the price is right. >step 2 Build a secure supply/tool shed on the site. A perimeter fence may be needed depending on the location. Install solar panels on roof, maximum power point tracking charge controller, and deep-cycle marine batteries. Install security and monitoring cameras. You're going to want one looking over the site, one keeping an eye on the tool shed, and at least another for close-up on the crops. These will connect to a server via 3g/4g for access from anywhere. Motion sensing, a la "trail cams" a plus. Also, soil moisture sensors and remote-controlled irrigation to save a trip every now and then. If you play your cards right, you could do this alongside a full-time job. >step 3 Work the land. Save for more plots of the same type, or save towards a proper homestead. Get invaluable farming experience and learn some programming/server administration while you're at it. Homesteading does not have to mean luddite-ism. Hell, you could dress it up real nice and flip it to some urban farming lefties for top dollar too if you wanted. Also, the van-sleeping is not incompatible with this plan. Use the van for sleeping only, do the rest of your business in town.
>>1263 Really, whatever it takes to get Anon out of the basement or the wage cage. I'm just doing what I can to offer a suggestion outside of the false dichotomy of "Be a NEET in your suburban childhood bedroom or rent a shitty apartment with section-8 neighbors" and "Be wealthy and retired and buy your own multi-acre remote compound and live self-sufficiently."
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On container gardening, or, so you can't have any land right now, what do. Don't have land or rules keeping you from digging up the lawn? Grab some buckets and a hole saw. Gardening and farming is not as easy as people make it sound. At some point, your crops will fail. They will dry out. They will get root rot. Little black aphids will swarm them and suck them dry. Little green caterpillars will eat them to the ground literally overnight. Practice beats theory any day of the week. Please don't be that Anon who just saves all the meme info-graphics and says "I'll subsistence farm after the habbening when my life depends on it." >containers Make your own. This will give you the best bang for your buck. A good source is the white 3-5 gallon buckets that supermarkets throw away. These are used for deli pickles, cake icing, flour, that sort of stuff. Food-safe plastic and often free. Some places have a policy to sell them for a dollar each instead of giving them away. Walmart did when I did this back in college. The bakery manager had a UPC for them he had to look up and print out. They will need to be washed and have drainage holes cut into them. How many and how large depends on both the plant grown and your climate. You can get hole saw bits for drills with removable blades that will let you cut from 10-50mm or so with one 20 dollar bit. Look into it. >planters/planter boxes Avoid plastic here. They don't last and will break down and leech chemicals. The above buckets may as well in the sun, who knows. Their only advantage is cost and depth/volume (decent for potatoes). Planters can be constructed by hand easily from just five planks: one for the bottom, two for the long sides, and two end caps. Do not use heat-treated lumber under any circumstances; it is full of toxic chemicals and heavy metals. Holes will need to be drilled in the bottom for drainage. A good project to practice your woodworking. >terracotta pots Can be bought at any home and garden center. Cheap up to a certain diameter, get expensive quickly above that. Can last decades if cared for. They have a very pleasant, classical look. Even broken into shards, can be used as a durable gravel for hundreds of years, fired pottery is tough stuff. Good for plants you find you only need one of, like herbs and spices. Can be brought inside during the winter for perennials that can't take a hard frost. Also, warm-climate plants like aloe vera.


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