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Turning theory into practice Blackshirt 03/29/2021 (Mon) 13:19:41 ID:564b8c No. 946 [Reply] [Last]
I'm sure we can all agree that talking and discussing and debating is all well and good but unless we actually put our thoughts and desires into practice it all means nothing. This is a thread about action. I'm currently trying to think of a way to put into being a version of the RAD from NatSoc Germany into play here in the states (Specifically my state, Wisconsin). I want to see my state improve and start getting people motivated, show them what good fascist thought can do for them. For me, that starts with giving them a place to belong. A labor force that directs their efforts through out the state. What're ways you anons are putting your ideology and thought into action in your lives?
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>>2517 This is be true, however the idea that he was trying to depose Hitler was never proven. Strasser was not an ally of Hitler, and was essentially a leftist that they kept in the party too long and was gaining influence, so they should've killed him much sooner. Rohm did want a full revolution though, a full National Socialist revolution where these jews, Industrialists, and the aristocracy would be slaughtered. Hitler chose them over Rohm and the SA, regardless of their hooliganism and degeneracy, they were loyal and fanatical. They could've removed Rohm and kept the SA, they could've stuck to the revolution without him. But instead they worked with the people who eventually betrayed the Reich, the same people the SA wanted a revolution against. On one hand Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler knew for a long time about this problem with Rohm, but they were fine with using him until that night. So personally, I believe they should've used them a little longer, at least until the end of the war. Since you're still parroting history instead of learning from it, who were the people destroying the Reich from the inside? Oh yeah, the same jews, Industrialists, and aristocrats he wanted to purge, so history proves the revolution was the correct idea. History should be learned from if you ever want to win. I'm obviously opposed to homosexuality myself, and find it strange that they were so offended by it all of a sudden when they were putting up with it for a decade before that. If they were already using them, once again, they would've been better off using them than compromising with jews. The idea to remove Röhm from power originally came from Minister of defence General Von Blomberg, Chief of Reichswehr General von Reichenau, who conspired with Himmler, Göring and Reinard Heydrich. Heydrich fabricated evidence saying that Röhm had been paid by France to depose Hitler. When presented, Hitler laughed at it. There are also sources that claim Himmler himself was fooled into this belief by a foreign sting operation. You could look all this up. Himmler is my personal idol in that era, but I look at history objectively and not emotionally and they made a lot of mistakes in hindsight, but it's always easy to judge in hindsight. Now let me tell you some more, since you apparently don't know what you're talking about. Do you know that Hitler's driver Maurice was a kike that Himmler and the SS wanted to purge and this was blocked? This was not the only time. If you read the books of Austrian SS member Wilhelm Landig, which is available for free online, you'd know the SS trusted nobody after a while believing they had betrayed the Reich and that freemasons had escaped due to people interfering with their work. Does that mean I'm against Hitler? No, but he did have a character flaw and trusted the wrong people. Ribbentrop didn't hate the English, which is why you can look into documentaries and books about Ribbentrop, a man from a wealthy family, who had friends within the British elite, which many British elite testified to. Any reactionary actions are just that, reactionary because he failed.

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>>2535 Ribbentrop was very competent as leader of the Dienststelle, but as he entered the Foreign Ministry the decisions he made were generally very ineffective, I believe he was responsible for the Iron pact with Italy though, so he did a little right. Goebbels and Goring both hated him according to Goebbels' diary and a Goring quote, but obviously these could be false. Ultimately he served well when he was using his own private service, but when he became the official Foreign Minister, his service was lacking. And yes unfortunately they made a lot of errors regarding choices, but these are judgements made in hindsight, we weren't there to see how they saw it.
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>>2753 The entire SA was infested with homos. I'm shocked that Hitler didn't attack sooner. Paul Silverberg funded the Strassers as well
>>3874 As long as Hitler was able to keep them under control, he really had no need to purge them. They were basically useful idiots in the pursuit of power, and they served very well in this capacity. The problems, of course, began once the NSDAP had actually reached power and the SA began to become discontent. Not even the beautiful regeneration of the German Reich would satisfy them. They started pushing for a leveling of society, more and more crypto-Marxist economic schemes and popular control. It was at that point that Hitler decided that it was time to kill them before they sidetracked the regeneration of Germany from foreign / jewish oppression / reparations / occupation.
>>2516 Don't bother with this jew /nigger/ anon. He's only here to obfuscate, create FUD and derail.

The Natural Order Blackshirt 03/21/2021 (Sun) 23:25:53 ID:23c877 No. 272 [Reply] [Last]
How exactly is the Natural Order defined? How do we discern its laws? Should we always adhere to the Natural Order when it conflicts with human conventions? NatSocs like to mention this concept a lot, and while I myself consider myself a NatSoc and refer to this concept quite often, I am thinking that I need to flesh out my idea of what exactly this implies and how exactly it should be interpreted. We know that Hitler correctly pointed out, as have many others, that man is an integral part of Nature, never able to truly divorce himself no matter how hard he may try to “conquer” it. He remains subject to its laws regardless of how much he may protest their “injustice” or “cruelty” according to his moralistic humanist view. It seems to me that the Natural Order is primarily defined as the essential nature of things in general, more narrowly human beings and their behavior, independently of social engineering, nurture or anything else, referring to what is natural and healthy to us. Given this definition which I adhere to, degeneracy or decadence is anything contrary to this. What exactly does this imply (certainly not exhaustive): >inequality between races, men, men and women, etc >hierarchy (rule of the strong over the weak) >life defined in terms of struggle Is it always good to live in accordance with this? From my view it seems to imply that the jews are ‘rightfully’ (according to natural justice) in power now, but this power is not absolute and inviolable, as life is struggle. The weak being ruled by the strong is natural justice. The weak are often utilized by the strong in their plans – sidestepping, I think, Socrates’ objection to Callicles’ claims in Gorgias. Sheep are guided by shepards, rarely do they spontaneously do anything en masse. Of course we are left to define what is meant by the strong – clearly not physical strength alone, intelligence, charisma, perhaps technical organization – all constitute qualities of the strong today. Technics are merely tactics of living in struggle which is identical with life itself. I rambled a bit but I think there’s some things to discuss.
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I was observing some cardinals in my yard and thinking how the females are so much duller than the males, and I was wondering whether this has any relation to the fact that historically we see women being made less noticeable than more noticeable through clothing, up to the extreme of burqas in Islamic culture, but in many other ways in other more European cultures until the recent past. I am sure there are counter examples in animals of the females being brighter and more beautiful, but it was interesting to think about. I can't consider it a Law of Nature most likely, but it is a tendency maybe.
>>3491 That's like observing spiders and wondering if women were historically larger than men. In humans, men compete with strength and status. Aesthetics are important, but secondary. Women were always the flamboyant ones and use their looks to attract and manipulate men. Burqas and similar customs are purely artificial and exist as a means to thwart womens' power.
>>3717 Artificial, yes. Though humans have the ability to innovate, especially culturally, though it is of course not the same thing as something which developed biologically. The real question is however is whether the basic "intent" is the same, i.e. whether there is a survival advantage in rendering females less noticeable, at least in some species. As we know, thwarting women's power is an important part of having a stable and healthy civilization, and it appears that some cultures, through various different practices, have realized this on their own accord and have imitated (likely unknowingly) what has developed through natural processes
My own definition of the Natural Order, taken from a conversation I had a month or so ago: The main ideas, condensed as much as possible, are that 1: Evolution and natural selection are the foundation for life. 2: Mankind, as an animal, is subject to the same laws as the rest of nature. There is no room for anthropocentrism. 3: What is eugenic, is considered 'good' for the evolution of the human race. What is dysgenic, is 'bad' for the evolution of the race. 4: Therefore, to be aligned with the Natural Order, means to constantly strive for improvement, for self and for all mankind.
>>3855 So basically, what is eugenic is what makes humanity more vigorous, healthy and strong. The real question is whether this is referring to a group sense or an individual sense (i.e. each person becoming stronger, or as a collective). When it terms of 'might is right', it seems to come down to the strength of well-organized collectives rather than the strength of a individual people, though of course this is not to say that the one does not contribute to the well-being of the other. The transformation of the individual human into a dependent, sickly weakling is of course never desirable.

Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Mein Führer Blackshirt 04/20/2021 (Tue) 04:00:06 ID:645ae6 No. 3008 [Reply] [Last]
ITT we pay our respects to one of the greatest men of the White race. Heil Hitler.
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Спасибо за попытку освободить мир от марксистской и большевистской заразы дедушка Ади!
Happy Birthday Hitler! God bless you and Sieg Heil!
Alles Gute zum Gerburtstag Mein Führer. Wir werden Sie nie vergessen.

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Gotz Aly and the economical narrative against NatSoc Blackshirt 04/19/2021 (Mon) 22:49:53 ID:e7c9f8 No. 2993 [Reply] [Last]
Gotz Aly (image attach) is regard as one of the most important historians surrounding Hitler's economical motivations for invading Poland, been the economical breakdown because of socialism and therefore the transferring of debt to conquer nations along with the pillaged of their wealth. - This is one of the most common rationalisation of the issue by "scholars". What are the faults of this argument?
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>>3001 I don't deny any of those facts. But considering the mayor gains that Hitler already obtained through diplomatic ties with Chamberlain, it seems too illogical to push the risk of war against Britain and their allies.
>>3003 Basically, Hitler had nothing to gain from waiting any longer to act. They key thing here is the balance of the arms race. Even in 1939 Germany was still far behind the Allies when it came the balance of arms. They were simply outgunned and had inferior industrial capacity, especially when the US was included in the picture. The longer Germany waited, the greater the gap would become, even if Germany itself was already making big strides. And this is of course exactly what happened. Part of this problem would have been solved if Russia would have been subdued properly, as Germany would then have access to huge amounts of land, men and resources that would help to offset the balance, not to mention the other occupied territories. Occupying them did keep Germany afloat longer, but it wasn't enough. This is essentially part of the argument put forward by Adam Tooze in his book 'The Wages of Destruction', where he talks of a 'strategic window of opportunity' .Lend lease didn't help, but America actually entering the war sealed Hitler's fate. If Hitler had been more ruthless in the beginning at Dunkirk and in bombing Britain, and if America had somehow been kept out of the war, winning may have been more possible. And ultimately, it was the (((Allies))) who decided to start a world war over Poland. Mosley was right when he said years after the war that they should have just let Germany take back Danzig, the rest of their lands and expand into Russia and defeat the Bolshevik menace. And then there is the question of whether Hitler could have continued to truly ignore the plight of his Volk in Poland for much longer given what was happening.
>>2997 >>3004 One of the points that makes no sense to me in this "economic argue", is the point of NatSoc Germany asking for loans for "economic miracles" considering the weimar financial crisis, the total devaluation of the Reichmark, the anti-german blockade and the jewish-controlled international banking system. How Hitler could even apply for a loan in that scenario?
>>2993 The "argument" that the Germans invaded Poland, the USSR, ect because they needed to steal shit in order to fund their government programs is one the most retarded, and ignorant things I think have ever heard about history. And the fact that so many "scholars" and "historians" shill the "theory" without even a hint of irony just shows how much critical thought exists in modern academia. Imagine unironically thinking that you can fuel a modern industrial nation, and army through stealing furniture, paintings, gold teeth, and other miscellaneous garbage from neighboring countries, like some stereotypical Visigoths of yore. Or thinking that Germany was just going to magically collapse by enacting very similar economic policies to the U.S, and Britain, because some hysterical, jewish, ideologue shrieks at the notion that any economy could function without the chosen people's parasitism. No, you can't fund a modern army of millions who all need food, ammunition, transportation, medication, ect by looting banks, and stealing gold teeth, let alone keep your entire country going off of plunder. The second world war was a net drain on the German economy from beginning to end, it turns out that sending your workforce to die in the millions, burning through your reserves of food, metals, rubber, and fossil fuels in a venture that generate no immediate economic growth, and having enemy bombers turn your farms, factories, villages, towns, and cities into burnt out ruins actually puts strain on your economy, rather than saving it. Turns out that truly failing and dysfunctional society's can't sustain their economies, yet alone pursue the most costly, and logistically straining action a nation can undertake. When Roman society was collapsing, they did not invade new lands and steal pots, and textiles from barbarian tribes to fund their legions. The USSR didn't try save themselves from economic ruin by expanding, they abandoned their longstanding policy of kick-starting revolutions and coups in minerally wealthy third world countries, turned inward to try and deal with their internal problems, and then fell apart due to internal strife. When nations undergo depression, and economic turmoil, they do not expand, they do not create great empires, they do not conquer, they suffer internal strife until the state stabilizes the situation, or collapses, and is replaced. Now the Germans did harvest raw material "timber, oil, coal, rubber, metals" in the territories they conquered. But this was never profitable, it never offset the staggering cost of invading those countries in the first place, and such resources were mostly just fed into the war machine, to keep it going without exhausting Germany's meager natural resources too fast. The war was never profitable, and the German economy was perfectly stable before the war. And this policy is pretty much completely unrelated to the jewish propaganda bullshit, that the Germans needed to steal jew gold, in order to pay for their social programs. Which is so retarded on so many levels, I'm amazed the idea is taken seriously by anyone, even in the degenerate society we live in. The fact is that the Germans fought against the world's juggernauts, Great Britain, the United States, and the USSR, who all had vastly more natural resources, larger populations, and vastly larger industrial capacity, and still managed to persevere so long against such overwhelming odds, holding on as they were isolated from the rest of the world, and bombed into oblivion. The very fact that they did last so long, that they weren't just a footnote, that they still inspire such fear, and hatred in the hearts of the enemies of our people, goes on to show the true resilience, and genius of the National Socialist economic system "and of the German people themselves" not it's faults. Tell me with a straight face that a failing economy is going to fund itself with jew gold, and French paintings while it's lifeblood is drained away, and it's natural resources are basically thrown into a giant hole. They fought to protect their people, and secure their nation's long term interests. As explained by these anon's posts. >>2997 >>3004 It was never about the economy, but instead the war was about national, and racial survival.
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>>3017 >It was never about the economy, but instead the war was about national, and racial survival. Yes, of course ultimately that was fundamental. That is why kikes struggle to understand the strategies and thinking of the Third Reich so often, because they are viewing it from a solely economic perspective. Economic issues of course play into the issue of racial survival, so when I was appealing to economic explanations at points in my posts, it should always be kept in mind that said explanations are only relevant in relation to the issue of racial / national survival

The Joy Of Mechanical Force - Futurism General Blackshirt 03/21/2021 (Sun) 23:29:33 ID:43560e No. 273 [Reply] [Last]
BE A CHEMICAL REACTIONARY Does anyone remember a few years ago when the Bagger 288 became a meme? I came across it, and it turns out that it was built by Krupp, the same Krupp that gave Uncle all of his Tanks, Ships, and AA guns. Investigating the matter further, we discover that it was the far right that gave the world dozens of the innovations we take for granted today: >A far-righter named Henry Ford gave the world the automobile and assembly line. >A far-righter named Konrad Zuse made the world's first programmable computer. >A far-righter named Otto Ambros was the best chemist in the third reich and invented a new type of rubber. >A far-righter named Werner Heisenberg discovered quantum mechanics. >Two far-righters named Francis Crick and James Watson discovered the structure of DNA. >A far-righter named Wernher Von Braun got us to the moon. >A far righter named William Shockley put the sillicon in the valley. >Pierce himself interned at Los Alamos, got a PhD in Physics, and lead an R&D team at Pratt & Whitney.

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>>2704 Well you should continue and not listen to some of the retards who cry nay. Anything that can help us our revolution would be great, although if you feel there will be subversion or it would be waste of time while learning it, then give up or find a way around it.
>>2703 >there's no purpose for this thread for it hasn't been very "scientific" in the first place other than back and forth arguments The thread keeps getting derailed by people arguing against technology in one form or another. That's fine, but it would be more fruitful to keep that to an anti-technology thread, or a thread specifically about debating the merits of technology. Right now it's like having a thread about paganism and getting spammed nonstop by christcucks. >Yeah I'm doubting that, it's not inevitable The use of science and engineering is inevitable or you will be crushed by other civilizations who wield it. This seems obvious enough, and has already been discussed. National Socialist Germany also utilized science and engineering. >Most of the nimrods here are just NEETs and /fascist/ already discourage anyone from getting a degree or some form of knowledge and experience on how to use vital technology against the jew A lot of people here have advanced knowledge of technology. We have engineers, architects, programmers, networking specialists, system admins, and even the occassional people in academia doing research.
>>2707 >A lot of people here have advanced knowledge of technology. We have engineers, architects, programmers, networking specialists, system admins, and even the occassional people in academia doing research. I know this is going to sound glowie, but can you confirm this indirectly or in a way that proves that there are people in our field who understands this.
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>>2691 I've never liked Futurism either, really. I have always felt that Romanticism as an art movement was always truer to Fascism, but perhaps I say this because of my own leanings towards Nature, anti-Industrialism and paganism, all of which are associated in greater or lesser degrees with Romanticism. Romanticism also has close associations with the awakening of nationalism in Europe, particularly of the Völkisch variety, and of course study into the past of one's nation, and its folklore.
>>2712 Not sure how it could be proven. But lurking over the years there are people who claimed to be professionals in these fields and discussed the topics in credible enough ways to seem likely. I'm a programmer and have seen a good amount of detailed discussion about computer science and IT related topics. It's not like it's a super power to have one of these careers you just need an above average IQ and/or a good work/study ethic.

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/es/ General II Blackshirt 03/15/2021 (Mon) 19:08:09 ID:097322 No. 29 [Reply] [Last]
ES Hilo para la discusión de sujetos pertinentes a Iberia e Iberoamericana.
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You guys spics?
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>>1193 Millions of Whites speak Spanish natively, anon
>>1193 No habla inglés, Mayate
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Lots of based brothers in Spain I see these days. Keep up the good fight!
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>>1193 No, those are the Integralists.


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