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Homesteading Anonymous 04/10/2020 (Fri) 08:57:27 ID:2aa48b No. 1135
This thread is for sharing ideas about the political meaning of homesteads. It is also from a realistic perspective, so it is about the practicalities of a homestead such as planning, preparing for, and executing actions necessary to complete the start of a homesteading home, and a greater community. I am opting out faggots, get in here, and opt out with me. Whether you have a woman doesn't matter
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1/3 First, the political reason behind starting communities of homesteads that are geographically close and even adjacent to eachother. A log cabin is easy to build in North America and Europe where the majority of our race are located. These areas are being overrun by state mandated invasion but they can be taken back by raising a new culture that is based in soil and our blood. Inch by inch, year by year. Birth by birth. The point of homesteads is to focus on creating a high natality traditional culture in an ordained structure of communities. Much like what the Amish are doing, in fact. The difference we must have is that while the Amish are peaceful and docile people, we must train our communities to be communities of fighting men who are stood down from fighting with the surrounding host states, only temporarily, where fighting our tyrants would mean death. These states are directly opposed to our existence as free white men, the existence of the family, and the existence of freedom.
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2/3 Second, the practical reality of starting a homestead >Preparation >Planning >Execution For an individual, let alone a community, to start a community he needs to buy land. >in America: https://www.landwatch.com/ >in Canada: https://www.recreationland.net/property/file-83-141-acres-in-beatty-township-35000-canadian/ >For the United Kingdom: https://www.onthemarket.com/farms-land/ These are the ones I whipped up for the most prominent Anglo countries in our people's home hemisphere, the North. However, you can find websites directly looking at land through your country's perspective. I encourage you to look up land right now! It is cheap! The boomers left the land and there is plenty of it with little land. For example, I have found land in Canada, 141 acres, with water running through it, with hunting grounds for barely 35000. I have found 80 acres for 11000 canadian dollars. HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT LINK, BUT LOOK AT OTHER SITES: https://www.logcabinhub.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-build-a-log-home/ I am not going to lecture you on what the steps are! I am trying to get you interested because we need to save our race and I want you to get looking!
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3/3 Making community. To make community, We need a common religion. We need to create a common culture. And we need to have an Ordnung. An Ordain. A way of how we will live for all time, set at the outset. Or we will end up like common farmers who changed as the times changed and lost everything they built because of one dumb generation (der boomers). Dream, please. You can do it. We can do it. We can save our race by living our dreams. What I want you to do it look at land, right now. And dream. Dream about the trees, the cabin you will build, the woman you will have. I am asking you to do a spiritual thing for what is more spiritual than a man building the future with his own hands?
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>>1135 Amen OP. After hearing the masses clamouring for more authoritarianism I realized it's time to finally bug out of the city. I propose Ocean Falls BC as a location.
good thread. unfortunately as you note, homesteading requires land in the first place so many of us are going to be stuck in the wagie cagie for a while until we have a solid nest egg. I'm also not convinced that homesteading will bring in, well, really any 'money' at all while we'll still need money so I'm thinking of it more as an early retirement scenario where you have a bunch of extra money sitting around to gradually go through over time to buy yourself and kids the few necessary essentials that can't be whittled yourself out of wood. Overall I like the plan and intend to live it myself at some point, but I'm trying to be realistic. We will need some form of economy or at least metalworking and chemical production so we can make arms. The Amish would stop existing in a heartbeat if the currently mostly-benevolent society around them decided they wanted their clay one day. So it's going to be a long road. I think the number one thing we should all be doing at the moment is gardening , so we have at least a basic knowledge of plants before we depend on them to feed our families. Check out the gardening general in /culture/, it's springtime.
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>>1135 Seems based but have never even ran an internet search on homesteading. How do?
>>1139 looks beautiful anon. Could you post some acreages from there? I propose eastern Canada, even up to Ontario. Water is life
>>1140 Land is quite cheap anon. You can buy over a hundred acres with 25000 CAD >example: http://www.wolterland.com/property/662/100-Acres-Recreation-/-Woodland-For-Sale-New-Brunswick?fbclid=IwAR3VsStWE4OiWMygX0yb2XvQCReXG7aosnR5Fw2OLA6sVgdDGgoz5Gi7wcI the building of the cabin takes 125-175 dollars/sq foot with full amenities such as water, electricity. if you are building a cabin 24' by 30' that is purposed with wood from your own land, you are looking at 108,000 dollars. this computed with the initial price of land comes to 133,000 CAD or 95,304.78 USD. This is cheaper, and more free than any home you will buy in any part of the city. >>1141 I can link some videos. >a man building his own cabin >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgGEkI510Q&t=3s >permaculture design >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM9UnwZ9Ed4 >what about meat >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhmMQIoYJM >>1140 you are right about the arms manufacturing point. we can both make arms for ourselves, and sell to government contractors. this would do two things, firstly it would put us on a good footing with the government so they don't waco us homestead by homestead. second, allow us to be self-sufficient in terms of arms. >starting your own Gunsmithing business >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Onu0Nw2gE
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>25668 I have spent a bit of thought about this, and I am not trying to be rude. I am worried about the fact that it seems you have to buy more than just the land, build the cabin, and buy farming equipment as a one-shot expense. 1. Property Tax: The number one thing would be the property tax, the state is going to want to keep leeching money out of you in return for giving you permission to exist. It's a stupid scam in my opinion but I don't think you can get away from it. 2. Healthcare I am pretty sure you would need at least some money for basic healthcare. "Let the sick and weak die" is of course based and redpilled as a medical philosophy but I am afraid that CPS or something would use a lack of access to healthcare as an excuse to steal your children. It's possible to have field medics within your household or little clan grouping but even in that case the supplies such as gauze, antibiotics, and crutches don't come free. Another issue is dental care. It seems many people will need dental care at least once in their lives for basic cavities, pulling wisdom teeth etc. It would be a hard thing to do to deny your son or daughter braces, pulling their wisdom teeth, or capping/replacement of lost or damaged teeth due to injury. It's possible you could try to include somebody who was previously a dentist in your homestead community, but again you run into the issue that the supplies themselves aren't possible to be whittled out of wood so they would need to be purchased. Perhaps this issue is different in a socialized medicine country. Even then you would be a "leech" on the system, (which would be fine from your/our perspective, we get to be the leech for once!) but it makes for a somewhat shaky situation since you're depending on somebody, somewhere being a net-contributer paypig so you don't have to. Finally there is the issue of vision correction. Myopia is not strictly dysgenic, since it is associated with an 8 point boost in IQ. It is strongly inheritable which means that children of myopic parents are bound to be myopic themselves, necessating some form of glasses or vision correction. In particular you'd need a bunch of of various strengths as vision correction prescriptions change throughout childhood to puberty (generally increasing in needed correction strength). 3. Any other form of tooling on your homestead. Literally anything that you can't make yourself out of wood. This includes nails and other metal implements. At this point you either need a working iron mine and forge within your personal homestead, some one else in your barter community has one, or you'll have to trade with the outside world. I have read a great deal of my family's memoirs on this subject (farmers and ranchers). They all had some form of income coming in to supply the 10% of things they couldn't produce on the farmstead, such as salt, wheel axles for the wagons, and later tractors. I am not trying to be a downer here but one needs to consider additional expenses beyond initial outlay if one wishes to start and maintain a family.
>>1143 Thanks for the vids. >>1143 Echoing this. How do we escape from the wage cage? The cost of living is very high where I'm located and I only make 1.33x minimum wage. Will be making 2.25x in 5 years. Trying to go back to school but it's hard when already struggling and working full time. Is it possible to get started with ~$7k? That's all I've got.
>>1145 7K is down payment on 70K with decent credit. Though more up front, say 15k, will get you a better rate. Depending where you setting up, chances are the property is not going to generate much profit (but perhaps enough to help support you and yours), so its in your best interest to get as much up front as possible so your not making payments for the next 20 years.
>>1144 >Property taxes This is why your homestead must produce a steady income before you fully cutoff from your wagie cuckcage. Having a partner manage the affair of getting capital moving due to the homestead itself may be an advisable course of action >healthcare See the answer for property taxes. We need not become hermits cutoff from civilization. The practice of modern medicine is perhaps the only thing that is redeeming about our current state of society To produce capital from the land, breeding of dogs, selling of lumber, and gunsmithing as earlier talked about should be looked into along with the possibility of creating other revenue streams off of the land and even remotely through the collapsing system. Dog breeding is low cost, high return if one has a good breed. Lumber grows freely on the land and a spruce tree farm can be easily set up. A homestead must not only produce resource autarky but financial self-reliance. All debts, especially usurous debts must be taken care of in this trial. We don't need to set up our own hospitals because we don't have enough demand or supply for a hospital. However we may set up smaller medical practices >comparative advantage Society has comparative advantage over us in these areas. So it is best that someone who wants to homestead take advantage of what is in front of him. This is from a realistic stand rather than idealistic. Idealistically, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Realistically, we can get out of this quagmire
>>1145 https://www.recreationland.net/property/file-45-an-80-acre-whitetail-hunting-property-16000-canadian/ This is an 80 acres of land with water and whitetails running through. Keep looking, this one is a bit muddy so not good for farming but you get the idea. Keep digging through land until you find something you can make a downpayment on and payoff in 1 to 2 years
>>1148 >>1147 >>1146 More great info anons, thanks again. Unfortunately I am realistically 10 years from being able to comfortable afford such an endeavor. Unless you guys have some work opportunities I'm going to have to sit this one out for now.
>>1138 how do you suppose that a bunch of unskilled neets could just start living off the land? We can't even buy land, and if we did we would need to pay taxes on it or they would take it. We're fucked. The governments tax system tactitly makes all non-mainstream (i.e. in coordinance with capital) lifestyles illegal. You do this, and they WILL come for you. My opinion is to wait for death.
>>1150 >how do you suppose that a bunch of unskilled neets could just start living off the land? firstly, use your strengths to your advantage. as a neet, you have lots of free time to watch videos. watch permaculture, log cabin building, animal husbandry, and how to make money off of a homestead videos. The goal is you are eventually self-sufficient off of the land itself. Look at the Amish, their businesses are notoriously successful. I don't think an edgy Atomwaffen fed operation is what we should aim for. Way less shady then that, we should use homesteads and communities to create a burgeoning white population that eventually has the demographic potential to take over our corrupt countries through replacement. Give 18 year olds the option of leaving or staying. If they choose to stay, buy them their own land and make it a tradition that they must do the same. This way we avoid creating a faggy subculture. The fags that arise can join the multiglobohomodiversityisourstregth TM and we can be left with the 85% who choose to stay
>>1150 Fuck off. Having a will so weak that you can't work toward goals with a vision in mind, in spite of obstacles in the way is bad enough. Trying to project your own hopelessness to anyone with optimism you see is such a vile evil that you should take your own advice and kill yourself. Why wait when you have nothing to wait for? You're fucked, remember?
>>1151 >>1152 He's right. You guys are right too. Many neets want to homestead, long for it, but cannot afford the property. They cannot afford to escape their situation. No reason to give up, but indeed their situation is next to hopeless as their best and most productive years are spent locked inside shitposting. The wealthy nationalists among us need to get the ball rolling and open a space for others to come cheaply and "join in" by providing their labor and whatever else of value they can contribute.
>>1154 No because the amish are focused on religion, we are focused on race. We condone a community that loves war while not mandating it
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>>1154 >>1156 one of you mock the idea of traditionalism, and the other one throws some breed of christian nihilism at me. Your entire argument seems to be directed at deconstruction rather than synthesis. This is a Jewish tactic. We need an argument that deconstructs followed by a synthesis and creation because we need creation, natality, and revival in our race. Decomposition solely is for those that don't want a solution. As >>1152 said, take your own advice if you reject mine. The only problem is your argument has no content other then 'hurr durr the amish are weird and you basically want to be amish so you are weird haha' on the one hand and 'haha I believe in jesus so that justifies inaction' We have an issue fren. We need a solution. Also I believe many Christians would reject the idea that inaction is justified by their theology. "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21
>>1159 >anecdotes about amish cuckery so don't start occupying land goyim I don't want to be amish, I want the white race to move to the rustic land. Just as the Jew founds his power in money, the white man founds his power in the land. You have derailed the whole thread, you vile 'Christian' I doubt you are an actual Christian. you are a defeatist, and a nihilist. God seems dead to you, because you act as tho he is. You act as though inaction is the only path.
>>1161 >its not a life affirming one, its a death affirming one. >"Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.” Shut up kike
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>>1142 It's the North Coast of B.C it's an old abandoned mill town that's on a tanker shipping lane with a functioning hydro electric dam. Population below 500 but was once 3000 and growing until the mill shut down. An Indian billionaire is trying to get a pipeline built through but so far has been unsuccessful. You could easily farm potato's, the fishing is some of the best in the world and so is the hunting. And the dam could power it all.
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Even I'm fully repilled i still have a little hope to find a decent wife someday, this and the need of fast internet is what keeps me of going full mode offthegrid homesteading away from society. I live in Spain, and I see how english people who wants lo live out of the system buys cheap lands in the souththern Spain which is ridiculously cheap. Imo this is a mistake becouse of the arid climate. In the northern Spain where there is lovely forests, vegetation and rain, the land is expensive AF. But the thing is for homesteading we need continental climate to grow vegetables with success.
>>1166 That's not true though, you can grow most vegetables hydroponically and it uses far less water than traditional agriculture does. Little to no runoff either. Unless you have plans to completely cut yourself off from running water and electricity, hydroponics/aeroponics/aquaponics is the redpilled way of growing food. Or just hunt/fish. You don't actually need vegetables to survive. Fruit maybe, but not if you eat raw meat.
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Love this thread, BUMP
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>>1144 >>1144 >2. Healthcare I think there are archaic alternatives for dealing with health and dental care issues. There have been dentists for hundreds of years and technology that is not cutting edge is available to everyone.
>>1169 You can also have a solid core community and other units that are on the margins between isolation and society, which will be allies of the main project. I imagine something like the Amish having as allies conservative Protestant groups for mutual benefit, and these conservatives have an alliance with evangelical white groups. A similar idea but for values ​​fully shared by the central community and respected and cared for by the ramifications.
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>>1170 Maybe you are a doctor who does not want to be a farmer but you want to marry a traditional virgin girl, then you collaborate with the community and as an exchange (implicit, not literal) you get a healthy community where you can raise your children.
Resurrecting a dead thread but, I can't resist the urge to add my thoughts to this autistic trainwreck. OP, I get it. Your heart is in the right place but we've been over this shit a million times. No one is going to join up with you and make a cult compound somewhere in the middle of nowhere with its own economy and services and military. I don't even have to get into just how retarded of an idea that is. Just stop. Second, "just like buy land" is not useful advice to anyone who will see this thread. Anon is typically marginalized, disenfranchised, and alienated for his beliefs, his lifestyle, for the color of his skin. Unmotivated, underachieving, underemployed or unemployed. Not to mention often addicted to pornography, video games, or Japanese cartoons. As such, your line that 100+ acres of land and a hand-built log cabin can be had for 100K CAD (~85K USD) kind of rings hollow. No one has that kind of money. As I myself am in that boat, and have done a lot of thinking on this topic and also plan to own my own homestead one day, I'd like to present some of my thoughts and ideas on this topic here. I saw above some literally kikes and cucks shat up the thread but let's try to salvage this discussion, as it's one that needs to be had now more than ever.
>>1246 >Cheap land This is the big one. Yes, cheap land can still be found in some places. It's getting more expensive though, at least here in the States, because of people fleeing the cities after a year or more of riots and repressive lock-downs. But cheap land is cheap for a reason. Real estate appraisers aren't stupid. Cheap land is often cheap not just because of its location, but because it has no real value to anyone. There may be: no access road, no water on the land and a hard-to-get-at water table, be split by a public road, have a neighbor's access road go through it, be too sloped for building or farming, have no hardwood timber of any value, or soil unsuitable for agriculture, it may not be permitted to build a residence on it (only for camping or hunting), and so on and so forth. That said, suitable land can be had if you're patient and do your research.
>>1246 There is an answer to it all, from history. Our situation, now, is what my ancestors had for several centuries. The Brits were "More Irish than the Irish themselves" and the problematic "Fenian scum" who wanted Ireland to be free were kicked out of their homes, given no employment opportunities for four hundred years and in open revolt for much of that. This area is called "Ulster" and has only been remotely peaceful for the last twenty years - in spite of the paramilitaries still present there. The most famous was the Provisional IRA. The Provos had one thing which no other group had, to this day - they were not just your standard Irish alone. The biggest advantage they had on the ground was the Irish Gypsies, famed for "Hilarious shoutout videos on YouTube" and "Living in cars and caravans in enormous Clans" Irish Travellers do the opposite of this cultish LARPing - they live in the cheapest possible "houses" and are the undisputed masters of fieldcraft in the UK. Remember, running water isn't necessary for anything. Some different soaps can be kept with minimal space and a few big metal pots can be used for anything. Dish soap, bleach tablets, laundry detergent - you can mix laundry detergent into a bathtub and wash your clothes by hand - who needs a washing machine when you can do it manually? When you have next-to-nothing, you can live with the bare minimum of income. The humble pikey may seem weird with his strange language and sticky fingers, but they survived through Cromwell, all the famines, the Troubles, and the culture, deep-down resembles exactly what this board seems to enjoy. Extreme community loyalty, very little divorce, their own martial arts, the men masculine to the point of self-destruction.
>>1248 The IRA were not only allied to this community, some of the ASUs were straight up gypsies. They could set up camp anywhere in a matter of a few minutes using either caravans or converted vans. A car can be converted to hold a cooker and a small bed, and even then, you can make a bed by wrapping a sheet around some filler. I'd recommend seeing how far you can take it - you can clean yourself entirely, and shave, with a single pot of water and a cloth. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/05/northernireland.ireland And this is in the UK. Imagine this shit in Canada. A bicycle, a pistol and a van - you cycle a few miles, do what you need to do and cycle back to your van - then drive away to the prairie and just set up camp. Job done.
>>1247 Let me propose a sort of plan B for those of us of more humble means. >step 1 Find this holy land of yours. Ideally you would want 5+ acres, two of those relatively flat and ariable, three of them with hardwood forest. You can go a little more or less in either way though, as trees can be planted or cut down, and earthworks can flatten out or fill in some less-than-perfect pasture. Make sure it has a source of water. Best: a spring that flows all year with clean, potable water. Better: a creek or stream originating on or flowing through the property. Acceptable: a well in place or water table accessible with a hand-operated hole-digger. Privacy: this is important. You should aim to not be visible from the road or from your neighbors' homes. It is important to buy land in the winter for this reason; you can see what things are like when all of the leaves are down. It will give you a better look of the contour of the land as well without tall grass, shrubs, and trees blocking the view. >>1248 I like you. You know what's up.
>>1250 I absolutely do, this is my culture and I can tell you what I know. My family settled down over the course of the 20th century. I got banned on 4chan for talking about this. It's amazing when you think about it - clearly this is a topic which is being suppressed, since the British government is currently trying to pass laws which allow them to confiscate mobile homes with no warrant or anything at all.
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>>1249 In fact, it's like you know what I'm going to type already. >>1250 >step 2 Build an outbuilding on this land. A shed or very small barn. Remember, we are working on a budget here. This building will hold our tools and supplies. You're going to want room for a generator (Honda, not some garbage), power tools as well as hand tools, saw horses, that sort of stuff. It doesn't need to be pretty, nor warm, but make sure it has a good lock. A nice step up if you can swing it would be a solar panel setup for charging your phone, battery-powered tools, and running a 4g/3g modem. I will touch on high-tech aids more in a later post. >step 3 Live in your vehicle. That's right. Sleep in your converted van or minivan while working the property. Remember how I said to look at/buy in winter? Well, as soon as temps get above freezing, you can be living on the property. Why not a camper/RV? Campers and RVs are expensive, have terrible gas mileage, and aren't good vehicles for daily driving or hauling supplies. Any normal minivan or work van can have the rear seats removed, a single mattress placed inside, and still have room for your clothing, food, and more. Trust me, I've lived in them before. An Astro van and a Dodge Caravan. Very comfortable and spacious. Far preferable to any kind of tent. You'll sleep a lot better too, not just because you're off the ground and on a proper mattress, but the dark tinted windows and proper locks on the doors offer much better security.
>>1252 Certain vans are better, like a Transit Custom, for off-roading. Off-road means out of sight. This entire thing doubles as a threat. There are tens of thousands in the UK who still live like this, and are hellish to deal with since many own illegal firearms, many are former members of paramilitaries and many also hold extreme beliefs. Remember, this will get you banned on 4chan for mentioning. This is a known factor at play.
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>>1253 Yes, yes. It's all very radical. Also, who gives a shit about 4chan? Last place I talked about this stuff was the innawoods and Northwest Front LARP threads on 8/pol/. >>1252 >step 4 Work the land. Already, you will most likely have had to clear out an access for your vehicle from the road to your camp site, as well and cleared and leveled things there. Plus, clearing out and laying down the foundation for your storage shed. Now, you're going to want to set up a little living space: somewhere to sit down and enjoy a cold one after a hard day's work, a place to cook and a table to eat at, water storage, garbage collection, and waste disposal. A collapsible pavillion/gazebo and folding chairs and table can make a servicable kitchen and dining. A composting toilet can be bought or made: they sell toilet seats that fit onto a standard 5-gallon bucket. Line the inside with sawdust or those cedar chips for gerbils and you have a nice portable shitter. A bucket of sun-warmed water and a washcloth provides an acceptable bath; a gym membership will let you get a hot shower once a week or so if you have time.
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>>1254 >step 4 continued Income. Working the land means not only making it livable, but also producing. You are going to need an income of some sort if you want to pay your taxes, cover living expenses, and save for the future. You're not raising a family in that van. I'm actually open to suggestions here. I don't have all of the answers. Farming is the obvious first choice, as self-sufficiency should be one of your primary goals in this venture to begin with. Cut weeds, turn the sod over, remove trees and stumps if you need to, pick out all rocks bigger than a walnut and put them aside. If your soil is marginal, consider raised beds. Raised beds of only 6 inches or so can be easily constructed on site from 6" logs split in two and stakes to hold them in place. Topsoil depth can be effectively doubled by digging up the sod and topsoil between beds and adding it to the beds, along with manure or mushroom soil. >What to grow though? Forget the staples for now. You want crops that will make you money. Heirloom tomatoes, fresh herbs and spices, shiitake mushrooms, organic hand-cut tobacco? Who knows. Do you research and use your imagination. Something new, something hip. Whatever will sell for top dollar at the farmer's market in the city.
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>>1255 >step 5 (last in this series) Survive the Winter, and, save and work towards a proper homestead. If your location is anywhere in the northern hemisphere that we would call "temperate," you're not going to want to still be in that van. Your options here are: to have somehow saved up enough or secured the timber and help needed to build that log cabin. Sweet. Just throw a wood stove in there and solar lighting and you're all set. More realistically, you may have just knocked together a temporary shelter to overwinter in. Or, if neither of these are an option, you may be able to rent a room in that tiny town a little ways down the road for 300 dollars a month until Spring. This could be an option from the start, especially if you are able to work remotely part-time in programming, web admin, e-commerce, etc. The rented room will give you internet, place to set up a desk, and stable electric, things that may be hard to come by with the outdoor life. All told, by my quick calculations, this plan will set you back 30-40K USD up to this point. Still a lot? If you're employed and will remain employed even after moving to the land, and don't have shit credit, you can get a loan to where you're only paying 5-10K up front. If this is still too much, I have another idea I've been kicking around that I'll write up later.
Also, mandatory thread reading: Growth of the Soil by Knut Hamsun. Story of a man who goes from zero to local legend, owner of a prosperous homestead, and patriarch of a large family. Excerpt: The man comes, walking toward the north. He bears a sack, the first sack, carrying food and some few implements. A strong, coarse fellow, with a red iron beard, and little scars on face and hands; sites of old wounds--were they gained in toil or fight? Maybe the man has been in prison, and is looking for a place to hide; or a philosopher, maybe, in search of peace. This or that, he comes; the figure of a man in this great solitude. He trudges on; bird and beast are silent all about him; now and again he utters a word or two; speaking to himself. "Eyah--well, well...."--so he speaks to himself. Here and there, where the moors give place to a kindlier spot, an open space in the midst of the forest, he lays down the sack and goes exploring; after a while he returns, heaves the sack to his shoulder again, and trudges on. So through the day, noting time by the sun; night falls, and he throws himself down on the heather, resting on one arm.
>>1257 >cont. A few hours' rest, and he is on the move again: "Eyah, well...."--moving northward again, noting time by the sun; a meal of barley cakes and goats' milk cheese, a drink of water from the stream, and on again. This day too he journeys, for there are many kindly spots in the woods to be explored. What is he seeking? A place, a patch of ground? An emigrant, maybe, from the homestead tracts; he keeps his eyes alert, looking out; now and again heclimbs to the top of a hill, looking out. The sun goes down once more. He moves along the western side of a valley; wooded ground, with leafy trees among the spruce and pine, and grass beneath. Hours of this, and twilight is falling, but his ear catches the faint purl of running water, and it heartens him like the voice of a living thing. He climbs the slope, and sees the valley half in darkness below; beyond, the sky to the south. He lies down to rest. The morning shows him a range of pasture and woodland. He moves down, and there is a green hillside; far below, a glimpse of the stream, and a hare bounding across. The man nods his head, as it were approvingly--the stream is not so broad but that a hare may cross it at a bound. A white grouse sitting close upon its nest starts up at his feet with an angry hiss, and he nods again: feathered game and fur--a good spot this. Heather, bilberry, and cloudberry cover the ground; there are tinyferns, and the seven-pointed star flowers of the winter-green. Here and there he stops to dig with an iron tool, and finds good mould, or peaty soil, manured with the rotted wood and fallen leaves of a thousand years. He nods, to say that he has found himself a place to stay and live: ay, he will stay here and live.
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>>1250 >acreage Why five acres as a minimum? Because by my research, that's the absolute bare minimum for a single household. It might not even be enough, depending on how intensely or not you want to manage resources. The two acre figure for farm and pasture comes from those infographics and other sources showing the amount of land needed to grow food for one year, plus pasture space for a minimal amount of egg and milk producing animals. The three acre figure for woodland comes from the minimum size of woodlot required to sustainably produce fuel wood for a family's cooking and heating. >on firewood Coppicing is your go-to here. Look it up or ask your britbong friend. It's where you cut a large tree down to a stump, let it grow back as a handful of thinner trunks, then cut those when they get to the desired diameter (say, 4" for your heater/fireplace, 2" for your kitchen stove). Being able to harvest your wood at exactly the desired diameter will save splitting work, as well as give you ready-made poles for various uses (stakes, fence posts, trellises, tool handles.) Coppicing also keeps a tree in an eternal juvenile state, extending its life by hundreds or even thousands of years in some instances. Very cool stuff. >privacy Important for it's own sake; no one likes being watched or having busybody neighbors raise a stink because they think you're breaking some community bylaw or something. Living will be pretty primitive for a while too so you'll want some cover while you're doing your business, doing laundry, airing out the van, etc. Living in a vehicle is also frowned on basically everywhere, and actually illegal in some areas. Check your local "anti-vagrancy" laws. But what people don't know don't hurt them. You drive up into the woods, every now and then drive back out. That's all they need to know. On laundry, I hadn't mentioned it in my posts. When I lived in a van, I used a coin laundry in town. If you're too far from civilization, that would be something to figure out. Especially in the winter. When it's not freezing out, a bucket and some environmentally safe detergent should do the trick, with another source of water for rinsing.
>>1259 Another advantage of coppicing: being easy to harvest with only hand tools. Unlike some 8"+ diameter old growth hardwood you should be saving for construction timber anyway, these 1-6" coppice trunks can be easily felled with hand tools: hand saws and hatchets. Just check these dudes out. They look like a couple of normal guys to me and they're coppicing it the fuck up. Another use for coppiced trees, particularly hazel and willow: having an endless supply of thin and flexible shoots for making woven fences, windbreaks, trellises, baskets, and more. Willow in particular is extremely fast growing, and will grow in waterlogged soils and low areas that collect water that are hard to utilize and work around.
>>1256 So the "plan" I mentioned above might run you 20-50K USD depending on the size and quality of your land, your access to resources, and your personal resourcefulness. But let's say that even that is too rich for your blood. In that case, I have a plan C. Now this is not all my idea. The original idea comes from a guy who tried to pitch it to my company back when I lived in Japan. "Micro-farming" is what I've been calling it, but apparently it's becoming a thing in Japan to buy these small lots around the country, plant on them, then drive around to one or two a day to plant crops, maintain them, or harvest. See, in Japan, they have this phenomenom where young people are leaving rural villages for the cities, leaving only a handful of elderly living there until they croak. These towns and villages will have a population that you can count on two hands, with everyone being over 60. When they die, the land is often up for grabs for free or next to free. Why? Because even if it's left to relatives and not the state/the bank, the land often has negative value. Because? The land is usually only useful for farming or forestry. No one wants to move there and live. The house and other structures on it are almost always not up to modern code and cannot be sold/need to be demolished. That costs money, and hence, negative value. These developers find these plots and buy them up. They hire crews that basically go around to all of them in rotation and work.
>>1261 The pitch made to my company was about using technology to make this a little more feasible/profitable. As you may be able to imagine, there is a lot of inefficiency involved here. You're constantly going around to these plots that may or may not need work done, occasionally missing a critical watering period or harvesting too late. Not to mention it tends to not scale so well. What he wanted from us, was to develop a system for remotely monitoring these plots. He would use cameras, connected via a 3g/4g modem and powered by solar, to keep an eye on each plot. I didn't get much more in the way of details and the project dried up when he couldn't secure some kind of grant for it, but I've thought a lot about it since then. Looking at land for sale here, there are indeed plenty of plots that are too small, or located too close to towns/cities for me to want to buy to live on, but buying just for farming could be an option.
>>1262 This was literally what initially created the semi-nomadic Gaels. All of it boils down to "Van Dwelling" or the creation of single/double accomodation within a confined van or caravan. Van is best, since it's easiest to move. Followed by a 4x4 with the windows blacked out. A small bed and some supplies and utilities inside. Actually a surprising amount of problems could be solved this way. Such plots can be used for campers easily, and often are by Irish Travellers. Many own plots of land which are used as halting sites.
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This may be an option for technologically-inclined Anons with 10-20K to spare and a desire to get their hands dirty right away. My thoughts are as such: >step 1 Buy some land. Any land, as long as it's zoned for agricultural/business development and the price is right. >step 2 Build a secure supply/tool shed on the site. A perimeter fence may be needed depending on the location. Install solar panels on roof, maximum power point tracking charge controller, and deep-cycle marine batteries. Install security and monitoring cameras. You're going to want one looking over the site, one keeping an eye on the tool shed, and at least another for close-up on the crops. These will connect to a server via 3g/4g for access from anywhere. Motion sensing, a la "trail cams" a plus. Also, soil moisture sensors and remote-controlled irrigation to save a trip every now and then. If you play your cards right, you could do this alongside a full-time job. >step 3 Work the land. Save for more plots of the same type, or save towards a proper homestead. Get invaluable farming experience and learn some programming/server administration while you're at it. Homesteading does not have to mean luddite-ism. Hell, you could dress it up real nice and flip it to some urban farming lefties for top dollar too if you wanted. Also, the van-sleeping is not incompatible with this plan. Use the van for sleeping only, do the rest of your business in town.
>>1263 Really, whatever it takes to get Anon out of the basement or the wage cage. I'm just doing what I can to offer a suggestion outside of the false dichotomy of "Be a NEET in your suburban childhood bedroom or rent a shitty apartment with section-8 neighbors" and "Be wealthy and retired and buy your own multi-acre remote compound and live self-sufficiently."
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On container gardening, or, so you can't have any land right now, what do. Don't have land or rules keeping you from digging up the lawn? Grab some buckets and a hole saw. Gardening and farming is not as easy as people make it sound. At some point, your crops will fail. They will dry out. They will get root rot. Little black aphids will swarm them and suck them dry. Little green caterpillars will eat them to the ground literally overnight. Practice beats theory any day of the week. Please don't be that Anon who just saves all the meme info-graphics and says "I'll subsistence farm after the habbening when my life depends on it." >containers Make your own. This will give you the best bang for your buck. A good source is the white 3-5 gallon buckets that supermarkets throw away. These are used for deli pickles, cake icing, flour, that sort of stuff. Food-safe plastic and often free. Some places have a policy to sell them for a dollar each instead of giving them away. Walmart did when I did this back in college. The bakery manager had a UPC for them he had to look up and print out. They will need to be washed and have drainage holes cut into them. How many and how large depends on both the plant grown and your climate. You can get hole saw bits for drills with removable blades that will let you cut from 10-50mm or so with one 20 dollar bit. Look into it. >planters/planter boxes Avoid plastic here. They don't last and will break down and leech chemicals. The above buckets may as well in the sun, who knows. Their only advantage is cost and depth/volume (decent for potatoes). Planters can be constructed by hand easily from just five planks: one for the bottom, two for the long sides, and two end caps. Do not use heat-treated lumber under any circumstances; it is full of toxic chemicals and heavy metals. Holes will need to be drilled in the bottom for drainage. A good project to practice your woodworking. >terracotta pots Can be bought at any home and garden center. Cheap up to a certain diameter, get expensive quickly above that. Can last decades if cared for. They have a very pleasant, classical look. Even broken into shards, can be used as a durable gravel for hundreds of years, fired pottery is tough stuff. Good for plants you find you only need one of, like herbs and spices. Can be brought inside during the winter for perennials that can't take a hard frost. Also, warm-climate plants like aloe vera.


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