>>1873 There’s likely some supernatural occurences going on for sure at Mount Athos. This is not surprising given the fact that they are living in isolation from (((modernity))) and its traps, which allows them to achieve great spiritual growth, no doubt. With the practice of hesychasm and the experience of a sort of inner “uncreated light” within, we can find many parallels across the world, and talk of things such as the self/atman as “the light in the heart” in the many Upanishads, in the Yoga-sutra we are told to concencrate on ““the supreme, ever-blissful Light within.” Very similar things are described in Buddhism if I recall correctly too. They are engaging in advanced yogic techniques unknown to themselves, and likely do make *some* progress. Theoria or contemplation of God with the goal of direct insight comes directly from Neoplatonism as well, if not further back. They are still mixing up everything with jew-worship at the end of the day, though. When they have mystical experiences they’re likely transcending the demon Yahweh even though they view the experiences through a Christian lens. Perhaps we should look at what the Bhagavad Gita says on this matter: 7.21-23 <“Whoever has the wish to worship whatever god-form faithfully, it is I who truly grant him a faith that is immovable” <“Yoked in this faith, the devotee desires to propitiate that god for answering the prayers which were granted by Me only!” <“Fleeting are the results for those who are weak in understanding. God worshippers go to the gods; My devotees attain Me truly.” How much more lofty and self-assured than Yahweh!

>>1772 Any talk about the religiousness of Hitler is worthless with people who don't understand the status religion had in the German speaking countries in Europe during his lifetime. Modern Germany was both an original center of the Renaissance(with had a huge boner for Classical Antiquity), but also home to German Romanticism(which had a huge boner for the Medieval Period). It was both a center for the Enlightenment(Secularism) movement, but also had a strong Counter-Enlightenment movement(a Christian Revival in which even the protestant Prussian Kings gave money to restore catholic churches in their kingdom). German customs from Antiquity gave birth to the Divine Right of Kings(the King decides the religion of his Kingdom), but it was also divided between Catholicism(Pro Rome) and Protestantism(Pro Nationalism) thanks to the Reformation started by Martin Luther. Between 1700-1900, a German would be baptized at birth and go to church school on Sunday for his Confirmation. In the week a young German would go to school and later university, in which teachers and professors would praise Classical Antiquity. All while living in a strong secular country, in which the King/Emperor is also the supreme leader of the local church. All in all Germans were similar to the Japanese. They followed religion out of their reverence for tradition and because they recognized the importance of the religious rituals for the cohesion of society, but in their professional and private life it didn't play a high role that dominated their thinking because of their good education. Meanwhile on the political level religion was a question of power and bowed to the concept of Realpolitik. Hitler tried to unify all the German speaking territories in Europe into one single nation. To do that he had to show both respect to tradition(be it christian or pagan), while he also had to replace and destroy it where it was in the way of unity.

>>1871 >Not in Europe exactly. Even during the medieval era Europe has been less reluctant to become lifeless despite the conversions,... Several parts of Europe did suffer from desertification from the late medieval period to the late modern period. Those places were only re cultivated in the 19th century with the help of steam plows.

>>1900 Yeah, but it's not as bad as it was and is within the Middle East, which was said to be filled with vegetation and pretty green before Judaism and semitic cults took over. Although can you give me a couple examples of desertification before the industrial era?

>>1907 >Although can you give me a couple examples of desertification before the industrial era? Biggest one I know was the Lüneburger Heide in North Germany, which covered almost the entire principality of Lüneburg. They cut all the trees down, so the salt producers could boil saltwater. Back then salt was really expensive. Farming before the introduction of the three-field system then gave the ground the rest and it couldn't support the most common crops anymore. When nothing would grow anymore, the farmers would change to become goat and sheep herders, which basically prevented nature from regenerating because the goats and sheep would eat all the plant saplings that could do that. The result is a landscape like in the painting I have posted. When salt became a common good, the people in Lüneburg turned into the poorhouse of Germany and that only changed when the potato was introduced and steam plows were able to dig up deeper ground. In English these type of landscape are called Heathland and wherever you find them, they are usually the result of deforestation by humans.

>>1956 >Biggest one I know was the Lüneburger Heide in North Germany, which covered almost the entire principality of Lüneburg. They cut all the trees down, so the salt producers could boil saltwater. I was more-so expecting there to be some form of real life symbolism that Abrahamicism wherever it infects makes life turn lifeless. What you're talking about is more-so the issue wrong with agriculture and civilization as a whole.

>>1907 The Middle East has a different climate than Europe. I don't think Europe could ever be turned into a literal desert in the way the Middle East today is. It was greener there in the past but there were still deserts as well. Just look in the Bible, the jews were still shown as wandering around the desert in Exodus. If anything, the real cancer the jews spread is anything artificial and connected with (((civilization)))

Got caught up in a minor argument with a Christian online, and he kept saying "god is real bro" even though I never said I was an atheist or didn't believe in god...how can you even argue with these people?

>>2018 >how can you even argue with these people? You can't. They are insane due to the Abrahamic software that has been installed in their heads. Most of them operate off a very simplistic way of thinking too - either Christianity versus atheism, or Christianity versus Satanism depending on the topic. If one makes progress with a Christcuck, he'll inevitably sink back into feels and dismiss the point. I've seen this IRL a lot. The guy you argued with probably thinks 'if God exists, it's necessarily the God of the Bible', therefore repeating "god is real bro" is just saying that Christianity is true, because reasons. What were you arguing about?

>>2019 I was trying to explain that Christianity is not White or European as a rule and is in fact anti-White.

>>2020 Unfortunately this can be quite the hard redpill to swallow when they’re on the inside, I would imagine.

Has Christianity just been one giant cuck cult for control and humiliation? Be honest with me as well and provide direct evidence for my question.

Does the constant shitting on Babylon by abrahamites have any merit? Like, is there any legit archaeological evidence that Babylon was the degenerate late-stage clusterfuck the Torah says it was?

>>2025 >Has Christianity just been one giant cuck cult for control and humiliation? Be honest with me as well and provide direct evidence for my question. Yes, it has been. Christianity is a form of malware that the jews introduced into the Europe psyche, and we have been dealing with the negative side-effects for two millennia now. We just have to look at what Jesus himself preached to see what he wanted for people— >division and chaos (Matthew 10:34-36) >non-resistance to evil (Matthew 5:39) >cucking to the state (Matthew 22:17-21) >not planning for future events (Matthew 6:25-34) There are more that could be listed, but I think you get the basic point. If a society followed these guidelines it would go extinct, period. Being a doormat does not save the White race. Christcucks will cope and say that Christianity used to be “based” in the past, but this was because it was not true to itself, and those at the very top knew that this was an unworkable system. When Christianity got close to the seat of power it very rapidly morphed from being a seemingly meek sect of Judaism, into a tyrannical anti-European organization which would slaughter and persecute Europeans for centuries in the name of a jewish war god. Very quickly “resist not evil” became Constantine’s “in hoc signo vinces” (In this sign you shall conquer). Following this the Semiticization of the European mind progressed slowly and native pagan traditions that we had been practicing for millennia beforehand were gradually stamped out, our temples destroyed or converted into churches and ancient works burned, and statues smashed, and sacred groves chopped down. Christianity then gradually spread like a cancer from the Mediterranean and was astroturfed to other European kings, often through very convenient marital alliances or being converted by the wife of a king. Clovis I’s wife was a Christian woman Clotilde, Vladimir the Great of Kievan Rus converted to marry Anna, Æthelberht of Kent’s wife was Christian and he also converted by her. King Mirian III of George was converted by his Christian wife Nana. There are likely many, many more examples. Christianity was spread through women to kings, and was always thought of as a religion for women by pagans for this reason. In many of these cases, as soon as the king had become infected with the Semitic malware, he set about mass-converting everyone who lived under his reign. Vladimir the Great did just this, as is related in the Primary Chronicle: <Thereafter Vladimir sent heralds throughout the whole city to proclaim that if any inhabitants, rich or poor, did not betake himself to the river, he would risk the Prince's displeasure. https://archive.org/details/the-russian-primary-chronicle What we see here is top-down social engineering by elites working for a universalist, Semitic ideology and forcing it onto our people, just as the governments of today do when forcing trannies, homos and mudmen down our throats—the gods of (((modernity))) With just the conversion of key elites massive amounts of people could be converted to this Semitic religion and made to destroy their temples, sacred places and heritage.

>>2027 We do have a statement in Herodotus’ Histories which he talks about and seems to find degenerate: >The foulest Babylonian custom is that which compels every woman of the land to sit in the temple of Aphrodite and have intercourse with some stranger at least once in her life. Many women who are rich and proud and disdain to mingle with the rest, drive to the temple in covered carriages drawn by teams, and stand there with a great retinue of attendants. But most sit down in the sacred plot of Aphrodite, with crowns of cord on their heads; there is a great multitude of women coming and going; passages marked by line run every way through the crowd, by which the men pass and make their choice. Once a woman has taken her place there, she does not go away to her home before some stranger has cast money into her lap, and had intercourse with her outside the temple; but while he casts the money, he must say, "I invite you in the name of Mylitta". It does not matter what sum the money is; the woman will never refuse, for that would be a sin, the money being by this act made sacred. So she follows the first man who casts it and rejects no one. After their intercourse, having discharged her sacred duty to the goddess, she goes away to her home; and thereafter there is no bribe however great that will get her. So then the women that are fair and tall are soon free to depart, but the uncomely have long to wait because they cannot fulfil the law; for some of them remain for three years, or four. There is a custom like this in some parts of Cyprus. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+1.199 This said, having read Herodotus’ work in the past, he’s fairly neutral about Babylon from what I remember except for in this passage. He spends most of the time describing its gates, the ziggurat, its huge walls and the like. If they were exceptionally degenerate he would have told us all about it, since Herodotus’ loves to report on rumors and crazy stuff of that nature. So my tentative verdict is grains of truth with copious amounts of jewish seething

What are the chances this mRNA vaccine they are pushing is actually the "FunVax" shit the pentagon was toying with in 2005 to "vaccine" people from the VMAT-2 gene? (The one responsible for "religious extremism"). Seems awfully convienient...

>>2019 >>how can you even argue with these people? You can't. They are insane due to the Abrahamic software that has been installed in their heads. Most of them operate off a very simplistic way of thinking too - either Christianity versus atheism, or Christianity versus Satanism depending on the topic. If one makes progress with a Christcuck, he'll inevitably sink back into feels and dismiss the point. I've seen this IRL a lot. The guy you argued with probably thinks 'if God exists, it's necessarily the God of the Bible', therefore repeating "god is real bro" is just saying that Christianity is true, because reasons. What were you arguing about? The closer you look at Christians and the proceed to cross examine their behaviour with brainwashed Marxists, the similarities between their behaviour becomes eerily uncanny. Emotions take total control and violence errupts towards non-believers.

>>2044 I've heard the same theory. It's certainly plausible. There was of course that one article from one of the AstroZeneca volunteers who said that "they killed God, I can't feel him anymore" after getting the vaccine. It's really impossible to know what the fuck this experimental jewish-made gene therapy will do to a person. Then again, I also have doubts about these claims. I think it's more the case of the kikes basically lobomotizing a person rather than turning off some gene that makes them stop believing in God. That sounds slightly reductionistic to me, but what do I know.

>>2019 Christianity was was subsumed by globohomo as the main religion generations ago. If you want to use the software analogy, I think its disingenuous to consider Christianity as the main program. In general, I view religion mostly as a reflection of culture, not a driver of it.

>>2540 Christianity definitely isn't the main issue nowadays at all. Like you said, leftism / globohomo overtook it in the late 19th century and early 20th century. It had become somewhat of a hindrance for the jews, therefore wherever they could they sought to eradicate it, like in the USSR. > I view religion mostly as a reflection of culture, not a driver of it. It can absolutely drive culture. Just look at the culture changes that Christianity has brought to Europe over time.

>>2550 Anything in particular you have in mind? I view the culture change more as a result of a collapsing Roman empire and the subsequent de and re-urbanization

>>2554 What you mention about the collapse of the Roman Empire's obviously a factor in some changes, but the most obvious thing here is the complete change in religion. Religion and culture mutually interact and shape one another, especially in cases of where we are talking about a new religion coming in and being imposed on a culture. With the pre-Abrahamic traditions of our ancestors there was a much tighter symbiosis between religion, culture and everyday life, but this was ruptured with Christianity, which then began to reshape aspects of native European cultures, and more slowly, the way that Europeans thought and acted.

>>2557 I'm not denying that religion creates a feedback loop to reinforce culture, but again I find it downstream of culture, which is downstream of genetics. People will act differently if they are in a dense city, or a roving tribe, or in times of war and peace. How the religion manifests or shifts is a reflection of this state of being, as opposed to the state being a reflection of the religion. I'll ask again if you have any particular examples of religion driving culture. I'm struggling to make logical connections for your argument that I find satisfying.

>>2639 How is the coming of Christianity to pagan Europe not an example of religion driving changes in culture? I definitely wouldn't say that religion is the only or even the driving force (i.e. most of the time it is downstream of culture), but it certainly can drive it in greater or lesser ways depending on circumstances. A better example might be the coming of Islam to Arabia. Their culture majorly changed due to this religion, particularly in the doing away of the practice of making statues of gods, practices like divination, frequent female infanticide, certain marriage practices like sororal polygyny, etc.

I've been reading pic related related, and it is truly amazing what goes on in the Christcuck's mind. First there is reference to God as the ultimate brute fact - fair enough - as well as a person (being with intentions, thoughts, etc) that is utterly simply, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. But then in the author's desire to make moral truly 'objective' he goes and claims that God is not the author of all morality, and that it would be literally impossible for God to command something else than what is defined as "good". It seems to me that he is setting something higher than the "ultimate brute fact". God is best seen as the ultimate expression of "might is right" Also amusing is the chapter on evil, where he discusses "natural evils" like suffering brought about by nature, and how horrible this. I've noticed Christians constantly cry about Nature and how horrible it is. Nietzsche is absolutely right here in saying that they just hate and despise life. If something like God exists, and he is the author of the Laws of Nature, what reproach do I have? They are already perfect