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Anti-Abrahamism General /aag/ Blackshirt 04/03/2021 (Sat) 17:39:05 ID:b84e53 No. 1395
This thread is for combatting and deprogramming individuals from jewish ideologies, particularly Christianity. Christianity is irreconcilable with White racial politics and National Socialism. It is necessarily universal in all respects, downplays the value of life, makes one worship a jew as their lord and savior, and worst of all preaches ethics fit for weaklings. The strong, beautiful, superior, etc are all denigrated before the jewish imposter god. It must be said that Christianity is among one the greatest enemies of racial regeneration, and cannot be viewed seperately from the problem of the JQ. I urge Christians to realize that they been deceived.
>ethics fit for weaklings. The strong, beautiful, superior, etc are all denigrated before the jewish imposter god. So basically everyone is forced to be all strong and mighty and people are born different? That isn't to say that Whites can't be together under one identity. But there's weaklings in any society. They're just born that way.
>>1406 > So basically everyone is forced to be all strong and mighty and people are born different? Both a strawman and a reductio ad absurdum in a sentence as short as this one. This anon is a special kind of schizo.
>>1408 Triggered Christcuck with no arguments. Don't bother to come back to reply, you have to worship your jew savior nailed to a cross tomorrow while your pope sells you to globohomo.
>>1418 Rather you were triggered by my mere mention of Christianity yesterday so you created this thread :^)
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Look at this, there is no way you can honestly tell me Christianity isn't literally a marxist death cult.
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>2019 christcucks not even once also christcucks: >OMG dood why dont u like my proto marxist death cult of 66 books written by jews from the desert its been soobverted and nothing else and lol Ur D&C 4 pointing this out!!!! CHRISTCUCKS ARE FUCKING RETARDS
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>>1438 Codex Theodosianus is subversion too huh? >>1435 Nope. It was the Christcuck cult's dirty semitic revenge against all pagans AKA good White people who built the first high-functional civilizations already in 312"AD" and the fall of the Roman empire happened a mere 100 years later. Codex Theodosianus is literally just like communism in 1918, redistribution(stealing) etc. I suggest your stop making excuses for it like it's some harmless baby and stop identifying yourself with the cuck religion named Christianity or take your kike vampire religion elsewhere.
>>1406 >So basically everyone is forced to be all strong and mighty and people are born different? As the other anon said, this is a complete strawman. The Bible is pure slave morality and denigrates the superior, strong, intelligent and beautiful. Yahweh does not love Aryans, he loves oppressed low-IQ mud people. It’s the exact foundation leftism is based on. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29: <But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. <God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things--and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are, <so that no one may boast before him.
>>1438 >muh subversion It literally says right in the Bible that God loves weaklings, retards and freaks to shame the strong, intelligent and those who are perfection manifestations of their potential. Jesus Christ himself taught that you should hate your family, that you should love your enemies, not plan for the future and that you should give up your cloak if someone wants to take it from you and that you should just be a complete fucking doormat. Jesus Christ was a hippie jew who hung out with whores, lepers and other vagrants and who is indistinguishable from commie gutter trash that we see today in many cities. The Bible also tells us that there are no men, no women, no jew or Greek, no free or slaves—we’re all (((one))) in Jebus. It’s so fucking embarrassing that people engage in so much cognitive dissonance and can’t realize that they are literally worshiping a jew, and that they practice a form of leftism propagated to destroy the Roman Empire
>>1449 keep seething. i knew you'd make this thread before you did. there's plenty more anti-Christian information you can post. better get back to work. i've seen most of these images before. you got anything new?
>>1453 Christianity is the prototype of Bolshevism. Marxism is secular Christianity.
>>1453 >i knew you'd make this thread before you did. Truly prescient, given the fact that this is literally a remake of a thread from Anon Cafe, newfag: https://archive.fo/D4Nxh You have no rebuttals. Christians have no rebuttals. /fascist/ is a pagan fundamentalist board, and Christians have to deal with it. Their jew-worship is not tolerated here. It is exposed. And if you don’t provide arguments, but only 4cuck-tier posts about “seething” your posts will likely be deleted in the near future and then Christcucks will cry about censorship
>>1458 i am enjoying myself immensely. i do not care to argue, i am bumping your thread and providing room for you to flesh out your arguments. your seriousness and inability to see my joking and playful nature are surprising for someone of such supposed intellectual prowess. go ahead, delete my replies, clean up the thread. Pagan Fundamentalism is the way of the White Man!
>>1459 >i do not care to argue, Leave.
>>1460 >anti-abrahamism general (AAG) enjoy your echo chamber, you haven't deprogrammed shit.
>>1459 >>1461 >deliberately comes in thread he does not like >get owned >"i was only pretending to be retarded" >non mainstream religion discussion = echo chamber We've been over this, you people never provide any argument of value, you refuse to actually reform away from this marxist jew worship by calling yourselves something else, your cultist religion sucks, all the people that are obsessed with it are women and weak idiots who literally never did anything, and don't care about their race or anything except literally waiting to die like good obedient slave goys to get sent to some place dreamt up by some jew who had his followers scheme now for at least a thousand years to categorically murder millions of Europeans who didn't agree with it. Cuckstianity has been failing us so it's not worth caring about or defending whatsoever, if you had some reflection skills you'd understand why nobody likes it. And if you're one of those retards who think for a second that your religion matters more than race you're literally just another retarded faggot. And by default that's what cuckstian hypocrites do because they live in this giant contradiction that tells them a fairy tale meanwhile they refuse to deal with human biology.
>>1459 >Pagan Fundamentalism is the way of the White Man! Yes.
>>1449 >Bible that God loves weaklings, retards and freaks to shame the strong, intelligent and those who are perfection manifestations of their potential. I understand that the strong people wouldn't like that. But in return what is the solution for all this? Extermination of said weaklings?
>>1468 Not anon, but this is a subject I've had a lot of experience with. Weaklings exterminate themselves. Even in the "equality"-based modern world, there's plenty unfit to live, physically, mentally, or emotionally, and they either give into death, or destroy that weakness and reforge themselves. I've dealt with genuine subhumans in the past, think meme-tier obese neet spiritual virgins, who, when exposed to people with a healthy attitude of self-improvement and self-mastery, actually got up and changed their lives. Weakness and strength are in many ways inherent, and they are present in many aspects and areas of a person, but the biggest measure of strength is a person's will, that alone can literally shit on every other "weakness" you may have, physical or otherwise. A system of weakness, like the "equal" modern world that encourages stagnation and mediocrity, literally smothers that personal will out of a person. Being faced with struggle and criticism might not feel good at first, but people rise up against those things, and the satisfaction when you overcome them is real.
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>>1420 >implying I am the OP >>1468 No, the solution is to help the weaklings of your own tribe exclusively and prevent more weakling from being created (Spartans did it millennia ago) via application of specific policies, aka actual eugenics, not the twisted globohomo kike version of eugenics called White Genocide. Globohomo suppresses the highest IQ functional race in favor of lower slave races, while we should be doing the opposite. The only relationships we should have with other races are commercial ones, sure as fuck we should not supposed to drain our wealth, or give our inventions and now our lands to these subhumans.
>>1468 No, how does that logically follow? All that is being pointed out is how Abrahamism strives to negate these things, things which are integral parts of life. Why do they seek to destroy everything beautiful, strong, intelligent, masculine and powerful? Abstracting away from their false religion, the obvious answers are envy and resentment, the seeds of slave morality. jewish values (esp. the ones forced onto the goyim) are inversions of natural, healthy modes of being for their opposites, thus leftists (being themselves offspring of Abrahamism) seek to affirm weakness, idiocy, degeneracy and the effeminate. I don’t mean this in a rude way, but you instantly jumping to “ah so you want to exterminate all of the weak” is itself a sign of Abrahamic thought processes. I don’t believe that we can ever have a world that will be of one type of person. Nature is ruled by inequality, differentiation and hierarchy. Within groups there are stronger and weaker elements. Women are weaker than men, and have traits that, if present in men, would be undesirable, but that doesn’t mean women should be exterminated obviously. They are valuable and integral parts of our race, and we recognize this. The Natural Order is characterized both by struggle between individuals and groups just as much as it is characterized by its opposite, i.e. harmony. Abrahamics seek monotony. Their religion itself is a monolith. They believe the good and the bad will be sorted into monotonous eternal existences of eternal suffering or eternal heaven. They believe truth can only be approached in one single way—their way. They are quite literally proto-globohomo. They are haters of life. Meanwhile we who reject this jewish creed can affirm it all, the strong, the weak, the struggle, the harmony, the suffering, the pleasure.
>>1481 >pic shows how women were treated So women should be treated like that or what? Not saying they should be stronk and independent but to be totally nigger tier towards women is just a sorry excuse for being a nigger. Also, you say how we must affirm all around us - the weak, the strong etc. How does one affirm the weak? By coddling him? What do you suggest?
>>1481 >if present in men, would be undesirable There are some feminine men I've noticed in society before. They're not gay but just feminine.
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>>1487 >pic shows how women were treated According to who? You realize that that image is a quote from a jew attacking White traditional religious beliefs and their modern revivals, don't you? It was only posted because it was funny. The jew is trying to evoke the image of the caveman. This is a classic tactic that they take. Many jews outright identify civilization with Judaism itself, as can be seen in classic pics like the one I have attached. >>1488 Still undesirable male traits regardless of whether they are fags are not.
>>1491 It looks like my ID changed. I'm still >>1481
>>1491 The guy you replied to does have a point though, just take a look through the /aag/ thread. The confusion is warranted. The first image you posted does more to describe what you mean than what you wrote, so I do understand what you're getting at.
>>1493 I guess in most cases it is natural to assume that the image one posts is directly associated with the content of the post, so you might have a point about the confusion being warranted. It also doesn't help that it's funny because it's not entirely wrong. The more masculine image of some of the pagan religions is definitely probably a selling point for some men, especially because Christianity is viewed as weak and passive in comparison. The jew of course takes it to absurd dimensions in that quote though. >>1487 >How does one affirm the weak? By coddling him? What do you suggest? Hierarchy, etc. By affirming the weak, I mean acknowledging that this exists and realizing that it is an integral part of the world that we live in more than anything else.
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>>1463 >owning le christcucks epically!!! Lol. 99% of anti christian arguments are just calling Jesus and Christiaity jewish and sharing some retard fake Christian who promotes anti racism /faggotry /whatever >>1454 Considering this claim was started by lolberts who think that the Bible saying "pay taxes" is communism, I'll take that with a grain of salt >>1439 jews of the Bible are the same of the jews of today Nice indirect shilling of Zionism. Bet you think that American Indians and Indians are the same because they are both called Indians >Religion above race Ironically, most pagans shove away Christians with their "hurr you can't be Fascist and a Christian" nonsense talk. Plus they put their pagan pseudo religion above not splitting the Fascist movement yet again for useless shit. Fascist Christians never feel the need to split the movement again, so why do pagans? Is it ignorance or cunning? The "weak are superior" argument is the one shipped by atheist neoliberals. To be in a state of innocence and the "right path" are two different things. The model path of a Christian is a spiritual one who makes the most productive time of his life on earth, preventing decay from taking hold. >Christianity was created by jews to destroy the Roman Empire Sure, 12 dudes used magic powers to predict that Constantine would adopt Christianity as the religion, which somehow inflated the dinarii , made roman politics a mess and crushed the military by lack of finance-somehow, so they all went forward and risked death.... In order to die for a fairy tale they supposedly made up >No judean, no Greek etc This is why you have a distinction between nation and religion. If Europe turned norse pagan and Odin said that there is no German, there is no Sweden for you are all brave in Valhalla, is that a promotion of equality? >Oh he hung out with whores and tax evaders And what did he do to them? Did he 'tolerate' them? No, he changed them and made them normal and morally healthy. And fuck off with your retarded images we both know how dishonest it is. Pic rel
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>>1553 >Considering this claim was started by lolberts who think that the Bible saying "pay taxes" is communism, I'll take that with a grain of salt Christianity dishonesty on full-on display here, especially since in Acts 4:32-35 we see literally communism being practiced: <Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. <33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. <34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold <35 and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. People long before lolberts pointed out the numerous and undeniable similarities between communists and Christians, among them Nietzsche and Hitler himself. In truth, it has very, very little to do with 'render unto Caesar'. >jews of the Bible are the same of the jews of today >Nice indirect shilling of Zionism. Bet you think that American Indians and Indians are the same because they are both called Indians "We're duh reel jooz, and if you call jews jews, you're a joo!" Shut the fuck up, faggot. Kikes have been pulling this shit for millennia, it's shown all over your Bible and has been extremely well-documented by Alfred Rosenberg in his work 'The Track of the jew Through the Ages'. Stop coping. Jesus a full-blown kike. This doesn't even imply Zionism either unless you believe that people are entitled to a land by mere fact of existing - which they're not. Might is right here. >Ironically, most pagans shove away Christians with their "hurr you can't be Fascist and a Christian" nonsense talk. You can't. Them turning away from Fascism just shows that they prioritize their branch of Judaism above racial survival. >Plus they put their pagan pseudo religion above not splitting the Fascist movement yet again for useless shit. You only think it is "useless" because your ilk are the ones being targeted. Christians have proven themselves to be a subversive, anti-White force time and time again, both historically and today.
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>>1553 >Sure, 12 dudes used magic powers to predict that Constantine would adopt Christianity as the religion, which somehow inflated the dinarii , made roman politics a mess and crushed the military by lack of finance-somehow, so they all went forward and risked death.... In order to die for a fairy tale they supposedly made up Jesus was yet another jewish messiah claimaint, and his movement was hijacked by the jew Saul of Tarsus and used for his own purpose. Paul was trained under the rabbi Gamaliel and was a literal Pharisee agent. The entire Christian versus jew conflict is not based on race at all, it's all about whether one accepts some jewish hippie as a messiah or not. jewish infighting. There were multiple jewish sects in the time of Jesus. Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, etc. It was subversion and it got to the heights of power and was imposed on Europe from the top-down. The non-White world was eventually colonized, but all of Europe was the first victim of colonial subversion from a jewish religion in Rome. jews were already widespread in the Roman Empire and able to organize. Even in the ancient world the jews of the Roman Empire and beyond were networked tightly together by living along trade routes and the major cities of the Empire. Nearly 40% of Alexandria population – a major ancient city – was jewish in Roman times. Many jews lived in Rome itself. Even before the change over from BC to AD jews ringed the entire Mediterranean Sea. Rosenberg quotes a jewish historian: >after a few centuries", as the jewish historian Herzfeld reports, "and in general without any visible compulsion from outside, the jews were settled in all terrains from Media to Rome, from Pontus to the Persian Gulf, from Macedonia to Ethiopia, and in this enormous range of countries there was no significant commercial city in which jews were not represented". So here we see that jews formed a web over the core of the Aryan gentile world – Rome and beyond – even in antiquity. Already jewish influence was spreading among gentiles, the so called “Yirei Hashem” – the God-fearers seen in Acts. They weren’t full converts though, because they couldn’t adopt jewish law or were unwilling due to things such as circumcision and kosher laws. Paul overthrew i all. He wanted the goyim to convert and with as much ease as possible. He was the so-called “Apostle to the Gentiles” after all! >This is why you have a distinction between nation and religion. If Europe turned norse pagan and Odin said that there is no German, there is no Sweden for you are all brave in Valhalla, is that a promotion of equality? Yes. >And what did he do to them? Did he 'tolerate' them? No, he changed them and made them normal and morally healthy. "Normal and morally healthy" lol
Thank Bhaga that I am not a norse pagan and my beliefs are too esoteric for faggots to latch on to.
>>1580 No attempt to cause discord and division of course. I just find it sad that queers are trying to subvert Nordo-Celtic culture and religion.
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>>1581 >>1580 The internet creates little pockets of mental illness and degeneracy all over the place. The fact that the jews are turning the gods into comic book characters and action figures doesn't help matters. On top of this New Age faggots and Wicca-shit really taints the image of paganism in the minds of some. Paganism among Europeans is still developing though. Still being reborrn. We should not pay the subverters and freaks much heed. They should be shunned and exposed though.
>>1395 This thread is pretty kike'd. Plenty of Christians are redpilled on the JQ. Hitler himself claimed to be Catholic several times.
>>1594 >Hitler himself claimed to be Catholic several times In public, to manipulate the simple minded into voting to save their own hides for once. In private, no. Lurk more, simple minded tourist.
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>>1594 >This thread is pretty kike'd. Says the jew worshiper. >Plenty of Christians are redpilled on the JQ. Christian anti-Judaism =/= biological anti-semitism. Christians believe that if you baptize a jew he’ll magically become a “brother in Christ”. Same with niggers and spics too of course. Galatians 3:28, etc. >Hitler himself claimed to be Catholic several times. Hitler was most assuredly not a Christian. The proof can be found in Table Talk, and even if one for some retarded reason i.e. cope rejects Table Talk’s legitimacy, the writings of many of Hitler’s closest associates make rather matter-of-fact remarks concerning Hitler’s hostility to Christianity: Christa Schroeder, secretary to Hitler: <“The Church was always a favourite topic. Hitler had no affiliation. He considered the Christian religion to be a hypocritical trap which had outlived its time. His religion was the Law of Nature.” August Kubizek, friend of Hitler: <“He could not imagine for himself a finer existence than that lived by these radiant heroes of early German history. He identified himself with the great men of this vanished epoch. Nothing appeared more worthy of the struggle than a life like theirs, full of brave acts of great consequence, the most heroic life possible, and from there to enter Valhalla and so become an immortal of myth, joining those already present whom he so venerated. This strange, romantic perspective of Hitler’s thinking should not be overlooked. In a world of harsh political reality, the tendency will be to reject these youthful musings as fantasies, but the fact remains, despite everything at this time of his life, that Adolf Hitler’s personality dwelt only in the truly pious beliefs to which the German heroic sagas had introduced him.” Inside The Third Reich Memoirs by Albert Speer Chief Architect <"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us, then Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness" Otto Dietrich Chief press secretary - The Hitler I knew Memoirs of the Third Reich's Press Chief <He was sharply hostile to christianity and the churches. Primitive Christianity he declared, was the 'first jewish-communistic cell' Hitler was convinced that Christianity was out-molded and dying. He thought he could speed its death by systematic education of German youth" And on top of all of this, why, in a country that was over 95% Christian at the time, was Hitler so utterly surrounded by pagans? Rosenberg, Bormann, Himmler. Before 1933 the Ludendorffs, etc. Hitler also personally donated large sums of money to a Nietzsche museum and there are photos of him standing for pictures in front of the bust. Nietzsche was an extreme anti-Christian. STOP INSULTING HITLER BY ASSOCIATING HIM WITH PROTO-BOLSHEVISM
>>1598 Announcing you're a shitskin, then?
>>1598 Fuck off back to /pol/, newfag. Christians are not welcome on /fascist/. We don’t tolerate jews of any variety
>>1604 >says the newfag coming into an pre-existing community and crying about his rabbi
>>1606 What is more important for each point: >your religion or your race? >a White Europe or a Christian Europe? >marrying your daughter to a Christian regardless of race or a White pagan / atheist No pilpuling us :^)
>>1608 >1)The truth Translated from Hebrew: “not my race, Christianity”
>>1609 Not sure why my ID is changing back and forth, but I’m not doing it on purpose, see >>1492
>>1611 Yup, just what I expected you to say.
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>>1597 >jew worshipper Jesus was killed for preaching against the jews of his time. jews hate Jesus. >Christians believe that if you baptize a jew he’ll magically become a “brother in Christ” These are jews who have denounced their jewry. Even Hitler and Mussolini accepted some jews, as they had turned their backs on jewry. Your reasons given for Hitler not being Christian are mainly based on what others said, including Bormann, the spy. Hitler pushed a Positive Christianity and claimed to be a Catholic several times. This is a fact that you jew infiltrators hate. Many officers even wore the phrase "God with us" on their belts.
>>1613 >These are jews who have denounced their jewry. LITERALLY DEFENDING “GOOD JEWS” >Jesus was killed for preaching against the jews of his time. jews hate Jesus. In Jesus' time there were many, many sects of jews, and not all of them agreed on everything. We had Sadducees, Pharisees and Essenes. Essenes were an ascetic jewish community living out at Qumran. They hated the Temple Judaism of the Pharisees and Sadducees just like Jesus. Christians will pretend that Pharisees = jews, period, and not Jesus, Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes = jews. These other jews were jewish supremacists just as much as the other ones today. Some jews hated jews and then declared “ur not reel jooz, we are!”. Christianity is this LARP going on 2,000 years later Jesus didn’t fulfill the jews prophecies about the Messiah (didn’t bring jews back to Israel, didn’t establish NWO in Jerusalem, didn’t destroy and enslave goyim, etc), therefore they rejected him and weaponized this hippie’s teachings for the goyim. As far back as Nietzsche people have realized the trickery of the jews when it comes to “”hating”” Jesus >Your reasons given for Hitler not being Christian are mainly based on what others said, including Bormann, the spy. No proof of the Bormann claims, regardless I gave you four different sources essentially saying the same thing, and I could probably bump it up to five or six if I really tried with Goebbels’ quotes saying the same thing about Christianity from Hitler. These are completely legitimate sources, and there is no reason why they would be lying about this matter. The fact of the matter is that Hitler’s racial nationalism and views of Darwinian struggle and this-worldly affirmations are simply not Christian. It’s as clear as day. >Hitler pushed a Positive Christianity and claimed to be a Catholic several times. Positive Christianity was a complete and utter failure. And people have already BTFO the Catholic claims, as seen here: >>1596. You should be ashamed to even dare to associate Hitler with the pedophiles in the Vatican. >Many officers even wore the phrase "God with us" on their belts. And here we see a Christtard thinking they have a monopoly on God. No one claims Hitler was an atheist.
>>1574 Not anon, but I'd like to note that >no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common We see what this was actually organized as in the Didache. Landowners and householders were expected to offer lodging and food to any christian in need, but this had to be in exchange for work. Specialized trades and crafts were recommended, but if not available, any sort of labor around the estate or on various chores could be substituted, with the bottom line being that <But if he wish to settle with you, being a craftsman, let him work, and so eat; but if he know not any craft, provide ye according to your own discretion, that a Christian may not live idle among you; but if he be not willing to do so, he is a trafficker in Christ. From such keep aloof. Christians were absolutely forbidden from staying idle. To live was to work, to do, and these arrangements in many ways prefigure Fascist triumphs like the Iron Guard's work camps.
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>>1574 >collective sharing among a small group of people is not communism. Is your family communist. >Were the real jews Why do you lot keep claiming that we're larping as jews? The claim here is that the judeans of the past were White, just like the ancient Egyptians and Greeks >Well documented How? >Turning away from fascism The same would be the case for bluepilled pagans if I told them that their religion isn't compatible with Fascism. >Christianity is subversive >Being subverted is the same as subverting Paul was a rabid anti Christian before he turned Christian, his goals weren't prioritising conversion to Judaism but to Christianity, especially since the converts weee looked down upon >>1597 >Book literally edited by a French atheist new conman but is somehow gospel in the minds of pagans because NS has to be pagan no matter what. >Surrounded by pagans Of all the people of the NSDAP high command, only 3 are pagans. >Nietzsche He was also a major judeophile, I don't think hitler had to agree with absolutely everything he said in order to donate to his museum. >>1607 Definitely race. Pagan retardation can be fixed but a broken race cannot. >Converts As jews and niggers are not human, they do not recieve salvation. >Quotes Surprisingly this is the first time I heard of any of these. Could you provide the sources? >To manipulate votes >Hitler lied to the people
>>1620 >Why do you lot keep claiming that we're larping as jews? Because you are. I love how you post 6 christians larping as pagans to be "different" rather than actual Aryanists. >The claim here is that the judeans of the past were White, just like the ancient Egyptians and Greeks And that claim is absolutely false, the Ancient Egyptians were not White or rather Nordic beyond a ruling class, that is the extent of the evidence. The same is true of the Greeks who were originally conquerors of the existent people there in the Grecian peninsula and nearby islands, the first iteration of which miscegenated out of existence, only to eventually be conquered by another tribe of these same Nordic men. The Judeans were always what we now call jews, because prior to modernity the name of a Nation was the name of a people, and as such the reason we call jews, well jews is because that is how the name Judean changed over about 1600 years, and they were always semitic, like the majority of Egypt then and now. >How? Go read the book. >The same would be the case for bluepilled pagans if I told them that their religion isn't compatible with Fascism. \Those people are christians they follow christian morality, good riddance to them and you. >Paul was a rabid anti Christian before he turned Christian, his goals weren't prioritising conversion to Judaism but to Christianity, especially since the converts weee looked down upon Paul was a jew who was a student of a Talmudic Scholar who has a very special title to this day, Rabban meaning Our Master, he actually told his fellow jews to be kind to christains and let the "apostles" live, perhaps because He, Mark and Paul had already worked out how Marks creation(jewsus) could be used as a very potent weapon against the goyim. >Of all the people of the NSDAP high command, only 3 are pagans. They all were Pagans from Hitler on down by the very definition of the word, Goebbels, next in line to be fuhrer, was Anti-christian as well unless you somehow doubt the authenticity of his diaries >He was also a major judeophile, I don't think hitler had to agree with absolutely everything he said in order to donate to his museum. That was because he admired their survival strategy, and objectively speaking it is a marvelous strategy, and he viewed needless hate against anyone as ressentiment, if he were alive today he'd probably be an Ethnoglobalist or as the majority of the NS scene now calls it TOTAL ARYAN VICTORY.
>>1623 >he viewed needless hate against anyone as ressentment >if he were alive today he'd probably be an Ethnoglobalist what
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>>1619 Yes, this is a traditionally Christian concept, but one could just as easily point out how Marxists have celebrated the same idea in developing the idea of 'proto-Bolshevism': <The socialist principle, "He who does not work shall not eat", is already realized; the other socialist principle, "An equal amount of products for an equal amount of labor", is also already realized. But this is not yet communism, and it does not yet abolish "bourgeois law", which gives unequal individuals, in return for unequal (really unequal) amounts of labor, equal amounts of products. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s3 To be honest though, this is less of a principle I necessarily disagree with. The Iron Guard's camps were great ideas too.
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>>1620 >Why do you lot keep claiming that we're larping as jews? Because you are. Christianity is a mutant strain of Judaism, you worship a jew as the messiah (i.e. Christ), you worship a Semitic volcano god as the creator of the universe and every single book of the New Testament and Old Testament are written by jewish hands. Don't give us this 'Judean' crap. '''The English word jew is directly descended from Latin 'iudaeus'. If you reborrow an older form of a word that doesn't mean that we're magically talking about different things all of the sudden. >The claim here is that the judeans of the past were White jews are not White and have never been White. All jews alive today can be directly linked with where they came from, and not just in Europe, but in other populations as well such as Yemeni jews, Iraqi jews, etc. >Well documented >How? Rosenberg shows that from the beginning of time - yes, even in your precious Bible, that jews have always been jewing. The image I have attached regarding jewish world domination should make this very clear, though Rosenberg does not go as far as this in his book. >Paul was a rabid anti Christian before he turned Christian, his goals weren't prioritising conversion to Judaism but to Christianity, especially since the converts weee looked down upon Paul never used the word 'Christian'. He understood himself as a jew. His goals were to convert as many goyim as possible to this new strain of Judaism for whatever reasons he had. Already jewish influence was infecting the gentiles in this period of the Roman Empire, but the main problems preventing pagans from converting was jewish law, esp. circumcision and dietary restrictions. Paul went about to say that none of it mattered, and that gentiles could be turned into jews as well. Paul had a subjective experience that no one else could witness and then magically declared himself "Apostle to the Gentiles". Having been taught by the leading rabbi of his day Gamaliel it is only nature to assume that Paul was working to subvert Europeans, especially given the tensions between Rome and the jews during this time. His plot was highly successful. >Of all the people of the NSDAP high command, only 3 are pagans. That is extremely significant given when and where this happened. Plus you neglect Hitler himself, undoubtedly. >He was also a major judeophile, Nietzsche admired the jews for their intelligence and refusal to be written out of history despite multiple attempts to achieve this. However, he saw the attendant culture generated by the jews as a product of their struggle to survive necessarily a reflection of a people brought low. Not something to aspire to. Nietzsche admired the health, beauty, physical prowess lionised by of those living with Master Morality, considered those things as desirable as they said "Yes" to the world rather than the jewish and, by way of inheritance, the Christian (the apotheosis of jewishness) "No". >Quotes The authors are from the people quoted themselves - Schroeder: <He Was My Chief: The Memoirs of Adolf Hitler's Secretary Kubizek: <The Young Hitler I Knew Speer: <Inside The Third Reich Dietrich: <The Hitler I Knew: Memoirs of the Third Reich's Press Chief In fact regarding Dietrich here is an even more extended quote on Hitler and religion that I have attached above. >Hitler lied to the people Skillful means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upaya >>1626 Ethnoglobe is not driven necessarily by irrational hate and resentment. See the fourth pic I have attached.
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>>1623 >they are Christians Nice cope, trying to deflect from the fact that Paganism is just as kiked as the modern church, guess what they're saying is "pagan morality" since they call themselves pagans. And the people in your webms are pagans leaping as Christians >Because you are We don't claim to be so it's not possible. >Egypt Literally everyone in north Africa had heavy amounts of European mixture, and even more for the Levant and most of the northern part of the middle East before the Browning™ began. The word jew was coined in the 6th century to describe them. they started being subversive parasites at the time of the conversions. >Rosenberg said it so it must be true ? >Paul Firstly, he was criticized by the rabbi for actively going against his teachings, as seen by his seething hatred and persecution of the Christian faith. Secondly, that rabbi you were talking about earlier was not a talmundist, the talmund wasn't even written until 500 A.D. Lastly, its not very likely that the apostles would let themselves be hunted down and killed just for a made up story (ignoring extrapostolic proofs) just to convert the goyim into accepting Christianity. >They all were Pagans Yeah, sure, Goring was a Pagan, Heydrich was a Pagan because I said so, right? >Goebbels next in line Blatant lie, the Deputy Fuhrers were Hess and Bormann. To claim that the Goebbels Diaries have not been faked (only photographed from a typewritten document, original "diary" missing) is also claiming that Goebbels organised the Kristallnacht event and lied to Hitler about the progress of the war for fun. >survival strategy <being a parasite antichrist worshipper <what a brilliant strategy for survival <so profound <clearly anyone who points out the jewish evil is just jealous Yeah, no thanks. Again, the point is, Hitler donating to a museum means he supports his improvement of humanity ideas, it doesn't mean proof that he was a Pagan and it definitely does not make him a judeophile.
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Forgot to address this - >>1620 >>Book literally edited by a French atheist new conman but is somehow gospel in the minds of pagans because NS has to be pagan no matter what. I have not personally touched on Table Talk to build my case precisely because of this stupid controversy. There are at least five different sources from people extremely close to Hitler which support the anti-Christian theory, Table Talk aside. And this is only ones that I am personally familiar with, so it should not be taken as comprehensive. Now why is Table almost surely real? I have a few reasons for believing this. Firstly, there is nothing within the work useful to the jews that Hitler says. Though the dates of the monologues within the book are between 1941 and 1944, Hitler NEVER mentions anything about exterminating the jews — something we are told that was in full swing during this time period. While this doesn’t make it true in itself, it is very telling. If TT is a hit-piece or jewish lie agains Hitler, what exactly does it do that makes him look bad? I say nothing at all, indeed it makes him look even better and highly intelligent with how he can speak at such length on such a wide variety of topics ranging from history, philosophy, art, architecture and the ongoing war-effort. Secondly, nothing in TT conflicts with what we know of Hitler from Mein Kampf or his conduct as Führer. The biggest revelation is his criticisms of Christianity, but this is hardly surprising in many ways due to his worldview founded in the Laws of Nature, as well as the people he surrounded himself with (Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg, etc) — in fact the anti-Christian Hitler would make far more sense given his actions than the opposite. My third reason is that David Irving endorses TT as being authentic, and claims to have seen the original pages. He seems to say that some English translations are potentially dodgy in some respects, but good enough. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/TableTalk010104.html All these taken together, I have little reason to personally doubt them. Most of the people who claim TT is fake are coping Christians from what I have seen. Though don’t take my word for it, if you’re already well-acquainted with Hitler’s worldview go and read Ostara Publication’s edition of it. They are trustworthy
>>1634 >>1634 >Literally everyone in north Africa had heavy amounts of European mixture, and even more for the Levant and most of the northern part of the middle East before the Browning™ began. This is almost as retarded as saying that because there are loads of mestizos in Central and South America that these areas used to be White. >The word jew was coined in the 6th century to describe them. they started being subversive parasites at the time of the conversions. As stated here (which you probably haven't seen yet since I just posted it in the last twenty minutes, the word jew is merely an English reflection of the Latin word for jew : >>1633 >Firstly, he was criticized by the rabbi for actively going against his teachings You're lying again, anon. In Acts 22:3 Paul is still introducing himself proudly as a student of the greatest of rabbis: < “I am a jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. This was literally after Gamaliel in Acts 5 had the apostles flogged and showed them leniency. He was so well-respected that all of the other Sanhedrin jews went along with his advice. He was a giga-kike 4D-chess master, it's no surprise that he knew what Paul was doing. >survival strategy The jewish survival strategy is superior to that of Europeans today. The jews make a firm in-group / out-group distinction and prioritize the existence and importance of their people above all. This is why they have endured so much, and have been extremely difficult to stamp out. The closest group to this strategy is Muslims and how they act, and again it is extremely successful in promoting their survival. Since you are Christcuck pozzed by universal moral duties, it is no surprise that you cry about their survival strategy.
>>1553 >Posting a pic of some commie wiccan cunt witch subverting paganism Totally 100% accurate guyz
>>1641 It's very important for Christians to realize that there is ample evidence that so-called "witches" were killed in the pagan world. Modern day 'witchcraft' or Wicca is derived from masonic concepts and ideas like Thelema created by homosexual freak and freemason Aleister Crowley. Gardner's Masonic pseudo-religion was partially created for his own sexual reasons too, namely to get girls to prance around naked in the woods. This stuff has nothing in common with Indo-European Natural Law-based religions.
>>1634 >Nice cope, trying to deflect from the fact that Paganism is just as kiked as the modern church, guess what they're saying is "pagan morality" since they call themselves pagans. And the people in your webms are pagans leaping as Christians It's not cope, its the facts and those webm's aren't mine, but those "progressive priests" are in fact truer to the bible and jewsus's lessons than you are. The evidence is how the early Christians acted, which is no different than bolshevists and most christians of any variety today. >We don't claim to be so it's not possible. This is literally the central claim of Christian Aryanists(positive Christkikery reborn) and Christian Identists today, both are batshit insane and they either try to, in the case of the first, just retcon everybody besides maybe Paul as White and not jewish, and in the case of the second use talmudic scholarship and outright false interpretations of the bible to make the claim that "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE DA REAL JEWS". >Literally everyone in north Africa had heavy amounts of European mixture, and even more for the Levant and most of the northern part of the middle East before the Browning™ began. This is historically false, the semitic hordes were never greatly admixed with Europeans and there are plenty of studies both genetic and archaeological which prove otherwise. >The word jew was coined in the 6th century to describe them. they started being subversive parasites at the time of the conversions. Again just plain false, we have multiple romans talking shit on the jews prior to the Christkike takeover(Julian during this take over) and subsequent collapse of Rome and then the next 1600 years of the religion being the primary vehicle of the destruction of the Aryan/Nordic race. >Rosenberg said it so it must be true Not what I said, I said to read the book. >Firstly, he was criticized by the rabbi for actively going against his teachings, as seen by his seething hatred and persecution of the Christian faith. The other guy covered this better Secondly, that rabbi you were talking about earlier was not a talmundist, the talmud wasn't even written until 500 A.D. Yes here we go with the IT MUST BE WRITTEN TO BE REAL, this is false the Talmud was and still is an oral tradition stretching back to the jews subverting and causing the destruction of Babylon >Lastly, its not very likely that the apostles would let themselves be hunted down and killed just for a made up story (ignoring extrapostolic proofs) just to convert the goyim into accepting Christianity. HAHAHA, you are seriously naive if you think people won't just believe blatantly false shit, especially in a time when literacy was not a common trait and roman records were not accessible to those who weren't literate I mean fuck YOU are an example of that exact phenomenon! >Yeah, sure, Goring was a Pagan, Heydrich was a Pagan because I said so, right? Yes because they acted like Aryan men, despite holding on to a fictional jew. probably a mistake on Hitler's part to allow it but we work with what we have. Blatant lie, the Deputy Fuhrers were Hess and Bormann. Not a blatant lie just because Bormann and Hess were there to take Hitlers place when he could not fulfil the duties of the office does not mean they would be the next Fuhrer, Hitler was setting up a selection process and Goebbels was the second most powerful man in the Reich and one of Hitlers most trusted confidants, and best friend he was the natural choice. >To claim that the Goebbels Diaries have not been faked (only photographed from a typewritten document, original "diary" missing) is also claiming that Goebbels organised the Kristallnacht event and lied to Hitler about the progress of the war for fun. I'll make a whole post(Maybe several) about this, and TT authenticity, as I have something for just this bullshit claim. >Nietzsche ><being a parasite antichrist worshipper ><what a brilliant strategy for survival ><so profound ><clearly anyone who points out the jewish evil is just jealous >Yeah, no thanks. Nietzsche pointed out how your religion is jewish and in fact calleds it the ULTIMATE CONCLUSION OF JUDAISM in an expert well educated and pretty much unarguable against way, yet here you sit as the very Last Man he warned about. >Again, the point is, Hitler donating to a museum means he supports his improvement of humanity ideas, it doesn't mean proof that he was a Pagan and it definitely does not make him a judeophile. who said it did?
Can you imagine wanting to be a jew? Wanting to reject your entire beautiful Europe heritage for some hook-nosed, disgusting Semites living in a desert, claiming that they were White all along?
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Can you really call yourself a National Socialist if your religion dictates or has more control over your life than National Socialism? The National Socialist knows they don't need religions in order to have a spiritual fulfilling life. The National Socialist actively and naturally pursues the highest achievable goals of becoming spiritual enlightened. The National Socialist follows the Eternal Natural way as it is the only way we need to go. The National Socialist doesn't shun the religious — we can only show the religious the path to take. If you don't follow it fine that is what you choose, but don't call your self something your not. Most if not all religions for the National Socialist conflict as most do not honor nature and eternal truth. These man made religions much rather rule over nature and disregard the eternal truth and force it's followers to live and believe in a fantasy land of angels and invisible gods in the clouds. We do not — much care for the fantasy nor do we worry what is in store for us at the end of our life. We are much more concerned about the here and now. We a here to help our people in this world and not the other as we exist here and not there for the time being. Our time and existence in this human form are relatively short here on earth compared to the grand sceheme, age, and existence of the universe. Our lives and existence are merely a blink of an eye for the universe. So why waste this opportunity of life worrying, arguing and deciphering past ancient religions when we can be making history. Become the people that are written in the history books.
>>1635 As I said, it wasn't directly received or edited by any major anti-fascist organisations, so the amount of forgery is limited. But it is still forgery, and Genoud's atheism left a clear trail. >Of judeans The difference in this case is that the word was used to describe the case of the rejection of Jesus. Since this condition is not present before Christ, it is inaccurate to call jews judeans. >quotes Again, I ask for the original documents and the page for each of these because I have never seen this brought up before in similar debates. It was always either a Himmler quote or Table Talks. >>1637 We have evidence of ancient White history in north africa as well as surrounding areas. >Paul and gamaliel I am not. The Talmud itself describes Gamaliel as teaching a student who displayed "impudence in learning". Paul was not only rude to his own teacher, he was a fanatic. >jews showing in group preference Much worse. They seek the eradication of all who are not them, and rely on the empathy shown by normal human beings to survive. They group together to fulfil their goal and do not show any kindness towards the goyim, except when it benefits them (trying to convince humans that they aren't evil). A preference for your own group is fine, nationalism is healthy and vital for a people, but the situation when an Estonian sees a Frenchman dying of hunger, and tells him to fuck off because he is not an Estonian, it isn't good, because it undermines the White unified spirit. >>1641 >posting dishonest images is bad except when I do it
>>1642 We had magical systems, the "Witches" the christians slaughtered were herbalists and healers, and even some seers, I am sure, we never slaughtered them like the christians do, because the majority of them were married and harmless, subversive religious teachings have always been purged from all of our societies like the Oera Linda cultists.
>>1660 This is a good point, and you are right. What the Romans were mostly against was malicious forms of magic, such as crop-charming, curses, degenerate cults or sects, etc. There's an interesting book I have a PDF of where it documents all sorts of happenings in Roman and Greek times involving magic, witchcraft and the like, and how many of the types of stuff described above were punishable by death, bans, book-burnings, etc. Herbalists and healers are certainly not evil just by themselves. This is Christian to say, of course. Regarding seers too, we see them stuff like that in Greece with the oracles.
>>1661 >What the Romans were mostly against was malicious forms of magic, such as crop-charming, curses, degenerate cults or sects, etc. I speak not only of the romans, we have the Galdr and Seidr of the Norse beliefs as well, and their abilities are not well known but if we take the gods to be literal ancestors(they are but it's more complex than them just being ancestors) then the stories of their deeds and power may be a clue to what their abilities were and we also have the Völvas, the born seeresses, women to whom the normal rules do not seem to have applied because of their abilities.
>>1652 >Genoud's atheism left a clear trail. Hitler condemns atheism in Table Talk and puts it on par with communism. Night of 11th-12th July 1941: <Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that all-mighty being whose law he worships. <Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this all- mighty, which we call God (that is to say, the dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe). The priests, who have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they impose. [...] <We don't want to educate anyone in atheism. 14th October 1941, midday <An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) >Again, I ask for the original documents and the page for each of these because I have never seen this brought up before in similar debates Nigger, we live in an age where we can download a PDF and find these things within five minutes. All of these books are readily findable online in either EPUB or PDF format. >Paul was not only rude to his own teacher, he was a fanatic. Not hard to see a fanatical jew going off on his own mission to destroy the gentiles apart from the rest, and causing some issues along the way. >Much worse. They seek the eradication of all who are not them, and rely on the empathy shown by normal human beings to survive. Yes. This is merely the dharma of the jew. This is not to say that Europeans should become just like jews to acknowledge that this is their survival strategy, of course. It’s worth realizing that this jewish strategy outcompetes other strategies almost every time though, moralfagging aside, looking at this from a purely survival-centric worldview. We cannot fight someone who cares not about honor by being honorable. This is suicide. jews put the goal of securing the existence of their people as their highest absolute goal, to an extreme extent, to the extent that they will destroy everything to gain power for the shortest instant of time. They are fundamentally a parasitic and sick form of life. Neurotic, ugly and evil.
>>1649 Winning a lawsuit doesn't say much with the kiked court system. The main argument with the authenticity of the Goebbels Diaries isn't bad translation or anything. The problem is 1) It was typewritten and could've easily been edited 2) It is contradictory And for the Table Talks, the major parts quoted, which have been considered the most damaging, are the ones that are to be removed Hitler disliked the main church, and rightfully so, for its misinterpreted texts served to confuse priests who opposed NS under the delusion that it was bad
>>1652 >Much worse. They seek the eradication of all who are not them, and rely on the empathy shown by normal human beings to survive. So wait only the kikes are the bad guys? I figured Whites would be doing the same thing to the other races if weren't the kikes.
>>1663 That's very true. I did not even think of the Germanic pagans, but now that you mention them you're right. These people are certainly not evil. The practices themselves are neutral, but how they are used is the what matters. >>1668 >bad guys This isn't a comic book, and no, jews are not the only enemy we face. I keep seeing people here not being able to understand the reality of eternal struggle in nature, even though this is key to National Socialism > I figured Whites would be doing the same thing to the other races if weren't the kikes. Why would we necessarily need to subvert other groups and destroy them? If we had a reason to destroy them that secured the existence of our people it would be far less objectionable. Just because some other group exists doesn't necessitate to destroying them. jews think that it does though, even if they aren't threatening them
>>1666 >Winning a lawsuit doesn't say much with the kiked court system. this does because its descendants of "Nazi's actually winning a court case, In GERMANY of all places in 2015 and against one of the largest publishing firms in the world Random House but leaving those details out does trivialize it, doesn't it? >The main argument with the authenticity of the Goebbels Diaries isn't bad translation or anything. Nobody said it was >The problem is >1) It was typewritten and could've easily been edited This could be said of any document, even handwritten ones, not a valid claim whatsoever >2) It is contradictory Contradictory with what? HISPUBLIC THOUGHTS AND VIEWS? good luck saying or proving that every man isn't going to display different views in his private diaries than he would publicly. >And for the Table Talks, the major parts quoted, which have been considered the most damaging, are the ones that are to be removed Which parts? all the ones that shit on your jewish relgion? >Hitler disliked the main church, and rightfully so, for its misinterpreted texts served to confuse priests who opposed NS under the delusion that it was bad Hitler Disliked Christianity and outlines why quite well why in Mein Kampf even though it is obvious that he or his editors lightened the language or took swathes out to avoid triggering the niggers like you who would go on and on about OUYR LORD JEWSUS OPROTECTS AND SAAAVES US AMEN(SO BE IT IN HEBREW)
HITLER'S MEIN KAMPF AND CHRISTIANITY The string "Christ" appears in Mein Kampf 46 times. Seventeen of the mentions are in relation to Karl Lueger's Christian-Socialist Party, something which Hitler both admires for their Pan-German policy and criticizes harshly in regards to their position on the JQ: >The anti-Semitism of the Christian-Socialists was based on religious instead of racial principles. The reason for this mistake gave rise to the second error also. >It was obvious, however, that this kind of anti-Semitism did not upset the jews very much, simply because it had a purely religious foundation. If the worst came to the worst a few drops of baptismal water would settle the matter, hereupon the jew could still carry on his business safely and at the same time retain his jewish nationality. >It was anti-Semitic only in outward appearance. And this was worse than if it had made no pretences at all to anti-Semitism; for the pretence gave rise to a false sense of security among people who believed that the enemy had been taken by the ears; but, as a matter of fact, the people themselves were being led by the nose. This is a devastating criticism of Christianity when one thinks about it. The nature of the jew is affirmed as biological, and a racial approach is advocated for. So much for 17 of the 46 appearances. There is a single mention of Christendom (not counting the one in the preface), which reads as follows: >Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another to their hearts' content, while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve. Not much to draw from this statement. Germany was over 90% Christian, Mein Kampf was intended for the masses, and D&C in Germany between two types of Christkikes was bad from a nationalistic point of view for obvious reasons. The term Christianity appears in Mein Kampf six times in this work spanning hundreds of pages, again excluding a single mention in the author's preface. Here are two of the mentions in one paragraph: >If religious life in pre-war Germany had a disagreeable savour for the mouths of many people this was because Christianity had been lowered to base uses by political parties that called themselves Christian and because of the shameful way in which they tried to identify the Catholic Faith with a political party. A statement on jews and Christianity: >His life is of this world only and his mentality is as foreign to the true spirit of Christianity as his character was foreign to the great Founder of this new creed two thousand years ago. And the Founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of His estimation of the jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the jews; whereas our modern Christians enter into party politics and when elections are being held they debase themselves to beg for jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with the atheistic jewish parties against the interests of their own Christian nation. It's important to remember that the whipping of the jews in the temple was explicitly in service of a jewish prophecy. Also, in reference to Table Talk it's clear that Hitler believed that Jesus was an Aryan who fought against jewish materialism, he never refers to him as any sort of "messiah" (Hebrew word, there) or God. 1/3
>The greatness of Christianity did not arise from attempts to make compromises with those philosophical opinions of the ancient world which had some resemblance to its own doctrine, but in the unrelenting and fanatical proclamation and defence of its own teaching. This is said in relation to the power of ideas that energize a movement. Christcucks will latch onto the word "greatness", but in the preceding paragraph it is said: >The greatness of every powerful organization which embodies a creative idea lies in the spirit of religious devotion and intolerance with which it stands out against all others, because it has an ardent faith in its own right. Then later: >Christianity was not content with erecting an altar of its own. It had first to destroy the pagan altars. It was only in virtue of this passionate intolerance that an apodictic faith could grow up. And intolerance is an indispensable condition for the growth of such a faith Later: >Each one of us to-day may regret the fact that the advent of Christianity was the first occasion on which spiritual terror was introduced into the much freer ancient world, but the fact cannot be denied that ever since then the world is pervaded and dominated by this kind of coercion and that violence is broken only by violence and terror by terror The much freer ancient world? Every other mention of "Christian" is used in the context of "Christian denominations", matter of fact statements about how "the progress made by the missions in spreading the Christian Faith abroad was only quite modest in comparison with the spread of Mohammedanism.", referring to "Pre-Christian Germans", Christians converting niggers, etc.
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Finally, Hitler's conception of God is incompatible with Christcuckery. His "religion" was based on the eternal Laws of Nature and the Darwinian struggle for existence, not your gay shit about "sin", "repentance" and "salvation". All throughout Mein Kampf (which you've never read lol), Hitler routinely, again and again 'personifies Nature, speaks of Nature's Laws, the Will of Nature, the intention of Nature, etc. Likewise he rarely refers to God, but rather to something he refers to as Providence. He also uses several times through very many very un-Christian ways of speaking such as these: > The Goddess of Fate clutched me in her hands and often threatened to smash me; but the will grew stronger as the obstacles increased, and finally the will triumphed. >They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people >who has the right to shout that triumphant word if he has not won the right to it there where there is no play-acting and where the hand of the Goddess of Destiny puts the truth and sincerity of nations and men through her inexorable test? >I also felt that the Goddess of Vengeance was now getting ready to redress the treason of the 9th of November, 1918. The hall was emptied. The movement was on the march > the gentle goddess of Peace can only walk in company with the god of War, and that every great act of peace must be protected and assisted by force. 3/3 THERE IS A FAR STRONGER CASE TO ARGUE FOR HITLER BEING AN AVATAR THAN THERE IS FOR HIM TO BE A CHRISTKIKE
>>1668 >I figured Whites would be doing the same thing to the other races if weren't the kikes. Are you serious or just stupid? We were benevolent. We(Actually retard anglos) even took the fucking kikes in to our greatest misfortune because of their cromwellian Christcuck religious convictions literally establishing them in currency, loans, banking because of bizzare desert religion retard-ism. The funny thing is even when we had ultimate power over the lower races we never did the jew shit, we didn't parasitically blend in as them to fuck their people over, we came to their shitholes and literally always gave something back, eventually giving them entire countries back with built railroads, hospitals roads and schools for the fucking idiots just for a few decades if not a century of labour and spices. Shadowskins were given a deal of a fucking lifetime and jews "blame us" for giving them literally every modern accommodation including medicine and literally creating their education systems which is almost unfathomable for people to understand that they can't live without today nonetheless they are so retarded they will believe anything even though we charitably made these fucking shitskins, to our great dismay again. White people never lead a relentless parasitic usurer existance as a minority always scheming to blend in like jews who have created nothing, jews unlike White people only exist by benefiting from others work where the survival strategy is literal parasitism which explains their behaviors and why they have been expelled from Europe 300 times over, hated globally, but are still to this day they say they are convinced and tell us that "it's never their fault" meanwhile evil kike goblin scum like Joel bernstein and Noel ignatiev get away with soliciting White murder openly and then wonder why anti-semitism exist. Obviously sharing anything we made with the lower races was evidently an ecological and human disaster and in retrospect something that should have never happened, but we did it anyway, we even shared with the jews who literally want to destroy us for being retarded and sharing anything. The shadowskin and niggers would never ever do such a thing, ever, if it somehow in an alternate universe were them who were capable of creating anything good they'd literally use their creation as leverage to torture rape and murder and to spread their savage ways like that one time the ottoman subhumans managed to breach into kosovo and would originally ram giant sharpened logs to impale people alive on through the anus, but when Vlad Tepes finally came around to gaving them the same treatment they did to Europeans for decades before Vlad the darkskins immidiately cowered in fear like animals who did not expect their own animalistic subhuman behaviors given back to them. In the end the savages should have been responsibly left alone, a comparison would be alien contact with a higher civilization meeting the lower one not engaging because it will taint their culture. Who made it so it wasn't? Normal people didn't give a fuck about them and thought they were animalistic and so curious, yet not completely treating them horrible see: (Haiti Revolution 1791 nigs being freed by libshit christcucks and as thanks immidiately kill Whites who free them lol) Such retarded leftists and Christcuck marxists(the original globalists) who started handing out gibs and free shit, hellbent on defying natural law and not letting nature take its course infected with the mind-virus saw them literally as "equals" and did all they could to taint their culture to "elevate" them creating a culture of trying to dress pigs who to this fucking day overpopulate, pollute the earth dumping plastic everywhere, possess incredibly and dangerous technology like nuclear weapons yet still something absurd like 80% of them shit in the street. Yet globalists demand we treat them with silk gloves and baby them, treat them as "equals" although their societal behaviors are unacceptable in our countries. In other words they are afforded to live beyond their evolution when all these things they have is technology that was literally given to them never should have gotten their filthy hands on in the first place being incredibly dangerous. Think about how insane it is. If we can get out of this to learn from we know that this must never happen again and the retards attempting this shit must die.
>>1644 >Again just plain false, we have multiple romans talking shit on the jews prior to the Christkike takeover(Julian during this take over) and subsequent collapse of Rome and then the next 1600 years of the religion being the primary vehicle of the destruction of the Aryan/Nordic race. Not even just Aryans/Nordics, but if you look at Asian countries like Korea - which post 1945 used the same Judeo-Christian model as the US for it's nation - and look at how it primed them for the exact same levels of equality-cult acceptance. Now you have the feminists taking control, the men weakened and ostracized, the birth rates in the toilet setting the stage for mass immigration, and the whole "love thy neightbor" shit which has created a fetishism for foriegn shit. This is real world confirmation that Christianity is a poison to anything it touches, and it destroys any racial group who embraces it's cucked teachings. It is the precursor to Communist subversion.
>>1685 >Not even just Aryans/Nordics, True but those peoples are my enemy as well what hurts them is good for me.
>>1690 >True but those peoples are my enemy as well what hurts them is good for me. I fail to see how gooks are an enemy, if anything they would be a one of the few good allies against the kike along with the nips.
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>>1695 Gooks and Nips hate each other, that alliance wouldn't work out very well, unfortunately, or at least I'd imagine. Both South and North Korea would probably rather team up than see Japan embrace the emperor ideology and militarism again, sadly. Nips are basically the only good Asian ally I can think of. South Korea also has a major problem with judeophilia, Christianity and degeneracy. I don't know if I'd call them my "enemy" though. Pretty neutral towards them. I don't really like them though.
>>1695 There are gooks here in the US invading just like all the others, how are they not an enemy?
>>1701 It seems like he was talking in general sense, not in regards to the invaders present in our countries.
>>1701 I don't condone those that come and cause trouble, I was merely pointing out that generally they are respectful of the nation and culture they are in, but that doesn't mean they should be staying here. They are in the same boat as us in terms of what the jew is doing to their culture, and nation. They have been pushing the globalisation shit on them for a while, and even forcing kids to learn English first over their own language. Korea has always been in a rough spot due to geopgraphy, if it wasn't the chinks fucking with them, it was the Japs, and now Americans or jews. At the end of the day having other groups you can work with to achive your goals is valuble, and the fact of the matter is that we just don't have the numbers to fight alone successfully. Korea is one of the few intelligent, non-White countries that is facing the same problems we are and could be sympathetic in the future. >>1702 Yes. >>1697 I think you are right about the Japs due to the history, but I would take that "judeophilia" shit with a grain of salt. The government of Korea has been operating the same way the Western counterparts have for awhile, taking a shit on their own people and trampling on their traditions; I doubt a majority of Koreans buy that shit as much as they'd like you to believe.
>>1705 con't. Think of it from the opposite perspective. If the U.S. media and their nigger worship is viewed by our Korean counterparts, would they not assume the same thing? It's just propaganda to misdirect from whats really happening, and what people really think.
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>>1702 Even in a general sense, they're an enemy. At a base level, they are our enemy, they are not our kin, they are not our people. They use their existence, no matter how "respectful" they are of our culture and our false nation-state, they aid our enemies and themselves at cost to us, therefore they are a threat to the existence and future existence of my people, so they are my enemy, now and forever. >>1705 >I don't condone those that come and cause trouble, I was merely pointing out that generally they are respectful of the nation and culture they are in, but that doesn't mean they should be staying here. I don't condone any of them and they are not "respectful" of anything they have their own nation, yet they came here to a place that is by blood rights, and the slaughter of it's previous inhabitants by my ancestors, is mine, and took from me and my kin, how is that respect? how is that any grounds for an alliance? they came FROM their place to mine and stole from me, willfully with no regard for what is ours or the existence of my people, so I will return the favor and disregard their existence and future existence. >They are in the same boat as us in terms of what the jew is doing to their culture, and nation. So what? the weaker they are the easier it will be to conquer and exterminate them as they aid the jew and our White traitors in doing now. >They have been pushing the globalisation shit on them for a while, and even forcing kids to learn English first over their own language. Again, so? >Korea has always been in a rough spot due to geopgraphy, if it wasn't the chinks fucking with them, it was the Japs, and now Americans or jews. So? >At the end of the day having other groups you can work with to achive your goals is valuble, and the fact of the matter is that we just don't have the numbers to fight alone successfully. We have no grounds to build an alliance with them this shit has been trie34d before and always fails, we stand alone and we will rise or fall alone. >Korea is one of the few intelligent, non-White countries that is facing the same problems we are and could be sympathetic in the future. They are not sympathetic now and never were in the past, how could they be in the future?
>>1709 They literally never change. >>1705 At the very least it's clear that they are being subjected to degeneracy through popular cultural, entertainment and the like in a similar way to us. See kpop, etc. South Korea is of course a ZOG as well, quite literally occupied by the jewSA. Now whether Koreans are inherently kike-ish or anything, I don't know. >>1705
>>1710 >They are not sympathetic now and never were in the past, how could they be in the future? They were sympathetic in the past when Western nations sacriiced to help them escape from Communism during the Korean war. Many of the older generation are still thankful for that.
>>1710 >We have no grounds to build an alliance with them this shit has been trie34d before and always fails, we stand alone and we will rise or fall alone Then we have a fundamental disagreement. It's a few narrow view of our problem. Obviously the jew knows he cannot win without coersion of other groups, even Hitler knew that fighting alone was foolish and reckless. If we don't do the same we will fall alone and the jew will fullfill his propecy unhindered. This is a global war, and the jew is working overtime to turn everyone against US with his propaganda. We must do the same, and ally with like-minded groups to turn the tide. Look at how thier nigger worship has turned Latinos against them, another group that we might be able to cooperate with. Think about the big picture, anon.
>>1715 >They were sympathetic in the past when Western nations sacrificed to help them escape from Communism during the Korean war. Many of the older generation are still thankful for that. And who paid the greatest cost for their liberty? US or them? how much did we waste saving less than half of them from communism? many lives and a fuckton of resources and things that should have been used to benefit our own? especially when the commie side seems to be doing better than expected? They are not sympathetic, and cannot bem or they would send out an order for all of their racial brethren invading our countries to return home and keep them there, in fact, if they were actually sympathetic they would never have allowed them to leave and dilute our blood and steal from our people in the first place. >Then we have a fundamental disagreement. It's a few narrow view of our problem. No it's an accurate view of our problem, I want the invaders dead for their crimes against my people, allying with their homes will not help us, their homes will refuse to take the ones who invaded when idiots like you try to deport them, what then now that you've wasted months and huge portions of resources BETTER USED FOR OUR PEOPLE keeping these shitskins alive, will you kill them or enslave them? or try to force them to go home wasting more resources building boats or planes on which to send them? >Obviously the jew knows he cannot win without coersion of other groups,even Hitler knew that fighting alone was foolish and reckless. Did he win the war? did those allies who were racial enemies, fight to the death like the germans themselves did or did they abandon the fight as soon as they could? and defect to the other side? > If we don't do the same we will fall alone and the jew will fullfill his propecy unhindered. This is global war, of all our enemies from the jew to the gook coming to kill our people and you want to ally with them as they stab us repeatedly, are you just fucking stupid?! >This is a global war, and the jew is working overtime to turn everyone against US with his propaganda. They didn't need to do that at all, the propaganda is to make sure we feel guilty, the others all hate us at a visceral level regardless of what the jew does or does not do, because we are their enemy. >We must do the same, and ally with like-minded groups to turn the tide. Here you go again with the ally with the niggers rhetoric look at how that worked for Rockwell, it didn't >Look at how thier nigger worship has turned Latinos against them, another group that we might be able to cooperate with. Think about the big picture, anon. I have thought about the big picture you ignorant fool, Latinos(many of whom have Marrano heritage) hate us more than the nigger, and show it by allowing and pushing their own to come here and steal resources from us, jobs from our people and to distribute drugs across the entirety of the US through the extremely extensive gang networks they have set up, but yes we can totally ally with these fucking feathernigger abominations that are barely better than niggers.
>>1718 >And who paid the greatest cost for their liberty? US or them? how much did we waste saving less than half of them from communism? many lives and a fuckton of resources and things that should have been used to benefit our own? especially when the commie side seems to be doing better than expected? They are not sympathetic, and cannot bem or they would send out an order for all of their racial brethren invading our countries to return home and keep them there, in fact, if they were actually sympathetic they would never have allowed them to leave and dilute our blood and steal from our people in the first place. To be honest they paid the greatest price for their liberty, with us behind them if you look at the numbers. Blame the US government for not pushing the chinks back when MacArthur wanted to, the same retards who pulled out of Vietnam after they wasted hundreds of thousands of lives. The commie side is only doing better because our side has been infected with jewry and their dogma. Ironically, the commie side became less pozzed over time due to limited contact with the outside world. I would wager most of them went to the US to escape the constant state of war they are living under as a result of the unfinished war. I don't see how Koreans have stolen anything from us tbh. Maybe some have mixed with us, but that is probably the worst. >I want the invaders dead for their crimes against my people I share your sentiments when it comes to niggers, chinks etc. But I don't see them all through the same lens, especially when we could use all the help we could get. >Did he win the war? did those allies who were racial enemies, fight to the death like the germans themselves did or did they abandon the fight as soon as they could? and defect to the other side? I would argue they probably tried their best until they deemed the conflict unwinnable, too bad they didn't have the forsight to know they wouldn't have freedom anyway. >This is global war, of all our enemies from the jew to the gook coming to kill our people and you want to ally with them as they stab us repeatedly, are you just fucking stupid?! What does the gook have to gain from killing us? They are the next to be destroyed. Asians are the next group to be enriched with niggers and multiculturalism as the jew has said. Why do you think they are doing what they are doing to Japan, Korea, and Taiwan? >They didn't need to do that at all, the propaganda is to make sure we feel guilty, the others all hate us at a visceral level regardless of what the jew does or does not do, because we are their enemy. Not true entirely, some maybe, but I wouldn't conclude all. How can we be the enemy of those we've had no contact with? Or those who have prospered as a result of our influence? I disagree. The propaganda is to turn them against us. The jew misdirects his crimes onto us, which is why we are targeted; the slave trade, the wars, the stolen money, the sex crimes. To a non-White they cannot tell the difference from one of us and a jew. >Here you go again with the ally with the niggers rhetoric look at how that worked for Rockwell, it didn't Niggers are hopeless, and I'm not advocating bothering with them, but how did it harm Rockwell? It wasn't them that got him killed it was the kikes. It was a smart move on Rockwells part to try and turn niggers against the jew. >I have thought about the big picture you ignorant fool, Latinos(many of whom have Marrano heritage) hate us more than the nigger, and show it by allowing and pushing their own to come here and steal resources from us, jobs from our people and to distribute drugs across the entirety of the US through the extremely extensive gang networks they have set up, but yes we can totally ally with these fucking feathernigger abominations that are barely better than niggers. While that may be true, there are still those with our blood among them who are anti-communist, anti-jew. Those who have lived through that hell and seek nothing but to destroy it. Those people are friends stuck in a mess of shit. All I am saying is that there are people out there in the unlikeliest of places who are valuble to our struggle against the kike.
>>1724 Personally I think talk of 'alliances' is pretty much worthless unless we literally controlled a government or movement relevant enough to be in contact with foreign governments. Non-White governments don't give a shit about what lemmings think, and they would willingly cooperate if it was in their interests. Lemmings on the other hand, especially invaders, are too brainwashed to be of much use even trying to get their 'help'. That effort would be better used on other Whites, anyway.
>>1724 >To be honest they paid the greatest price for their liberty, with us behind them if you look at the numbers. They paid the greatest number of lives in the war, sure, but we paid greater in nearly every other way. >The commie side is only doing better because our side has been infected with jewry and their dogma. What do you think communism is? they're doing better because they stayed to themselves and yet North Koreans are caught infiltrating and immigrating here plenty and somehow you think that doesn't make them enemies? >I share your sentiments when it comes to niggers, chinks etc. But I don't see them all through the same lens, especially when we could use all the help we could get. We could use it sure, we will not get it, it will not occur, and if you honestly believe we can get this, you're a fool of the highest order. >I would argue they probably tried their best until they deemed the conflict unwinnable, too bad they didn't have the forsight to know they wouldn't have freedom anyway. So you would argue that they tried their best even though they unlike Germany were not raped and burned and pillaged and genocided by both the East and West after the war? I think even you know that's not the case. >What does the gook have to gain from killing us? A world with one less threat to their existence, and all the resources, land, and women they can steal from us, simple easy motivations that they will always have. >They are the next to be destroyed. Asians are the next group to be enriched with niggers and multiculturalism as the jew has said. Why do you think they are doing what they are doing to Japan, Korea, and Taiwan? The jew targets everyone does not change the fact that just as the jew is our enemy, so is the gook, and the jap who helps the jew kill us, for what? a little extra money, and safety from the terror of the Aryan man. >Not true entirely, some maybe, but I wouldn't conclude all. No, all, lemmings never count and they follow their leaders. >How can we be the enemy of those we've had no contact with? They occupy the same place in this world wee do Bipedal, Second Order Tool-Using Hairless Apes, they are an enemy simply by existing, on land that we can use with resources on and under it that we can also use better and less destructively than they can. >To a non-White they cannot tell the difference from one of us and a jew. And they never will. >It wasn't them that got him killed it was the kikes. It was a smart move on Rockwells part to try and turn niggers against the jew. It was a commie who assassinated him, but even so there was a time when he had Malcolm X as an ally, and when called upon X failed him, why is that I wonder? because helping your enemy hurts you and the White man was X's enemy. >While that may be true, there are still those with our blood among them who are anti-communist, anti-jew. No there aren't, there are a few scattered people who see the truth, like Cesar Tort, who I would gladly work with because, no only does he have no desire to breed and further his disgusting line, he, unlike you, sees why all Non-Whites should be exterminated, though he and I may differ on exactly why.
>>1725 They are worthless even then, every compromise or concession we make and we would have to, to have an alliance, weakens our position as once we attain power why would we need to concede anything to any other power?
>>1727 >Cesar Tort Chechar's blog right?Is he a spic or is he like a part White spic?
>>1750 Think he’s part spic. He’s very good on Christianity though
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>>1668 jews strive for the extermination of non-jews becuase they believe that they are superior and their blood commands them to. Whites kill people who have wronged them, and they conquer for cheap labour and profits (colonial empires), pure hatred is rare. >>1671 >winning a court case Q:Does declaring a legal victory harm them in any way? >any document Any other document did not get passed through allied hands multiple times. >Contradictory with what? Orchestrating Kristallnacht but still being let in the party and lying to hitler for his own benefit. This is an indication that some parts of it were likely edited by Ivan Ivanov Ivanovich, junior editor at Pravda, in order to make Goebbels look bad. >Which parts? The ones quoted the most, the most critical and at the same time the most uncharacteristic of Hitler >obvious that the editors lightened the language Proof? >>1673 >hitler said that anti semitism should be based on ethnic grounds rather than religious ones >clearly this meant hitler hated christianity >he never refers to him as any sort of "messiah" Because he never renounced his faith and it was understood what he meant? >>1675 >Hitler's conception of God is incompatible with Christcuckery. No, the christian worldview is not at odds with the natural one
>>1764 >Because he never renounced his faith and it was understood what he meant? He spent a massive deal of time bashing Christianity and called it from the beginning a form of proto-Bolshevism, you are desperate if you think that Hitler could be in anyway Christian or 'faith' in Jesus in any way. He's the exact same as Savitri Devi. He didn't hate Jesus as a man, but didn't view him as who Christians say that he was, and that's fair enough. > the christian worldview is not at odds with the natural one Kek
Relevant video from a christcuck about Hitler and the church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzNXdsxZo3k
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>muh "peaceful" religion from the desert and vatican child molesters is totally organic >jews write book for jews that is super strict but somehow also write book for White people with different weak rules where everyone is "equal" except jews being specifically written down as "holy" >"Nooo it is coincidence" (execute typical tricks) >not another version of the abrahamokike triology >this is not subversion >I'm so insecure I must constantly sperg about what those pagans and whoever else say about it Every christcuck
>>1822 The most saddening part of all of this is that they literally refuse to admit that they have been jew'd since birth with Christianity, even in spite all of the points in this thread and the stuff you posted here. I have redpilled a guy I know on the JQ, to the extent where he knows that the jews control almost every major facet of our society, but he absolutely refuses to believe that Christianity is a jewish plot, no matter the evidence given to him. I'm not even trying to turn him to atheism. God existing is far more likely that what (((scientists))) tell us about the universe's origin, but what I want Christians to understand is that the creator of the universe is most surely not a Semitic storm god.
>>1823 Christians' primary community is generally other Christians. It's a stupid belief to cling to, but it's also hard to give up such a significant portion of their life. I used to be a Baháʼí and got over it, but I genuinely miss those people to this day and it's not like I can find a local pagan chapter to replace them with. I have run into the same difficulty as you and I'm guessing that's why. Although; there should be no obligation to defend Christianity in an anonymous forum, but maybe that just reinforces their convictions.
>>1823 They simply require ego death, and then a period of rest to rebuild themselves. Most are simply lack the will or keep themselves too "busy" to do so and will resort to mental gymnastics to escape facing the truth, and will eventually fall apart just like a leftist from the constant cognitive dissonance when faced with contradictions, but not before betraying you for no good reason if you've let him in on anything, after all it's "the right thing to do". You've been warned.
>>1825 *Most simply lack the will
>>1824 >I used to be a Baháʼí and got over it Wew, how pozzed are is the average follower? I have read that they are a UN-affiliated NGO, a Zionist political sect based in Israel, that they want full egalitarianism and refuse to preach to jews even though their headquarters are centered in Israel. It definitely looks like the most pozzed form of Abrahamism yet, and I can only be glad that it is small. >I genuinely miss those people to this day and it's not like I can find a local pagan chapter to replace them with. That's very true, and possibly an underlooked factor here. With religion in general (to ignore the truth value of particular tradition(s) for a moment), a big part of the draw is the community and fellowship, and as you say, it is precisely this that we are lacking right now in real life. There are of course some other issues such as image issues due to New Agers and fake pagan Wicca degenerates, but the lack of community IRL lends to the idea that paganism is nothing but a nebulous and confused worldview with no substance to it. >>1825 Fundamentally normalfags typically do not want to jump down the rabbit hole and see where it goes. I am the type of person with almost limitless time on my hands, and no topics are too extreme or taboo for me to research and form positions on. Having followed this approach for at least four or five years now I have reached radically different conclusions than mainstream society gradually. I assume many of you here are of a similar nature, having come to the same positions, which are of course are positions not quickly-adopted. >not before betraying you for no good reason if you've let him in on anything, after all it's "the right thing to do". You've been warned. If I were involved in bad goy activities I wouldn't tell this type of person, don't worry.
>>1823 Apparently you have absolutely no understanding of faith.
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>>1831 >It definitely looks like the most pozzed form of Abrahamism yet It is. Unity is the core of the religion. Its logo represents what it sees as nine valid world religions (including itself and its direct precursor, basically progressive departures from Islam; hilariously, even they don't recognize Mormonism). The entire history of the faith, even to this day, is essentially rolling over and letting the caliphate fuck its ass. Pacifism is heavily stressed. I used to love how friendly total Baháʼí strangers were to me. There was almost never any awkwardness when we held communal retreats, but the problem is just how candid they are with their beliefs. It is probably the single most egalitarian religion ever conceived. The people are far too kind for their own good.
>>1835 Blind faith is simply retarded, sorry anon. I can't respect one rejecting the truth when faced with overwhelming evidence regarding the nature of the Bible, the links with jews, and the history of early Christianity. It turns into delusion at that point. Only Abrahamics, because they are spiritually dead, put extreme faith on a pedestal. Traditional Aryan religions of all varieties have been reliant on direct, intuitive spiritual insight on the part of the individual (gnosis or jñāna). This trumps all "faith". Faith, within reason, is only best adopted as a means towards a greater end. Funnily, the real Jesus taught precisely this, but the (((Church))) and (((Paulines))) destroyed all of the texts and killed those seeking intuitive and direct knowledge of God (who was not a jew or volcano god) >>1838 >progressive departures from Islam What I find interesting in a more general sense is how each Abrahamic religion has gotten progressively more 'pozzed' with each new iteration. For example, Judaism, an ethnic religion, spawned universalist Christianity and then later universalist and more Judaic Islam. From Islam sprung the most pozzed version, which is of course Baháʼí. I'd hate to see what they'd give birth too. >I used to love how friendly total Baháʼí strangers were to me. There was almost never any awkwardness when we held communal retreats I wonder if this is some sort of thing that came from Islam. I've noticed they seem to be pretty friendly with their fellow Muslims, with a tight sense of community bonds. That's one thing pagans majorly need to cultivate in themselves.
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Does Yahweh have power outside of his desert?
>>1847 > Does Yahweh have power outside of his desert? Do you ever wonder if the Middle East was always a dessert? Or if the kikes made it that way because they destroy everything of value?
>>1848 >>1848 Egypt and Mesopotamia were much greener in the past. Wherever jews go the environments are destroyed and a wasteland is left over when they are done, either that or filth and garbage
>>1850 The whole of Egypt was conveniently stripped bare by several swarms of locusts while the kikes just so happened to be staying over, leading to the desertification of everything but the Nile valley. They left soon after, and the desert literally followed them as they went. Nature literally dies around them, you can't make this shit up.
>>1847 It’s a good question. Emperor Julian’s understanding of Yahweh was that he was a minor local god of the jews, and this is the most reasonable explanation. But I don’t think Yahweh is literally bound to the desert. His power can stretch far beyond that. To call Yahweh *just* a minor deity is a dangerous understatement. Real minor deities and nature spirits are those like nymphs, fairies, river or mountain gods. I think Yahweh is better described as some sort of extremely egotistical and crazed demonic / asuric entity who has entered into a blood pact with the jewish people for world domination. Yahweh alone could be the one who has caused the gods not to show themselves as much anymore. It’s not unattested for the gods to be routed for a time by extremely powerful demons, necessitating an avatar to come and restore the Natural Order – see Bali, Ravana, etc. Ravana in particularly became so powerful due to a boon from Brahmā that he oppressed both the heavenly, hellish and earthly planes. This has all happened before
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>>1847 Yahweh is bound to the perception and existence of jews. It's safe to say that the spiritual Israel differs that of the Levant geographical Israel, and the Israel is just any dwelling that jews have supreme prosperity. Thus America could be an Israel, and thus America is guarded by Yahweh. This could also be interpreted in the Aryan lense as Airyanem Vaejah and Ahuramazda and the difference between the historical abode of the Aryan people and the spiritual and political dwellings that Aryans have expanded to. Thus it's important to recognize Yahweh as strictly an Ethno-deity, whom protects only jews of jew-blood, and that's why Christianity is destined to fail because their deity literally hates them.
>>1858 >Nature literally dies around them, you can't make this shit up. Not in Europe exactly. Even during the medieval era Europe has been less reluctant to become lifeless despite the conversions, although that could be because of the fact that paganism has influenced Christianity heavily with the traditions and custom that were kept. I think a Slav friend once told me that Russian Eastern Orthodoxy was debately more pagan than Catholicism.
>>1867 >their deity literally hates them. Isaiah 40:17 – <Before him all the nations are as nothing; they are regarded by him as worthless and less than nothing. Seems harmless until you realize that ‘nations’ is the translation for הַגּוֹיִ֖ם, “hag·gō·w·yim”. Goyim. A foreign nation, a Gentile.
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What's a Pagan take on stuff like Mount Athos? Despite being descended from the desert religion, the Orthodox church is pretty much the only organization that has been consistently involved in supernatural and spooky shit until current year. Moreover, as >>1871 mentioned, a lot of their inner lore comes directly from the old Pagan priesthoods, which shouldn't be surprising seeing how those priesthoods integrated into the clerical structure and monastic bodies early on. Of all the major religions, it's also the only one directly integrated with and supportive of the races and countries they reside in, where it's always been the main driver of racial cohesion and ethnic separation. Do they still follow the same kikeish Yahweh?
>>1873 There’s likely some supernatural occurences going on for sure at Mount Athos. This is not surprising given the fact that they are living in isolation from (((modernity))) and its traps, which allows them to achieve great spiritual growth, no doubt. With the practice of hesychasm and the experience of a sort of inner “uncreated light” within, we can find many parallels across the world, and talk of things such as the self/atman as “the light in the heart” in the many Upanishads, in the Yoga-sutra we are told to concencrate on ““the supreme, ever-blissful Light within.” Very similar things are described in Buddhism if I recall correctly too. They are engaging in advanced yogic techniques unknown to themselves, and likely do make *some* progress. Theoria or contemplation of God with the goal of direct insight comes directly from Neoplatonism as well, if not further back. They are still mixing up everything with jew-worship at the end of the day, though. When they have mystical experiences they’re likely transcending the demon Yahweh even though they view the experiences through a Christian lens. Perhaps we should look at what the Bhagavad Gita says on this matter: 7.21-23 <“Whoever has the wish to worship whatever god-form faithfully, it is I who truly grant him a faith that is immovable” <“Yoked in this faith, the devotee desires to propitiate that god for answering the prayers which were granted by Me only!” <“Fleeting are the results for those who are weak in understanding. God worshippers go to the gods; My devotees attain Me truly.” How much more lofty and self-assured than Yahweh!
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>>1772 Any talk about the religiousness of Hitler is worthless with people who don't understand the status religion had in the German speaking countries in Europe during his lifetime. Modern Germany was both an original center of the Renaissance(with had a huge boner for Classical Antiquity), but also home to German Romanticism(which had a huge boner for the Medieval Period). It was both a center for the Enlightenment(Secularism) movement, but also had a strong Counter-Enlightenment movement(a Christian Revival in which even the protestant Prussian Kings gave money to restore catholic churches in their kingdom). German customs from Antiquity gave birth to the Divine Right of Kings(the King decides the religion of his Kingdom), but it was also divided between Catholicism(Pro Rome) and Protestantism(Pro Nationalism) thanks to the Reformation started by Martin Luther. Between 1700-1900, a German would be baptized at birth and go to church school on Sunday for his Confirmation. In the week a young German would go to school and later university, in which teachers and professors would praise Classical Antiquity. All while living in a strong secular country, in which the King/Emperor is also the supreme leader of the local church. All in all Germans were similar to the Japanese. They followed religion out of their reverence for tradition and because they recognized the importance of the religious rituals for the cohesion of society, but in their professional and private life it didn't play a high role that dominated their thinking because of their good education. Meanwhile on the political level religion was a question of power and bowed to the concept of Realpolitik. Hitler tried to unify all the German speaking territories in Europe into one single nation. To do that he had to show both respect to tradition(be it christian or pagan), while he also had to replace and destroy it where it was in the way of unity.
>>1871 >Not in Europe exactly. Even during the medieval era Europe has been less reluctant to become lifeless despite the conversions,... Several parts of Europe did suffer from desertification from the late medieval period to the late modern period. Those places were only re cultivated in the 19th century with the help of steam plows.
>>1900 Yeah, but it's not as bad as it was and is within the Middle East, which was said to be filled with vegetation and pretty green before Judaism and semitic cults took over. Although can you give me a couple examples of desertification before the industrial era?
>>1907 >Although can you give me a couple examples of desertification before the industrial era? Biggest one I know was the Lüneburger Heide in North Germany, which covered almost the entire principality of Lüneburg. They cut all the trees down, so the salt producers could boil saltwater. Back then salt was really expensive. Farming before the introduction of the three-field system then gave the ground the rest and it couldn't support the most common crops anymore. When nothing would grow anymore, the farmers would change to become goat and sheep herders, which basically prevented nature from regenerating because the goats and sheep would eat all the plant saplings that could do that. The result is a landscape like in the painting I have posted. When salt became a common good, the people in Lüneburg turned into the poorhouse of Germany and that only changed when the potato was introduced and steam plows were able to dig up deeper ground. In English these type of landscape are called Heathland and wherever you find them, they are usually the result of deforestation by humans.
>>1956 >Biggest one I know was the Lüneburger Heide in North Germany, which covered almost the entire principality of Lüneburg. They cut all the trees down, so the salt producers could boil saltwater. I was more-so expecting there to be some form of real life symbolism that Abrahamicism wherever it infects makes life turn lifeless. What you're talking about is more-so the issue wrong with agriculture and civilization as a whole.
>>1907 The Middle East has a different climate than Europe. I don't think Europe could ever be turned into a literal desert in the way the Middle East today is. It was greener there in the past but there were still deserts as well. Just look in the Bible, the jews were still shown as wandering around the desert in Exodus. If anything, the real cancer the jews spread is anything artificial and connected with (((civilization)))
Got caught up in a minor argument with a Christian online, and he kept saying "god is real bro" even though I never said I was an atheist or didn't believe in god...how can you even argue with these people?
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>>2018 >how can you even argue with these people? You can't. They are insane due to the Abrahamic software that has been installed in their heads. Most of them operate off a very simplistic way of thinking too - either Christianity versus atheism, or Christianity versus Satanism depending on the topic. If one makes progress with a Christcuck, he'll inevitably sink back into feels and dismiss the point. I've seen this IRL a lot. The guy you argued with probably thinks 'if God exists, it's necessarily the God of the Bible', therefore repeating "god is real bro" is just saying that Christianity is true, because reasons. What were you arguing about?
>>2019 I was trying to explain that Christianity is not White or European as a rule and is in fact anti-White.
>>2020 Unfortunately this can be quite the hard redpill to swallow when they’re on the inside, I would imagine.
Has Christianity just been one giant cuck cult for control and humiliation? Be honest with me as well and provide direct evidence for my question.
Does the constant shitting on Babylon by abrahamites have any merit? Like, is there any legit archaeological evidence that Babylon was the degenerate late-stage clusterfuck the Torah says it was?
>>2025 >Has Christianity just been one giant cuck cult for control and humiliation? Be honest with me as well and provide direct evidence for my question. Yes, it has been. Christianity is a form of malware that the jews introduced into the Europe psyche, and we have been dealing with the negative side-effects for two millennia now. We just have to look at what Jesus himself preached to see what he wanted for people— >division and chaos (Matthew 10:34-36) >non-resistance to evil (Matthew 5:39) >cucking to the state (Matthew 22:17-21) >not planning for future events (Matthew 6:25-34) There are more that could be listed, but I think you get the basic point. If a society followed these guidelines it would go extinct, period. Being a doormat does not save the White race. Christcucks will cope and say that Christianity used to be “based” in the past, but this was because it was not true to itself, and those at the very top knew that this was an unworkable system. When Christianity got close to the seat of power it very rapidly morphed from being a seemingly meek sect of Judaism, into a tyrannical anti-European organization which would slaughter and persecute Europeans for centuries in the name of a jewish war god. Very quickly “resist not evil” became Constantine’s “in hoc signo vinces” (In this sign you shall conquer). Following this the Semiticization of the European mind progressed slowly and native pagan traditions that we had been practicing for millennia beforehand were gradually stamped out, our temples destroyed or converted into churches and ancient works burned, and statues smashed, and sacred groves chopped down. Christianity then gradually spread like a cancer from the Mediterranean and was astroturfed to other European kings, often through very convenient marital alliances or being converted by the wife of a king. Clovis I’s wife was a Christian woman Clotilde, Vladimir the Great of Kievan Rus converted to marry Anna, Æthelberht of Kent’s wife was Christian and he also converted by her. King Mirian III of George was converted by his Christian wife Nana. There are likely many, many more examples. Christianity was spread through women to kings, and was always thought of as a religion for women by pagans for this reason. In many of these cases, as soon as the king had become infected with the Semitic malware, he set about mass-converting everyone who lived under his reign. Vladimir the Great did just this, as is related in the Primary Chronicle: <Thereafter Vladimir sent heralds throughout the whole city to proclaim that if any inhabitants, rich or poor, did not betake himself to the river, he would risk the Prince's displeasure. https://archive.org/details/the-russian-primary-chronicle What we see here is top-down social engineering by elites working for a universalist, Semitic ideology and forcing it onto our people, just as the governments of today do when forcing trannies, homos and mudmen down our throats—the gods of (((modernity))) With just the conversion of key elites massive amounts of people could be converted to this Semitic religion and made to destroy their temples, sacred places and heritage.
>>2027 We do have a statement in Herodotus’ Histories which he talks about and seems to find degenerate: >The foulest Babylonian custom is that which compels every woman of the land to sit in the temple of Aphrodite and have intercourse with some stranger at least once in her life. Many women who are rich and proud and disdain to mingle with the rest, drive to the temple in covered carriages drawn by teams, and stand there with a great retinue of attendants. But most sit down in the sacred plot of Aphrodite, with crowns of cord on their heads; there is a great multitude of women coming and going; passages marked by line run every way through the crowd, by which the men pass and make their choice. Once a woman has taken her place there, she does not go away to her home before some stranger has cast money into her lap, and had intercourse with her outside the temple; but while he casts the money, he must say, "I invite you in the name of Mylitta". It does not matter what sum the money is; the woman will never refuse, for that would be a sin, the money being by this act made sacred. So she follows the first man who casts it and rejects no one. After their intercourse, having discharged her sacred duty to the goddess, she goes away to her home; and thereafter there is no bribe however great that will get her. So then the women that are fair and tall are soon free to depart, but the uncomely have long to wait because they cannot fulfil the law; for some of them remain for three years, or four. There is a custom like this in some parts of Cyprus. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+1.199 This said, having read Herodotus’ work in the past, he’s fairly neutral about Babylon from what I remember except for in this passage. He spends most of the time describing its gates, the ziggurat, its huge walls and the like. If they were exceptionally degenerate he would have told us all about it, since Herodotus’ loves to report on rumors and crazy stuff of that nature. So my tentative verdict is grains of truth with copious amounts of jewish seething
What are the chances this mRNA vaccine they are pushing is actually the "FunVax" shit the pentagon was toying with in 2005 to "vaccine" people from the VMAT-2 gene? (The one responsible for "religious extremism"). Seems awfully convienient...
>>2019 >>how can you even argue with these people? You can't. They are insane due to the Abrahamic software that has been installed in their heads. Most of them operate off a very simplistic way of thinking too - either Christianity versus atheism, or Christianity versus Satanism depending on the topic. If one makes progress with a Christcuck, he'll inevitably sink back into feels and dismiss the point. I've seen this IRL a lot. The guy you argued with probably thinks 'if God exists, it's necessarily the God of the Bible', therefore repeating "god is real bro" is just saying that Christianity is true, because reasons. What were you arguing about? The closer you look at Christians and the proceed to cross examine their behaviour with brainwashed Marxists, the similarities between their behaviour becomes eerily uncanny. Emotions take total control and violence errupts towards non-believers.
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>>2044 I've heard the same theory. It's certainly plausible. There was of course that one article from one of the AstroZeneca volunteers who said that "they killed God, I can't feel him anymore" after getting the vaccine. It's really impossible to know what the fuck this experimental jewish-made gene therapy will do to a person. Then again, I also have doubts about these claims. I think it's more the case of the kikes basically lobomotizing a person rather than turning off some gene that makes them stop believing in God. That sounds slightly reductionistic to me, but what do I know.
>>2019 Christianity was was subsumed by globohomo as the main religion generations ago. If you want to use the software analogy, I think its disingenuous to consider Christianity as the main program. In general, I view religion mostly as a reflection of culture, not a driver of it.
>>2540 Christianity definitely isn't the main issue nowadays at all. Like you said, leftism / globohomo overtook it in the late 19th century and early 20th century. It had become somewhat of a hindrance for the jews, therefore wherever they could they sought to eradicate it, like in the USSR. > I view religion mostly as a reflection of culture, not a driver of it. It can absolutely drive culture. Just look at the culture changes that Christianity has brought to Europe over time.
>>2550 Anything in particular you have in mind? I view the culture change more as a result of a collapsing Roman empire and the subsequent de and re-urbanization
>>2554 What you mention about the collapse of the Roman Empire's obviously a factor in some changes, but the most obvious thing here is the complete change in religion. Religion and culture mutually interact and shape one another, especially in cases of where we are talking about a new religion coming in and being imposed on a culture. With the pre-Abrahamic traditions of our ancestors there was a much tighter symbiosis between religion, culture and everyday life, but this was ruptured with Christianity, which then began to reshape aspects of native European cultures, and more slowly, the way that Europeans thought and acted.
>>2557 I'm not denying that religion creates a feedback loop to reinforce culture, but again I find it downstream of culture, which is downstream of genetics. People will act differently if they are in a dense city, or a roving tribe, or in times of war and peace. How the religion manifests or shifts is a reflection of this state of being, as opposed to the state being a reflection of the religion. I'll ask again if you have any particular examples of religion driving culture. I'm struggling to make logical connections for your argument that I find satisfying.
>>2639 How is the coming of Christianity to pagan Europe not an example of religion driving changes in culture? I definitely wouldn't say that religion is the only or even the driving force (i.e. most of the time it is downstream of culture), but it certainly can drive it in greater or lesser ways depending on circumstances. A better example might be the coming of Islam to Arabia. Their culture majorly changed due to this religion, particularly in the doing away of the practice of making statues of gods, practices like divination, frequent female infanticide, certain marriage practices like sororal polygyny, etc.
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I've been reading pic related related, and it is truly amazing what goes on in the Christcuck's mind. First there is reference to God as the ultimate brute fact - fair enough - as well as a person (being with intentions, thoughts, etc) that is utterly simply, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. But then in the author's desire to make moral truly 'objective' he goes and claims that God is not the author of all morality, and that it would be literally impossible for God to command something else than what is defined as "good". It seems to me that he is setting something higher than the "ultimate brute fact". God is best seen as the ultimate expression of "might is right" Also amusing is the chapter on evil, where he discusses "natural evils" like suffering brought about by nature, and how horrible this. I've noticed Christians constantly cry about Nature and how horrible it is. Nietzsche is absolutely right here in saying that they just hate and despise life. If something like God exists, and he is the author of the Laws of Nature, what reproach do I have? They are already perfect
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>>4100 For anyone who wants to go real deep into what I said here, check out: >'On Being a Pagan' by Alain de Benoist >'The Antichrist' by Friedrich Nietzsche >'The Twilight of the Idols' by Friedrich Nietzsche >'Beyond Good and Evil' by Friedrich Nietzsche https://archive.org/details/OnBeingAPagan https://www.gutenberg.org/files/19322/19322-h/19322-h.htm
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The story of Genesis is literally anti-Soma. The fruit of the tree was not an apple, it was Soma. Yahweh was afraid of Manu consuming the Soma and achieving Nirvana, thus becoming Gods themselves. Now you see the true purpose of Abrahamism. It's literally a jewish Supremacy movement.
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>>4113 This has to be some sort of synchronicity. Literally less than five minutes ago I finished reading the Mithra Yasht, and then the first thread I go and click on has a pic of Mithras. Wild. Reading it, it is clear why Christianity had to win out over it in the eyes of our enemies. >The fruit of the tree was not an apple, it was Soma. Yahweh was afraid of Manu consuming the Soma and achieving Nirvana, thus becoming Gods themselves. Exactly. Genesis 3:22 says it all. Yahweh became utterly terrified when Adam and Eve had consumed the 'fruit' and achieved gnosis. That part of Genesis was the original 'the goyim know' moment
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>>1395 The Israelites were White. The jews and the masons have corrupted the texts and hid the truth. It is obvious Whites are the chosen race.
>>4160 There is no need to LARP as a jew, anon. True Aryan religions do not compromise our position. The Bible is an inferior text to the compositions and philosophical works of the Aryan people.
>>4163 Not larping as a jew. The Israelites were White. The so called "jews" are the synagogue of Satan
>>4171 You claim to not be LARPing as a jew, but then you immediately go onto reference the “synagogue of Satan” from Revelation which mentions “those who say that they are jews and are not”—implying that you are a jew and that real there are real non-Satanic synagogues (i.e. yours). You are a jew LARPer. You reject Aryan spirituality for a Semitic volcano demon. You claim to be descended from a pack of filthy hook-nosed merchants. You are a traitor to your Volk in more senses than one, and an enemy of Truth
>>4174 No the fact is the Israelites are White and the bible was corrupted by jews and masons. The word "jew" came much later. The hook nosed merchants are the children of satan
>>4176 How much are you paid to be a troll?
>>4177 What is your religion then?
>>4176 I’m convinced most Christian posters are bots at this point, but just in case not— The English word ‘jew’ comes directly from Latin ‘iūdaeus’ meaning “jewish, of or pertaining to the jewish people” and “Judaean, jew”. This in turn comes from Greek ‘Ἰουδαῖος’, meaning “Judean or jew”. This comes straight from Hebrew meaning the same thing. The inhabitants of Judea were never White. There is no distinction between Judeans and jews. Genetics even support the fact that jews are Semites. White people do not speak Semitic languages. Also the Khazar theory is retarded if you’re going to appeal to that next.
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>>4278 >>4227 Which telegram dipshit are you? I know who made that meme, I know whos in the right side of it too.
>>4280 It was from a channel called hyperborrea, I don't have telegram anymore.
>>2804 >Christians constantly cry about Nature and how horrible it is Never happened, never will happen.
>>4313 You clearly have never read books like the one anon attached or listened to any debates by Christian scholars on the problem of evil.
>>4177 See you are so quick to diss my Christian Identity religion, but you won't state your own. Freemasons and jews are united in their religion, they worship Lucifer.. White nationalists are stuck bickering with each other over religion. It's stupid and harmful. We need to accept that we have different religions and just unite under White nationalism. We have the same enemies and it shouldn't be each other. Think of the Christian/Pagan wars and let's not repeat them.
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>>4323 >White nationalists are stuck bickering with each other over religion. It's stupid and harmful It's the exact opposite of harmful. It's a struggle for Truth and the soul of the White race. Will we be enslaved by spiritual semitism for another two millennia and go extinct, or will we free ourselves from our chains and re-embrace the Truth? This is the question, a vital question. The Christian worldview and the Aryan worldview are diametrically opposed in every way. They are polar opposites. And then you have the gall to refer to Christian / Pagan wars - which were waged by Christians are against European Whites. Millions of Whites were slaughtered by (((Christians))). Europe is stained by the blood of pagans, spilled by the servants of jewry. >destroys the Roman Empire >forcibly converts millions >destroys ancient texts >destroys sacred groves, statues and temples >launches crusades against their own people >allows pagans to be sold into slavery to jews and Muslims >burn women at the stake for practicing traditional herbal healing >blasphemes the gods of Europe as 'demons' <CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG!!!!!!
>>4331 And still you won't state your religion, coward. You're probably a Varg tard who shits in a wooden toilet. Kys, faggot
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>>4345 >religion You're so stuck on this term. This is a sign of being bluepilled. Our ancestors did not even have a term for 'religion'. There was such a tight conceptual link between daily life and so-called religion that they were seen as one and the same. You look to dusty jewish tomes, I resort to the oldest means of direct intuitive insight - meditation. The answers will flow to you. Others have reported the same thing on this very board >>2846. You can't commune with a dusty book written by jews. Go and commune with the spirits of the trees, the spirits of your ancestors and the myriads of living beings around us that deluded modern people deny exist. Even God is real, but he is certainly not the God of the Bible. He is far grander and more sublime than that imposter.
>>4350 Perhaps fren, I hate to argue with a White brother honestly, I wish we could just put this debate beside us and fight for our people
>>4356 This may be controversial to some, but the biggest problem is brainwashed and normalfag Christians who are most under the influence of slave morality and the pernicious aspects. I would not reject someone merely for being Christian, but only if their Christianity was having a truly negative influence or was getting in the way of pro-White objectives.
>>4357 > the biggest problem is brainwashed and normalfag Christians who are most under the influence of slave morality and the pernicious aspects They are a huge issue, especially when they almost worship jews as though they are gods. This is something we can agree on.
>>4358 Yeah, that's a major issue. I've witnessed it myself, as doubtlessly you have and many others. In general I stick with what Pierce said, because I think he takes a good position on the matter: https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/09/wlp86-william-pierce-on-christianity/ What I will say though is that while it's possible to get Christians to some extent to be redpilled on jews (I'd argue that unfortunately it might be inherently too superficial since one could argue that the jews just need to 'convert' or something) - I've redpilled a handful of Christians on jews myself - far too many of them seem to be bluepilled on race, and it is highly difficult to deprogram them. I believe that part of this has to do with verses from Paul and from the fact that the Bible under mainstream interpretations attests to descent from Adam and Eve alone. Unless one is to adopt a Christian Identity view they will fall into these pitfalls over and over. And even then Christian Identity I feel is false, but it is preferable over the alternatives.
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>>4365 It's an asshurt Christcucks who thinks not being spiritually jewish is "fedora".
>>4323 >See you are so quick to diss my Christian Identity religion, but you won't state your own. Why do I need to state my beliefs and practices? All I asked how much you were paid by the JDF to go on boards just to make dumb posts. "Christian identify" is foolish and the reason why the West is in the state it is today. >Freemasons and jews are united in their religion, they worship Lucifer Freemasons are jews and they are united to worship Yahweh. This Lucifer blame is nothing more, but excuse my cuckchan lingo, a gigantic cope to dismiss the fact that Abrahamics worship an Asura. jews, Christians, Muslims, and Satanists are different sects of each other, but in the end are all spiritually Judaic. Your faith has always been in the evil that is Yahweh, but think it isn't so, because you're taught about purity and good manners. >White nationalists are stuck bickering with each other over religion How is this a bad thing? It most certainly has more purpose than Christcucks fighting over which scripture is durr "true faith" and dismissing what is uptmost important for egilitarian perspectives that originate from the their bibles, which is one of the reasons why the NatSoc and Mussolini failed to change their nations for the better.
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>>4367 >This Lucifer blame is nothing more, but excuse my cuckchan lingo, a gigantic cope to dismiss the fact that Abrahamics worship an Asura. It really is ironic. They love to blaspheme the gods of Europeans as demons and cry about Lucifer or Satan constantly, but in truth, as you say Yahweh is the closest thing to Satan on this Earth. The Asura hypothesis is the best one that I've read and I agree with it. Even great pagan philosophers like Emperor Julian realized that Yahweh was far from being the 'Creator of the Universe', but rather a some sort of vengeful and arrogant desert spirit. The sooner Christians realize this the better. They need to read the Bhagavad Gita or something comparable. The wisdom of a single chapter of that is higher than anything found in the Bible. Ultimately Christians need to realize that every attribute of Yahweh was found discussed in places like the Narayana Upanishad, Shvetashvatara Upanishad and in Zoroastrian Yashts and in the Avesta millennia before the jews stole everything and claimed that their volcano demon was the true God. >>4365 Don't respond to butthurt Christcucks. It's just impotent rage.
Wasn't sure where to put this but here is a book review which may interest some: >>4369
>>4313 The Hebrew and Christian bible has literal texts about how Humanity must have dominion over nature and, it is was created for man. Abrahamicism is the most anti-nature faith to exist. >Genesis 1:26 >Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” >Genesis 1:28 >God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Can you explain to me what isn't anti-nature about these scriptures? >>4368 >The Asura hypothesis is the best one that I've read and I agree with it. Even great pagan philosophers like Emperor Julian realized that Yahweh was far from being the 'Creator of the Universe', but rather a some sort of vengeful and arrogant desert spirit. I would argue that it isn't a hypothesis, but a truth itself if you consider the fact that the Abrahamists stole truths from Aryan faiths and injected into their own for their Asura god. Yahweh hates nature just like any Asura would, which is why jews and Christians despised paganism so much, because the Aryans knew that there is an universal order and hierarchy that is everyone must pertain by to stay on the path of the ultimate truth, along with their rejection to dominate nature, because they only wanted harmony with it.
>>4376 Are us aryans not the masters of the lower beings? One can rule over something without being against it.
>>4376 That's true, to say that it is merely a hypothesis may be understating things. Yahweh and his cultists have been carrying out a great act of identity theft for the last several millennia. After doing so, the jews - knowingly or not - entered into a pact with this entity for worldly power and lordship over the Earth in turn for exclusive worship. A literal Faustian bargain. The jews might have been aware the whole time, but millions upon millions have been swindled into worshiping an Asura LARPing as Ahura Mazda or Nārāyaṇa, whatever name one wants to use. >Can you explain to me what isn't anti-nature about these scriptures? These could be given a less-damaging interpretation, I think. Islam has a similar doctrine, and from a Traditionalist author Seyyed Hossein Nasr I read how the modernist anthropocentrism is allegedly different from the Islamic idea of the viceregency of man on Earth. Even still, it is clear that the modern anthropocentric idea is a direct product of Abrahamism. Abrahamism is the father of nihilism. As has been explained before, Abrahamism puts the center of gravity of all meaning and value away from Earth, into some afterlife. One will never return to Earth after death. They will be judged and then go for eternity to either Hell or Heaven. The Earth doesn't matter to the Abrahamist. In Islam it is said: <Were this world worth a wing of a mosquito in the sight of Allah, He would not have given the disbeliever a drink of water thereof. https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/3695 This clearly says that the world is worth less than the wing of a bloodsucking insect in the eyes of Allah. Christianity similarly advises to store up treasures in heaven rather than on Earth (Matthew 6:19-21) and that before Yahweh, all of the nations (goyim!) are but dust before him (Isaiah 40:15). Abrahamism itself is a dangerous anti-Nature force. The ancient world was seen by our ancestors as suffused with and animated by personality and consciousness, human and non-human. Christians first demonized our gods, and then claimed they did not even exist, and then restricted it only to God and angels, and Satan. Besides that the world was just dead, passive matter. Objects for the Christian to exploit and dominate as he wished because he was given the right by God to subdue everything in existence. Later extreme hyper-Abrahamists even claimed God didn't exist, nor anything else 'supernatural'. The Abrahamic agenda had reached its pinnacle. Man was God, everything was his to exploit and destroy, and look where we are now.
>>4378 >Are us aryans not the masters of the lower beings? Do you think it's a good idea for Aryans to stick animals and other creatures created by Earth, in cages for exploitation, entertainment, and mass slaughter? Aryans are masters of lower beings, but the relationship between master and slave with nature should be teacher and student or a friendship, which is what Aristole taught and explained. An man who domesticates a dog shouldn't done for any pleasure or luxury, but to help each other in any way they can. What Yahweh is describing is that we rule over nature for mankind's sake and that this planet exist for us to rule only.
>>4378 According to the traditional worldview of our people, there is both a Great Chain of Being, and there is a complex set of relationships between different levels in a great harmony. For example, when our ancestors sacrificed an animal for the gods, they were doing it both to honor the god who they correctly saw as greater and more powerful than themselves, and also to get the god's favor. The god too apparently benefited from the sacrifice as well. It was similar to hospitality arrangements. The god was believed to come down, to be entertained with praise, poetry, song and to consume the subtle energetics of the sacrifice. In return the god would help out the worshipers. This is why we see the classic 'do ut des' phrase so much in discussions of relationships with the gods. It is in many ways a mutually beneficial quid pro quo arrangement. The gods know they are higher than humans but they are also very controlled in their conduct most of the time. If they are angered they might retaliate or punish the wrongdoers, but in general they do not go around spreading chaos just because they are in some senses 'masters' compared to humans. Now with certain evil entities, it's clear that they are directly opposed to the Natural Order and wish to mix everything up. Who knows why they do this. Many of them are likely psychopathic and get pleasure from fucking with people and destroying things. The Abrahamic idea abolishes almost all hierarchy and complex interrelations of beings and entities. There's only one Big jew you have to obey and worship, the rest are evil and should be ignored, they say. None of this should be confused with any sort of 'kumbayah' attitude either. Those who do evil should be killed and destroyed. Pacifism is a meme. Struggle does exist, but it is not the only force.
>>4382 >Do you think it's a good idea for Aryans to stick animals and other creatures created by Earth You mean those of non-European origin, not just animals?
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>>4384 Exploiting non-Whites has proven to be more trouble than it is worth, especially if they are brought into White territories. There's nothing about non-White slavery that is unnatural, but those who engage in it pave the path towards miscegenation and large populations of non-Whites living within our nations. Regarding mass slaughter, in general its just not worth the effort. They need to leave our countries, and yes it will be done by force if they refuse. jews are the only ones that 100% need to die. Other peoples are not inherently threats to our existence so long as their populations are not growing at extreme rates and are trying to migrate into our lands. Some form of depopulation will likely need to be done within the next century for reasons similar to the ones described by Pentti Linkola. Either we push people into the water, or the lifeboat will sink.
>>4384 We don't need non-Whites in our nations, and I only want to exterminate the ones who are in our lands and destroying our planet's soil that includes Whites as well. If you're talking about colonization, then I couldn't give shit as long as no one mix races and the lower beings are kept in check to not destroy environments and trying to fight against Aryans.
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Are there any aspects of Christianity you respect at all, or any historic Christian rulers whom you admire? I can understand wanting a more 'authentic' spirituality to follow, but it seems strange to simply discard a religion that's been part of our history for so long, and that's so integral to so many Aryan national identities. Besides, it seems like we're basically admitting that the kikes are right when they talk about 'real Christianity' being pro-globohomo.
>>4396 I spent more time than I should have trying to think of a satisfactory answer to this, but really found myself drawing a blank for the most part. It probably sounds a bit dishonest, but I am struggling to find any aspects that I really respect. Not that I view it all with disdain and ridicule, but not much is standing out. If I had to choose something it might be the mystics or monks who have lived throughout time. I always find them interesting, and with the monks in particular asceticism can be respectable. I don’t like the cenobitic ones as much as the eremitic monks though. Saint Anthony the Great is a Christian I’ve always liked. He spent his life living in the desert and did basically nothing but pray and meditate, and battled all sorts of demonic entities. >I can understand wanting a more 'authentic' spirituality to follow, but it seems strange to simply discard a religion that's been part of our history for so long, and that's so integral to so many Aryan national identities. I don’t think the duration of time matters very much, honestly, especially if one recognizes the pernicious nature of much of what happened. Maybe Jesus himself was some man who was struggling against the elite jews in his homeland—and maybe he was even half Aryan if Celsus and the Talmud (lol) can be believed, but it’s clear that a gang of jews with sinister designs hijacked his teachings and injected them into the European consciousness, likely corrupting them in the process. The influence wasn’t bad immediately, and we can see many beautiful pieces of architecture, art and music that have came out of it, but over time there has been a steady and noticeable degeneration linked in many ways with Abrahamic ideas. >Besides, it seems like we're basically admitting that the kikes are right when they talk about 'real Christianity' being pro-globohomo. This is just the interpretation I get from reading the texts. I hardly need to mention the familiar verses in question from the mouth of Jesus himself allegedly. Funnily enough just a few hours ago I read something from Confucian scholars in Japan back in the day claiming that Christianity was a basically a tool of globohomo. See pic
>>4396 >expecting anything close to a straight answer from the few active individuals crafting this thread
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>>4360 How does it feel being the exact target of a years old meme? >>4396 Aryan = noble, there is nothing noble about Christianity, because it is an anti-heroic religion. >for so long lol >we're basically admitting that the kikes are right Oh it's just a concern troll.
>>4403 The real LARP is believing a jewish carpenter nailed to an execution device is somehow your lord and savior, buddy. I pray that you realize that you have been deceived by a pretender. Yahweh is not God
If your only goal here is to pretend to be retarded. I just want you to know that pretending to be a retarded troll still makes you retarded.
>>4382 Exploitation of animals isnt implied at all. The quote simply states that animals are to be ruled over.
>>4409 The Aryans did not have the same view of dominion especially not over nature, because they venerated and protected their environments for it had spiritual and close connections to their origin. The word "rule" in the original Hebrew bible is not the same as you think it is dude.
>>4409 >>4410 >The word "rule" in the original Hebrew bible is not the same as you think it is dude. I was expressing some doubt over this point, but it appears that anon is correct concerning what the jews really meant by "rule". Here is what one Bible website says for the Hebrew in Genesis 1:26: <to rule <וְיִרְדּוּ֩ (wə·yir·dū) <Strong's 7287: To tread down, subjugate, to crumble off https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-26.htm#lexicon Other translations given include 'have dominion', 'subdue', 'dominate' and 'prevail over / against'. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7287.htm And even more telling is what is said in Genesis 1:28. The verb used is וְכִבְשֻׁ֑הָ (wə·ḵiḇ·šu·hā) - meaning "To subdue, bring into bondage" https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm#lexicon It is highly telling that alternate translations given for other verses include 'trample', 'subdue', 'assault', 'bring into bondage'. Yahweh is literally telling the jews here to enslave and subjugate the entire Earth. And to realize that the jews see the goyim as animals only deepens the meaning of this verse. This is a great redpill for me.
>>4398 My biggest issue with abandoning Christianity is that it's hard for me to see modern paganism as anything but a recent invention, even if it draws on much older sources. Religion changed and evolved over time, even before Christianity. Even afterwards, I don't think there was as much change as you might think. In some Catholic countries, you get pagan gods being rebranded as saints, and of course pagan holidays like Yuletide and Easter being retold in a Christian context. Most importantly, the people did not change, they maintained direct continuity with their own ancestors even after Christianization. You might also notice that Christianity isn't monolithic, there are enormous differences in practice and observation between European and Near Eastern Christians, for example, and there are plenty of culturally derived variations even within those categories. To me, European Christianity represents a direct continuation of older European religions. It may be that Christianity started off as foreign, but through syncretism has become indistinguishable from other European religions. This isn't a unique phenomenon either, the Romans adopted gods and cults from many people they conquered, including certain eastern religions. I can see the utility in trying to reconstruct pre Christian Aryan religions, but they would still be no more than reconstructions. They don't have the unbroken continuity that Christianity has. My fear is that by giving up on Christianity, we're essentially giving it to the kikes. Besides, most Whites today still follow some form of Christianity, it seems like we'd be alienating plenty of people who would otherwise side with us. >>4398 >Funnily enough I read something from Confucian scholars in Japan claiming that Christianity was a tool of globohomo The passage is interesting, but I would like to see something from an Aryan perspective. Plenty of Asiatic cultures were affected in similar ways during the colonial period. I know a lot of Blackshirts consider Japs to be 'honorary Aryans', but I don't see them as better or worse off than any other gooks. In any case, I'm don't know if we should denounce everything and everyone from the colonial period as 'agents of globohomo'.
>>4424 > Religion changed and evolved over time, even before Christianity. This is such a stupid thing to say. Religions did not evolve, they declined and began to stray from the truth, when were widely used for political purposes and negating the spirit and duty of man. >I don't think there was as much change as you might think Emphasis on think, because there has been much changed especially in the way they worship and the practices that pagans had lost, because Abrahamists see anything that did not agree with Yahweh is demonic. >n some Catholic countries, you get pagan gods being rebranded as saints What the fuck are you talking about? Pagan Gods were not saints at all, they were denounced as demonic and evil spirits. Saints were men whose mind, spirit and soul was held on and originated by Yahweh. Odin, Zeus, and Jupiter were never viewed as saints, especially not during the medieval period where you would be viewed as a heathen for acknowledging. >and of course pagan holidays like Yuletide and Easter being retold in a Christian context They were not retold they were completely changed in favor of Christianity. The ancestor veneration, the ceremonial fires, etc were all outlawed in favor of something more Abrahamic. >Most importantly, the people did not change, they maintained direct continuity with their own ancestors even after Christianization. And this is a fucking lie and makes no sense. Stop with this faggy apologism for christcuckery. Christianity changed the European mentality, spirit, and perspective of the world. To say that there wasn't any changes would mean you would have to explain all the shitty scriptures, and why christcucks went around murdering native Europeans for their churches' influence and why Whites grew the idea that they were Semites and that Israel is a holy place of their origin, which is one of the reasons why they fought for Jerusalem against the mudslimes. There was no synthesis you imbecile, the christcucks kept and tolerated traditions and customs to the extent that they were harmless against and did not influence the populace away from the church. A synthesis would imply that they were accepting of pagan in spirit and faith and that the bible is Aryan in ways, in which it clearly was not. We don't need christcucks, get over it.
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>>4424 Excuse me if I get into schizo territory here, but for some of the reasons you mention, I feel like I have to. I have been somewhat critical of reconstructionism in the past myself - not because we shouldn't attempt to recover the traditions of our ancestors or anything like that, but because what we can reconstruct from the surviving texts is necessarily the bare externals. A religion is not just its rituals. The rituals and culture flowing from that tradition are the outer walls that surround the heart within (if I can use such a mixed metaphor). In many cases in Europe, especially in traditions such as the Celtic, the oral traditions of the priestly caste have been almost completely lost. Same with the Germanic traditions - we know much more here and the situation is better here, but we can hardly know what the priestly figures of this culture and tradition past down orally that was lost due to Christianization. The situation is obviously not entirely grave, however, as Asatru is indeed gaining followers slowly, as is Rodnovery in Russia and Romuva in Lithuania, to mention a few. To ape the externals is nice, but if it is not genuinely spiritual it is not going to be a true contender with Christianity or any other religion. This might be a bit discouraging to some pagans in how immense I make the requirements (as I see them) for a genuine rebirth to happen - but what it's going to take is another Buddha, another Christ-figure, another Muhammad-figure. I don't mean this in the sense of the teachings, but in the sense that we will see an individual reach a level of attainment that allows them to genuinely some sort of suprarational religious / spiritual truth. It's obvious to me that the religions of our European ancestors originally had a transcendent source conveyed to others through shamanic / priestly practices, and through various ascetics and sages. It is the appearance of such a figure and the dedication that it would inspire that would defibrillate the pagan movement in the West. It would be different than some things in the past, I imagine, and would not necessarily do away with the ideas of the past - but it would reaffirm them and bring them back into the minds of the people. Maybe I am totally misguided here, but this is the most realistic option in mind.
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>>4424 >Even afterwards, I don't think there was as much change as you might think. In some Catholic countries, you get pagan gods being rebranded as saints, and of course pagan holidays like Yuletide and Easter being retold in a Christian context. Most importantly, the people did not change, they maintained direct continuity with their own ancestors even after Christianization. This was by design. We can see in a letter from Pope Gregory to abbots in England advising them to precede like this in order to Christianize the population. See pic The last lines are most telling. The pope talks about "cutting off their rude natures", and then advises a gradual change over to Christian habits - which as has been argued are detrimental in large part to the survival of the European races. One might argue that this is proof that the Pope and his buddies were good guys for being so gradual, but it should not be ignored here that the gods of the English here are slandered as "devils", and that all throughout Europe temples were destroyed, and sacred groves of trees burnt to the ground, along with art and statues glorifying their gods (given the loaded term "idols"). >My fear is that by giving up on Christianity, we're essentially giving it to the kikes. Besides, most Whites today still follow some form of Christianity, it seems like we'd be alienating plenty of people who would otherwise side with us. I have Dr. Pierce's position - if you're against racemixing and jews, it's most likely possible in some extent to work with Christians. I am very harsh against Christians online sometimes, but in real life I would be more tactical, while not compromising the utmost importance of the survival of our people either - I am not afraid to say that the Bible leads to you being a doormat to Christians - I have told them this before and only ever get smiles or chuckles, and no counterarguments. They just ignore those verses.
>>4396 Are there any aspects of Christianity you respect at all, or any historic Christian rulers whom you admire? No, with only Vlad the Impaler being an exception, and that's because he wasn't really Christian as much as he was just an ardent defender of his people. >I can understand wanting a more 'authentic' spirituality to follow, but it seems strange to simply discard a religion that's been part of our history for so long, and that's so integral to so many Aryan national identities. If ones national identity is tied up with christianity, that Identiity is not aryan, and most European nations are more than half non-christian at this point. >Besides, it seems like we're basically admitting that the kikes are right when they talk about 'real Christianity' being pro-globohomo. They have always been right about this, they use this to their advantage, it was never hard to get christains to cuck for jews.
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>You are a king, then!” said Governor Pilate. King Jesus answered with abandonment, “You say that I am a king. Instead, in fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” >“What is truth?” retorted Pilate. Jesus was BTFO right here. He didn't even answer. The Aryan pilpuled the jew. Jesus sat in silence.
How would Christianity do it better this time? All they did was to prohibit what they didn't like (alcohol, drugs, having a foreskin, heavy metal) without addressing the root of the problems they faced. Christians even protected the root in some cases. This only created and strengthened the opposition to Christianity. I don't see anything in Christianity that guarantees a victory for Christians or anyone else. Sorry for the normie meme.
>>1596 Where can I get the pdf of "National Socialism And The Roman Catholic Church" by Nathaniel Micklem? It's not on libgen, and the IRC channels aren't much better. t. Adûnâi
>>4431 >we will see an individual reach a level of attainment that allows them to genuinely some sort of suprarational religious / spiritual truth. Wasn't Hitler such a figure? His kill count of the racial enemies is in the tens of millions. That's a fitting and inspirational blood sacrifice to any European whose blood is boiling from hate. Or do you mean some tree-hugging nonsense? No rebirth is possible without rivers of blood and fire. The foundation of the new temple must be built on the bones of the enemies of Europa.
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>>4613 Hitler was essentially such a figure, but I was really referring to the perfection of the his type. Like Savitri Devi said, Hitler was one of the greatest Aryans our race has ever seen, and indeed had a mixture of lightning and sun qualities, but his one flaw is that they were not totally balanced. Too much sun, not enough lightning. The perfect Hitler, or Kalki, or whatever you want to kill him, will be exactly as you said. Ruthless, victorious, charismatic, inspiring, etc. This is why Hitler said to fight for the Coming Man.
>>4611 The religion was doomed from the start for many, many reasons. One would have to reinterpret Christianity so wildly differently that it would hardly be Christianity anymore in order to alleviate the problems that many of us see within the religion. The main attempt at this has been Christian Identity. The problem with Christian Identity is that it's just unfortunately not true.
>>4613 We're going to be hugging trees and grinding our enemies into fertilizer for said trees.
The final BTFO of Abrahamism is imminent. Prepare yourselves. I do not know when but I’m writing a document on the Abrahamic phenomenon, Christianity especially. Currently at some 1,200 words. Not sure how long it will be, less than 50 pages. Hopefully it will be helpful in waking one up the Abrahamic menace outside of the obvious fact that it came from kikes. It goes much deeper.
>>4741 Yawn
>>4741 I would rather have something concrete to replace it than just more criticism.
>>4742 >(1) post by this ID within two minutes Terrified, aren’t you?
>>4744 I was mainly thinking of expanding this >>4100 and adding a few things that I failed to address the first time. You’re right that pure critique with no positive alternatives being offered is inherently limited though. Theoretically I could write it and put forward my own stuff, but I feel like it would limit the appeal of it to an extent. The main goal right now is definitively showing that Abrahamism is pervasive and incompatible with White Nationalism, written in a somewhat easily digestible style and length. I’m really not that that far in yet so I don’t know how successful this strategy will be, but if it fails I’d of necessity probably have to start putting my own stuff in there. The question is whether anyone cares about my eclectic brand of paganism.
Isn't Yahweh just satan?
>>4752 Isn't Satan an Abrahamic figure? Maybe you are thinking of an ashura or similar entity.
>>4755 Satan is an Abrahamic figure, but I'm asking because a-lot of jews are Satanists and Yahweh has been attacked as a malevolent being by gnostics. It makes me think that Satan this whole time was just Yahweh meaning that goys technically have been tricked into worshipping a demon for centuries. Holy fuck I'm never phone-posting on here ever again. Too many mistakes I would not typically make on a post.
>>4763 >jews worship Satan >Christians worship Yahweh >Yahweh = Satan <Christians worship Satan Interesting theory you've got here.
>>4764 Is this sarcasm?
>>1446 > Yahweh does not love Aryans, he loves oppressed low-IQ mud people Not in the Old Testament tho. The OT is extremely ambiguous as to who wrote it but one thing for sure, it's manly.
>>4765 No, I just think that there are interesting implications to the idea that the Christian 'god' is in fact the same entity as the being they identify as the ultimate evil.
>>4752 >Isn't Yahweh just satan? I would not use the term Satan personally, but it’s highly likely that Yahweh could be some sort of asura, daeva or even some more powerful entity such as Angra Mainyu. These are loosely equivalent to “demons” and Angra Mainyu does sort of have the role of what Satan is in the later Abrahamic traditions. >>4763 >It makes me think that Satan this whole time was just Yahweh meaning that goys technically have been tricked into worshipping a demon for centuries. This is exactly what I think has happened. >>4764 It is hard for them to grasp, but it’s most likely true. Their mistake is the identification of God with the God of the OT. >>4772 Only problem is that if you’re not a kike you’re basically cattle in the OT.
>>4778 >>4776 I remember there being a blogpost that talked about how the devil's greatest trick was convincing the masses he was God, as well as its origin, but unfortunately I seemed to have lost the link...
>>4763 You might be on to something here. The Hebrew bible talks a lot about how Yahweh did some pretty messed up things such as the time he created division amongst families and other kins, told mid-wives Hebrews that they should kill their sons and allow let their daughters to live so the Hebrew race could multiple, how he would punish children and men by death for mocking him, how rewarded the fool and transgressors, etc. What kind of peaceful and benevolent God who loves the people he birth tells his own creations/blood to do such things? >>4772 >Tho. Nice nigger speak. >Not in the Old Testament tho. The Old Testament literally talks about killing goys and dominating nature. That's not Aryan, especially when the Aryans have criticized and fought numerous wars against the jews for their ways and views, and yes I'm referring "Christians" as jews as well. >it's manly It's the opposite of manly, it's delusional. One of the reasons why the Christianity grew was because of women and this was the case for the Roman, Greeks, and Norse who's women converted to Christianity do its appeasement to them. The Old Testament is nothing but a bunch of slave moralities, which is why Christian women are more religious than the men.
>>4778 I used the term Satan to give you guys an understanding of what I'm trying to convey. I know I could just of said Ashura, but I don't think it would of narrowed down what I meant. Christians were raised and taught that Satan is bad and God is good, but if you read the bible, look up the history of Abrahamicism, and look at the behavior of the jews and their followers, then it's makes me think that this supposed "Satan" figure that has been painted as a evil being was actually Yahweh himself and this dicthomoy was created on purpose to deter Christians from learning the truth that got gnostics killed and imprisoned. They are told to worship the same entity, but this entity hides behind a lie of his true nature and intentions as a kind, peaceful and lovable being.
>>4786 As matter of fact I shouldn't even used Satan, but just had said the Devil himself.
>>4778 Yahweh is a demiurge, by definition, because he's a spiritual entity trying to take the dominion of the material realm from the Yazata for himself to fashion to his liking.
>>4793 >Yahweh is a demiurge, by definition Yahweh is the demiurge according to the Hebrews. There is no confirmation that Yahweh is the demiurge is one of them. It could just be one really powerful Ashura.
>>4794 Yahweh is certainly the current the demiurge of the world right now though. Think of how shit the world became after the conversion of Constantine? Rome fell, Europe became a powder keg of inbred retarded kings that all killed each other, Iran and Anatolia fell to Islam and became inevitably brown. Hitler was the last gasp of built up rage against the injustices of the modern Jeudo-materialist world, and in the end Yahweh ended up winning. Christians, jews, and muslims all give spiritual power to Yahweh. They praise his name, they empower him memetically.
>>4786 Ah, I see why you used the term Satan now, and it makes sense. What you’re saying is similar to what I have thought myself in the past. Time and time again throughout we see groups of Christians wake up to the truth regarding Yahweh, and as you said, they paid for their discovery with their lives. With the Cathars especially the (((Church))) utterly exterminated them. Wikipedia estimates 200,000 to 1,000,000 dead. Is this what happens when one finds out the truth about Yahweh? It gets shut down this hard? >>4793 >>4794 Sometimes I wonder whether even this is according too much to Yahweh. If we are to reference pre-Abrahamic discussions of Demiurge-like figures, he / it is not an evil being, even if it is lower than God / the Monad. In Vedic spirituality the god Brahmā (not to be confused with Brahman) is essentially equivalent to the Demiurge in that he created the material universe and was the father of all the gods and creatures within it. He is a rather exalted figure from what I can gather, granting boons to ascetics and providing wisdom in some minor upanishads. Plato’s discussion of the Demiurge also depicts him as good, free from jealous bringing the cosmos from chaos to order, making the world as perfect as he was able to.
>>4800 >Wikipedia estimates 200,000 to 1,000,000 dead. Is this what happens when one finds out the truth about Yahweh? It gets shut down this hard? Cathars believed that God in the New Testament was benevolent and the God in the Old Testament was Satan. The Cathars weren't perfect for they had some weird views on gender and saw that the material world was evil and the creation of Satan and that they should only care for the spiritual one, because it is heavenly and created by the supposed "good" God due to their dualistic concept of God, which is kind of similar to Zoroastrianism. What's interesting here is that they shunned the Catholic church as corrupt and evil for their indulges in money and power that they argued or excuse of them for why they are so sinful and the church didn't like this one bit. This lead to Pope Innocent II to launch the Albigensian Crusade after he failed to get his preachers to convert the Cathars back into Catholicism and ordered the crusaders to solve the issue of Cathars by force and this example of crusader might came with massacre of a important town known as Béziers. After the Cathars failed to defend the city the crusaders began butchering everyone within their sights and it wasn't just Cathars, but Catholics within the town who suffered at the hands of their own Christians. I can see why the Catholic church went through so much effort to exterminate them, but it's not as if the Cathars were speaking a truth and fighting against Yahweh entirely.
>>4801 Yeah they are a little too 'otherworldly' for my liking. Nor do I think that materiality is inherently flawed or evil. Despite the dualistic aspects of Zoroastrianism they never equated the material world with evil interestingly. Manichaeism did though, and the influence of that religion did reach Europe. They even revered the Buddha, Jesus and Zoroaster as prophets as well. This makes me wonder whether there was some influence here, because just like the Cathars, there was also a split between the highly ascetic elect and lay-followers, equivalent to baptized perfecti and unbaptised believers. It seems to be characteristic of true traditional Aryan religions that materiality is not something seen as inherently evil. What is seen as less than good, however, is to deluded by materiality and blinded to everything else. This is exactly what we see with degenerate modern society today.
>>4800 There is a good demiurge and there is an evil demiurge. In Manicheism Mithra was a benevolent demiurge who fashioned the world in good. I believe Yahweh has usurped Brahma/DyausPitar as demiurge and plans to fashion the material world in his image, which is terrible.
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>>4805 > I believe Yahweh has usurped Brahma/DyausPitar as demiurge and plans to fashion the material world in his image, which is terrible. This is 100% possible and very likely. According to the Vedic material this is not impossible in the slightest, and indeed happens occasionally. I actually mentioned this once earlier ITT >>1863. < It’s not unattested for the gods to be routed for a time by extremely powerful demons, necessitating an avatar to come and restore the Natural Order – see Bali, Ravana, etc. Ravana in particularly became so powerful due to a boon from Brahmā that he oppressed both the heavenly, hellish and earthly planes. It is said that even Indra is tormented by Ravana as he wills. This has all happened before From this perspective Yahweh is little different than Bali, Ravana or other evil entities who have attempted to lord over the Universe.
>>4747 >The question is whether anyone cares about my eclectic brand of paganism. Go full schizo
>>4782 I suppose you refer to this article by Lawrence Guyenot. https://www.unz.com/article/the-devils-trick-unmasking-the-god-of-israel/
>>4836 Maybe it would be a bit more interesting. I do actually already have 3,000 words written on this topic that I was planning to incorporate into something larger in the future.
>>1822 I have managed to make most people close to me realize that Christianity is subversive. It's mostly based on the fact that I've studied a bit of my history (Finnish) and it shows how subversive it is. No one is taught Finnish history here, only Swedish and by that I mean Christian sweden. Most of our words are based on old myths and spirits,but very few know anything of it. Our culture or people have nothing to do with kikes and their religions
>>4859 I guess this goes to show how much influence the culture and environment can have on whether someone can be successfully deprogrammed regarding this stuff or not. I'm an American and I've had dreadful luck when it comes to convincing people that Christianity is bad, and I think a big part of the reason why is that the history of this shithole is so tied up with Christian sects of various types. Good to see that it's not like this everywhere, at least you can also point to old epics like the Kalevala and the like too.
>>4868 Well I would guess that in the U.S it would be quite hard. >old epics like Kalevala it's still pretty Christianized but still helps to point to an older Finnish identity
>>4976 I refuse to believe that a Christcuck would care so much about this board. How many shekels are the kikes at JIDF paying you to pretend to be retarded for this board alone?
>>4976 Oh yeah? Even more impressive is the fact that 39 people were willing to die in March 1997 when the comet Hale-Bopp passed by Earth. These men and women died in their belief in an ascension to an alien spaceship that would take them to the next level of existence. Such faith, it's truly beautiful. I say it's the foundation for a potential White ethnostate. We know that Hale-Bopp was indeed passing by Earth at this time, and that there is no logical reason why nearly forty people would kill themselves for their faith. And on top of this one or two members of Heaven's Gate even remained around after the suicide to keep preaching the message. The only logical explanation is that 'OUR BROTHER ALIENS ARE GOING TO ALLOW US TO ASCEND AS WELL Discard your earthly vehicle, White man. The Nordics are coming to uplift us. >>4975 Shame that it has been Christianized. I have a copy of it on my shelf that I have been reading at some point, being a Euromutt Burger of partially Finnish heritage. >>4980 Abrahamic exclusivism does not allow other opinions to exist. It's rooted in the Semitism of these religions
>>4982 > 39 people were willing to die in March 1997 when the comet Hale-Bopp >cult shit ISHYGDDT.
>>4987 Of course I don't believe it, but it's basically the level of what that Christfag above is talking about when he attests to the fact that people claimed to have seen Jesus, and that people were willing to die for Jesus
>>4989 Refer to >>4992 and>>4994 You're doing an awful job of being a troll. >It's very predictable that low content anti-Christian posters would accuse you of being a kike shill You are a kike shill when you bring no effort to argue Christianity is compatible with fascism other than spewing a bunch of nonsense. >At least provide a counterargument. I'm not going to argue with you, because we had this debate for a hundred times explaining why christianity is shit. It's a waste of time and effort, especially when you aren't here for anything other than being a nuisance.
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>>4989 jewsus' followers stole his corpse from the tomb and cannibalized his rotting body in accordance with John 6:53-58: <Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever. Eucharist is ritual cannibalism in commemoration of this. Fuck off Christcuck. Suck of you niggerlovers
>>4997 It's probably some really angry shitskin from India based on the fact that in multiple threads he is crying over how Indo-Aryans were not smelly brown men
>>4929 Thought of this plenty of times actually. Christ to kike racial integrity is like Karl Marx to Aryan political worldview. Christ says that all races (niggers, Whites, arabs) are equal to that of the jew. I'd imagine why the jews, who are extremely racist, would hate him.
>>5008 >muh church fathers >muh experts >muh critics NO ONE CARES Jesus literally told his disciples to consume his flesh and drink his blood in order to gain eternal life. He was then crucified. Reports circulated that his body was missing. His body was never found. Likely consumed by his disciples. The disciples would retain their faith having consumed the flesh and blood of Jesus, filled with the zeal of faith and willing to die for their beliefs. A bunch of people at the same time were having hallucinations and dreams thinking they had seen an exalted Jesus, obviously in great distress over his death. (((Saul of Tarsus))) would mention this and inflate the number to some arbitrary amount and then millennia later retards like (you) would take them at face value when there is zero evidence except for some jew writing decades after Jesus died. <two concrete descriptions of (initiation) rites, in which infanticide played an important role, have survived. The first is located on a late-second-century Egyptian papyrus. The text is a fragment from a novel and recounts the ritual murder of a young boy. It features the youth’s heart being removed from his body. The heart is sprinkled with barley, sopped in oil, and subsequently served out to the participants of the initiation rite. Those present swear an oath, eat the heart, drink the blood, and, finally, engage in sexual intercourse with one another. <An infant covered over with meal, that it may deceive the unwary, is placed before him who is to be stained with their rites: this infant is slain by the young pupil, who has been urged on as if to harmless blows on the surface of the meal, with dark and secret wounds. Thirstily – O horror! – they lick up its blood; eagerly they divide its limbs. By this victim they are pledged together; with this consciousness of wickedness they are covenanted to mutual silence... "Mutual silence"? Cannibalism rumors were reported in France, Bithynia, Pontus, Rome, Egpyt - all across the Empire.
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>>5009 Yeah, exactly. From the perspective of racial survival, rejecting Jesus is entirely rational. jews realize that their jewish supremacy would be negated if they worshiped this hippie. This is why they nailed him to a cross. I literally can't blame them, and would have done the same. One has to be very naive to think that just because the jews reject this man and the anti-racial ideology built up around him, that therefore it is now good.
>>4982 The Kalevala has a lot of the most annoying kind of chirtscuckery, it's subtle and you can't be sure where it starts and ends. It's quite sad to me, but it's still a good book
>>4793 >>4794 >>4798 There is no such thing as a Demiurge, the concept of it and whether it is good or evil is a jewish trick. The universe is here, it is real, there is more to it than just what we can see hear, touch, taste and smell. There is no known creator, not even the gods truly know if or whether there even is one, most of the creation myths we have are us giving that role to whatever deity most fits because we see that this universe was created, but the creator is long gone or may never even have existed as some kind of thinking being. The universe and our existence in it is simply part of a great cycle that repeats patterns endlessly, no beginning or end is known or matters, the cycle goes on ad infinitum following the same rules it always has. Love this reality, and stop worrying about whether or not it's creator loves you or hates you, or made this as a trap or as some stupid test or some other fucking retarded idea about WHY this universe was created. Just live in it the best that you can, to the best of your abilities in accordance with the laws of the universe.
>>5021 > there is more to it than just what we can see hear, touch, taste and smell The experience of this is in fact one of the best 'proofs' that there is something even beyond the Demiurge, who is himself a part of the material universe. No matter the religion, descriptions of mystical experiences of ultimate Reality are almost entirely identical. In the Taittiriya Upanishad, Brahman or the Absolute is described as being of the nature of Truth / pure Being, Consciousness and Bliss (sat-chit-ananda). Islamic mystic Ibn Arabi described the nature of Allah as being wujud, wijdan and wajd - exactly the same as what sages were saying over a millennia previously. The Katha Upanishad says that Brahman is to only understood when comprehend by the thought "He is"—I understand this to mean that absolute Reality is pure existence, consisting of pure, infinite Consciousness. It cannot not exist. It is everything there is, ultimately, nothingness doesn't exist. Parmenides said this as well in the 6th century BCE. Plotinus described very similar things to all of this when he describes the process of 'Henosis', union with the ultimate Reality, with the Monad. And interestingly this exact subjective experience described in the paragraph above is experienced when on 5-MeO-DMT. All of this raises extremely interesting questions. >live in it the best that you can, to the best of your abilities in accordance with the laws of the universe. This is true.
>>5004 It possibly could be fascifist. He has videos where he tries to shill Christianity into fascism, along with Anglo butthurt and gets pissy when you are for White identity, against christcuckery, and refuse be sympathetic and about muh oppressed street shitters.
>>5053 >gets pissy when you are for White identity, against christcuckery, and refuse be sympathetic and about muh oppressed street shitters. He sounds like a total faggot. Why is it that so many of the people who make videos and write blogs are just total morons?
>>5053 Why would this streetpooper be into fascism and be like that? What was he supposed to be believing in?
>>5055 >Why is it that so many of the people who make videos and write blogs are just total morons? Because intellectualism is for retards and the internet makes you ghey. >>5065 One of the most common misconceptions of fascism on the right is that just anyone can be a European fascist. He must be one of those christcucks who think we are just reactionaries or become like them, but more "radical" when it comes to religion and politics. I think the type like him are just shills who want to ensure that we are Abrahamic cuckolds.
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>>5068 >Because intellectualism is for retards and the internet makes you ghey. Starting to think that is true. I guess now we see the reason why Fascism has always emphasized the primacy of action over thought, and why Yukio Mishima in time got tired of words and embraced the sun and steel.
>>5053 >>5055 >>5065 Fasicifist is a Street shitter who lives in germany and married a White woman, in flagrant violation of his own "Aryan" caste rules probably because he converted to, and shills relentlessly for, "Christain Aryanism"(basically Positive Christianity + the old testament and a decent helping of WE WUZ JEWS or BIBLE GUYS WAS NOT JEWS, either one) and has many allies in both the CI and CA circles on telegram and I am sure other places, that we cannot see for lack of interest in christcuckery.
>>5082 Kek, does he himself as an Aryan or something?
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>>5128 >It is a fact that Christianity has enhanced White civilization. Imagine believing this. White Civilization was already going strong centuries before Semitic religions started to be forced onto the population. Almost all Christian theology relied on things thought up by pagans such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus and many, many others centuries before Christianity even existed. If it was not for the philosophy of non-Christians Christianity would be an intellectual desert, just like Judaism and Islam would be as well without Hellenistic philosophy. >The Catholic church was the backbone of Europe for millenia. The Catholic Church was and is a corrupt institution which slaughtered Europeans for millennia and colonized and conquered Europe internally with force and Semitic fables. >It was the enlightenment that brought relativism and degeneracy to the world. The Enlightenment was carried out by devoted Christians. Modernity is merely secular Christcuckery. >The consensus of all the experts Classic christcucking here, only supporting academia when they support your narrative. You can't even debunk the theory without an appeal to authority from the same people who say that race isn't real, the Holocaust happened and that our ancestors miraculously crawled out of a chemical soup two billion years ago Jesus was a jew. This should be the end of the question. Your Semitic war-god has no place on this board. I cannot wait for the day when I drive nails through the hands of every one of you kike-worshipers. Die like your jew
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There is a concerted effort to shill Christianity going on here, everyone should have their eyes peeled. Before in this thread this poster was posting with an ID, but after he was caught samefagging in the Japan thread, he was banned and suddenly two days later a Christcuck reappears on Tor shilling all of the same points in multiple threads at the same time. He types like the same shill on Neuchan too.
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>>5136 Based also based mods. It's also very evident how fragile and childish these many of these people are being when the christcucks insult paganism, "pagans" don't really take any offense, on the other hand they get extremely riled up and offended because they know there's some truth to what we are discussing it's proto-marxist, crypto-jewish nature that only takes looking at Codex Theodonius to see what Christianity was about in it's early days, and knowing the history where their cult leader Pope stole the Roman empire's wealth when it fell(and then shortly after romans (((coincidentally))) started getting mixed because these weak greedy literally marxist jew hippies allowed invading Muslims into Europe unopposed for ages see:Siege of Belgrade et cetera) I also noticed a momentary spike on anon.cafe /christian/ board after the fags censored us. Might just be a coincidence though. Look at most the christian boards though, most of them with some exception couldn't even be racially conscious ethnocentric even if they tried. They give off the vibe of some slave deraciated people that does not even know or appreciate such things as who he is and that he is White, from special people who are the undeniably the greatest on this earth. They literally see criticisms of their religion as a personal attack on their being, not just an attack of an idea they believe in because they personally believe worshipping jews is so important, equally as important as something like Race(!!!!!!!!) >>5136 Maybe or its some butthurt individuals who can't handle the fact that we don't like their religion very much and are discussing exactly why because it hurts them we criticize it, (Gee almost as if its a bigger issue than race) It was the same thing on 8chan and 4chan years ago we also had problems with their cuck shit there, some of these retards would admit this shit openly when pressured to based anons that it's (((holyness))) (((faith))) and not race/being that that is important. Before they got their own bullshit death cult echo chambers up.
>>5136 >It's impossible that Christian White nationalists visit the board and feel compelled to express their ideas >it must be a concerted effort to shill Christianity >board is strongly against Christianity, but it is surprising Christians show up here and there to debate others trashing their religion >underground Christian shill farms are a thing >teams of paid/unpaid Christian shills... scouring the internet to find places of Christian hate to shill their religion
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>>5144 It's really impossible to tell whether most Christian posters are shills or if they are just zealous and butthurt about the fact that /fascist/ is one of the most redpilled boards on the Internet that I am aware of when it comes to the issue of the Christian question. Christianity is a deradicalizing force. In fact it's the last one they can try to spring on the redpilled White man before he becomes quite literally unstoppable. Many lesser people are wooed into Christianity because of the facade of 'conservative values' and the like, but it terrifies them when a White man sees right through and continues to push on, especially when he sidesteps other traps like (((modern science))) and (((materialism))) for paganism, calling out Yahweh as the foreskin demon that he is. Once a White man hits this stage there's no going back. The goyim know
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>>5145 >>underground Christian shill farms are a thing >>teams of paid/unpaid Christian shills... scouring the internet to find places of Christian hate to shill their religion You say this like it is far-fetched. On places like 4cuck there are little Christian bots that shit out the same threads over and over and post almost identical replies and images when poked. On top of this, we're talking about the religion which sends out missionaries en masse in association with numerous churches and charities to shill their jew on a stick to poor Third Worlders and other vulnerable people in order to spiritually / mentally enslave them. They want everyone in the world within their cult. If they're sending out people to Africa and Asia to shill for this shit in person it wouldn't surprise me if they did it all over the Internet as well. It's probably just zealous little church fags though
>>5145 The catholic dumbass that got deleted literally didn't make one single argument and would just write a giant big "N0000 I refuse UR WRONK!!!!!!" Anything is possible in clown world. See; Pope is almost openly a pedophile living in a special "vatican state" palace inside rome with a group of old men that almost openly rapes little boys who come forward to italian press as adults, while their chief licks a nigger feet on tv-- South Korean Christcuck organizations help smuggle people out of countries like north Korea, not to comment on whether that smuggling a good deed or not but these death cultists have their "holy" fingers in a lot of weird shit. >>5146
>>5153 >South Korean Christcuck organizations help smuggle people out of countries like north Korea, not to comment on whether that smuggling a good deed or not but these death cultists have their "holy" fingers in a lot of weird shit. Honestly North Koreans would've had a better life in South Korea. And yes I'll acknowledge that SK has its own problems too. Are they not just trying to help them better their life?
>>5175 North Koreans are constitutionally guaranteed healthcare, housing, jobs and education and are shielded from jewish social engineering. I’d say they have it better there. South Koreans are bombarded by hypersexualized K-pop, spend all of their time playing Starcraft and literally studying the Talmud in the school because the jews are apparently so special and wise. Many people in Seoul literally live in shitty shanty towns (pic related). Not to mention ZOG servicemen BLACK South Korean women just like they do in Okinawa. Pay special attention to the big neon torture instrument they nailed Jesus to in the second pic
I make the mistake of browsing Poal occasionally, it's almost wild how Christian shills work. Hardly any posts get like, a maximum of 10 upvotes from what I've seen, but whenever I see a comment about "wow these guys are gonna shoot White Christian Patriots", those said posts suddenly shoot up to like the 20's or near 30. They ALWAYS make sure to hammer in the fact that it's 'christian' more than anything. Make no mistake, abrahamism shills exist, and I like to think they're trying to cover as many underground spots as possible.
>>5192 >abrahamism shills exist, and I like to think they're trying to cover as many underground spots as possible. There's definitely a motive for doing so. Just think, how else could they 'deradicalize' us? Guilt-tripping me about 'hate' isn't going to work. Appealing to liberal slave morality isn't going to work. The only option left is to convince me that the creator of the universe wants me to turn the other cheek and to not resist evil, and that ultimately race is meaningless. It's quite tricky, actually. If I were a government spook I'd definitely be shilling hard for Christianity in White Nationalist circles.
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>>5175 >Are they not just trying to help them better their life? No, really as literal payment in return for saving them they literally demand them to worship jews/yaweh and go to church. >>5199 >There's definitely a motive for doing so. I know because I doxed some derad agent christcuck shill spic from Florida bothering us last year called niggerrick(real name: Jimmy Torres Velez) on Neinchan, his son, roach infested apartment, and had some fun with it. The spic dissapeared.
Mark Brahmin has done good work on this subject, building off of what Nietzsche established. Christianity was developed so that jews could feminize Aryans and make them subservient to jews. 2,000 years of Christian breeding has created the modern American White, a hopelessly stupid retard cheering for Israel to start an apocalyptic war to kill everyone. https://theapolloniantransmission.com/2019/04/09/the-cult-of-apollo-part-iii-apolloism-versus-christianity/
>>5202 >Christianity was developed so that jews could feminize Aryans That's a retarded theory. Christianity began as a movement by kikes for kikes. It was only with Paul that it began to look outward. Furthermore, one could argue that Christianity actually deradicalized the kikes rather than the other way around, since unlike other messianic movements it didn't gather around a militaristic messiah who promised to take back Judea.
>>5201 The current Christkike seems to write pretty differently from Niggerspick. Nice job for doxxing him, but it seems like other niggers have crept out of the woodwork.
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>>5203 It might not be as retarded as it seems. Before Paul, Christianity really didn't exist. That's important to remember, and I mean in the sense that there were no Gospels in written form, no letters that formed the foundation of the New Testament, etc. Paul didn't even ever use the term 'Christian'. He saw himself as simply a jew whose mission it was to convert the gentiles into his brand of Judaism with Jesus as the Messiah / Christ. It was only with Paul, some 20+ years after Jesus was killed that Paul showed up on the scene and began to form what was to become Christianity, separating it from the jewish law, etc (because gentiles didn't want to get their dicks cut and eat kosher) > Furthermore, one could argue that Christianity actually deradicalized the kikes rather than the other way around, since unlike other messianic movements it didn't gather around a militaristic messiah who promised to take back Judea. This might have some water to it. It seems like the jews by-and-large were resistant to the fact that Jesus could be the Messiah though. The rabbis knew they had to stop this before it got out of hand, so they started killing and persecuting jews who fell for the Jesus meme. And eventually they were successful, and by the time they were, Paul - a student of the greatest rabbis of his day - had successfully began to shill his brand of gentile-friendly Judaism among the slaves, women and subhumans of the Roman Empire. It's really like the jews played hot potato with this religion. They knew it was bad, so they passed it on to the gentiles as fast as they could >>5204 The big similarity is continuously talking about resurrection constantly. But I do think they're different.
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Christshill strikes again.
>>5210 Yeah, I don't think that Spic Rick knows how to write Japanese. Must be a different derad shill, possibly an (((NGO))) effort.
>>5199 Christianity does not say that race and nation are meaningless. For example, for the longest time Bob Jones University banned miscegnation. Christianity affirms the validity of nations; the Book of Acts says that God set the boundaries between peoples, and the ways in which God protected the jewish nation also affirm the idea of nationhood. There are more universalist passages, but they are about the equal dignity and salvation of man before Christ, and are not intended to erase the concept of a nation.
>>5231 It's almost surely jewgle-translated. >>5232 >Christianity does not say that race and nation are meaningless. Yes it does. Ironically you faggots can never quote scripture in support of your nonsense. Matthew 6:19-21 tells you to store up treasure in heaven and not on Earth, due to the fact that everything on Earth does not last and is ephemeral compared to the things of heaven. The entire book of Ecclesiastes is literally about how meaningless and vain everything is. Isaiah 40:15 says that the nations (goyim) are like a drop in the bucket, just fine dust to God. They're utterly worthless, less than nothing (Isaiah 40:17). So it's clear that worldly life is meaningless and that the nations are worth nothing to God. God despises anything beautiful and intelligent because he wants no one to boast before him (1 Corinthians 1:27-29). GOD CHOSE NIGGERS, RETARDS AND FREAKS ABOVE THE BEAUTIFUL, STRONG, WHITE ARYANS BECAUSE HE DOES DOESN'T WANT THEM TO BOAST. God says that there are no jews, women, slaves, free, Greeks or anything because they're all in a mystical body of Christ (Galatians 3:28). Christianity tells you to envision yourself as the "bride of Christ" in Ephesians 5. CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE LITERALLY SAYS THAT YOU SHOULD THINK OF YOURSELF LIKE A SUBMISSIVE WIFE TO A RABBI Christians should be lined up and shot
>>5234 >GOD CHOSE NIGGERS, RETARDS AND FREAKS ABOVE THE BEAUTIFUL, STRONG, WHITE ARYANS BECAUSE HE DOES DOESN'T WANT THEM TO BOAST Are Aryans the only humans who are beautiful and strong? It's to note that other races should empower themselves from their own religions.
>>5240 They can be to an extent in their own way, but read the verse that I referenced and you'll see that Yahweh is a literal god of subhumans, favoring the foolish and weak over what would be the best specimens of his alleged creation.
>>5206 >The big similarity is continuously talking about resurrection constantly. But I do think they're different. It's important note that the resurrection is the big talking point for Christkike apologists, including people like William Lane Craig and Gary Habermas. Without the resurrection, there would be no reason to believe in Christcuckery over Judaism or Islam or any other theistic religion, including traditionally White religions. It's the resurrection that pushes the needle towards Judaism 2.0 in particular.
>>5252 >I am a Chinese person, use TOR to leap wall and look at this image board. Good. Next time stay in your wall; we don't want or need any more yellow rice niggers. >My family lives in the countryside, here evangelization activities are very active, and the government does not really restrict it, we all believe in Christianity, but still love the motherland and love traditional culture. Good for you. You're still allowed to enjoy your culture on a superficial, aesthetic level while the jews use all sorts of (((modern ideologies))), including (((modern Evangelicalism))), to paralyze you as they suck your country dry. >We read the Bible, must look at the whole, not look at one part. And the whole of it is jewish pilpul through and through. >The Bible's Galatians 3:28 and other passage are not negate the existence of peoples, but rather point that Jesus goes beyond race, gender, etc. The same passage also points to gender, but everybody knows Christianity holds traditional gender idea, reject some feminism etc. ideologies. In same way, Christian faith supports every nation's equal dignity, but does not negate the importance of nations. Pilpul, pilpul, pilpul. There are some more conservative churches that ban women pastors and so on, but moderate to liberal Christianity has been the backbone of (((feminism))) for decades now. Even modern-day (((conservatives))) are feminist by more historical standards. Evangelicals are fine with birth control and so on, to take an example. It is feminism that has to a great extent contributed to our pathetically low birth rates. Don't grovel at the jew's feet asking for forgiveness and repentance now that you believe in the jew God, White man. Don't be one of sheep as the Bible commands you. Wake up!
>>5256 Don’t respond to this shill. He’s been active daily in several threads and was IP-banned, hence why he is posting on Tor now haha
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CHRISTIANITY IS A HOAX 1/2 When one really goes and looks at the timeline, it's exceedingly obvious that the religion of Christianity is one of the greatest psyops ever perpetrated. Christianity was the revenge of the Eternal jew for centuries of gentile (esp. European) occupation, domination and oppression. In 333/332 BCE Alexander the Great conquered Israel and the surrounding areas. This was the beginning of centuries of European domination of the jews, with only a few interruptions. Even the kings who would rule the jews from Egypt (Ptolemaic Kingdom) and the Middle East (Seleucids) were all Greeks. In 198 BCE the Seleucids took control over Israel. By the 170s the Seleucids began to apply pressure on the jews to renounce their religion and to assimilate to a fully Greek culture. Up to this point jews had accepted a modest degree of Hellenization, learning Greek language and culture, allowing Greek gymnasiums to be built in Jerusalem, etc. But now things began to change. Antiochus IV Epiphanes decided to install the Aryan god Zeus in the jewish temple. He also banned people from partaking in the sabbath, he banned all jewish festivals, he banned people from confessing to be jews. Judaism was completely banned on the penalty of death. 2 Maccabees 6:10 records how two women who chopped their newborns' penises in accordance with barbaric jewish customs were hurled off a wall for their actions. Unable to subvert the goyim, unable to suck the blood out of the penises of baby boys, the jews began to sperg out, hard. In 167 BCE the jews began waging war against the Aryan occupiers. Freedom was achieved by 142 BCE. Fast-forwarding to 63 BCE the Roman Pompey once again subjugates the jews and rules them through client-states. Reacting against the still-present influences of Hellenization, the Pharisees began to appear around 110 BCE, before the Romans even came. Their name literally means 'separated ones'. These were jews who led the charge for jews to live particularly holy lives, to resist Hellenization, and to distinguish jewish culture from foreign, gentile influences. They were popular among the people, and no friend of Rome, but crucially the Pharisees did not support open rebellion against Rome. In this sense they are equivalent to the quietist Salafis in Saudi Arabia who try to be apolitical and not resist the Saudi state which they believe to have gone astray. The radical Salafists are the Jihadis, the ones who resist. These were the Zealots among the jews, who wanted freedom for the jews and supported open conflict. In 4 CE a Zealot named Judas led a revolt in Sepphoris, only a few miles from Nazareth, Jesus' hometown. He was proclaimed king by some. The Romans responded by destroying the town and selling many of the inhabitants into slavery. In 40 CE a jew named Theudas claimed to be a prophet and attempted to protest taxes imposed by the Romans. Romans put this down violently. In 66 CE the jewish zealots launched their first major rebellion against the Romans, leading to the destruction of the temple in 70 CE and the imposition of the fiscus Judaicus (literally a 'jew tax). Josephus claims that a million jews died in Jerusalem and 100,000 enslaved as a result of these events. This is likely exaggerated, as they are prone to doing, but it shows the extent of their butthurt.
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CHRISTIANITY IS A HOAX 2/2 Now during this period of resistance to gentile occupation, mysteriously, some two decades after the death of Jesus, a Pharisee with Roman citizenship (i.e. of the sect of those resistant to Hellenization and Roman rule) named Saul believes he is appointed by Jesus to spread Judaism unto the goyim. New writings about Jesus began appear in the decades after Saul's work. All of these writings are written decades after Jesus died in Greek, the language of international communication and the gentiles. The oldest gospel, the Gospel of Mark is traced back to roughly 70 CE - the same year the Temple was destroyed. Matthew is written around 80-90 CE and draws off Mark. Luke-Acts appears at the same time, perhaps slightly later, so some time between 80-100 CE. John appears at 90-110 CE. All of these epistles from Saul precede the Gospels by decades and were being sent to European cities across the Empire. Later epistles still put under the name of Paul continue even after his death. Paul could have been the name assumed by a cabal of Pharisees, even. During all of this, the struggle between jewry and Aryandom wages on. Between 115-117 the jewish diaspora began to revolt in the Kitos War. 460,000+ Roman citizens are slaughtered by jews in the Eastern Mediterranean. In Cyprus the jew Artemion leads the jews on this island to kill 240,000 Greeks. For generations afterwards jews would be completely banned from stepping on Cyprian soil due to these events, being killed on sight. In Libya, the massares committed by the jews were so savage that the countryside was quite literally depopulated. The original 1906 jewish Encyclopedia stated on the Cyrene massacres: < By this outbreak Libya was depopulated to such an extent that a few years later new colonies had to be established there (Eusebius, "Chronicle" from the Armenian, fourteenth year of Hadrian). http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4826-cyrene Even the Kitos War was not the end. In 132 to 136 there was the Bar Kokhba revolt in Judea. Here Hadrian utterly devestates jewry. As Wikipedia says "580,000 jews killed, 50 fortified towns and 985 villages razed; "many more" jews dead as a result of famine and disease." jews were quite literally banned from entering Jerusalem, and the entire city was renamed. So what we have here is decades and decades and decades of struggle between jewish nationalists and an Aryan Empire. Millions of people were dying. Christians don't like to address these things. Without this subtext it might not make sense why one would want to subvert gentiles with Christianity. In the midst of this bloodbath a cabal of jews begins spreading a message of 'turn the other cheek' and 'resist not evil' to the gentiles of the Roman Empire, spreading like wildfire among women, slaves, subhumans and all other sorts of human garbage. It's an entirely rational hypothesis, and after writing this it seems to me clearer than ever. Some of you probably knew this, but let it serve as a reminder next time a Christcuck tries to pilpul you. They are peddling two millennia old jewish war psyops.
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>>5280 >>5282 Nicely summarized. Capped for future use.
>>5288 Glad you liked it. I had fun writing it up. Been wondering if I should make a blog or something at some point for these sort of things. I've gotten decent reception for my other anti-Christian posts here. Never tried anything like that though.
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Can someone got this book ? I read the review by Kevin McDonald and it's pretty cool, just like this thread but summarized in one book. https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/04/27/review-of-david-skirbinas-the-jesus-hoax-how-st-pauls-cabal-fooled-the-world-for-two-thousand-years/
>>5291 It doesn't appear to be online yet. I became aware of this book a week or two ago myself, though, and will be buying within a month probably. If it's not online by the time I buy it and read it I'll scan that shit and post it here. Interestingly that is the same guy that put together the first collection of Kaczynski writings if I'm not mistaken. I had no idea that he was so redpilled
>>5301 Hopefully it won't get removed or anything. Looks like it has been up for a while though
Christcucks are dumb, but a good amount seem to be anti-kike. If we could use them as useful idiots, then I don't see the reason why we can't shepherd (no pun intended) them into fighting for us. Hitler seemed into the idea of "Positive Christianity". He definitely knew the Aryan Cosmogany and the Aryan deities, but to create a theological schism right now would prove too damaging for the Aryan movement. I was watching this "God Hates Video Games" sermon that popped in my jewtube feed and the pastor was directly talking about jew-owned studios and it blew me away of how up front he was. Perhaps we can use Christian jew-hatred to some degree.
>>5314 >God Hates Video Game Most memes are related to vidya. And imageboard culture has vidya in it.
>>5314 You have to understand that usually what happens is we discuss using our language, some invested christcucks come in, start yelling and acting up tell us what 'pagan assholes' we are for daring to even discuss history, the fundemental discrepancies and harmful literary anti-racial cultural marxist dogma of their irracial desert religion, rinse repeat all the way since 8chan. Our insults are quite literally banter tier but as with our actual arguments Christians will never address them, literally all they do is ignore us when we tell them to get their shit together believing in a book that DEMANDS cuckdom like anti violence, equality, a religion that worships jews. A lot of them just refuse, we tell them either to believe something else, remake their religion(not fucking retarded shit like we wuz da jooz), or at the very least start believing in the most White version. Almost always they lose face and go away after saying "Omg! Fucking pagunz!! -- U're going to hell!!1111"(lol) They actually run away because they don't want to have an honest conversation about this, many of them also run away because it clearly appears that the desert religion is more important than their race, which is an incredibly big problem.
>>5317 Wannabe believer here. Not really into the Abrahamism thing and haven't really read the entire bible yet but i noticed something with niggers and their understanding of "Christianity". >1.)They believe in god and have a personal cuck bible but can't read due to low IQ. >2.)They larp as christian yet never do the things they preach (subhumanism) >3.)They are very anti White but still larp as a christian so it can make them feel somehow "better". Every nigger that preaches bible verses always contradicts themselves. and every single christcuck nigger loves sucking yid feet. They have two favorite philosophies "White people" and "muh dik". Nothing else. They are human toys for kikes and if they knew that their huwite boogeyman was actually a kike then they would shut the fuck up and go back to africa. (but they can't because deep down they know they cant live without Whites)
>Christcucks are dumb, but a good amount seem to be anti-kike. Christcucks cannot truly be anti-kike for they not only believe and practice a jewish religion but their supremacy and spirituality as well. Christcuckolds will only openly announce that they dislike or disapprove of the "new jews". Christians and their crusades against the jewry has only and always been about replacing the kikes as the better jews that they think of themselves as just like their prophet (((Jesus))) who only wanted a reformation. The belief of being against jews is an oxymoron when it comes to Islam and Christianity.
>>5316 Memes and "imageboard culture" (culture can only be developed by a group of ethnically congruent people living in one place for at least more than a century) are hindrances at best and total poison at worst. The average productivity of a White man can be increased tenfold if he simply cut video games (which are exclusively made by jews or homosexual japs) out of his life.
>>5314 The thing about “Positive Christianity” is that it failed in the end, though. The inclusion of Positive Christianity into the original NSDAP program was almost certainly added in as yet another sign that they were anti-Bolshevism and anti-atheist, which were major issues at the time. Germany was also 95%+ Christian at the time. I’m not saying that it was purely Machiavellian, but even in how the party program talks about Christianity makes it clear that they wanted it subordinated to the state and not harmful to the Volk. Today Christians are utilizable to an extent. I just talked with a Christian IRL for five or six hours about jews and related topics and due to my influence he is now highly woke to the JQ, but not fully on board. The average Christian might not be as receptive though. I’ve been gradually redpilling for a few months. Posting anti-jew content is always good, but for Christians it’s inherently limited, as >>5323 says. >>5320 Not just niggers, but almost all Christians fall under (1) and (2) funnily enough. Most of them believe that Jesus ‘fulfilled’ the Law and now all they have to do to be saved from hellfire is to have faith in Jesus and nothing else. Suggesting that they have to do anything else is putting works above faith, which is anti-Jesus and anti-Christian. Some of these retards think a child-molester would instantly be saved from hell because of ‘faith’ despite being a subhuman freak while pagans would be burning in hellfire
I read about "St. Bartholomew's Day massacre" and "Thirty Years War". Is there is more of such conflicts started by christians/jews which resulted in dead of millions of White people ?
>>5334 >The Albigensian Crusade or the Cathar Crusade [...] was a 20-year military campaign initiated by Pope Innocent III to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc, in southern France. >At least 200,000 to at most 1,000,000 Cathars killed >Considered by many historians to be an act of genocide against the Cathars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade >A boy begins to preach in either France or Germany; claims that he had been visited by Jesus, who instructed him to lead a Crusade in order to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity. >he gains a following of up to 30,000 children >He leads his followers south towards the Mediterranean Sea, in the belief that the sea would part on their arrival, which would allow him and his followers to walk to Jerusalem. This does not happen. The children are sold to two merchants (Hugh the Iron and William of Posqueres), who give free passage on boats to as many of the children as are willing. The pilgrims are then either taken to Tunisia, where they are sold into slavery by the merchants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade >The sack of Constantinople occurred in April 1204 and marked the culmination of the Fourth Crusade. Crusader armies captured, looted, and destroyed parts of Constantinople, then the capital of the Byzantine Empire. > 2,000 Greek civilians killed by Crusaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople >The Massacre of Verden was an event during the Saxon Wars where the Frankish king Charlemagne ordered the death of 4,500 Saxons in October 782. Charlemagne claimed suzerainty over Saxony and in 772 destroyed the Irminsul, an important object in Saxon paganism, during his intermittent thirty-year campaign to Christianize the Saxons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden >The French Wars of Religion were a prolonged period of war and popular unrest between Catholics and Huguenots (Reformed/Calvinist Protestants) in the Kingdom of France between 1562 and 1598. It is estimated that three million people perished in this period from violence, famine, or disease in what is considered the second deadliest religious war in European history (surpassed only by the Thirty Years' War, which took eight million lives) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion >The German Peasants' War, Great Peasants' War or Great Peasants' Revolt (German: Deutscher Bauernkrieg) was a widespread popular revolt in some German-speaking areas in Central Europe from 1524 to 1525. It failed because of intense opposition from the aristocracy, who slaughtered up to 100,000 of the 300,000 poorly armed peasants and farmers >the war consisted of a series of both economic and religious revolts in which peasants and farmers, often supported by Anabaptist clergy, took the lead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants%27_War
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Schizo theory: the end-goal of Abrahamism is the manifestation of Yahweh on Earth. It doesn't even matter if Yahweh even exists, the jews are going to create him. The end-goal of the jews is the create a super-advanced form of artificial intelligence that will be a man-made God. An all-seeing eye, able to enforce its will and to dominate the entire planet. Social credit is a step towards this, as is mass-surveillance. Either the jews will create an artificial-intelligence with this power, or the Yahweh entity will manifest on Earth in disguised as an AI.
>>5476 Doesn't sound all that Schizo.
>>5476 This isn't schizo, because this is what transhumanism is all about in the first place.
I hate that my parents named me after a character in the bible. Can other goys relate?
>>5482 I’m named after Bible jews as well. I don’t really resent it though. I will make sure my children will have non-jewish names though and hopefully that will be the end of it
>>5153 Intellectually pathetic. The posts that the jannies shoah'd contained very strong arguments that received no response other than an obviously contrived conspiracy theory that no expert on any side of the debate believes in. This only further proves that Christianity is true.
This user was banned.
>>5492 I hate to call attention to shill-posting, but this is just so blatantly jewish that it's worth showing everyone. The same guy who is shilling for Christianity ITT is shilling for men to crossdress in defiance of 'arbitrary gender roles' in the Japan thread.
>>5494 lel
>>5513 >Daily reminder that atheists can provide no satisfactory account of how Christianity formed without the resurrection. Your daily reminder is objectively shit, and the alternate hypothesis is in the below book and all over the below blog. https://hojaseliminadas.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/fair-race-15-sep-20.pdf https://chechar.wordpress.com/ The alternative hypothesis is that the jew you worship didn't exist, and that the entirety of the christian psyop was created by the talmud oral tradition following Gamaliel, Paul, Mark and other collaborators considering how easy it is to prove that they literally just copied the Homeric epics to create the story of Jesus. Gamaliel, is to this day considered the greatest Rabbi of all time, basically, with a special title and all.
>>5513 >Daily reminder that atheists can provide no satisfactory account of how Christianity formed without the resurrection. Cannibalism for eternal life. Christians have believed for millennia that they are literally consuming the blood and flesh of Jesus (transubstantiation). This is not a remembrance of the Last Supper, but of the disciples supper made of Jesus himself. This hypothesis is supported by pagan accusations against Christians in multiple sources, it is supported by the words of Jesus himself, and it is a hypothesis which explains where Jesus' body went (the empty tomb) and the fact that the disciples still had faith in Christ following his crucifixion. It explains literally all of the facts. THE CANNIBAL THEORY IS THE ONLY VIABLE THEORY
>>5532 >>5533 Confirmed samefag? You were shitting on Christianity and now you're shilling it. >>1819 >>1822 >>1683
>>5534 Well look at that. Isn’t that interesting!
>>5534 Those posts are from a long time ago, so they're probably not the same person. I'd assume that it's because they're both using Tor/VPN and they ended up with the same exit node.
>>5536 Yeah, uh huh, sure.
>>5534 >Oy vey goy please let me make wild accusations! I hope you don't understand how IPs and Tor work! The shills have multiple different IDs, so they're using Tor. So if a few posters from a month ago also had the same ID, they're probably unrelated (happening to have the same IP address). It has been established that the shill did jump onto Tor after he got IP banned. See >>5136 For all we know, you're the shill trying to confuse the Admins into deleting useful posts. I don't see anything suspicious about the older posts.
>>5538 Calling you out for an obvious samefag isn't jewish. I don't see why there would be any Christian posters on here when this board shits on them 24/7. Own up and admit you were being a massive faggot.
>>5543 Nobody is saying that the Christkike posters aren't kiked. But the growing consensus appears to be that you're a nigger who doesn't know how TOR exit nodes work. Hence why Admin didn't remove the older posts, which have no shilling content and are written in a completely different style to the Christcuck posts.
It’s confirmed to be the Nein shill at this point who is extremely assmad ITT >>5534 >>5537 >>5543 While it’s theoretically possible that it could be the same person, looking at the info provided to me as the BO on posts, the ID in question is tied to a use of Tor. The reason there is an ID is because whoever posted it was not using the onion site
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>>5546 If it's a single shill or group of shills who were first on Nein and are now on here, moving from site to site, then I guess there's no NGO/jewish involvement after all. It looks like small scale trolling.
>>5548 There’s no way to really tell. Could be spooks, could be a troll. I find it all fairly amusing either way.
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>>5494 Nice, adding this to the pile >>5550 Nice try Eli, have some more
>>5553 >try to be ‘based’ on /pol/ (among the goyim) >act just like Christcucks IRL among themselves What a shocker! Taqiyya is a pan-Abrahamic practice, it turns out.
obvious falseflag
Dr. David Skrbina, author of 'The Jesus Hoax' had an interview with Adam Green. Pretty interesting. https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Jesus-Hoax-Interview:c
>>5518 >THE CANNIBAL THEORY IS THE ONLY VIABLE THEORY <lookatthisfaggot.jpg Christkikery is nonsense, but there's no basis to support the Cannibal theory, much less to call it the only viable theory. There are many other promising theories, including the cognitive dissonance theory. >This hypothesis is supported by pagan accusations against Christians in multiple sources Look at how you're now calling it a mere hypothesis. If it's just a hypothesis, it's not the only viable theory. These early pagan accusations are salacious nonsense that bear no resemblance to the image of the early Church presented by historical records, such as early church documents. Also, the pagan accusations do not deal with Jesus's body itself, but are instead distorted accounts of the Eucharist. >it is supported by the words of Jesus himself, Nope, it's not. The Eucharist as a symbolic event with bread and wine was established as early as the Pauline epistles. The Bread of Life discourse occurs later on in John 6. Thus, it must be interpreted symbolically in light of the other verses on the Eucharist unless you have extraordinary evidence to support such a strained reading. >it is a hypothesis which explains where Jesus' body went (the empty tomb) Vis-à-vis the empty tomb it's the same as the stolen body theory, since it's simply stolen body + eaten body. By occam's razor, the general stolen body theory is necessarily more likely than a single subset of it (the stolen + eaten body theory) >and the fact that the disciples still had faith in Christ following his crucifixion It doesn't explain this very well. How could they have believed that Jesus had appeared to them alive if his bones were right in front of him and they had eaten him?
>>5565 >It's extremely obvious here that the admins are losing control of the narrative. This thread is barren except for a few evidently schizo theories about how the apostles ate Jesus's body, theories that do not explain the sincerity of the apostles nor the impossibility of mass hallucinations. The kikes literally believed that eating Jesus would give them eternal life. Try again. >In order to protect these failing theories, the admins have to delete the multitude of posts by various users that have successfully discredited anti-Christian nonsense multiple times. <Butt-blasted shills get BTFO'd <Muh "various users" <Hope they don't notice my samefaggery.png Try better next time, schlomo.
>>5567 >If this theory was so certain, why is it that none of the experts, not even the atheist experts, accepts it? The (((experts))) do their (((research))) based on the kiked assumptions of academia, using the kiked data of academia, for the kiked goals of academia. The disagreement between the experts is controlled opposition. No expert would dare to step out of line on, say, the Holocaust. The same goes here. Christian universities literally have their professors sign a statement of belief so that they can't contradict biblical literalism. That's not an environment conducive to the type of free discourse that would expose Christianity for what it is. >why aren't other fascists supporting this theory either? I'm not the same guy as >>5518, so I'd guess that multiple people on this board do support this theory. >It's based on a cartoonish conception of the early Christians as total nutjobs who would cannibalize their own religious leader. This is not bourne out by the lucidity and depth of Christian teaching, which could not be the product of a group of deranged people. <Turn teh other cheek, goy <Substitutionary atonement instead of justice based on responsibility <doubt.png >How did the apostles manage to steal the body in the first place? The jewish counternarrative recounted in Matthew shows that both the jews and Christians presumed that the tomb was guarded. There's no guarantee that Matthew recorded the jewish narrative accurately. Also, many early anti-Christian narratives presumed the truth of part of the Christian narrative because it was a time when people were less skeptical. (c.f. the rumor that roman soldier Pantera was Jesus's father, which still presumes that Joseph was Jesus's father) So it could be that what Matthew recorded was in fact a jewish response to Christian allegations about an empty tomb, without necessarily implying knowledge of the empty tomb. Indeed, it's suspicious that the empty tomb first explicitly appears in Mark. >If the apostles were lying, why were they willing to be persecuted for their own lies? Paul's own letters testify to his persecution! It could be hallucinations. Or it could be like Joseph Smith and the other early Mormon witnesses who were willing to be tarred and feathered. > If the apostles had hallucinations, how did these hallucinations affect multiple people (more than 500?) as recounted by the very early creed in 1 Corinthians 15? The over 500 meme is based on a single verse that's not corroborated anywhere else. For all we know it was a later interpolation, or an errant rumor that made it into Paul's letters. With the mass appearance to 500 gone and the more detailed decriptions of Jesus eating and passing through walls being limited to the later gospels only, hallucinations become a much more plausible explanation.
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Notice how angry Christcucks are getting over the cannibal theory. I think this might be an extremely promising theory with great explanatory power. The shills are going ballistic. >>5564 >Vis-à-vis the empty tomb it's the same as the stolen body theory, since it's simply stolen body + eaten body. By occam's razor, the general stolen body theory is necessarily more likely than a single subset of it (the stolen + eaten body theory) Obviously it's similar to the stolen body hypothesis in some respects, but it's also very different if you think about it. The stolen body hypothesis relies on the idea that the disciples were doing this out of 'pious deceit'. The cannibal hypothesis has much greater explanatory power in that it explains why the body was taken from the tomb, and that the disciples were in earnest carrying out the commands of their rabbi. There was no deceit! Occam's razor doesn't apply, as we are not unnecessarily positing things that are unneeded. The cannibal theory is supported by scripture, explains why the body would even disappear, and explains the continued faith of the closest followers of Jesus even in the event of his crucifixion and death. >It doesn't explain this very well. How could they have believed that Jesus had appeared to them alive if his bones were right in front of him and they had eaten him? That's because you're thinking like a retarded materialist who believes he is only is body. The rest of your points are irrelevant, because the theory ultimately does not rest on whether the average Christian was consuming the literal flesh and blood of babies or anything. I would not count it out though, as I have not completely researched it yet. This theory will need to be developed, especially seeing how much anger it is arousing in Christcucks. In J. Plescia's article on the persecution of early Christians, he makes it clear how much hatred for the human race Christians were seen to have: <Now, the Christians were considered as a very zealous sect of Judaism. The charges moved against the jews, in general, fell upon the Christians with the aggravation of, shall we say, fanaticism. Thus, the charge of atheism was more grievous against the Christians than it was against the jews, because while these had at least some sacrifices, the Christians had none ; similarly in regard to misanthropy. The Christians, furthermore, shunned festivals, public games and public religious holidays. the Christians were more reserved than the jews. In short, they were seen as even more radical and dangerous jews by the pagan Romans. Knowing how jews throughout history have kidnapped gentile children, mutilated them and drank their blood, it would not be impossible for Christians to have done the same thing in some cases against the Rome they so hated and despised. THE DISCIPLES CONSUMED THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF THEIR RABBI YESHUA EUCHARIST IS RITUAL CANNIBALISM
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>>5494 hahahahahah holy shit
While watching this thread, I saw a bunch of samefagging shills trying to call the board owner a kike, only to be promptly deleted a few seconds later. Could the board owner help shed some light on why this might be happening?
>>5584 >why are shills being deleted for samefagging and falseflagging Gee I wonder why
>>5584 BO literally explained what type of kike trickery was going on a few posts above. Now go crying for your crossdressing ass being banned and deleted somewhere else, disgusting well poisoner. P.S. BO, remember when I told you the shills would have tried to spread discord between you and anons trying to frame you as dishonest? Well here they are, still angry for not being able to effectively ruin this community. Keep up the good work, BO.
>>5569 my understanding of the Last Supper and Communion is that the bread & wine represents Jesus' flesh and blood, and through transubtantiation, symbolically becomes equivalent. if the Disciples cannibalized Jesus' body, that would be taking the doctrine literally. this is a really interesting theory.
>>5611 >my understanding of the Last Supper and Communion is that the bread & wine represents Jesus' flesh and blood, and through transubtantiation, symbolically becomes equivalent. This is the thing though, the 'symbolic' interpretation of the Eucharist is not the one that was present in the early church from what I can see. Transubstantiation is apparently something very specific, i.e. the doctrine holding that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are literally transformed into the body and blood of Jesus. There is often talk of the 'real presence' of Jesus in it, and stuff. For example we can see Augustine say: <The faithful understand what I am saying; they know Christ in the breaking of bread. For, not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ becomes the Body of Christ. https://archive.org/details/fathersofthechur009512mbp/page/n247/mode/2up?q=becomes John of Damascus: <the bread itself and the wine are changed into God’s body and blood <just as in nature the bread by the eating and the wine and the water by the drinking are changed into the body and blood of the eater and drinker, and do not become a different body from the former one, so the bread of the table and the wine and water are supernaturally changed by the invocation and presence of the Holy Spirit into the body and blood of Christ, and are not two but one and the same. https://ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209/npnf209.iii.iv.iv.xiii.html Justin Martyr: <we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus." http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html That link above contains many similar quotes Tertullian: <Then, having taken the bread and given it to His disciples, He made it His own body, by saying, "This is my body," that is, the figure of my body. A figure, however, there could not have been, unless there were first a veritable body https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03124.htm Here is what happened later though: <During the Protestant Reformation, the doctrine of transubstantiation was heavily criticised as an Aristotelian "pseudophilosophy"[35] imported into Christian teaching and jettisoned in favor of Martin Luther's doctrine of sacramental union, or in favor, per Huldrych Zwingli, of the Eucharist as memorial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation >if the Disciples cannibalized Jesus' body, that would be taking the doctrine literally. And given the fact that most of the evidence even from a quick search seems to confirm that the earliest major figures in the church indeed believed that the bread and wine somehow transformed into the bread and blood of Jesus when blessed, it is not a huge stretch to believe that at one point, i.e. the apparent climax of the entire life of Jesus, his crucifixion, that there was once a Eucharist that literally consumed his blood and flesh.
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METHODS OF SUPPRESSING CHRISTIANITY IN JAPAN Active and sustained government suppression of Christianity in Japan during the Tokugawa period dates from 1612 until the end of the 1630s. In less than a half century, Christianity was effectively annihilated in Japan due to the ingenious tactics of the Shogunate. It really goes to show how deadly the threat of Abrahamism seemed to a culture that had not come intact with desert religions prior to the 1540s. An official ban on Christianity was first proclaimed in April 1612, but the active policy of suppression was to begin two years later when the shogun appointed a Grand Anti-Christian Inquisitor (Tsuihō sōbugyō 追放総奉行) Ōkubo Tadachika before he was immediately dispatched to Kyoto, where upon arriving he had the churches destroyed and the Catholic priests sent to Nagasaki for exile. More importantly, Ōkubo launched a grand scale movement described as ‘Christian revision’ (kirishitan aratame キリシタン改め). The document Bateren tsuihō no fumi that began the persecution in earnest announced the general destruction of Christianity in these words: <Japan, land of the Gods and the Buddhas, reveres the Gods, respects the Buddhas, fulfils the Way of Benevolence and Justice, and implements the laws of good and evil. [...] Those Christian Priests and their party all oppose the articles of the law. They hate and doubt the Way of the Gods, they ridicule the True Law [Buddhist Dharma], they discard Justice and ruin Goodness. They look at the example of a criminal [Jesus], and become excited, blindly running after him. They themselves pray to him and offer him sacrifice. This is what they take as the object of reverence and salvation in their religion! How is this not heresy? In fact, it is the enemy of the Gods and the enemy of the Buddhas. Crucially, and presciently, the document states: <If we do not swiftly prohibit it now, then in the future the nation will suffer. We must enact the law. If we do not control it, then we invite the punishment of Heaven. Without rest, we must swiftly sweep it from all the territories and lands of the Japanese state. One tactic of the revision that was used to suppress Christianity was the temple registration system (danka seido 檀家制度). This system morphed into an institutionalized system of social control over the entire Japanese population, continuing until the late 19th century. Japanese people of all classes were required to register with a Buddhist temple or Shinto shrine. Practices such as fumi-e (踏絵) were also introduced, requiring villagers suspected of Christainity to tread on crosses and likenesses of the Virgin Mary in order to demonstrate their non-Christian credentials and loyalty. Eventually, the Christian problem was judged so severe that in 1635 the Sakoku Edict had to be issued by shogun Tokugawa Iemitsu, quite literally quarantining Japan from the outside world until 1854, over two hundred years later. Japanese people were not permitted to leave the country. Anyone who left, or anyone who left and came back were killed. Europeans entering illegally would also be killed. Christianity was again forbidden, people were encourged to report Christians to the government, and Christians were tortured and executed upon discovery. Even this could not end the problem completely. Christians began to revolt in 1637 in what would be called the Shimabara Rebellion. Catholic peasants began to resist the Tokugawa Shogunate, and were almost completely exterminated after they holed themselves up in Hara Castle. The leader of the rebellion and an estimated 37,000+ rebels were beheaded, and Christianity ceased to be a problem for centuries. Thus the basic ways to destroy Abrahamism for Japan were: >prohibit the religion >centralize the suppression methods >control the population >require religious tests like fumi-e >isolate the country from the influence of the religion >encourage the population to rat out Christians >kill those who resist Much to learn here. Part two will go over Japanese responses to Christianity.
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Suzuki Shōsan’s Hakirishitan (Smash the Christians) Beginning by agreeing that Shinto and Buddhism represent the traditional customs of Japan, Shōsan moves on to argue that traditions of political society, and the order that emerges from them, are elements of nature: <The one Buddha of thusness (shinnyo 真如, the nature of reality) transforms and is then accepted into the minds of men. So the mind [of men] which respects and reveres the gods is [also] transmitting this one Buddha. For instance, respecting and revering the sovereign, beginning with the vassals and ministers, step by step down to the local officials and then to the peasants, this respect of each relevant official at each level is the ordained Law [Dharma of the Buddha]. This is the righteousness of each person respecting one person above them. How can teachings like Christianity, which posit just one person above [all] to respect, using no subordinates [as representatives], be considered correct? Here Shōsan argues that the current political order is ‘originated by the gods and transmitted down through the traditions of this country’, and that thereby through tradition and custom, the ‘one Buddha of thusness’, the mind of current existence, is (should be) linked to the political order. Between above and below, between the gods and the people, social custom and the political order stand as mediators. The major point of Shōsan’s criticism is that in Christian teachings this level of demarcated step-by-step mediation does not exist. The Christians, in Shōsan’s view, by ignoring the ordained nature of political custom transmitted through tradition, thereby ignore the nature of reality (shinnyo 真如) <The Buddha of their country [Christ of the European countries] is not a Buddha. It has no history and no divine virtues. Its crimes are terrible. The punishments of Heaven, the Buddha, the gods and of man must all be visited upon them. Every one of them [the Christians] needs to be strung up and killed. NEO-CONFUCIAN PHILOSOPHER HAYASHI RAZAN'S ATTACKS ON FOREIGN RELIGIOUS SUBVERRSION Christianity has no ethical system, and is harmful to a harmonious, filial society: <They just say to serve God well and not go against duty. This is why it is not difficult for them to turn on their sovereigns and fathers by using God. Their [regard for] God is deep, and [for their] sovereigns and fathers shallow. So then what is this God? It is sorcery! It is disorder! ... This is how regicide and patricide come to pass. Read this in conjunction with Matthew 10:34-38 where Jesus preaches that his teachings will disrupt the family unit, the most fundamental building block of all societies. BUDDHIST NUN SOSHIN EXPOSES THE CORE OF CHRISTIANITY Christianity spreads when governments are not benevolent, it will not spread under a benevolent government and healthy civilization: <Christianity spreads because of the confusion in peoples’ heart/minds, and the hardships of the masses. If the teachings of the civilized world prevail, then the confusion in peoples’ minds/hearts will be resolved, benevolent governance will alleviate the hardships of the masses, and it [Christianity] will not be able to spread. ... The proof of this can be seen in China, the land of the sages. If you have civilization, then even with no forcible prohibition, it is not able to spread. AIZAWA SEISHISAI ON THE MASSES AND SIMPLE-MINDED NATURE OF CHRISTIANITY <This, their [the Western barbarians’] so-called religious doctrine [Christianity], is both shallow and evil, and at its core not worthy of even discussing. However, its basis is simplistic, its vocabulary is vulgar, and that is why it easily beguiles the masses. With pretty words it pretends to respect Heaven by forcing [meaning on] Heaven. It pretends to represent human ethical enlightenment by forsaking the Way of humanity. <In order to weaken the effect of the sovereign’s commands on our common people, in other words in order to ‘subdue the enemy without resorting to battle’, they employ the barbarian creed [Christianity] to entice our common people. In other words this is the policy [by which they achieve] ‘the best outcome of taking the country in its entirety It appears that the Japanese people realized that Christianity was a religion that appealed to the sentiments of the herd, of the lower classes, to subhumans, weakening them, allowing them to be overtaken. The criticisms of modern pagans have echoes all throughout the past. Never let Christians trick you. These criticisms are centuries old.
>>5622 yes, it makes sense. especially given these lines: <26 And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. <27 And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. <28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins. >>5636 I've posted before on Japan's admirable stand against Christianity, one of the few times in history the forces of Abrahamism were defeated. being so tenacious, it survived underground among the Kakure Kirishitans (hidden Christians), but it was marginalized and neutralized as a threat to the Japanese nation, so it was still a decisive victory. to this day, Buddhism & Shinto predominate there.
>>5645 >especially given these lines: <which shall be shed That's the particularly interesting line to me. The blood will be shed. John 6 <Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” <Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. This part of John too says that many of his disciples were disgusted by this teaching and left: <66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. The commendable actions of the Tokugawa Shogunate really show where Rome fell short in its effort. I guess there is a question with Rome whether they ever could have removed completely the influence of Christianity. There were far too many jews in the Empire, living in crucial points and the biggest cities. Already having been exposed to jewish influence for centuries, they had gotten used to a subtle undercurrent of it. In Japan they felt the full-on nature of this type of religion instantly, having only been exposed to their ethnic tradition and dharmic traditions like Buddhism before. They saw immediately that it was evil. Though it is unfortunate that numbers of them were to remain hidden afterwards, but like you said, over all it was a job well done, because even today Japan is hardly even 1% Christcuck. The real problem with Japan spiritually-speaking today though is that many Japanese people are very ignorant about the own traditions of their people, almost extremely so. It also doesn't help that the government has not restored its association with Shinto, but I doubt that will happen again unless there are big changes.
>>5653 the problem with Rome is that it was too accustomed to adopting and absorbing local traditions and cultures into its larger milieu. they saw the jews as just another sect, albeit one with special needs. the jews also had great regard for their Law, which the Romans respected initially. it was only after the Bar Khokba revolt that the Romans dealt with the jews severely, and by then it was too late -- Judaism survived in its Rabbinic form. likewise, the Romans saw Christianity as just another mystery cult, an offshoot of Judaism, and the only reasons they persecuted Christians at all is because they refused to worship the emperor, and because they met in secret. they did not suppress it thoroughly, so it was only a matter of time before they got subverted. >The real problem with Japan spiritually-speaking today though is that many Japanese people are very ignorant about the own traditions of their people, almost extremely so. It also doesn't help that the government has not restored its association with Shinto, but I doubt that will happen again unless there are big changes. I'd chalk this up to cultural changes post WWII. Japan remains based, but it's not free from infection.
>>5666 (check'd) Yeah I can't really blame them for not seeing the danger. We are dealing with two millennia or more of hindsight here, while the Romans didn't have really any of this, not to mention that like you said they were often a bit naive in their cosmopolitanism and leniency towards other cultures. It's really comparable to some sort of aggressive cancer. They didn't realize that they were on their death-bed until it was too late with the jews. You can't operate with the same standards when it comes to Abrahamics, that we know now. It's either 'killing fields' mode or you yourself are overcome. >I'd chalk this up to cultural changes post WWII. Japan remains based, but it's not free from infection. Definitely. If one looks into it they will see that after 1945 when the ZOG occupiers forced the Japanese to separate the state from Shinto that there was an explosion in 'New Religions'. Some of these had already existed, some of them tolerated, some of them persecuted, but they really took off after the war. The reason things like Aum Shinrikyō exist is because Japan is spiritually dead inside. It's just a wagecuck island that has been castrated by modernity. Mishima saw this as far back as the late 1960s. Many of the people joining Aum had these exact criticisms. Even today we see weird shit like Pana Wave and Happy Science popping up there. The latter is funny because the leader is extremely redpilled about communists though
>>1395 Somewhere here I saw a list of Nazi generals that converted to Islam in order to hide from the (((Allies))), does anyone have a screencap of it? Not advocating for sandniggerism btw.
>>5695 Here you go: >>3803 >>3818 >>3819
>>5679 their cosmopolitan approach worked for most cultures they encountered, and the Romans figured jews and Christians would be no different. by the time they realized they were dealing with AIDS, it was too late. and yes, having a long history to look back on does clarify many things. >It's just a wagecuck island that has been castrated by modernity. the rise of new religious movements/cults has alot to do with this. but more than that, the Japanese had a traditional work ethic in which they'd apply themselves to a do/tao/way to make a living. whether crafting swords, architecture, etc. they'd be in a career in which they could spend their life honing their skills and accomplishing more. in this way, they could work hard while also being fulfilled. when ZOG took over, it redirected this ethic towards vacuous, tedious work that served its interests. having been corrupted, this made work life very unfulfilling, which led to the suicides, hikkikomori, escapism, and sense of drift and meaningless that's common there and shows up in their media. with that said, the poz is not as severe there as it is in parts of the West. Japan isn't a lost cause, as some demoralization shills claim, but it's still affected by the post-1945 decline.
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>>5698 Japan is definitely better off than the West, that's for sure. There are many problems there, obviously, but at present it's not even a tenth of what we face in the West. As long as they are not hit by full replacement-immigration they will stay a lot better off too, though I think that is the eventual plan for them based on some stuff I've seen. Regeneration will be easier there, I think.
>>5771 >So if you admit that the pro-Christcuck shills are not all niggerrick, and agree that there's smoking gun evidence in favour of this, why do you support Board Ownbama in deleting posts that point this out? Because the posts pointing it out are evidently intended to distract the attention completely away from niggerrick. So what if Spicrick has a Chinkrick partner? It shouldn't be used to exonerate Spicrick.
>>5772 Stop responding to this clown
>>5769 >Anyone else come to the realization that Christianity in it's inception may have not been a bad thing? Maybe, but throughout all the centuries with everyone from Paul to the Popes to Luther to modern Evangelical theologians and pressure groups, I doubt that any trace of the original Christianity could be restored. Plus, the original jewish Christian community was an insular cult by jews for jews.
>>5765 pretty much this. good to see the shills getting mopped up. btw, Free Speech is a poorly understood concept. it means you have the right to express yourself in society, as long as you're not violating anyone else's rights. when it comes to deplatforming/banning, it's a scalar issue. large-scale deplatforming violates free speech, while small-scale deplatforming does not. that's because the owner of the platform (in this case BO) has the right to run their platform as they see fit. this right generally supersedes Free Speech, unless the platform is large enough to be significant to civil discourse. just wanted to shed light on this topic, since bringing up free speech is a common tactic for those whose posts are rightfully deleted.
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>>5699 Wow, he's even rubbing his hands.
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>>5784 Worth noting too that this guy was appointed by so-called 'nationalists' in Japan. He was appointed under Abe, who people liked to cry about for being part of Nippon Kaigi, and he remains under the new PM Yoshihide Suga, who is also a member of Nippon Kaigi. This is what Wikipedia says about Nippon Kaigi: <The Nippon Kaigi (日本会議, "Japan Conference") is Japan’s largest ultranationalist, far-right non-governmental organization and lobby. It was established in 1997 and has approximately 40,000 members Yet anyone in government affiliated with it are total Zionists and pro-mass immigration. They are a joke
>>5786 That sounds just like the John Birch Society, the controlled opposition organization that existed to reel in potential dissidents and neuter them.
>>5790 That’s basically what it is. Unfortunately all of the real radical alternatives in Japan seem extremely small or not making any real moves towards anything.
>>5786 >Yet anyone in government affiliated with it are total Zionists and pro-mass immigration. They are a joke "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves" - Vladimir Lenin
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Unfortunately, while the jewish Question revolves around removing or eliminating an alien race, the Christian Question involves our racial kinsmen, often members of our own family. In fact, many of us were likely once Christian. In the logic of "traitors before enemies," Christianity should be dealt with first, as it is spiritual race treason, yet so many Whites are entrenched in Christianity, and jews used this to their advantages, playing Christianized Aryans against de-Christianized Aryans. Christianity, in small measure, also serves as a defense against degeneracy (though this shielding is quickly failing, indeed meant to fail), and, without it, many White Christians would fall into despair and slavery to pleasure-highs to fill that void. I think the answer is a new religion. Otherwise they will either stay Christian and pervert nationalism with "Whites are the real Israelites" nonsense or inject racialism into old European religions where before it didn't really exist. One could hardly say ancient Germanic paganism was a White religion, just a religion practiced by Whites. Reviving ancient national faiths is a temporary fix, as Abrahamism is what usurped those faiths in the first place, and it doesn't unite Whites, save by occasional, often contradictory cognate characters and practices.
>>6010 Very good analysis. I have reached similar conclusions, especially when it comes to the fact that though Christianity is absolutely a foreign jewish mind-virus, to deprogram one from Christianity without a proper alternative is dangerous and undesirable, given that they would default to materialism / hedonism / nihilism / leftism before anything else, as you say. Here's where I'll disagree with you though. There are absolutely the foundations for racialism in many of the Aryan religious traditions. In some places this has been obscured more than in others due to the fact that these religions were operating with an oral tradition in an area where there was not really multiracialism. Needless to say, if you're living in an area with no non-Whites for hundreds and hundreds of generations, the racial aspects of the tradition will be given less relevance. For Germanic paganism in particularly, look at things like the Rígsþula, where Heimdallr / Rig becomes the progenitor of the three classes. The Thralls, or the serf / slave caste are explicitly described as dark, swarthy and ugly. The Churl was described as more ruddy and with sparkling eyes. The Jarl born in the story has fair locks of hair and fair cheeks. https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/rig.html This is basically an exact reflection of the Indo-European trifuncional social system (which evolved to a quadrifunctional system on the Indian subcontinent to deal with the large non-White slave caste). There are so many similarities in the basic worldview of pre-Abrahamic pagans that one cannot help but wonder what true core there may be there. By this I mean: >divinely-ordained caste system >polytheism or qualified monotheism >importance of sacrifices to the gods >importance of hospitality / guest-right >the doctrine of the four ages >stress on purity versus impurity >the concept of a cosmic order >human descent from the gods >no distinction between religion and daily life Now from this however, we can't say which exact tradition is the closest approximation of truth. It may be that many of the traditions have become garbled over the millennia as contact with the originating source was lost or forgotten. I tend to believe a version of perennialism wherein the Aryan religions (and likely some outside of this fold) are founded one the same metaphysical truths expressed in different contexts and cultures. New life needs to be breathed into these traditions. I don't think they'll be exactly the same as in the past, but they will be far more similar than not in some respects.
Epiphanius reports that certain gnostic Christians believed that Jesus took the prostitute Mary Magdelene to the top of a mountain, created a woman from his side, fucked it and consumed the semen produced, and that this was to be done to live. A literal cum-eating rabbi http://earlychristianwritings.com/questionsmary.html >in the so-called 'Greater Questions of Mary'—there are also 'Lesser' ones forged by them—they claim that he reveals it to her after taking her aside on the mountain, praying, producing a woman from his side, beginning to have sex with her, and then partaking of his emission, if you please, to show that 'Thus we must do, that we may live.' >And when Mary was alarmed and fell to the ground, he raised her up and said to her, 'O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?'
>>5866 Where the hell has this been?
>>5866 Same nonsense with the Taliban government. They are so called "Pashtun nationalists" yet they have no issue destroying historical pre-Islamic statues of the entire Iranian race and in turn imposing an Arab religion among the masses. The Afghans don't like communism, they don't like democracy, but they sure love their Arab imperialism. When will Arabs have to pay for repariations for their colonisation efforts?
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>>6998 It's also especially sad in Afghanistan for me because Afghanistan has such a rich history of Dharmic religions - Buddhist, Hindu and Jain alike. I have read that some remote regions were only Abrahamized by force in the late 19th century too. Assuming you are Iranian / Persian in some sense, are there many people among them who are aware of the problem of Islam and Abrahamic religions in general? It would be interesting to see a Zoroastrian revival.
>>6999 The nationalistic component allows Persians to think outside the box. Most Iranians who (legally!) come to the West are quick to adopt Western values. As for Tajiks, another Iranian group, they are incredibly aware of Islam's problems due in part of Soviet atheistic influence and the civil war in 1992 that would've turned their country into the next Afghanistan if they had lost. In fact, Tajikistan even has their own section under 'Persecution of Muslims'. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims#Tajikistan Pashtuns took a complete 180 and have become dogs for the Arabs. Shameful. I would be interested in seeing a revival of Zoroastrianism or ancient Iranian paganism. The only reason the "Islamic Revolution" happened was because dumbass communists and liberals ousted the Shah because SHAHBAD.exe, and the Islamists took advantage of the power vaccum (with Jimmy Carter's support). That, and also because Iran has a lot of ethnic miniorities who probably were communists fearful of the Shah's fascist policies. (Rastakhiz Party, the ruling party of Iran prior to 1979, was considered to be a fascist party similar to that of Italy and Spain. So, stop fascism by supporting the Islamists, just like stop fascism by supporting the communists...that'll end well...always does... /s). P.S Nuristan (meaning Land of the Enlightened) was a remote region in Afghanistan which was previously known as Kaffiristan (Land of the Disbelivers) prior tht conversion of Islam. I believe they were located upon a steel hill making it difficult for the Muslims to get up there at first. The Nuristanis are described as Indo-Aryans, basically the actual type of Indians people think of when one talks about the Aryan race spreading across India, rather than Panjeet in his IT centre "we wuz Aryans n shieet!")
>>6999 >>7006 Although, it's ironic that the Nuristanis were seen as 'disbelievers' for following a religion true to the homeland and only after they adopted an Arab religion after many tries, now they are "enlightened!" How come Muslims don't like DIVERSITEH want they're the ones doing the colonising?
>>7006 >I would be interested in seeing a revival of Zoroastrianism or ancient Iranian paganism. Hopefully interest in this will start rising in the coming decades. The Persians seem to be in a very similar situation to Europeans. We are lucky enough here in the West to not live under an Abrahamic theocracy, at the very least. It would not surprise me at all if certain Persians were to dig into their past that they would see the Abrahamic malware that has been installed in the minds of their people, much as many have done in Europe and North America today. If / when the West finally puts an end to Abrahamism, we can hope that this will be a powerful impetus for pagans all across the globe. That former situation in Nuristan seems very similar to the plight of the Kalash people in Pakistan today. Not only are many of them very light-skinned, but even today they maintained their ethnic religion and still worship old gods such as Indra. Unsurprisingly the Muslims have persecuted them and tried to force them to convert. Luckily because they live in such a remote mountainous region and view Muslims as being impure, they have held off the Abrahamic tide so far.
>>7009 Abrahamists always operate under the guise of ‘enlightening the ignorant’. Of course their supposed gnosis is really agnosis. True purveyors of truth are always exterminated to the last man. It’s all part of the advance of Jewish-led civilization, even if the Abrahamic golems themselves are ignorant of this. Abrahamism destroys Völkisch bonds and traditions and replaces them with cookie-cutter practices, universalism and worship of the false god Yahweh. Diverse approaches to spiritual truths must be replaced with ‘the one way™’.
>>5291 >>5293 >>5301 Chapter 1 can be found on Skrbina's website (scroll down on the link). I am going to be buying the book next week, I'll be scanning. https://www.jesushoax.com/
Atheism Considered as a Christian Sect I am unable to post the PDF since I can only find it in JSTOR and reading it slaps my IP right on the bottom when I log in through the institution I go to, so I am stuck to posting excerpts. >Atheists in general need share no particular political or metaphysical views, but atheists of the most modern, Western, militant sort, escaping from a merely nihilistic mind-set, are usually humanists of an especially triumphalist kind. In this paper I offer a critical analysis and partial history of their claims, suggesting that they are members of a distinctively Christian heretical sect, formed in reaction to equally heretical forms of monotheistic idolatry >Those who don't believe in, or don't worship, the gods of a particular tribe may still have gods, ideals and rituals of their own. So 'atheism in the abstract' is not my chief concern: what can be said of modern Western atheism , especially as it is presented by its modern publicists and their followers in the online commentariat? What is it that they are opposing, and what does their opposition - both its content and its manner - reveal about their own commitments and priorities? >Atheistical critics, especially the most vociferous, are, I suggest, motivated by a passionate attachment to ideas of truth and justice that depend historically and logically on mainstream Abrahamic theism - perhaps especially its Christian variety. What they reject in the mainstream, openly theistical, churches is idolatry: the easy beliefs that we are all right as we are, that prosperity is a sign of holiness, that we can change the world to our fancy merely by redescribing it. The very God they reject, the god of a decadent theism, is not the God of the Gospels or the Hebrew Scriptures. The demand that we be 'objective' is, exactly, a mo >Modern atheists who have absorbed ideas from the Christian and more generally Abrahamic tradition have too often absorbed a proud conviction that they are so much in the right as never to need to listen to any 'unbeliever'. They have also inherited a strange combination of ideas: on the one hand, the ultimate cause and context of all things is infinite and incomprehensible; on the other, human intelligence can be expected to be raised so far as to speak and act for all things, but perhaps on the condition that it abandons or transforms its own 'primitive' or 'animal' nature. This is what marks such atheism as a specifically Christian heresy, of a kind that would not easily arise even in other Abrahamic traditions, let alone Hindu or Chinese. https://www.jstor.org/stable/44015159
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>>4838 Yes, that's exactly it! Dumb bastards had made a pact with the devil itself thousands of years ago and now we'll still have to deal with this shit.
>>4838 >>7265 This is all even more interesting when paired with the dragon theory. Yahweh was quite literally a fire-breathing dragon, or close enough to one where descriptions of him in that form are preserved in the Old Testament. I had not heard of this theory until recently but it is almost indisputable once one looks at it.
>>7294 >Yahweh was quite literally a fire-breathing dragon, or close enough to one where descriptions of him in that form are preserved in the Old Testament. Looking back at the story of Genesis, is it not farfetched to think that the serpent might have been Yahwen itself? And then there is that small detail regarding the disctintion between 'El' and 'YHWH' always present in old Hebrew transcripts of the Old Testament...
>>7316 This might be something that might be worth looking into, but it might take a good deal of cross-reference from other Semitic religions in order to draw any hard conclusions. The Bible is extremely corrupted at this point. What is worth pointing out though is that up to Genesis 2:4 we never see the term Yahweh, indeed we are given a completely different account of creation up to that point and it is all ascribed to the work of Elohim / God. In Genesis 2:4 we have an alternative account of the creation of the Earth and of Adam and Eve. It goes slightly differently, and it is ascribed here to 'the LORD God', i.e. in the original Hebrew 'Yahweh elohim'. So some how these two have gotten mixed into the Biblical canon together and were later taken as a unit in a book despite having discrepancies and the introduction of this proper name Yahweh. In fact the entire section of Genesis 2 and 3 is all about Yahweh. It is under him that the serpent entices Eve to get her and her husband to eat the fruit. My theory right now (before further research) is that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2:1-3 are the original story of creation under Elohim (i.e. probably El). The other story is the story of Yahweh. This is why it might be hard to say the snake is Yahweh. It still seems like the gnostic interpretation of the events may be the most easily understood. But it might even be possible that these fucking jewish scribes just threw together two accounts and stuck in the name 'Yahweh' before every occurrence of the term 'Elohim' in Genesis 2:4 to the end of Genesis 3 for the Eden account. This is unfortunately one of the most subverted books on the planet.
>>7294 >Yahweh was quite literally a fire-breathing dragon, or close enough to one where descriptions of him in that form are preserved in the Old Testament. Where are the verses that prove it specifically? I find it very fascinating because a lot of indo-european gods and heroes are depicted as slaying a serpent/dragon
>>7343 >I find it very fascinating because a lot of indo-european gods and heroes are depicted as slaying a serpent/dragon That's exactly why it is so interesting. Recently someone made a video on this that goes over the basic points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XogaHpV5oUs But here are a few of the verses that might lead us to think that Yahweh might indeed be a dragon: Psalm 18:6-9 >In my distress I called to the LORD; I cried to my God for help. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came before him, into his ears. >The earth trembled and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains shook; they trembled because he was angry. >Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it. The next view verses say he descended from the clouds mounted on a cherubim. Psalm 18:15 >The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at your rebuke, LORD, at the blast of breath from your nostrils. So here we of course read a description of Yahweh were fire pours from his mouth and burning coals blazed within, and he delivers a rebuke with a blast of this breath. A nearly identical section in 2 Sam 22.9 >There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. >And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. Smoke is also associated with the divine presence at Sinai, Exodus 19.18; 20.18: >Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain trembled violently. >When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance Isaiah 30.27-29, as is Isaiah 30.33 is also interesting: >See, the Name of the Lord comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; >his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire. >His breath is like a rushing torrent, rising up to the neck. He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction; >Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king. Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze. Many Bibles translate the Hebrew term for 'nose' (אף) as 'anger' in order to hide this description of Yahweh. For example, Exod 34.6; Ps 86.15; Prov 14.29 are often translated 'slow to anger', but it literally means 'long of nostrils'. There are also references to the 'wings' of Yahweh throughout the Bible. One might say these are merely poetic, but when mixed with the imagery of long nostrils and fire blazing forth from his mouth, one cannot help but think of a dragon: Ruth 2:12 >May the Lord repay you for what you have done. May you be richly rewarded by the Lord, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge.” Psalm 61:4 >I long to dwell in your tent forever and take refuge in the shelter of your wings. It is quite possible that Yahweh may be related to the serpents or dragons that were often slain by Aryan gods in many cultures. It is certainly interesting.
>>7257 Scihub Exists next time, use it, it provides ANYTHING you want to read in PDF form thats behind the paywalls of bullshit today, if the URL doesn't work try the doi number
>>7600 Thanks, anon. I am aware of sci-hub but for some reason it didn’t work for me when I was posting that. Maybe I should have tried the link or the doi both like you suggested. The main premise of the paper is of course relatively obvious. Even as far back as Nietzsche’s day he was mocking people who had desposed of the Abrahamic God yet were still clinging to its moral commands as if they were somehow self-evident. Humorously, most liberals / atheists / Marxists (etc.) are best described as mutant Christians
>>7343 >tfw you fight and decapitate the yaweh snake naked while being cheered on by scantily clad women.
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>>7616 >do it for Europa, anon!
>>5637 To anyone teetering on the edge of supporting Christianity, read these words. Matthew 10:34-38 < Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. In this passage, Jesus states that he does "not come to bring peace, but a sword". He does not come to bring any kind of meaning, or salvation. He is the sword, destroying once prosperous societies, cleaving families apart, and pitting brother against brother. This is his goal, to enslave and separate men from their divine purposes and leave them with nothing else besides the hope for a empty, pointless afterlife. The teachings of Christ are evil, simple as.
>>7717 shut up jew
>>7718 >no rebuttal Classic Christian asshurt. Jesus was a communist cult-leader whose own family thought that he was a nutcase. These verses here are proof that he wanted to split up organic healthy societies. You're basically a Marxist. Mark 3:20-21 <Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. <When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” Mark 3:31-35 <Then his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside, they sent to him and called him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him; and they said to him, “Your mother and your brothers and sisters[a] are outside, asking for you.” 33 And he replied, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” 34 And looking at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother."
>>7718 >shut up jew If Jesus was not a Jew in blood, he was certainly a Jew in his actions. Look no further than my previous post where Jesus seeks to use very Jewish tactics to subvert non-Abrahamic peoples, or >>7719 's post.
>>7718 I absolutely agree with you, if this rabbi yeshua jew would just shut the fuck up nobody would worship a jew today.
The best thing is, Jewsus leaves Christians in an inescapable dilemma. Either they believe that he is a full-blooded divine jew who is their 'Lord and Savior', or they affirm that he was man who was half-Aryan (according to the multiply-attested story of Pantera being the Roman father of Jesus), yet still preached and acted like a massive jew even among jews. Not to mention affirming this story of course nullifies the Biblical narrative and any reason to worship him. There is zero reason to like this guy.
>>7718 >(1) Someone is samefagging on this board to create some controlled opposition. This is getting pathetic....
>>7746 The more likely scenario is that someone posts something against Christianity in this thread or others, and then non-/fascist/s see them on the front page, drop in and starting crying ITT, and then never come back again. Or sometimes they do come back and leave as soon as they are refuted.
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This is asked pretty often but there's just so much information to shift around: Where does it say that Hitler used his 'Positive Christianity' fiasco as just a farce to get in with the popular crowd at the time? I keep making the mistake of going to Poal, it's fuckin' flooded with christshills, not even Voat was this bad, and one of them had the gall to list this one article as definitive proof that Hitler ebinly denied the pagans.
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>>7755 The only fallback Christians have is the simple ruse that Hitler's outward political actions aimed towards the foolish masses somehow reflected his private thoughts. For the longest time on /pol/ they spammed that the Table Talks were false and it was taken as truth, when now we know for sure they aren't after corroborating them with accounts of those close to him and Irving's research. I myself have presented the truth to Voat and watched their most prolific Christian, Tallest_Skil, respond only with weak adhoms and downvote brigading. They will also misconstrue the line about Odinists or whatever in Mein Kampf, about the same sort of throwback "pagans" who just want to go act like degenerates in the woods today, which had nothing to do with Hitler's deism and life affirming worship of Nature's Law. Note that pics related aren't about Positive Christianity specifically yet clearly represent a total break from Abrahamism.
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>>7755 >Where does it say that Hitler used his 'Positive Christianity' fiasco as just a farce to get in with the popular crowd at the time? I don't know if you'll find it explicitly said anywhere, but if one looks into the issue it is really the only conclusion that one can draw that makes sense of what we know. For example, during the 1920s and 1930s, Germany was consistently around 95% Christian (staying mostly stable around this number as Germany expanded to take in Sudetenland and Austria, etc). To come out and directly speak out against Christianity during a time like this would be political suicide. The big divide in Germany in the decades prior to this was Catholic and Protestant, and there were big struggles politically involving these two denominations (Kulturkampf) and the issue of papal influences creeping into and subverting German politics (Ultramontanism). With the idea of Positive Christianity Hitler and the NSDAP initially tried to do a few different things, (1) to unify the Christian Protestants of Germany under a single Reich Church. This was done, but it quickly turned into an unmitigated disaster. This led to the Kirchenkampf and opposition from some Protestants. Just look up Martin Niemöller. Due to this, Hitler eventually washed his hands of the entire situation. Around the same time the Catholic Church issued 'Mit brennender Sorge' which condemned 'the so-called myth of race and blood', 'pantheistic confusion', 'national religion' and 'paganism'. They were getting afraid of the direction some streams of 'Positive Christianity' were being taken in. To me, Positive Christianity is a way to appeal to the demographics of Germany during the 1920 and 30s, and to promote certain social values that are, when confined to an organic community bound by blood, certainly not harmful, such as charity, loving one's neighbor and the like. Who can find fault with these? They are not exclusively Christian, obviously, but it is a good way to appeal to this type of altruism within people, and it was certainly done with things such as the annual charity Winterhilfswerk and the National Socialist People's Welfare organization. In the 25-point program of the NSDAP the acceptance of Positive Christianity, and indeed all religions, are accepted "within the state" , qualified with the statement "so long as they [the religions] do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race." Positive Christianity is said to be important because "It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework." This might be linked to what I was talking about in the previous paragraph, because an altruistic, neighborly Völkisch ethos is directly opposed to Jewish materialism The final piece in the puzzle are statements by people on Hitler and things that Hitler has said. Hitler of course preached a Völkisch worldview dominated by a struggle between groups and species, and the importance of preserving the Volk and cultivating them to be the fittest they can be. Not very Christian to say the least.
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>>7755 cont. from >>7757 And then the statements by Hitler reported by others: >(1) Goebbels "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed. The Führer is a convinced vegetarian on principle." >(2) Christa Schroeder (secretary of Hitler) ""The church was always a favorite topic. Hitler had no affiliation He considered the Christian religion to be a hypocritical trap which had outlived it's time. His religion was the law of nature" >(3) Albert Speer (Chief Architect) ""You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us, then Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness" >(4) Otto Dietrich (Press Secretary) "He was sharply hostile to Christianity and the churches. Primitive Christianity he declared, was the 'first jewish-communistic cell'. Hitler was convinced that Christianity was out-molded and dying. He thought he could speed its death by systematic education of German youth" So what similarities do we have here? In (2) and (4) we see the same statement that Christianity has outlived its time in some way. These are of course from independent sources. In (1) and (4) we of course see it directly linked to Judaism. We see all of these same remarks in Table Talk and they line up exactly with what is being said here. Even if Table Talk is a forgery, these quotes here are from four different independent sources and all say that Hitler thought that Christianity was a form of weakness, a sign of decay, an offshoot of Judaism and something that in time would have to be destroyed. It's not hard to reconcile this with what has been said in early parts of my post. Hitler affirmed some of the ethos of Positive Christianity within his Volk, charity, social welfare, altruism, etc. Hitler denied much of the rest of it and found it to be harmful. Especially after the failure of the Reich Church and indeed much of Positive Christianity by 1937 or so, it is not surprising to see the remarks in Table Talk where Hitler is extremely hard of the CQ and calls it a form of proto-communism spread into Europe by Saul of Tarsus. And then we must remember that Hitler surrounded himself at the highest levels with anti-Christians.
>>7756 >They will also misconstrue the line about Odinists or whatever in Mein Kampf, about the same sort of throwback "pagans" who just want to go act like degenerates in the woods today I had actually wrote something on this recently where I picked that section apart almost line-by-line to show that it did not mean what Christians thought it did. As you say, it is speaking in reference to a very specific sort of individual, one who likes to play as an ancient warrior, but who is actually a coward, or one who seems to be more concerned with derailing national revival with his LARP than actually committing to action. Hitler says that this type of person thinks they can fight all of their battles with the ink and the pen, and that they run as soon as they see an actual communist mob. This is why they are useless to National Socialists. Now what about a pagan who doesn't LARP, who doesn't derail the movement when unnecessary (Christians need called out today oftentimes btw) and who walk the walk along with talking the talk. He would have no problems with this. It's exceedingly obvious. The man who connects thought and action like a true Fascist and fights for his Volk is welcome, the weak intellectual talking big words while being a coward is not. I am very sad that I turned off my computer without saving what I had written
>>7759 >>7758 >>7756 thanks lads, I've always found it weird when christians call everything "larpagans" for wanting to believe in that kinda thing, but then go on to go full "deus vult" with their armor from the past
>>7756 It's based on a willful denial of all evidence and research if they want to believe such a thing, really. But if we are talking about a group of people who can literally reconcile worshiping a jewish carpenter nailed to a stick with being pro-White, nothing surprises me anymore.
>>7765 I'm beginning to think it's because real belief cannot be nailed down to a black and White description, which is all their empty husks can understand. I don't even have a name for what I believe that I feel fits, "pagan" is merely a general descriptor that points vaguely in that direction, and so of course their insults regarding some he/him/they faggot on Twitter calling themselves Wodan fall very flat against me and I assume most others who didn't need someone to tell them what to believe.
Maybe none of you niggers know shit about most religion beyond info graphics and you'd have been tortured to death for being autistic detractors and agent provocateurs in a functional society.
>>7989 >a functional society. Such as?
>>7989 On the contrary, this thread and others (namely the pagan thread and the Dharmic philosophy thread) prove that /fascist/ stands at the cutting edge of online paganism and understands Abrahamism and Christianity better than the adherents of those religions do themselves. A society organized according to the concept of Dharma or Natural Law would instantly see itself regenerating and indeed healthier than ever before. The sort of Christianized society that you are probably idolizing is exactly what eventually landed us right in modernity.
>>7989 I would happily trade my thoroughly-jewed life for a functional White society, without a second thought. You're the nigger for thinking your own life isn't worth that.
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>>1435 This infograph has been posted here many times, but it's a complete lie, which most would realize if they went through the sources. The most inaccurate part under "laws on judaism" is that patriarch is defined as a jewish leader when a patriarch is a christian bishop. Then, the Code of Justinian created by later emperors repealed many of these laws on judaism. To make the bold claim that "this is the true nature of christianity" is nonsense, since it completely ignores the anti-jew laws introduced later. Now, the main argument here would be "Why did the early Roman Church introduce these laws?"- the answer is they did not. Ironically, these laws were continuations from Pagan Rome, which favored jews over christians. >>1644 >those "progressive priests" are in fact truer to the bible and jewsus's lessons than you are That why they keep dodging 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, 1 Timothy 2:12, Genesis 19:1–11, 1 Timothy 1:10, etc? By what metric do you claim that these freaks are more christian than me? >This is literally the central claim of Christian Aryanists(positive Christkikery reborn) and Christian Identists today I'm sure that even they do not claim this since the truth of judeans and race is somewhat similar to to what James Mason found out. >never greatly admixed with Europeans and there are plenty of studies both genetic and archaeological which prove otherwise. the migration pattern was from the Caucasus, only after mongolian and african interbreeding did the levant area, including areas like syria and lebanon begin to resemble Mediterranean-type genetic composition. Even today, the berbers are extremely confident in their identity not being african, even with the recent heavy admixture. The only logical explanation is that the area was formerly White, just like how the levant and egypt was once White. >Again just plain false, we have multiple romans talking shit on the jews prior to the Christkike takeover All religions have been insulted at some point. When discussing Jews, there are two possible options explaining their activities- religious grounds or ethnic grounds. Now, my original belief was that Jews act in a disgusting manner because their religion commands them to- But this cannot stand on its own, the greatest example being the Jesuit order. If the Jews could be fixed with baptism and sprinkling of holy water, life would be simple, but that isn't the case. The Jesuit Order was created by Jewish converts and they still continue to subvert the Catholic Church now. Then, the only other option is the ethnic one- Jews act in a subversive manner due to their ethnicity. But the Ashkenazi Jewish Identity didn't start to exist until the 6th century, which is why I claim that Jewish subversion began in the 6th century. >the Talmud was and still is an oral tradition This is a Jewish lie, they made it up to justify their jewish identity. The time it was written was when it was created. >won't just believe blatantly false shit That's not the point. Why would they kill themselves just to mass convert goyim? >Not a blatant lie You're right about this one, Goebbels was next in line to become fuhrer. >Nietzsche pointed out how your religion is jewish and in fact calleds it the ULTIMATE CONCLUSION OF JUDAISM In the context of "pointing out how anti-semitic christians are hypocrites". It's almost the same as the tiring "you call yourself anti semitic yet you worship a jew" >who said it did? It's often used as proof of his anti-christianity. >>4417 This is a pessimistic outlook which still cannot translate to opposition of Nature, and if this translation is accepted it contradicts Leviticus 25:2-5, Romans 8:21 and Revelation 11:18. >>5569 >make retarded statement >get called out for it >"oh wow the shills are mad" "cannibalism" implies that Christ is man.
>>8112 There is no evidence that proves that christ wasn't a man. The fact that he was killed on a cross is evidence enough that he was indeed mortal and not born from any divinity. It doesn't make it any better that many Christian theologists love to lie about some of the important context of his story or how they interpret it (If he ever existed in the first place) to prevent everyone from learning the truth that he wasn't divine in any way or form, but just a man who wanted changes for jews or a fictional character made to bring the lower beings to sympathize and worship him. The Romans nor Greeks have accounts of a prophet claiming to be the son of ((((yahweh))) anywhere in any ancient historical document. Sure the absence of evidence does mean you can come to conclusions that he didn't exist, but knowing the nature of Christianity I can assure that the bible has been nothing but lies and misinformation. Your favorite jew on a stick was a israeli supremacist who wanted a reform of judaism, and was never Aryan nor pro-European in any sense. christianity has no place in Europe. Show what part of this desert religion is Aryan and perfectly made for the White man when it has done nothing, but brought to what is today?
>>8112 >implies that Christ is man. That's the natural assumption, of course. I will never speak poorly of Jesus though, because God personally indicated to me that Jesus was special, and before that I had no predisposition to even think such a thing. I still see no proof that Christianity itself is to be trusted though, given its history and how it was clearly subverted from day one and all of the scripture pieced together by (((church councils))) and the like. We can never even know the man's actual words. >>the Talmud was and still is an oral tradition >This is a Jewish lie Not at all, the Talmud is merely commentary on the Mishnah, which existed as an oral tradition long before the Talmud was ever put together with the Gemarah / rabbinic commentaries. The Talmud is an absolutely massive work (in fact there are two Talmuds!), and it did not develop all at once, at least when we are talking about the Gemarah.
>>8112 >By what metric do you claim that these freaks are more christian than me? I claim that on the groungds that the more modern Pastors seem to be directly Quoting and attempting to follow the example of jesus, it should also be noted that Paul himself who put many of these instructions you try to usehere on the page NOT Jesus, and the Old Testament was Abrogated by the New Testament, which directlky places jewsus at the center and tells you to follow him, fictional though he is, not Paul, not Mark, nor any of the other writers known or unknown of the new testament, none of which knew Jesus, because he never existed. >I'm sure that even they do not claim this since the truth of judeans and race is somewhat similar to to what James Mason found out. James Mason found nothing out, SIEGE is literally his only work worthwhile, he attempted to reconcile Christcuckery and National Socialism and failed. the Judeans were jews, they wrote your religious scripture, stop following it and walk away from it. If you persist, I am forced to assume you have jewish blood as a reason you continually push for it. >the migration pattern was from the Caucasus, White people are not Caucasians, We are not from the Caucasus, We came from according to Migration patterns an Urheimat in the region of Ukriane or from deeper into Russia, the Helleness and Romans both said they came from far to the north from a snowy Icy region they called Hyberborea, which most closely matches with Scandinavia and Germany, The Caucasus region isn't our home, we are not from there, so the people were never ours even if they have stolen some genes from us. >All religions have been insulted at some point. Except the Romans were criticizing them on RACIAL grounds being that the Romans religion was a reflection of their Race, and of their shared heritage with the Hellenes, This is also clear from reading the critiques themselves. >This is a Jewish lie, No see >>8343 >That's not the point. Why would they kill themselves just to mass convert goyim? Setting aside that just as no evidence exists for the king jew himself, no evidence exists for the apostles either. Why wouldn't they? the hallmark of jews is hatred of EVERYBODY, and the Romans knew this, so that being said do you really think they wouldn't sacrifice themselves to poison the people who were about to raze their greatest city and their Second Temple? >In the context of "pointing out how anti-semitic christians are hypocrites". It's almost the same as the tiring "you call yourself anti-semitic yet you worship a jew" No plainly false, Nietzsche was an anti-semite, he wanted them opposed not on petty grounds but a higher level, he recognized correctly that Christainity was an Inversion of Aryan Values to replace them with Jewish Values and attacked it on those grounds. Yeah he respected the jews, as one does a worthy opponent who has survived against the odds, even thrived and still yet appears to have conquered your people. see also the Thomas Dalton on Nietzsche essay attached. >It's often used as proof of his anti-Christianity. It's often used as further evidence of clear Anti-Christianity on Hitlers part, he was a Pagan, he wasn't adhering to the old Germanic religion, at least not openly, and criticized high class larpers but he was not hostile to it, he just disagreed with pushing it at that time as undesirable for reasons we do not know.
>>8358 Claiming Jesus never existed makes zero sense. Within a few decades of this guy dying we have multiple independent sources which start talking about Jesus, and not too much longer after that mentions from Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius and others all repeating basically the same core set of facts. There is plenty of ways that one could explain what happened in the aftermath due to a massive amount of cognitive dissonance among the Jews there. Jesus is betrayed, crucified and entombed. Let's say his disciples can't believe this has happened - He said he was the Messiah after all! So they rapidly begin to engage in extreme mental gymnastics. He's not really dead! This is basically a 1st century version of Qanon. They start to 'trust the plan' and form a belief that he was still alive and has risen. To those who say that 1st century Judaism had no such belief are deluding themselves, because when a group like this is put under pressure the mental gymnastics can be impressive, just like when Sabbatai Zevi was forced to convert to Islam. His followers saw this as part of 'the plan' and themselves converted to Islam and became Dönmeh, forming their own sect. I have no doubt that his disciples actually believed in this stuff and started to spread around. Before long Paul realized that he could use this against the gentiles in Europe and bent it to his own advantage. If we are to deny that Jesus existed completely we might as well deny lots of other multiply attested figures from Greek and Roman history who we have even less evidence for.
>>8361 >Claiming Jesus never existed makes zero sense. How so? There exist no proof of his existence and there are little mentions of him being a real figure. >Within a few decades of this guy dying we have multiple independent sources which start talking about Jesus And yet you haven't described these sources at all. >and not too much longer after that mentions from Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius and others all repeating basically the same core set of facts. Except Tacitus only mentions the supposed execution of Jesus, but that's literally it. Most of his work that refer Christians are about them being in Rome. Tacitus did not venture outside of Rome and has no mention of Jesus' appearance and character. Suetonius does not talk about anything concerning Christ's persecution, but only Nero and how he executed them. And (((Josephus))) sayings of Jesus just does not make any sense. I mean he was a JEW, why would someone who didn't convert to Christianity and was insulted by a guy who called them evil still regard him as a good being? It also does not help that Josephus just like the other Roman historians are not eye witnesses to what happened, they've only taken accounts of likely Christians have said, but I haven't heard of anything about Roman legionaries witnessing Christ. The other shit you're saying is just ramblings and nonsense. I wouldn't be surprised if I were taking the bait from the samefagging loser from the other thread who tried to create a opposition.
>>8361 All those people you're talking about like Josephus? that was interpolated in by Christcucks and it is the same for nearly every single mention of jesus christ by any major figure until about the third century and then it's just dumbass christains writing shit. We have more evidence for Socrates than we do for jesus, so don't even try the lets discard Greeks and Romans. >>8368 https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html This article makes the case that nearly every reference made by anyone to jesus as a real person is later interpolation as only Christains had access to the roman archives, that they usually destroyed. it also backs up your point on both Tacitus and Josephus. It is hostile and written by a rabid Atheist but he seems to have done good work here.
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>>1395 Am I still allowed to read psalms though? I like the psalms.
>>8368 >There exist no proof of his existence How much proof can you expect for a Jewish carpenter who lived in a backwater like 1st century Galilee? And what would even constitute proof for you in a matter like this? It is not like we have the bones for many, many historical figures, especially those who were put to death like a common criminal by the Romans. >And yet you haven't described these sources at all. The synoptic Gospels, the Gospel of John and the Pauline epistles are what I am referring to. >Except Tacitus only mentions the supposed execution of Jesus, but that's literally it. What do you expect him to say? I'd be more suspicious of Tacitus here if it said that he rose from the dead. That would be evidence for Christian interpolation, but we get a pretty sober statement saying that he was executed by Pontius Pilate. >and has no mention of Jesus' appearance and character I don't see why this would be relevant in the passage that Tacitus mentions them in. The mention of the Christians pops up in a section talking about the fire of Rome and how the gods were lavishly propitiated after the great fire and how despite all of this there were still rumors that Nero had ordered the fire to start. Tacitus says that Nero put the blame on the Christians (who did it is irrelevant to the point), and he briefly goes on to give some background on the Christians and how they were hated. Tacitus is writing a history of Rome, not a history of Christianity or Jesus. > Suetonius does not talk about anything concerning Christ's persecution, but only Nero and how he executed them. It was under the reign of Claudius, not Nero. But you're right here, it only mentions a figure named 'Chrestus' and that there were disturbances resulting from the Jews who followed him at this time. >I mean he was a JEW, why would someone who didn't convert to Christianity and was insulted by a guy who called them evil still regard him as a good being? Well that particular passage is controversial with many arguments for and against its either total or partial legitimacy, but in another part of Josephus' work we have a clear mention of James, who is said to be 'the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ'. Also, there's no proof that Jesus ever called all Jews evil either, because unfortunately there is little hard proof that the words attributed to him in the Gospels are actually his words. Almost everyone he interacted with, allegedly healed and everything in the Gospels were Jewish men and women, with a few exceptions. All of his disciples were Jewish too, and Jesus clearly did not see himself as starting a new religion, and for decades after the death of Jesus, Christians saw themselves as Jews (not even having a term 'Christian' and pagan Romans of course just saw them as Jews as well. Josephus speaks of many different Jewish sects which existed at the time in more or less detail, and in mention another sect that was against the corruption of the Temple and Pharisees, namely the Essenes, most of his words are pretty positive and rather neutral. The guy was writing history, not a personal seethe screed. >It also does not help that Josephus just like the other Roman historians are not eye witnesses to what happened Again, if we are to operate on this standard for ancient history we're going to have to throw out huge amounts of figures and information because we don't have hard 'proof' and eyewitness accounts. Literally the only reason to deny that Jesus existed is to try to get an upper hand in debates with Christians. There's no reason to be afraid to affirm that Jesus was almost certainly a reason person, but that doesn't mean that one has to say that he was a miracle-worker who rose from the dead. It's the same reason I am fully confident that Muhammad existed, but I don't think he was a prophet or anything.
much of this thread has focussed on Christianity, but what about Islam. Islam seems pretty based as a form of arab nationalism, it is very anti semitic. the only problem is that arab nationalism comes at a cost to us White people.
>>8442 I don't think Islam can be described as a form of Arab nationalism, honestly. Serious Muslims regard nationalism as a form of taghut / idolatry, because it puts the nation and its people above Allah. Many of the prophets of Islam are Jews, as well, and Muhammad is famous for the following statement too: <“O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” https://islamqa.info/en/answers/182686/is-the-arab-muslim-better-than-the-non-arab-muslim https://islamqa.info/en/answers/97732/ruling-on-arab-nationalism-and-undermining-the-position-of-the-prophet-peace-and-blessings-of-allaah-be-upon-him There's nothing I dislike about Islam, really, I just don't think it is true, which is the main criteria I'm concerned with above whether it's 'based' or not. There are a few reasons to be suspicious of Islam, namely its denial of well-documented historical events like Jesus' crucifixion and the fact that Muhammad as a prophet never claimed to be speaking to God himself, but instead some sort of intermediary angel, Gabriel. How does one know that he was not fooled by this so-called 'angel'? I'd sooner become a Christian than a Muslim, in all honestly.
>>8424 >How much proof can you expect for a Jewish carpenter who lived in a backwater like 1st century Galilee? How about the fact that most information concerning Jesus' personal life comes from Christians only. >It is not like we have the bones for many, many historical figures, We have the bones of histroical figures, but they're kept hidden. >The synoptic Gospels, the Gospel of John and the Pauline epistles are what I am referring to. This is not proof, this just more propganda and biases. >What do you expect him to say? I'd be more suspicious of Tacitus here if it said that he rose from the dead. That would be evidence for Christian interpolation, but we get a pretty sober statement saying that he was executed by Pontius Pilate. I expect Tacitus to explain this whole incidient of what is going on and if it were true that this christ figure was real and charmastic as he is spiritual. A mere mention of a guy isn't evidence that he exist. You're missing the fact that christians had access to Tacitus' works and there are still zero eye witnesses. >I don't see why this would be relevant in the passage that Tacitus mentions them in. This is such a dumb statement. Pliny, Tacitus, Suetonius, etc etc have all described the people they've met, seen, or heard about, and give us descriptions of what they were like, while we have nothing about a very popular character who created a major religion across the empire. >Tacitus says that Nero put the blame on the Christians (who did it is irrelevant to the point), and he briefly goes on to give some background on the Christians and how they were hated. Tacitus is writing a history of Rome, not a history of Christianity or Jesus. You're pretty much agreeing with my point that Tactius can't be relied on when it comes to history on christ, which invalidates your claim that he confirmed the execution. Also again, it's possible that Tacitus' works and writings were edited to make the christcucks innocent. Around the same time that Rome had burned, Nero persecuted the jews for their subversions and propaganda against the Roman gods. Nero had a-lot of enemies and it is said that even Tacitus did not like him, so he would spread lies about him. >It was under the reign of Claudius, not Nero No he also had talks of Nero dealing with the christ question. >legitimacy, but in another part of Josephus' work we have a clear mention of James, who is said to be 'the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ' You mean we have more foragies from the church again. I don't even feel like arguing against your crap, because you're just saying a bunch of nonsense. >>8442 >Islam seems pretty based as a form of arab nationalism, it is very anti semitic. How about you fuck off back to cuckchan or somewhere else? Islam is a mudshit universalist religion that was meant for jews. It's not merely Arab nationalism, it's just more Israeli supremacism and degeneracy. It is just as race-blind as christianity and goal of it is to sarcifice men by telling them to fight and die for Yahweh. It makes men dysgenic than the christ lovers.
>>8456 >everything that I don’t like is an interpolation I can tell that you’ve been BTFO by apologists before, causing you to desperately deny that Jesus existed
>>8424 >>8459 https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html This article alone literally debunks your shit, your savior was not real, he was a psyop that you continue to fall for to this day and the book for anyone interested, it does list it's sources.
>>8424 >How much proof can you expect for a Jewish carpenter who lived in a backwater like 1st century Galilee? That's an interesting way of acknowledging there's no good proof. This is why I don't like discussing religion. At the end of the day, people just want to believe the tale of a peasant carpenter resurrecting in the desert two thousand years ago because truth doesn't matter, what matters is childhood indoctrination. It's the same process that leads people to believe in the holohoax and so many lies. https://www.bitchute.com/video/xXCSExxfvj2A/
>>8446 >pisslam It's just another vile, unoriginal monotheistic desert cult from the trinity of marxist abrahamist anti-human universalism stay away from the trash. >"O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?" Literal transcription of Galatians 3:28 abrahamocuckery galore >"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Now guess which is the only desert cult that explicitly states the opposite again and again? Judaism. Oy vey. >>8459 >Theodosian Code was translated into English, with annotations, in 1952 by Clyde Pharr and others >Books 1-5 lack the level of manuscript support available for books 6-16. The first five books of the surviving Codex draw largely from two other manuscripts. The Turin manuscript, also known as "T," consists of 43, largely discontinuous folios.[4] The second manuscript is the Breviary of Alaric, and a good part of the Breviarium that is included in book 1 actually contains the original text of the respective part of the original codex.[4] https://bildsuche.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=viewer&bandnummer=bsb00084802&pimage=30&v=100&nav=&l=it Translation https://books.google.com/books?id=-ROBb7SIvYgC&pg=443&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false >The first laws granting tax exemption to the church appear in the Codex and are credited to Constantine and his son Constantius II. These laws specify that all clergy, their family members, and church-owned land was exempt from all compulsory service and tax payments, with the exception that land owned by the clerics themselves was still taxed.[23][24] OY VEY
>>8478 Islam is just copy pasta.
>>8343 >I will never speak poorly of Jesus though, because God personally indicated to me that Jesus was special Redpill me
>>8494 I was engaging in intense prayer and meditation and mentally asking about various spiritual figures from across history. None of the names I asked about garnered the slightest response, but when I just casually threw Jesus in there my body was surged with energy and my ears began ringing intensely much like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTinEcgLn0 I got a bit spooked afterwards so I stopped what I was doing, because it was directly after I asked. I've had similar experiences where I am answered in a similar way that I have found no rationally explainable explanation for. Maybe Yahweh is trying to psyop me, but Jesus is basically a yogi if you look at it from a Dharmic point of view, so I am not too worried. /schizo
>>8508 >Maybe Yahweh is trying to psyop me This. Really, it just sounds like you had a hallucination. I tend to be skeptical of 'supernatural experiences' like yours, but maybe it really was god trying to communicate with you, who knows. Who were some of the other figures you asked about?
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>>8604 Hallucinations are probably the most rational explanation but then that gets me to wonder why exactly it had the timing it did, or if it was self-triggered, how I am able to induce physiological effects on myself without intending too, especially when this would be a figure that I would probably not confirmation-bias myself into giving any sort of sign for. It's always good to be skeptical though within reason, of course. Some paranormal stuff is real from my experience, though I used to be a thoroughgoing materialist. Some crazy stuff can happen during prayer and meditation too from time-to-time as well. >Who were some of the other figures you asked about? First I mentioned Muhammad and then the Buddha I try to cover all my bases and then I asked about Jesus and got a response immediately. I cut it off there because it spooped me. I probably should have tried to get more info, but from my experience God doesn't really work like some sort of genie or answer-dispenser. That misunderstanding is probably like normalfags are so spiritually dead today.
>>8508 >my body was surged with energy and my ears began ringing intensely I had something very similar happen to me awhile ago, although the situation around it was retarded. I saw a feels guy meme involving Jesus and felt a warm surge of energy like you described flow through me. I know it sounds completely retarded, and I even considered if it was me making myself feel this energy while it was happening, but to this day I can't really convince myself of it being self-induced or something else. It's a sensation I have neither felt before or since that happened. Either way I've completely disavowed Christianity. If yahweh is real, I'd rather spend eternity in hell with my people and some of the greatest men to ever live than spend it with some Jewish god who tells me to put him before my family.
>>8613 My rationalization of all of this is that Jesus was an extremely powerful sage. If we look at the writings about Jesus taken collectively, i.e. not just what the (((Church))) deemed to be canon, throwing away the so-called heretical writings, we get a much different picture that can be more easily reconciled with traditional pagan worldviews and figures such as Apollonius of Tyana, maybe someone like Pythagoras, the Buddha, Vishvamitra, etc. The other explanation, of course, is a psyop being perpetrated by Yahweh, but if you've ever been attacked by a discarnate spirit, it's very discernible.
>>8621 Have you read any of Ralph Waldo Emerson's work before? His views of Jesus are very similar to yours, or at least that is how I interpreted them. Emerson and the other transcendentalists are worth a read. Ralph Waldo Emerson- Nature https://archive.org/details/naturemunroe00emerrich/page/28/mode/2up Ralph Waldo Emerson- The American Scholar (w/ others) https://archive.org/details/americanscholar01emergoog/page/n26/mode/2up Ralph Waldo Emerson- An Address https://archive.org/details/addressdelivered1838emer
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>>8627 >Have you read any of Ralph Waldo Emerson's work before? No, I have not, but thank you for the links, anon. I am vaguely aware that RWE was a great fan of the Gita and the Upanishads (as am I), so I am sure that I will find these interesting. I'll have to start looking at these more in-depth later tonight
>>8621 >>8508 >>8613 To the both of you, that was not a psy-op from Yahweh it was Othinn himslef, or through a patron Norse god, or even your ancestors warning you to stay the fuck away from the Christianity and Jesus, who was not real, because venerating him will bring you into Yahweh's eyes, and that is the last thing we need.
>>8631 >stay the fuck away from the Christianity and Jesus I'm not a fan of yahweh, so you don't have to worry about me. > it was Othinn himself I'm not sure what it was. It could definitely be that depending on how I interpret it. Do not let the whole jesus thing scare you away from the transcendalists. They were decades ahead of their time. Emerson is trapped in the bad goy cage by his love of Jesus, and you can feel it in his writing. He wants so desperately to reform the church into something synergetic with nature, but is unable to because of the baggage attached to the Christian church.
Why does it matter if rabbi yeshu was real or not, I think he lived seeing how butthurt his cult made the jews/other rabbis to keep cursing him in the talmud and their kike hate scribbles serves reality quite clearly. It seems to me that yeshu himself might have been more based than the for lack of a better term dickriding grifters and jews that came after decided to write a bunch of retarded bullshit accounts to spawn their kike "do nothing goy" false morality poisonous cult so they could have retarded slaves who serve them and the cuck cult of their own volition, ultimately in order so the cult could be rich and have power, because the well narrated fables to serve the desert demon yaweh went viral. In my mind he lived and there's no way yeshu himself was more damaging than what abomination of christuckery came after him, yeshu was merely a brave rebel who made the fatal mistake unlike the warlord muhamed, not to fight and preach violence and destruction of his enemies.
>>8631 I cannot speak for the experience of the other anon, but it did not feel like a warning to me. A good warning would leave me feeling averse to the thing warned against, not more curious. Not to sound arrogant here, but I am too high IQ to fall into Yahweh's soul-trap. The Jews were too dumb to understand it, but Jesus was trying to teach advanced yogic techniques to a bunch of retarded materialistic Jews. They couldn't understand. Not even the disciples of Jesus could understand. In the so-called canonical gospels there are indications of this, and there is a supreme confirmation in the Gospel of Judas, where Jesus mocks his disciples for performing the eucharist and for worshiping their false godlet. Only Judas realizes realizes the truth. Once one dives into Plato, the Upanishads and similar texts, they have immunized against Christian trickery.
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>>8639 If one really studies history, they will quickly discover that there is an interesting correspondence between Paul's fan fiction of Jesus' teachings and how Jewish kabbalist Nathan of Gaza elaborated and explained the teachings of Jewish messiah claimant Shabbetai Zevi through the teachings of Isaac Luria. It's extremely striking. This of course paved the way for Jacob Frank as well.
>>8639 >>8642 >>8648 Is it possible that Jesus made himself an enemy of the Jews by trying to teach actual truth instead of a disgusting, materialistic religion, and the jews, as jews will do, punished jesus by transforming him from an emblem of truth into the figurehead of a golem religion?
>>8649 Very possible. His parables were an attempt to teach his fellow Jews that they were living in error, and they sperged out because they wanted Yahweh’s promises of dominating the planet and the goyim more than anything else. What better way to nip it in the bud than to hijack it and totally pervert it after his death? There’s a lot of evidence for the true teachings being sprinkled throughout even the canonical Gospels if you know what to look for and know how is Jewish garbage and what is well-established in Platonic and Dharmic philosophy. Now some anons might ask what is the point of dwelling on all of this, what does it matter? It actually matters a lot, because Whites in the West are still attracted to this man in a sense, and through using the correction interpretations of these teachings and through showing the actions of the Jews and especially Paul, one can direct Whites away from worshiping Yahweh and towards less pozzed pagan worldviews which incorporate *some* of these teachings and lessen the corrosive influence of others. I go around spreading this message IRL when I can and have slowly pushed a few in the right direction.
>>8649 I'll pretend hypothetically that Jesus existed. >trying to teach truth No he wasn't trying to teach truth, because he denounced most of what is eternally true, (the pagans, mankind is part of nature, we are inequal, Yahweh is not God, the state of the cosmos, etc). What he wanted was not to teach truth, but reform Judaism, so it would be less degenerate to prevent a similar story to what supposedly happened at Sodom and Gomorrah onto Israel and bring spirit within all those who learned from Abraham. To turn jews away from being deceitful criminals to wise and light-hearted nobles who's will and faith are only under Yahweh. Which is impossible and contradictory, because Abrahamicism only appeals to the common man over the noble/strong and does not encourage for what is truly noble. The kikes were only assblasted, because they lost the arguments against Jesus and were openly condemned for their typical judaic behavior. Their egotism is what got prophets and priests to call the Romans to have christ nailed on a cross for speaking out against the Israelis.
>>8683 The argument that Jesus was teaching some sort of higher truths is reconstructed from a handful of verses scattered from throughout the gospels. Before I get to why these are important and show what verses I'm talking about, it's important to remember that we had a forty year gap between Jesus' death and the appearance of the first gospels in around ~70 CE. This is not to say that we don't have the letters of Paul, or that churches weren't already being established in this era, of course, but the first actually detailed writings on Jesus that have survived, are all (crucially, might I add) Post-Paul. Along with the fact that the so-called canonical Gospels all exist under the shadow of Paul, they are also written in Greek. The language of Jesus and his disciples, of course, was Aramaic. This is not extremely surprising though, as Greek was becoming by this time the international language of that part of the Mediterranean, and we can find various deuterocanonical books in the OT which are written in Greek such as the Wisdom of Solomon, etc, so it's not unheard of for Jews to do this. But still, it's at least important to point out that we have a gap, and then a switch of language at some point. One of the main academic theories is that for a period there was an oral transmission of various tales for a time and then later, gradually, the writing of various gospels. The gospels are similar, but have different emphases. There are historical aspects, but we must always keep in mind that these Jews were writing hagiography on this man and framing the way we look at him very carefully. This said, there are many potential areas in the gospels were we get a hint that Jesus might have been teaching something more. These are puzzling to ignorant Christians today, but when looked at from a different perspective, we can find a lot to learn. Luke 8:9-10 >Then his disciples asked him what this parable meant. He said, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but to others I speak in parables, so that 'looking they may not perceive, and listening they may not understand.'" Mark 4:33-34 <With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything. Matthew 13:34 <Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. This shows here that Jesus is being very conscious to his audience here. A good teacher teaches in accordance with the capacities of the audience. He knew that the masses were unable to understand his true message, so he spoke in parables. Crucially, we hardly ever learn what the disciples were truly taught except in a few select parables. WHAT WERE THE TRUE TEACHINGS? Luke 17:21 <And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian does not understand what this means, but the pagan does. At most the Christian will extract some sort of 'feel-good' meaning out of this, but in reality Jesus here is talking about the true spiritual self of the individual, the exact same thing talked about by Plato, by Pythagoras, by the followers of Orphism, by the sages who composed the Upanishads and their talk of the atman, and by the Jains. The Jews thought that the 'kingdom of God' would be a physical kingdom on Earth, but Jesus here was teaching that the truth lies within, or that the Absolute reality is reflected in the very depths of our being. This is the root of the gnostic saying 'Know thyself'. Crucially, in the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus makes the crucial linkage between the kingdom of God and the imperative of knowing the self: <Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." In John 10:30 Jesus makes the statement that "I and the Father are one." In contemporary Christian theology this means that Jesus is God and that he should be worshiped as God. Jesus here is really saying that he has emptied himself of false ego and has become an instrument of the divine on Earth, exactly like Hitler did.
>>8683 >>8684 Important to note though, but I ran out of space in my last post, I'm not telling you or anyone else to ignore the gods or our ancestors in favor of Jesus. I am just saying that there is an argument to be made about Jesus that places him more along the lines of other sages in the past. I can draw many parallels with Apollonius of Tyana, but I doubt that many people actively place Apollonius in the center of their life, even though he was an interesting man, and similarly really there's no reason to place Jesus in the center of one's life either. I mainly use these things to try to convert Christcucks over to some sort of semi-Dharmic variety of paganism, because at least that combines teachings like this with hierarchy, both a singular God and many gods, and with sanctioned violence and duty.
>>8613 >>8684 Dude, he didn't exist, at all, nor did his disciples, none of them existed, all are either bastardized stories of jews or even Pagan figures, Mary = Artemis/Diana, for instance. Paul is likely the only figure who was real as Saul, and probably did exactly what I have described above with Mark and Gamaliel's help. Setting aside that absolutely no evidence exists for him whatsoever when you take out all the obvious interpolations from shit like Josephus and Tacitus, and notice that the references in the Mishnah are responses to rebel jews who followed Christ before they were called Christians and were just Nazarene(this is where the name Nazareth comes from, the city itself never existed until WELL after Rome fell, it's location today was always a jewish tomb site and they live well away from their graveyards) or Essene jews with a plus, the entirety of the "Gospels" are forgeries and fiction, none of it reflects reality. The reason a Native European Spiritualist can identify lessons that a christcuck misses is because the shit was stolen from pagans, almost all of it thats not sourced back to jewish bullshit, warped and bastardized over and over sometimes as late as the 5th century CE. Is Jesus as a spiritual entity real? Probably, after 20 centuries of worship it would be nearly impossible that some kind of entity wouldn't be empowered by that, but he would remain naught but a shard of Yahweh. In fact all the evidence indicates Christians were left pretty much alone, and were of small number as they insidiously wormed their way into power with Constantine(May his soul ever rot in Nithogg's embrace).
How does one remove the mark left by baptism on the soul? I don't think the church will let me access my baptism records, so I need another way.
>>1395 Hey bros. I'm still working my way through the whole thread but I'm gonna jump in and raise a couple points. I'm really into pagan mythology and studying the beliefs of our ancestors, but I still can't let go of Christianity. Two reasons >1) my direct documented ancestors were all Christians It's difficult for me to think that they were deceived fools and that their whole worldview was misguided and useless. My 7x great grandfather was part of a group expelled from Germany due to their particular brand of protestantism. He was a patriarch and founded a huge family and his church still stands today. Christianity was fundamental to what he did and how I got here. Was he a cucked kike retard? I think not. >2) something of a continuation of 1, what are the living traditions of paganism? Granted those of Christianity are pretty sorry, at present. But they could be rehabilitated I think. On the other hand, we have no continuous line we can trace back to our pagan ancestors. Maybe some swede bros or something, but for most of us all our known ancestors were Christian. Christianity allegedly teaches slave morality. But what morality does paganism teach? There is no doctrine or dogma. There's nothing concrete. I find paganism quite interesting and I think there's value in studying it. But from my own studies it's pretty squishy. Hence why you have faggots and retards talking about trans Norse gods and gender equality and so on. The sources are pretty dispersed so one can make what one wants from them without much liability of being *deboonked*. That's talking about Norse mythology. Then you get into the whole Aryan/Vedic religion and it's basically all lost. There's some Gita shit but it always comes across and pajeet garbage. Either that or paganism is just dressed up SCIENCE! and atheism. I don't know. We need God. And I agree it would be better if he wasn't jewish. We just need a brand new prophet with metaphysical miracles. I don't want to shit on my known, documented, literal ancestors in favor of some pajeet reboot fantasy or some femboy retard Norse shit. If nothing else Christianity pretty well established patriarchy in the West and I appreciate that. One of the reasons it's been so ruthlessly undermined. >tl;dr: I can't let go of Christianity because it's the religion of my flesh and blood ancestors. I regret it being Jewish but I don't think paganism is any better.
>>8706 >notice that the references in the Mishnah are responses to rebel jews who followed Christ before they were called Christians and were just Nazarene Not sure what your point is here, not even Romans identified Christians as different from Jews in the beginning. Julian the Apostate called them 'Galileans'. Nazareth is in Galilee. Paul had no conception of himself as 'Christian'. A settled name for the religion didn't pop up over night. An old term for Christians in Arabic today is naṣrāniyy, literally from 'Nazarenes'. That's still what Jews call them in Hebrew today, nots'rí. Nazarenes = Christians, because Jesus was from Nazareth. >(this is where the name Nazareth comes from, the city itself never existed until WELL after Rome fell, it's location today was always a jewish tomb site and they live well away from their graveyards) The smallest amount of research will show that the archeological record for Nazareth goes way back, and existed in Hellenistic / Roman times. Also there is a shit ton of tombs in historical Jerusalem even from ancient times, so the fact of a few tombs being found near Nazareth is meaningless. There's also been tons of pottery, stone bowls, cups and normal every day artifacts discovered. >Essene jews Have nothing to do with Galilee or Nazareth. >the entirety of the "Gospels" are forgeries and fiction, none of it reflects reality. Coping hard Daily reminder there is no satisfactory explanation for the rise of Christianity without its founder. It's like trying to explain Islam without Muhammad. It's retarded.
>>8766 >The smallest amount of research will show that the archeological record for Nazareth goes way back, and existed in Hellenistic / Roman times So research that are lied about and made up by jewish/christcuck archeologists. They're first to claim that a Judaic city existed, but are willing to dismiss Troy and other great Aryan cities existences. >Also there is a shit ton of tombs in historical Jerusalem even from ancient times, so the fact of a few tombs being found near Nazareth is meaningless. There's also been tons of pottery, stone bowls, cups and normal every day artifacts discovered. You losers keep telling us that something exists or happened and won't reference nor link it. Either give us sources for your claims or you're full of shit and a dumb shill. >Essene jews Have nothing to do with Galilee or Nazareth. <tfw that Essenes did not have influences on christcuck monaticism Josephus' mentions of the jews lifestyle and customs, which have also influenced christcucks, because everything Josephus has said is a big inspiration for Abrahamists. >Coping hard Go back to cuckchan and go join your fellow jew fellators there. >Daily reminder there is no satisfactory explanation for the rise of Christianity without its founder. Daily reminder that there is still exist no solid evidence of Jesus' and Muhammad's existence. > It's like trying to explain Islam without Muhammad. It's retarded. What a fucking mess of a statement you posted. You think you can't fool the masses into thinking that a founder of a religion existed, because one guy has to exist enable to validify it as a legit religion? How do you explain the popularity of cults then? Are they all valid, because it's retarded to assume that their founder does not exist, even though they vaguely ever confirm their existence of the supposed great man they worship? There is every good reason to create fictional great men or prophets and venerate them as genuine beings. It's always done as political propaganda or as a will to power, rather than spiritual enlightenment, and is often designed to create social changes and control the minds of everyone within a society. Think I'm full of shit? Look at how Rome's (((elites))) turned to Yahweh for the desire of control and changes of Rome and the Romans, or take a look at how the muzzies were able to conquer Persia and the many elites who betrayed Zoroaster and the royals for political power and advantages. After words many of the churches of Rome, Germany, Greece, and Russia now have to constantly edit important text of their own and those who do not agree with them to validate their false religions. It's retarded to think that it's impossible to fool normalfags into thinking that a fictional character is real or that he had to exist otherwise the religion would fall apart. We're talking about the same people who have been modernized and now take Marvel films as a form of potential science and biblically.
>>8764 Paganism (i.e. pre-Christian indigenous European ways of life and spiritual traditions) never fully died off. This is what it is important to remember. Christian elements were placed gradually onto the culture of our pagan ancestors. Tons of pagan elements survive in Europe today in the form of folklore, old myths and legends, and in many forms of arts and crafts. What exactly those will be, of course, will depend on your exact ancestry and country you live in. A growing interest in the 19th centuries over the deep histories of European nations, their cultures and folklore is in fact what led to a growing interest in paganism as a lived tradition after such a long period of time, along with other factors such as the translation of some Sanskrit texts from the East into German, English, French and other languages. >Hence why you have faggots and retards talking about trans Norse gods and gender equality and so on. The sources are pretty dispersed so one can make what one wants from them without much liability of being *deboonked*. I would have to disagree. The texts do not support this at all if one reads them as they were written. This is basically the same as liberal Protestants claiming that God in Christianity is accepting of sexual immorality, homosexuality, transgenderism and feminism. It's just not supported by the traditions themselves if one looks into the sources. The reason this sort of stereotype exists is not due to historical pagans, but to modern New Agers who have attempted to co-opt the term pagan for their own uses. New Age spirituality is very ego-centered, consumerist, anti-traditionalist and materialistic. They often lack all historical or traditional grounding. Wicca is a great example of a fraud 'religion' based on Freemasonry and the degenerate doctrines of Aleister Crowley. Lots of degenerate ideas about sex and other leftist ideas float around in these circles. I am reiterating here what I have said elsewhere, and to see what real pagan societies in Europe and beyond believed, skim over this: >>7905, >>7912, >>7913. > Then you get into the whole Aryan/Vedic religion and it's basically all lost Hard disagree here. We have the four Vedas, and perhaps even more importantly, there are over a hundred Upanishads, which date from the same period (i.e. when Vedic India was still 100% Aryan), and are all highly philosophical texts which consist of dialogues, discussions and lectures and stories. These dive into the nature of the soul, and its relation with the Absolute / God. The Upanishads are the foundation of Vedanta (lit. 'the end or goal of the Vedas), which is the apex of all Vedic teachings. I honestly have to say that without Vedanta, my understanding of authentic Aryan paganism would be severely impoverished. We can see these texts praised by Whites such as Ralph Waldo Emerson, Arthur Schopenhauer, Henry David Thoreau, Max Mueller and many other eminent men. And then on top of the Vedic and Upanishadic core, we have several massive epics such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata which date back thousands of years as well (the Bhagavad Gita being actually just a tiny part of the latter). >There's some Gita shit but it always comes across and pajeet garbage Which aspects? Because this is actually a text that I love to have Christians read since at its core it is concerned with reaching the Lord through devotion according to His grace, teaching to do everything in life as an offering to God, and to live a life of action and duty, working without concern for the fruits of the actions. A beautiful message. >Either that or paganism is just dressed up SCIENCE! and atheism. Do not worry, these people are hated here. Crypto-atheists are retarded. >We need God Yes, God exists, I have no doubt in my mind. There are also gods and nature spirits as well in a divine hierarchy of being that literally exist. No metaphors or allegory here. The best way to view Aryan paganism is from the standpoint of a single metaphysical Truth that all of them more or less share in their deepest core. There is an outer exoteric exterior that is shaped by culture, unique ancestral experiences and environment, and a higher esoteric core beyond these differences. They are not perfectly 'one', but the similarities are extremely remarkable. This is why people are looking at living traditions in the East and elsewhere. I see the truth in aspects of it, and I can see the parallels in European philosophical endeavors, and so I construct a greater picture in my mind of the reality that we live in, and gradually it begins to make more and more sense. Learning from other Aryan traditions does not mean adopting aspects of the current cultures these exist in, by no means. I have a bit more to address that I will add in a second post. Ran out of room.
>>8770 >So research that are lied about and made up by jewish/christcuck archeologists. They're first to claim that a Judaic city existed, but are willing to dismiss Troy and other great Aryan cities existences. You know, that's a great point, actually, but it doesn't automatically mean that everything that they are saying is faked here. Not to get too schizo here, but almost all of archeological work is completely fucked since they want to sell us the meme that human society is only a few millennia old, and that humans only appeared in their modern forms in the last 100,000 or so years. There exists tons of anomalous evidence for higher human civilization going into the distant past, but due to a bias in academia and a process of knowledge filtration, this is covered up by mainstream sources. Much of these would confirm Aryan religions and so-called 'myths' if they were to be admitted as actual evidence. >Either give us sources for your claims or you're full of shit and a dumb shill. https://archive.fo/JnuQD >tfw that Essenes did not have influences on christcuck monaticism Arguable. Christian monasticism largely began in Egypt long after the life of Jesus and Paul with people like St. Anthony the Great. Eventually when the Roman state stopped persecuting Christians people began to seek new ways of dedication to the religion other than getting martyred, since this was increasingly impossible. Monasticism came to be seen as the 'new martyrdom'. Now the Essenes probably did have an influence on the environment that Christianity popped up in. There is some similarities, and there was an opposition to the Temple among these people as well, and there has been links between John the Baptist and the Essenes theorized before too if I am recalling correctly. What I was meaning by what you quoted though was that the Essenes, being essentially localized in Qumran, don't really have much to do with Galilee or Nazareth as a location. >Daily reminder that there is still exist no solid evidence of [...] Muhammad's existence. This is even harder to deny that Jesus'. There are literally people today who are directly descended from Muhammad and his tribe. We even have part of a Qur'anic manuscript carbon-dated to the lifetime of Muhammad. To no one surprises, the biggest pushers of Muhammad mythicism are Zionist Jews such as (((Yehuda P. Nevo))) >It's retarded to think that it's impossible to fool normalfags into thinking that a fictional character is real or that he had to exist otherwise the religion would fall apart I'm not talking about normalfags that the religion was spread to later, I'm talking about the beginning of the religion itself
>>8772 >https://www.independent.co.uk >British archeologist Yeah, no. >Arguable. Christian monasticism largely began in Egypt long after the life of Jesus and Paul with people like St. Anthony the Great. And do you think it's not possible that they took ideas from the Essene jews? Also I never said where it began I said it influenced their monaticism. And then I specifically stated that Josephus' accounts of all the jews, have inspired Christianity as a whole which invalidates your point. >This is even harder to deny that Jesus'. Except we just did it earlier. >There are literally people today who are directly descended from Muhammad and his tribe. >Doubt.jpeg Anyone can claim to be from a great person. and too many have done so, for example Alexander The Great, Christ himself has them, Khan, etc, etc has many claiming to be direct descendants of them. >We even have part of a Qur'anic manuscript carbon-dated to the lifetime of Muhammad >carbon-dated >reliable Here we go again with the claims without sources again. Funny how you only gave me one source of your bullcrap and didn't list the others. Carbon-dating is unreliable and mudslimes are no different from christians when it comes to lying. It's time to go away jew. >I'm not talking about normalfags the religion was spread to later Hey buddy, did you know that the normalfag mindset is one of the reason why muzzies and christfags are one of the largest organized religions today? > I'm talking about the beginning of the religion itself The beginning of religion itself did not spread, it was worshipped among kin, until invasions, the invention of priesthood, and temples to worship God(s) were built. Any religion that has spread among the masses was either due to forced conversions, grooming, or priests appealing to the lowest common denominators.
>>8764 Continuing from >>8771 It is more of a pity than anything that Europeans were persecuting each other so much over this religion than anything else. I wouldn't call any of your ancestors foolish, they surely thought they were doing the right thing, I am sure they were more spiritually nourished than most today, but ultimately all Europeans were slowly roped into Christianity through political intrigue, marriages and top-down conversions which led them away from their native traditions and spirituality. I think God exists and that there is efficacy to prayer so it is not like I think they were totally astray, they were more on the right path than subhumans today. Ultimately I think Christianity is false and harmful though. >Christianity allegedly teaches slave morality. But what morality does paganism teach? There is no doctrine or dogma. There's nothing concrete. Indo-European / Non-Abrahamic worldviews are based on the concept of Natural Law. Aryans believed that the universe was part of a larger cosmic order. This is the basic principle by which the entire cosmos, physical, spiritual, ethical, etc. abides. This is not to be confused with 'laws of nature', which are scientific laws and laws of physics. Natural Law is explicitly moral and appears over and over again throughout Indo-European traditions under various names. Among the Zoroastrians this cosmic order was called Asha. The Vedic tradition has the concept of Ṛta, or Dharma. In pre-Christian Lithuania this was called Darna (more on that here >>1402). The Greeks referred to a divine order of nature called the Physis which differed from the mutable human laws referred to as 'nomos'. In non-Indo-European traditions such as the Chinese, we have a concept of the Tao / Dao, the way of things, the underlying natural order of the universe. Shintō literally means 'the way of the gods', using the same character as 'Tao' in the second half of the word. And we can find similar ideas among the Stoics in Greece again, where God is the guiding principle of the universe. Now what similarities do we have between these traditions? Typically something like the following: >belief in a divine cosmic order >belief that nature and human society are hierarchical >belief that spirit is ontologically prior to matter >belief that man is a social being >belief that the universe is populated or animated by various sorts of supernatural entities, gods and spirits >reverence for tradition and the ancestors >belief in a cyclical system of four ages, devolving from perfection to degeneration before returning to the original perfected state >belief in a minimally tripartite universe of the material universe, heavenly realms and infernal realms >no distinction between the secular and the religious Probably much more can be said, but these are probably pretty uncontroversial ones here. Pagan religions don't adhere to 'slave morality' because they don't have the sort of things in their traditions and scriptures were being weak or foolish is praised. Wisdom, strength, beauty and all of that is celebrated in pagan traditions, but it has its root in the spiritual.
>>8772 Your link is not evidence that they found Nazareth. and They've only found fragments and bowls that may have has some connections to jew rituals, but that confirms nothing, because it's still possible that it existed after words.
>>1650 I find this take much more palatable than >jesus was jew! >krishna is the aryan god! >wears tunic, burns stuff >>4424 Thought I was reading my own post for a second. I agree with you. Perhaps a conscious religious evolution in a syncretic direction is called for at this point. I think this is sort of where Serrano was headed with Son of the Widower, a sort of fusion of Nordic and Abrahamic mythologies. We definitely need a new prophet or avatar or whatever.
>>8774 >Yeah, no. It must be convenient to dump any source you find that you don't like, or to screech about it being an interpolation or a forgery. >Anyone can claim to be from a great person. and too many have done so, for example Alexander The Great, Christ himself has them, Khan, etc, etc has many claiming to be direct descendants of them. Muhammad's tribe literally still exists today. Arabs are very proud of their lineages and trace them in detail. And of course there exist(ed) people directly descended from Genghis Khan. I have zero doubt about this either. I wouldn't see any evidence that one can reliably claim to be descended from Jesus though, because he had no children we know of, and we don't know much at all of his brothers and sisters beyond James, and I don't think he has any recorded descendants either. >Also I never said where it began I said it influenced their monaticism Yeah, and you were proved wrong. Both eremitic and cenobitic monasticism in Christianity didn't begin until like the mid 200s and 300s onward in places like Egypt (Anthony, Paul of Thebes, Pachomius), Anatolia (Symeon the Stylite). None of these men were even Jews and had nothing to do with Essenes.
>>8776 >Your link is not evidence that they found Nazareth <New archaeological evidence from Nazareth <evidence from Nazareth <from Nazareth The link is not even intended to be some hard-hitting proof that Nazareth existed at the time. It's literally undeniable. As far as I'm concerned this is just a bunch of hysterics and desperate attempts to deny everything about Christianity needlessly when there is no reason to do so, because I am easily able to debunk Christianity without being dishonest and pretending that every piece of evidence is fake and part of some grand conspiracy.
>>8781 >Believing MSM >Taking the title as valid evdience Are you stupid? We're looking for the city of Nazareth that Jesus grew up in and all that was found was bowls, stone vessels and fragments. Nothing has confirmed that this is the same town that Jesus grew up in or if he was established beforehand. >The link is not even intended to be some hard-hitting proof that Nazareth existed at the time. It's literally undeniable. It literally is deniable, because it's not even close to a confirmation.
>>8782 >We're looking for the city of Nazareth that Jesus grew up in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth
>>8786 Pretending to be retarded is still retarded. Wikipedia is a jew site and when I said we're looking for, I meant we are looking for the same city that the Jesus' was born. Just admit you don't have evidence, hebrew.
>>8766 >Not sure what your point is here, not even Romans identified Christians as different from Jews in the beginning. Because they weren't different, and aren't really all that different today, all the stories of your false cult hadn't been made up or stolen and transvaluated by the jews and race traitors who made it all up. >Julian the Apostate called them 'Galileans'. Nazareth is in Galilee. Nazareth, the location now was a tomb site for jews, the place those jews lived in before Hadrian the based Roman Emperor purged the entirety of the realm was on the other end of the valley, and jews e=ven today refuse to live anywhere near their own tombs never mind that Josdephus doesn't mention a NAzareth at all and he followed a military campaign across the entirety of judea, >Paul had no conception of himself as 'Christian'. Saul was a Jewish Agent, who wasn't even executed by Nero(who again didn't burn the city of Rome to persecute christians, who weren't even under that name nor would he have noticed if they were) who intentionally spread some Jewish doctrine, probably something mostly similar to Essene Judaism crossed with a Solar or Mithras Worship cult, to jews and pathetic Weaklings and subversives and race traitors in Rome. Most of the work to create your "Savior" was done after his time by the way. >A settled name for the religion didn't pop up over night. The name for your religion didn't pop up until the second century, nor do most of the "practitioners" of it mention any savior or any of the supposed things he did, not even Saul, to them it's almost like he was entirely non-physical, an entity or shard of the jewish god that people like you came later and made into a man for some unknown reason maybe to ape on Romulus and Remus >An old term for Christians in Arabic today is naṣrāniyy, literally from 'Nazarenes'. Which originates from two places possibly a sect of jews that existed, and was often conflated with Christians later on, called the Nazarenes which were not at that time followers of but as Mandeans, a sect that still exists today in fact and fled Judea because of conflict with the jews or from the Nazarites, a no longer practiced vow in judaism(probably only because of the lack of a Temple in Jerusalem) but that has been revived in some form in several christjew sects in the US. >That's still what Jews call them in Hebrew today, nots'rí. I don't care what jews use toi refer to you Archaeological evidence show that "Nazareth was created by christians long after the time of Yeshua, had only ever had obviously non jewiosh very sparse farmers anywhere near by and was literall just a Tomb site, which jews avoid living within a certain distance of. >Nazarenes = Christians, because Jesus was from Nazareth. False, Nazarenes = Mandeans, today, and has since before the destruction of the second temple bas they had the name first, and it is probably their conflict with their fellow semites/jews that led to you faggots taking it and whatever "glory" it had to use to buttress up your claim at the "correct" form of judaism. >Have nothing to do with Galilee or Nazareth. False, as that is the form of judaism that it is believed by those who believe in your fiction, that Yeshua practiced at the direction of his also fake mother and step-father both essene jews. >Daily reminder there is no satisfactory explanation for the rise of Christianity without its founder. It's like trying to explain Islam without Muhammad. It's retarded. Daily reminder, that I have several time in this thread alone explained the origins of christianity without reference to Yeshua and in fact acknowledging his inexistence. Almost everything that makes up your cult of spiritually semitic jew-worshippers was created after the fact, most in the second through 5th centuries and even as late as this century. People continue to make up and lie about the entire thing today, Christian Identity, Christian "Aryanism", and many other bastard sects, popping up on the regular prove it. All continue the great tradition of falsehood and fiction that is the entirety of Christianity, which is just another reflection of it's Semitic/jewish roots.
>>8780 >It must be convenient to dump any source you find that you don't like, or to screech about it being an interpolation or a forgery. Hmm, maybe it's because it comes from a jew site and nothing other than a bunch of bowls are said to be around the city? >Muhammad's tribe literally still exists today. >Still no sources >Arabs are very proud of their lineages and trace them in detail I don't care what mudslimes are proud of, either prove that there is a tribe of them that come from Muhammad or shut up. >And of course there exist(ed) people directly descended from Genghis Khan. There exists descendants of Khan, but there are also mere claims if not frauds. You're just stating obvious shit and not arguing. >Both eremitic and cenobitic monasticism in Christianity didn't begin until like the mid 200s and 300s onward in places like Egypt >None of these men were even Jews and had nothing to do with Essenes. Eremitic and cenobitic monasticism were both inspired by the essenes jews. How do you not get that christians did not only draw inspirations from the Galilees, but also from others corresponding jews who practiced spiritual rituals that were important to them? The monaticism of the christfags took inspiration from guys like John the Baptist and Elijah who were said to be Essenes themselves and (((jesus))) himself is also said to have done baptism and rituals similar to their own, so I don't see how it's impossible for them to only have done them until the 200s and 300s when there was nothing stopping them from doing so and Jesus himself lived a life that was similar to their own. >b-but they kept it off from them Unfucking likely, because christianity was a religion for all jews to join and many of them did become worshippers of christ no matter the tribe or city. The oldest of Christians were also said to have practice something similar to essenes monaticism to worship virgin mary, so I don't see how they had nothing to do with the essenes and monaticism until 4th century AD when it is only thought to have been practiced by then.
>>8790 >Romulus and Remus Literal fiction just like the Jew living rent-free in your head
>>8792 I never said Romulus or Remus were real people, dumbass but a good bit of Jesus was inspired by the story, as well as inspired by the Homeric Epics, which were based on real events, unlike your jewish cult, you have lost as your kind always do.
>>5282 >downsyndrome_interdasting.jpg
>>5293 I knew I recognized that name.
>>5324 Agreed. I don't play video games at all. Gamer culture is pathetic and should be eradicated from our ranks. I come on here and shitpost regularly, but then again I only do that while I'm at work and not working - like a nigger.
>>8790 > Because they weren't different, and aren't really all that different today Never was claimed that they weren't. >Nazareth, the location now was a tomb site for jews You keep parroting this, but there is no evidence for this claim. >never mind that Josdephus doesn't mention a NAzareth at all and he followed a military campaign across the entirety of judea, Wow Josephus didn't mention a Jewish hamlet? Shocking. Let's not forget that even if Josephus mentioned Nazareth you'd be claiming that it was a Christian interpolation and fake. >and was often conflated with Christians later on, called the Nazarenes which were not at that time followers of but as Mandeans, a sect that still exists today Retarded. There's nothing to conflate here. PAUL IS CALLED THE RINGLEADER OF THE SECT OF NAZARENES / NAZOREANS IN ACTS 24:5. And the Church Fathers such as Jerome later referred to a slightly different Christian sect that did not follow the teachings of Paul regarding the law Nazarenes: <In our own day there exists a sect among the Jews throughout all the synagogues of the East, which is called the sect of the Minei, and is even now condemned by the Pharisees. The adherents to this sect are known commonly as Nazarenes; they believe in Christ the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary; and they say that He who suffered under Pontius Pilate and rose again, is the same as the one in whom we believe. But while they desire to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102075.htm These are not Mandaeans. Mandaeans revere John the Baptist and HATE JESUS <In some texts, however, it is said that Anoš and Manda ḏHayyē appeared in Usa together with Jesus Christ (Mšiha), and exposed him as a lying prophet. This tradition can be explained by an anti-Christian concept, which is also found in Mandaeism, but, according to several scholars, it contains scarcely any traditions of historical events. Because of the strong dualism in Mandaeism, between body and soul, great attention is paid to the "deliverance" of the soul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism There is no room for conflation here. Paul was referred to dozens of times in Acts as being a leader of the Nazarene sect. There were undeniably Christian sects (though hostile to Paulism) that referred to themselves as Nazarenes and this is why Hebrew and Arabic both call Christians names deriving from this!. The Qur'an also mentions Mandaeans too by the name of Sabians, showing that there is zero conflation >that Yeshua practiced at the direction of his also fake mother and step-father both essene jews. <source: your ass
>>8794 Nice samefag christcuck. >>8798 Who cares? Abrahamicism is a nothing, but a desert religion that holds no spirit or anything good in the world and riddled with lies. Fascism and Christianity are incompatible and never can work together.
>>8798 >You keep parroting this, but there is no evidence for this claim. You keep parroting that the Church controlled Archaeologists can be trusted, and I did provide a source which lists all of it's sources in it's bibliography not my fault you didn't check it out. >Wow Josephus didn't mention a Jewish hamlet? Shocking. Let's not forget that even if Josephus mentioned Nazareth you'd be claiming that it was a Christian interpolation and fake. Yes it is strange that he didn't mention it as he was part of a war campaign that was set to level Judea, and he didn't mention a village on the other end of a valley from a location he did mention, as such it didn't exist in his time well after jesus is supposed to have existed. Were there either jews or a village there the Romans WOULD have purged it with extreme prejudice and JOSEPHUS WOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT. Yes, if he did somehow mention a city that did not exist before the second century and was a creation of "christians" I would call it an interpolation because it would be. >Retarded. There's nothing to conflate here. PAUL IS CALLED THE RINGLEADER OF THE SECT OF NAZARENES / NAZOREANS IN ACTS 24:5. And the Church Fathers such as Jerome later referred to a slightly different Christian sect that did not follow the teachings of Paul regarding the law Nazarenes: No, there is plenty to conflate, as Acts wasn't written by Saul, and whomever did write it knew that the christian sect at that time was quite Gnostic just like Mandaens,(this Gnostic shit lasted for almost 400 years until orthodoxy began to win out through force from above) in fact they were most likely an offshoot of the Mandaeans who took up Solar Worship, so in essence this is another instance of lies and falsehoods, this happens a lot with christians. Your little book is entirely made up lies and as such completely untrustworthy, just like most of the shit in the old testament, turns out both jews and christjews love to make shit up and steal shit, who would have thought it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans This shows the historyu of the Mandaeans more accurately than what you;'ve posted and includes this little tidbit They formally refer to themselves as Nasurai (Nasoraeans). John the Baptist (late 1st century BC – c. AD 30) was a Jewish itinerant preacher in the early 1st century AD. and is the most likely basis for the story of jesus as a real human he lived around the same time in fact the first time european christians came across them the similarities were so great at first that they directly called them Christians of St. John. Following is a few posts that show the sources of the book I posted here >>8460
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Jenifer Cochrane, The Illustrated History of Medicine (Tiger, 1996) Dan Cohn-Sherbok, The Crucified Jew (Harper Collins 1992) William Cook & Ronald Herzman, The Medieval World View (OUP, 1983) Barry Cunliffe, Facing the Ocean - The Atlantic & Its People (OUP, 2001) William Dalrymple, From the Holy Mountain (Flamingo, 1998) Vivian Davies & Renee Friedman, Egypt (British Museum, 1999) J.A. de Gobineau, The World of the Persians (Minerva, 1971) Frank Delaney, A Walk in the Dark Ages (Collins, 1988) N. de Lange (ed.) The Il ustrated History of the Jewish People (Aurum, 1997) Peter de Rosa, Vicars of Christ (Bantam, 1988) Esther de Waal, The Celtic Way of Prayer (Hodder and Stoughton, 1996) Aidan Dodson, Monarchs of the Nile (Rubicon, 1995) Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle (Age of Reason, 1999) H. A. Drake, Constantine and the Bishops (John Hopkins, 2000) Arthur Drews, The Legend of St Peter (AAP, 1997) Eamon Duffy, Saints & Sinners: A History of the Popes (Yale, 1997) J. Duncan M. Derrett, The Bible and the Buddhists (Sardini 2000) Robert Eisenman, James the Brother of Jesus (Penguin, 1998) 522Riane Eisler, The Chalice & the Blade (Harper, 1988) Alvar Ellegard, Jesus 100 years before Christ (Century, 1999) Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History (Morningstar & Lark, 1995) Friedrich Engels, On the History of Early Christianity (International, 1986) Evangelical Alliance, The Nature of Hell (Acute 2000) David Farmer, Oxford Dictionary of Saints (OUP, 1997) Robert Feather, The Copper Scroll Decoded (Thorsons, 1999) Arthur Ferrill, The Fall of the Roman Empire (Thames & Hudson, 1986) Israel Finkelstein, Neil Silberman, The Bible Unearthed (Touchstone, 2002) Richard Fletcher, The Conversion of Europe (Harper Collins, 1997) Robin Lane Fox, Pagans & Christians (Viking, 1986) Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version (Penguin, 1991 ) Charles Freeman, The Closing of the Western Mind (Heinemann, 2002 Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy, The Jesus Mysteries (Thorsons, 1999) Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy, Jesus and the Goddess (Thorsons, 2002) W. H. C. Frend, The Rise of Christianity (Darton Longman Todd, 1984) Robert W. Funk, Honest to Jesus (Harper, 1996) J. Gardiner & N. Wenbom (Eds.) Companion to British History (Collins & Brown, 1995) Edward Gibbon, The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire (Everyman's Library, 1993) Michael Grant, Herod the Great (McGraw-Hill, 1971) Michael Grant (trans.), Tacitus: the Annals of Imperial Rome (Guild, 1990)
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>>8806 >>8807 >>8808 >>8809 >>8810 >>8811 >literally just spamming now >>8805 There's no reason why Josephus would mention Nazareth. >Acts wasn't written by Saul Was never claimed >whomever did write it knew that the christian sect at that time was quite Gnostic You're just making stuff up now, as the author of Luke is the author of Acts, and Luke is most assuredly NOT a gnostic text, and Acts itself has nothing in common with gnosticism. Luke is just full of a lot of slave moralizing about the plight of the poor and downtrodden and how there will be a reversal of roles in the coming Kingdom of God. >Gnostic shit lasted for almost 400 years until orthodoxy began to win out through force from above Never was denied >Mandaeans who took up Solar Worship <literally Zeitgeist-tier bullshit Jesus has nothing to do with the sun. >They formally refer to themselves as Nasurai (Nasoraeans). <implying I didn't read the same article as you <implying this changes anything I said in the previous post you should go read my previous post again
>>8797 I think /v/ would like to hear that. Honestly I'd rather be into vidya than other shit. But I fully respect a man who is by himself and focuses on full force improvement.
>>8813 >There's no reason why Josephus would mention Nazareth. False he was travelling alongside an army whose mission was to raze Judaea, this is whaty Josephus was recording when he mentioned a city at the opposite end of the valley where Nazareth is now. Nazareth according to your fiction novel about a jew large enough to have both a synogogue and draw a crowd, there is no evidence for either the site was a graveyard for the city josephus DOES mention, it was not inhabited in any great numbers and it was not named Nazareth until somebody made it up likely based on the name of John the Baptists sect of judaism. >You're just making stuff up now, as the author of Luke is the author of Acts, and Luke is most assuredly NOT a gnostic text. Irrelevant conclusion I didn't claim the text was gnostic I claimed the author knew that the sect of Judaism, that would become christianity, was at the time the text was written in the second century, being a follower of it themselves. >and Acts itself has nothing in common with gnosticism. Acts shows Saul as being an itinerant presbyter, what little we do know of Saul, he may very well have seen the seeds of Rome's destruction in John the Baptist's sect and informed it with his knowledge of Gnostic texts and belief beginning with the calling of their deity "Christ". >Jesus has nothing to do with the sun. Literal bullshit. It is well known that christianity took and put parts of the Imperial Cult of Sol Invictus and the various Mithraic cults throughout the empire into itself, Jesus is literally identified with Sol Invictus, though transvalued. >Implying This shows that your false brand of Judaism most likely comes from an offshoot of John the Baptists sect which was referred to as Nazareans well before the destruction of the second temple or any mention whatsoever of a Jesus the Nazarene that was Hellenized which early christianity being a largely Gnostic religion actually lends credence to. >spamming you asked for sources, there they are.
>>8816 >his knowledge of Gnostic texts Again you’re literally just making shit up, there were no gnostic texts during Paul’s life, there weren’t even any Christian texts at all we know of, outside of what common sources the synoptics drew off of, and Paul’s own letters. >Literal bullshit. Does the truth hurt you? There is far more groundwork for the idea of Jesus (regardless of whether he existed or not) in the Old Testament with parts of the scripture such as Isaiah 53 which talks about a man who ‘took up our pain and bore our suffering’, and was ‘was despised and rejected by mankind’. Or we could look to Daniel 7:13-14 where the Son of Man was given dominion, glory and kingdom so that “all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” Or we can look to Jeremiah 31 where it says that the days are coming when the Lord will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the house of Judah, and it is said that the new law shall be written on their hearts. Or perhaps we could look at Hosea 6:1-2 where it says on the *third day* ‘we’ will be restored and live in the Lord’s presence. Jesus is a purely Jewish figure with roots in the Jewish tradition, he has nothing to do with any of this schizo shit about Mithra (who is literally just some Zoroastrian god of contracts and treaties and has many martial qualities. He’s nothing like Jesus). And again there are no solar qualities to Jesus. >your false brand of Judaism Are you trying to imply that there is a true brand of Judaism here, rabbi?
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>>5324 >Memes and "imageboard culture" (culture can only be developed by a group of ethnically congruent people living in one place for at least more than a century) are hindrances at best and total poison at worst. Yet jews fear it and devote millions if not billions to shills and marxist school crackpots just to understand memes and "crest" who's implicit mission is deradicalizing, demoralizing, and annoying people from our social analytic ideological training grounds. Because you're wrong. As to say if you just talk about stuff like we do on imageboards instead of bringing it everywhere you go in one capacity or another to capitalize on the fact that we're right and have been right for decades you're a massive faggot. >The average productivity of a White man can be increased tenfold if he simply cut video games (which are exclusively made by jews or homosexual japs) out of his life. Productivity? For who? To what end? For pic related? If it's to work more for less money, pay more for an overpriced house, to pay for more petty objects to put in that house and be a fully fledged materialist and not give a fuck about our race, children, or anyone like the cursed boomers you can go fuck yourself. Especially when jews are now genociding us, harming/sterilizing/retarding people with a strange vaccine? Political solutions and racial tensions, political and police terrorism, economy, we are already at the state of chaos and unbearable social conditions which are artificially held up and is already making life difficult, and will make it more and more difficult as this is allowed to go on. Don't kid yourself, only killing enough of the traitors and parasites until they stop their relentless terrorism against us and our people is the only thing that will work, especially since they have shown will stop at no length to kill us and terrorize us. Also have some respect nigger brevik was a hardcore gamer and wiped out almost one hundred of them.
>>8821 >Again you’re literally just making shit up Nah Saul never claimed to have met a man and claimed directly to have received his knowledge from a divine source, that fits neatly within modern Gnostic ideas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Paul_and_Gnosticism It not even remotely controversial to think that he was a precursor to the Gnostic Christcucks who followed in his footsteps, >Does the truth hurt you? https://stellarhousepublishing.com/jesussunexcerpt/ Does it hurt you? Jesus has been assocaiated with the sun pretty much since the cult began, and the links with the Mithraic cults in Rome are literally all the finery of the Catholic Church, Probably the Orthodox as well, the symbolism of the pope's outfit is in fact literally stolen from the high priest of the cult of Mithra or as it was known in Rome - SOL INVICTUS. https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/gospel-mithras.html It doesn't matter what the jews and traitors stole from the jews or reinterpreted or mistranslated over 2000 years, to make their special jew fit into and trump the jews own beliefs, both need to be exterminated from the world Christianity moreso because it infects us in a way Judaism can't because judaism is a Racial religion for the jews, who yes, are our enemy, and a damn goiod one but as I have said time and again are not the worst of our enemies our worst enemy is Christian Whites. >Are you trying to imply that there is a true brand of Judaism here, rabbi? Not one that is true in the absolute sense, no, but one that is true or some approximation thereof for the jews themselves? Certainly, I find it repugnant but it is their truth even if it must be exterminated from the world for the sake of me and mine and the eternal laws of Nature.
>>8824 >Saul never claimed to have met a man and claimed directly to have received his knowledge from a divine source, that fits neatly within modern Gnostic ideas Modern gnostic ideas? Who gives a shit about those? The truth is that there was no gnosticism of the kind you are referring to during the life of Paul, and even your kikepedia link says that some people drew gnostic conclusions from Paul’s writings later on. All of the known Gnostic Christian texts are less old than texts like Mark, etc., and it is pretty clear that when Jesus’ prophecy about his disciples not tasting death before the Kingdom comes was revealed as false, they began to radically reinterpret Jesus say that he wasn’t wrong. From Mark to John, Jesus grows more and more and more lofty and divine. In Thomas we see semi-Gnostic elements, and then later with stuff like the Gospel of Judas, Jesus is descended from some higher heavenly realm for the salvation of mankind from the false archons or whatever. Also Paul believed that Jesus literally died and raised (this is foreign to Gnosticism which believes that Jesus was a non-physical illusion), was seen by lots of his disciples and later appeared to him. He obviously never claimed to have met Jesus during his lifetime. > https://stellarhousepublishing.com/jesussunexcerpt/ This is literally one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life. Not only are you linking me the writings of a dumb hippy larping with a Pajeet title like ‘acharya’, every example from the beginning is literally talking about Yahweh exercising governance over the sun, moon and stars JUST LIKE ONE WOULD EXPECT THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE TO DO. And not only that, the texts quite literally condemn worshiping any of these creations (such as the sun), and to instead worship the one who created them, because anything else would be according to the Abrahamic mindset, idolatry. Then this stupid woman is actually dumb enough to quote from the Psalms (literal poems lmao) that Yahweh is a ‘sun and shield’ Have I been BTFO? By no means, unless we are to assume that Yahweh is literally a rock or a fortresss according to Psalm 18:2. Is Jesus a sun? A rock? A fortress? A shield? IT’S CALLED METAPHOR AND ALLEGORY Do you also think that the parts of the Bible where it says “And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands” (Isaiah 55:12) are supposed to be taken literally? I hope you are *this* retarded. She also quotes Malachi 4:2 — “But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays” Have I been BTFO? Nope! The next line is “And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves.” MORE METAPHORS AND ALLEGORY talking about judgement of the wicked and the coming of the Lord! The rest of this article is just endless repitition of the same shit over and over. The inability to understand symbolism, metaphors, allegory, deeper spiritual realities referred to by a given usage of words. If Christians believe that Jesus Christ offers them the free gift of eternal life and a redemption from sins, I am not surprised in the slightest that he and God are identified metaphorically with the sun (which it is already established he is not in the OT, for he is the governor of the heavens, earth, etc). Light is associated with life, goodness, divinity, etc. Not in a literal, pants-on-head retarded materialist sense, but in a spiritual sense. Only the dumbest of atheists can think that everything is a sun god because of stuff like this: <Bible commentators such as John W. Ritenbaugh see the presence of light as a metaphor of truth, good and evil, knowledge and ignorance.[1] In the first Chapter of the Bible, Elohim is described as creating light by fiat and seeing the light to be good. In Hinduism, Diwali — the festival of lights — is a celebration of the victory of light over darkness.[2] A mantra in Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad (1.3.28) urges God to 'from darkness, lead us unto Light'. The Rig Veda includes nearly two dozen hymns to the dawn and its goddess, Ushas. And Buddhist scripture speaks of numerous buddhas of light, including a Buddha of Boundless Light, a Buddha of Unimpeded Light, and Buddhas of Unopposed Light, of Pure Light, of Incomparable Light, and of Unceasing Light.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_light
>>8824 >It doesn't matter what the jews and traitors stole from the jews or reinterpreted or mistranslated over 2000 years, to make their special jew fit into and trump the jews own beliefs both need to be exterminated from the world Christianity moreso because it infects us in a way Judaism can't because judaism is a Racial religion for the jews, who yes, are our enemy, and a damn goiod one but as I have said time and again are not the worst of our enemies our worst enemy is Christian Whites. <get btfo <start sperging out Look at you say that White people practicing Christianity need exterminated more than Jews hahahah >Not one that is true in the absolute sense, no, but one that is true or some approximation thereof for the jews themselves So you can’t even definitively deny that Judaism is false, Schlomo? I have no qualms about denying that their filthy religion is FALSE >their truth Gross you’re a relativist too, very jewish
>>8826 >Modern gnostic ideas? Who gives a shit about those? Considering they're roughly the same now as then and all research pretty much confirms it, you should give a shit. but even then I mis-typed and was trying to say "modern records of the Gnostic beliefs of the time," >The truth is that there was no gnosticism of the kind you are referring to during the life of Paul, and even your kikepedia link says that some people drew gnostic conclusions from Paul’s writings later on. Not much later on, it was less than a century to be certain that they began to take their current form if you trust the christian sources, and I don't, but even so, Saul did not claim to receive his knowledge of Yeshua from earthly sources he directly claimed in the text itself that he received visions, and then started preaching after he got baptised, the followers of John the Baptist being the only possible source of the name Nazarene at the time, and one of only a few sources of the rite of baptism, especially to a jew who would avoid non-jewish hands in his baptism, Most of the founding documents even the ones you quote as if they were any kind of source were written by Gnopstric jewish hands and some Gnostic race traitor convert to the early jewish sect, well really all of the texts Catholic Church is founded upon and that protestants and other christkike sects use even today >this is literally one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life. Not only are you linking me the writings of a dumb hippy larping with a Pajeet title like ‘acharya’, It's a short excerpt from a book, That many even Christian Scholars like Robert Price, who Actually promoted her book that you're shitting on above, but your entire arguement is worthless and discarded here as you're just insulting the author and not addressing the points or criticisms or literal evidence I have provided droves of throughout the thread and are just sidestepping the points by the use of a number of logical fallacies. The jewsus cult did have so many parallels with Mithraic and Sol Invictus cults, that the writers of your gospels, and much of the textual foundation of your religion even today, DID NOT DENY OR TRY TO SIDESTEP THBE ISSUE OF THAT CRITICISM FROM THE ROMAN "PAGANS" BUT RATHER EMBRACED IT. That is historical fact, on both sides of the street christian and not, take that as you wish. ><get btfo ><start sperging out >Look at you say that White people practicing Christianity need exterminated more than Jews hahahah Look at you, a race traitor, who thinks that the still largely White christian elite of every White nation on earth are somehow salvageable. They are willingly mixing with jews, both those who carry the label Christain and those who do not. They also did this all throughout history as the state of most of the extant royal families of Europe testifies, the "lesser" people who follow the same doctrine are no better than they are and they all must go because this philosemitic shit is the direct result of Christainity as literally every branch seems to show us, except those who put more emphasis on the OT and thus more closely larp as jews which is philosemitic anyway, isn't it?. >So you can’t even definitively deny that Judaism is false, Schlomo? I have no qualms about denying that their filthy religion is FALSE Their filthy relgion is still closer to the truth than your own as it helps them in preserving their race, your is directly Anti-Race. Neither are the truth at all, but one has more of the overarching truth of Nature than the other and that's not christianity, no matter how much you might wish it was. >Gross you’re a relativist too, very jewish Setting aside the insult, No, I'm simply a Nietzschean, The truth is far more simple and objective than your false religion or the only slightly less false religion that it spawned from, but of course you'll just continue making appeals to ridicule and ad-hominems as you can't address the actual points I have made anywhere.
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>>8836 >Considering they're roughly the same now as then and all research pretty much confirms it, you should give a shit. but even then I mis-typed and was trying to say "modern records of the Gnostic beliefs of the time," Regardless of the fact that you are obviously backpedaling hard now, Paul has nothing to do with gnosticism, because (1) it literally didn't exist at the time, and (2) if you had read any of his writings there is nothing gnostic about them. Paul's soteriology has nothing to do with having a direct intuitive experience of God to be saved (literally what gnosticism is), but instead we see him write about the sacrificial atonement of Jesus and that he died for the sins of mankind, and how salvation is a free gift giving by God, received on the condition of faith by the individual. Entrusting oneself fully to God is the condition for salvation, not gnosis. There is nothing gnostic about Paul, regardless of what your kikepedia articles say, or later pilpul on these writings. >the followers of John the Baptist being the only possible source of the name Nazarene at the time You've been repeatedly debunked on this topic. I suggest you take the time to read my old posts again. >It's a short excerpt from a book I sincerely hope you've never wasted precious moments of your life reading it. > your entire arguement is worthless and discarded here as you're just insulting the author and not addressing the points or criticisms or literal evidence I have provided droves of throughout the thread and are just sidestepping the points by the use of a number of logical fallacies. Coping hard again, I addressed multiple of her points. You are literally just blinded by an irrational hatred and refuse to look at this subject with an open mind. >Look at you, a race traitor, who thinks that the still largely White christian elite of every White nation on earth are somehow salvageable. They are willingly mixing with jews, both those who carry the label Christain and those who do not. They also did this all throughout history as the state of most of the extant royal families of Europe testifies, the "lesser" people who follow the same doctrine are no better than they are and they all must go because this philosemitic shit is the direct result of Christainity as literally every branch seems to show us, except those who put more emphasis on the OT and thus more closely larp as jews which is philosemitic anyway, isn't it?. I'm not even a Christian, dummy, I'm just not a schizo retard who feels the need to deny every aspect of history that I don't like to suit a narrative about muh sun god, muh gnostic saul, muh hippie new ageism... >Setting aside the insult, No, I'm simply a Nietzschean, Aka you are a subhuman DAILY REMINDER THAT FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE SAID THE FOLLOWING: > "Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying "there are only facts," I should say: no, it is precisely facts that do not exist, only interpretations". >"There are no moral facts, only moral interpretations of facts". If you are a Nietzschean you are by definition a relativist subhuman who fully believes that everything is based on perspectivism, that there are only interpretations of phenomena and that morality isn't real. To think that Jews sucking blood of infant penises is 'evil' is merely an interpretation of the Nietzschean mind. To think that the White race ought to be preserved is merely an interpretation. This is not a "moral fact" to say that we should preserve our race - because moral facts don't exist! You are a nihilistic relativist who has the gall to still say that Judaism is "closer to the truth". Your pathetic beta philosopher who lived a pathetic life. Here's your hero bro - braindead, and hanging out with a woman holding a whip. WHAT A JOKE Nietzscheans would disposed of in any healthy society of our ancestors
>>8848 I like how you took this out of context like a typical christcuck.
>>8884 >can't even offer a rebuttal Nietzsche was a self-declared immoralist and his idea of perspectivism (which is core to his way of thinking) is inherently relativistic.
>>8848 >Regardless of the fact that you are obviously backpedaling hard now, No, I'm simply repeating the argument you haven't even come close to debunking. >You've been repeatedly debunked on this topic. I suggest you take the time to read my old posts again. No, I haven't, you have repeatedly made the false assertion that the Scriptures are historical documents in order to "Debunk" anything I have said. I provided you with a source and all the sources that it used to come to it's many conclusions many of which are in fact Pro-Christian sources. >Coping hard again, I addressed multiple of her points. You are literally just blinded by an irrational hatred and refuse to look at this subject with an open mind. You addressed but a small sample of the points that are within the book and none of them were valid criticisms, you deny ANY influence from outside Jesus and his also non-existent 17 separate apostles, when the catholic church today still uses Mithraic symbolism all over the place. There were many Jesus's among the jews , but none of them from a town that did not exist before the second century. >I'm not even a Christian, dummy, You clearly are, because you are defending christianity and its foundation myth from attack with the same fervor they do, you are trying to pretend you are not to bolster your argument, that won't work here. > I'm just not a schizo retard who feels the need to deny every aspect of history that I don't like to suit a narrative about muh sun god, muh gnostic saul, muh hippie new ageism.. Three ad-hom in row, I'm flabbergasted, you clearly haven't read even half the shit I've posted in the thread let alone the attachments. >Aka you are a subhuman No, thats you because you clearly haven't read all of Nietzcshe works, nor even enough to understand the man, you just pop up the worst remark out of context and false accuse the man of being immoral or an immoralist, >>8894 on the contrary Nietzsche was a profoundly moral man with the context of Natural Law, he sought to tell all Aryans to Transvaluate Christianity, because Christianity was itself a transvaluation of our natural values, as they appeared in Rome, but you are ignorant of this and much more, because you let others do your thinking for you, pretty standard for a christcuck.
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>>8902 > false accuse the man of being immoral or an immoralist It looks like you are the one who is profoundly ignorant of Nietzsche and his works. Simply embarrassing, luckily I have read the man, so I will enlighten you a bit: Twilight of the Idols <Are we immoralists doing harm to virtue?—Just as little as the anar-chists are harming the princes. Only since the princes have been shot athave they been sitting securely on their thrones again. Moral: one must take shots at morality Nietzsche himself identified as an immoralist. <In every age, the Church wanted its enemies to be destroyed; we, we immoralists and anti-Christians, see our own advantage in the Church’s continued existence . . . Wow he said it again! <In contrast, we others, we immoralists, have opened our hearts wide to every form of understanding,comprehending, approving. We do not easily negate, we seek our honor inbeing those who affirm. And again! <Our eyes have been opened more and more to that economy that needs and knows how to use all that the holy craziness of the priest, the sick reason in the priest, rejects—that economy in the law of life that draws its advantage even from the repulsive species of the sanctimonious, the priest, the virtuous.—What advantage?—But we our-selves, we immoralists, are the answer here. . And again! <Today, when we have started in the opposite direction, when we immoralists are trying with all our strength to get the conceptsof guilt and punishment back out of the world, and to purge psychology, history, nature, social institutions, and sanctions of these concepts, there is in our eyes no opposition more radical than that of the theologians,who, with the concept of the “moral order of the world,” go on infectingthe innocence of becoming with “punishment” and “guilt.” Christianityis a metaphysics of the hangman . . AND AGAIN! http://faculty.umb.edu/gary_zabel/Phil_100/Nietzsche_files/Friedrich-Nietzsche-Twilight-of-the-Idols-or-How-to-Philosophize-With-the-Hammer-Translated-by-Richard-Polt.pdf Beyond Good and Evil <95. To be ashamed of one's immorality is a step on the ladder at the end of which one is ashamed also of one's morality. And again! <226. WE IMMORALISTS.-This world with which WE are concerned, in which we have to fear and love, this almost invisible, inaudible world of delicate command and delicate obedience, a world of "almost" in every respect, captious, insidious, sharp, and tender--yes, it is well protected from clumsy spectators and familiar curiosity! AND AGAIN! https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil Let us return to the quote from the last post... "There are no moral facts at all" Wow... would could this mean in light of the many excerpts above... immoralism <immoralism (countable and uncountable, plural immoralisms) <1. A philosophy that does not accept moral principles. Nietzsche thinks that pedophiles raping children is a-okay, as he doesn't believe in moral principles at all. Nietzsche is a subhuman whose thought should be expunged from Aryan civilizations >with the context of Natural Law Natural Law is a moral theory, Nietzsche is a self-proclaimed immoralist. Nietzsche had the doctrine of perspectivism to analyze the geneology of morals. Only nigger-brained retards don't know this
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>>8902 The rest of your post is just based off of Richard Carrier (a literal bisexual cuckold) and hippie White woman blogposts, so I won't even bother to address it. The figures of the Gospels have a historical core cross-referenced in many other non-Christian sources, pagan and Jewish, and is this by far the consensus of academia, even among skeptical NT scholars such as Bart Ehrman (agnostic) and Gerd Lüdemann (atheist). Jesus existed, and only those with an ax to grind deny it today.
>>8894 I'm not going to give you a proper rebuttal, because you're a shill hungry for (You)s. All that shit you stated about Nietschze and how he was against morality makes it quite clear that you never read any of his works nor understood him. What proper Aryan would want to follow the morality of Jews?
>>8920 He’s right though. I’ve read Nietzsche myself and gotten basically the same reading, and now he’s even gone and quoted from the man himself >>8905. Nietzsche’s got a decent analysis of Christian and leftist behavior but the guy is shit outside of that.
Mithra - Ahuramazda - Muh Khors - Svarog - Devana Malakbaal - Baalshamen - Agribol Surya - Indra- Indu Sol - Jupiter - Luna For there is no Aryan culture on this Earth that does not recognize the supremacy of the Heavens.
>>8923 Pretty sure that Nietschze was attacking herd-moralities and not morality in itself. If you read him, then how do you not find that what he says isn't taken out of context when he praised the Roman's idea of law and justice?
I’ve realized the lies of Christianity. A way to instill Jewish stories and figures into the subconscious of gentiles for them to look at Jews as a superior almost divine race. I believe in a higher power. I feel drawn to Asatru. I believe I will follow this path. What religious paths have others followed after they have realized the truth about the abrahamic faiths?
>>8974 I also want to add I believe the Jews wanted to take occult and magick power from the pagans and Europeans and keep it for themselves, they used the Bible do this among other things
>>8804 >Nice samefag christcuck. ??? I replied to a anti-Christian post by saying it was interesting. I was implying that I'm the down syndrome one. >>8775 >>8771 Thanks, anon. I will dig into this deeper. I really appreciate your effort posting. I guess what I was I getting at with the pajeetism comments was that anytime I've got a hold of vedic texts they're presented in curry nigger aesthetics i.e. hinduism. Is there any known aryan/vedic imagery or iconography? Also, I still maintain that pre-Christian Nordic culture was more sexually egalitarian. That's based on studying historical texts, not mythological or religious ones. What's your take on the idea of a synonymous nature between the krshna and christ archetypes?
>>8974 >>8976 I recommend you become an Asatruar since it's a real religion unlike creativity which was more of a political group rather than a church. I know that Asatru can look kind of cringe since it's filled with phoney LARPers you know the pagan types, but I think if you go your own way, do your own research about old norse religion then I think you will not only enjoy it but will find the spirituality you are looking for.
>>8905 No, it's still you who is ignorant of Nietzsche, two things you do here that completely BTFO your entire argument and claim about Nietzsche. First, he was no Nihilist. He specifically warned against and provided several solutions to the appearance of the exact type of Man that Christianity breeds, The Last Man. Your religion itself is Nihilist under a "spiritual" veneer. It's core foundational premise is that this life, and everything in it, doesn't matter, only your own personal salvation matters. Second, you focus on twilight of the idols, a book in which he teaches one how to logically Philosophize with a metaphorical hammer, and as such the arguments are going to be crude and use concepts and phrases that will cut right to the meat of the issue rather than finessing the argument(as an aside I have been told by Germans that I know, that the concepts he used in the original German is different than "Immoralist" and that it is difficult to get across what he really meant in english though there are few problems that aren't solved by proper context). That's what you do rather than looking at his works from a broader perspective. The cap on his works is the essay called The Anti-Christ a work in which he directly calls for and advocates for the Transvaluation of the prevailing "morality" into the morality of early, specifically Republican, Rome. That is not the action or words of an "Immoral" man, in fact, I would call it profoundly moral. He saw the problem and the crisis which Christianity caused, was causing, and still is causing, and told us clearly what we needed to do. Her told us to deconstruct what passes for morality today, identify what is truly Moral, and Transvaluate our morality into the Master Morality of our forebears, and add an inbuilt defense against a resurgence of Christian/Slave Morality. I have done this at the direction of Hitler, Mason, Pierce, Rockwell, Lane, Matthews and many other thinkers, You have not because you still see some kind of value in "western morality" and society which are based on the same moral foundations as the jews without the ethno-racial protection they enjoy. Lastly, all you have done from the beginning of the discussion which I didn't even start with you, is go for logical fallacy after fallacy, irrelevant conclusions, Ad hominems, moving the goalposts, straw-manning and others aside. On Ad Hominem's alone you have certainly exceeded the threshold of banter that we tolerate as part of jocular debate on this board. As such, I will no longer engage in any sort of discussion with you. >>8923 He isn't right, Nietzsche has quite a few tomes worth of material out there, and looking at it as a complete work, rather than in isolation it becomes obvious what he was advocating for and it is not at all similar to what that poster says. >>8974 If you are drawn to "Asatru", meditate on the Elder Futhark Runes, one by one by the end of your journey you should have a clearer understanding of the religion and truths that underlay the practices of the Ancient Germanic/Nordic Race.
>>8941 >This demand follows from an insight which was formulated for the first time by me: that there are no moral facts at all'. Moral judgments have this in common with religious ones: they believe in realities that are unreal. Morality is just an interpretation of certain phenomena,or speaking more precisely, a misinterpretation. Moral judgments, like religious ones, belong to a level of ignorance at which the very concept of the real, the distinction between real and imaginary, is still absent, so that “truth” at this level refers to all sorts of things which today we call “fantasies.” Thus, moral judgments can never be taken literally: literally, they always contain nothing but nonsense. But they are semiotically invaluable all the same: they reveal, at least to those who are in the know, the most valuable realities of cultures and inner states that did not know enough to “understand” themselves. Morality is just a sign language, just a symptomatology: you already have to know what it’s all about in order to get any use out of it. So what does he say in this section from Twilight, that moral judgements are unreal, moral realism is false, and that all moral judgements are based on human interpretations of phenomena and nothing else. The moral judgements that people draw from their environments are based on their particular perspectives and experiences, and in this way they serve as a type of symptomology and sign language. You can now see why (((Sigmund Freud))) and (((Alfred Adler))) were so inspired by the writings of Nietzsche, along with other unsavory figures such as (((Jacques Derrida))) and gay pedophiles such as Michel Foucault were so in love with Nietzsche. He was the first postmodernist, and therefore a degenerate. Anything ridicule he throws towards slave moralists is by his own definition an interpretation of his own
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>>8998 >First, he was no Nihilist. Grasping at straws again! I never called him a Nihilist. I call YOU a nihilistic relativist. >Your religion itself is Nihilist under a "spiritual" veneer. It's core foundational premise is that this life, and everything in it, doesn't matter, only your own personal salvation matters. <more Christian strawmanning even though I'm not a Christian Yawn >Second, you focus on twilight of the idols, a book in which he teaches one how to logically Philosophize with a metaphorical hammer The book was intended by Nietzsche to be an introduction to his philosophy, and I have quoted from Beyond Good and Evil as well, so it completely falls flat on your end what you are saying. >and as such the arguments are going to be crude and use concepts and phrases that will cut right to the meat of the issue rather than finessing the argument(as an aside I have been told by Germans that I know, that the concepts he used in the original German is different than "Immoralist" and that it is difficult to get across what he really meant in english though there are few problems that aren't solved by proper context). HE USES THE EXACT SAME WORD, DUMMY <Ob wir Immoralisten der Tugend Schaden thun? - Eben so wenig, als die Anarchisten den Fürsten. Erst seitdem diese angeschossen werden, sitzen sie wieder fest auf ihrem Thron. Moral: man muss die Moral anschiessen. UH OH < wir, wir Immoralisten und Antichristen, sehen unsern Vortheil darin, dass die Kirche besteht… OH NO NO NO < Wir Anderen, wir Immoralisten, haben umgekehrt unser Herz weit gemacht für alle Art Verstehn <Heute, wo wir in die umgekehrte Bewegung eingetreten sind, wo wir Immoralisten zumal mit aller Kraft den Schuldbegriff und den Strafbegriff aus der Welt wieder herauszunehmen und Psychologie, Geschichte, Natur, die gesellschaftlichen Institutionen und Sanktionen von ihnen zu reinigen suchen, giebt es in unsern Augen keine radikalere Gegnerschaft als die der Theologen, welche fortfahren, mit dem Begriff der "sittlichen Weltordnung" die Unschuld des Werdens durch "Strafe" und "Schuld" zu durchseuchen. Das Christenthum ist eine Metaphysik des Henkers… THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING <Der Immoralist redet. UH OH https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7203/pg7203.html TIME TO CONSULT A DICTIONARY immoralism (countable and uncountable, plural immoralisms) A philosophy that does not accept moral principles. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/immoralism 'immoralist An adherent or practitioner of immoralism It's exactly the same in German. >The cap on his works is the essay called The Anti-Christ a work in which he directly calls for and advocates for the Transvaluation of the prevailing "morality" into the morality of early, specifically Republican, Rome. That is not the action or words of an "Immoral" man, in fact, I would call it profoundly moral. He saw the problem and the crisis which Christianity caused, was causing, and still is causing, and told us clearly what we needed to do. Her told us to deconstruct what passes for morality today, identify what is truly Moral, and Transvaluate our morality into the Master Morality of our forebears, and add an inbuilt defense against a resurgence of Christian/Slave Morality. Nietzsche doesn't accept any moral phenomenon as real, this anon lays it out >>8999. You're also just a pseud with bad reading comprehension who doesn't understand that Nietzsche doesn't advocate for master morality even though he certainly is inclined towards liking the life-affirming aspects more than its opposite. Nietzsche wants to transcend the master-slave dialectic. He makes it clear that the master and slave moralities mutually engender each other as well. READ A BOOK
>>8999 >He was the first post-modernist You're actually retarded. Nietschze hated modernity and everything it represented. His faggy fans don't understand him and purposely leave out the things he advocated such as race and hierarchy, two things he said that were important that all post-modernist despise. > that moral judgements are unreal, moral realism is false >all moral judgements are based on human interpretations of phenomena and nothing else. This is only half correct. He's would be wrong if he's referring to paganism as well and not just Abrahamists, which I believe he was likely referring to, because he starts his statements on why they are the worst moralfags. > The moral judgements that people draw from their environments are based on their particular perspectives and experiences, and in this way they serve as a type of symptomology and sign language This isn't even close to being true, first of all moral judgements are done by observations and knowledge from the divine and as a form of social engineering. Christianity is an example where their moralfagging is merely against paganism and to enforce their Judaic practices on purpose, but telling someone that they shouldn't eat a certain type of food or hand, because they think it's demonic is ignorance.
>>9003 >The cap on his works is the essay called The Anti-Christ a work in which he directly calls for and advocates for the Transvaluation of the prevailing "morality" into the morality of early, specifically Republican, Rome. That is not the action or words of an "Immoral" man, in fact, I would call it profoundly moral. He saw the problem and the crisis which Christianity caused, was causing, and still is causing, and told us clearly what we needed to do. Her told us to deconstruct what passes for morality today, identify what is truly Moral, and Transvaluate our morality into the Master Morality of our forebears, and add an inbuilt defense against a resurgence of Christian/Slave Morality. How is what any of what he said a bad thing?
>>8998 >>9003 >>9006 >any English translations of Nietszche not done by Jews? I realized after the fact that all the Nietszche I've read was translated by Jews. Suspicous. >3 ideas recommended for propagation in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: Marxism, darwinism, Nietszcheanism. Also suspicious. Takes on this?
>>9008 None of what I said is, nor were any of his arguments anywhere on point. He doesn't understand Nietzsche or understand that Nietzsche wasn't truly an Immoralist(which is a political descriptor and he despised politics, very similarly to Hitler and many National Socialists after him) and could more accurately be described as an esoteric moralist. He believed quite clearly that things had Value, being a human, of course he did, he was not above this, no man is, his main point of contention is the objective state of that ascribed value, and there isn't any, not good or evil not high or low not rich or poor, he attacked the supposed objective nature of value judgements, not the nature of objectivity or it's existence Does nature exist? any answer other than yes is preposterous. Does our race exist? also yes, as I exist and am of Nordic Germanic Stock, and there are clear personally observable abjective differences between us and other Races and the sub-races of our own race. As I am one of this race, it benefits me that it exists, from the base grounds of survival, the more of my kind that exists the more I can fight for survival and at a critical mass enables not only survival but to thrive and exceed our previous limitiations. I should endeavor to preserve this race regardless of it's objective value or not, because I belong to it, all of these are ideas one could draw from reading Nietzsche. That poster doesn't care one whit what the true worth of what Nietzsche wrote is, and that is that every "Higher man" should be the decider of his own will and destiny and common herd morality shouldn't be a concern to that higher man, whatever he wills. He still follows Christian moral precepts which is why he defends it's completely fictional origins. Even if he doesn't subscribe to the religion, in any of it's various forms, he remains a Christian at heart. >>9011 See if there are any outside appraisals of those translations, and give the names of the translators who are jews. As for the protocols, why would jews want people taking up the Philosophy of the Overman? Seems counterintuitive to me, what they probably mean, if those were actual writings of "Elder Jews", would be that they would push the writings of Nietzsche that attack Christian Morality under the auspices of the religion itself, to weaken the hold it had on the minds of the herd so they could supplant it with a more pathologically altruistic less religious morality, as they have done. and still further many people have taken the new more altruistic interpretation of Christian Morality and fused it into Christianity itself. They do not want people actually understanding Nietzsche or many of the things he advocated for, for obvious reasons, the attachment I posted above by Thomas Dalton clears quite a few Misconceptions about Nietzsche.
>>9006 >3 ideas recommended for propagation in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: Marxism, darwinism, Nietszcheanism. Not surprising at all. People can say that Nietzsche hated modernity much like what >>9006 says, but in many ways Nietzsche was a profoundly modern figure, ask we can we can see with his strident atheism and statements about how man is something to be overcome, seeing himself as a sort of prophet for this idea. As I said in my previous post, Nietzche has been the intellectual forefather of many postmodernists and Cultural Marxists like (((Herbert Marcuse))) and (((Theodor Adorno))). There's a reason why Nietzsche is so often listed with figures like Ludwig Feuerbach, Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud as the forefathers of modern atheism. I myself would add in Darwin for obvious reasons. Not that he wasn't right about many things regarding leftists and the behavior of Christians. He is very lucid at times. >>9006 >This isn't even close to being true, first of all moral judgements are done by observations and knowledge from the divine and as a form of social engineering. Christianity is an example where their moralfagging is merely against paganism and to enforce their Judaic practices on purpose, but telling someone that they shouldn't eat a certain type of food or hand, because they think it's demonic is ignorance. I'm literally just paraphrasing what the man himself said.
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>>8990 >Thanks, anon. I will dig into this deeper. I really appreciate your effort posting >>8990 No problem, anon, glad to help. >Is there any known aryan/vedic imagery or iconography Most Hindu art is a bit kitsch and gaudy for my liking, but if one digs around they can find a good deal of recent art that doesn't burn the eyes to look at. Most of them are from ISKCON, unsurprisingly. If you're talking about stuff like statues and temples, there are a lot of those. I'll have to attach some tomorrow maybe. There are no statues or imagery with the skill of Rome or Greece though that I'm aware of. >Also, I still maintain that pre-Christian Nordic culture was more sexually egalitarian I doubt it was on the level of some of the stuff from Greece or Vedic civilization that I referred to, but there is some evidence that the man had the authority, as is natural. First of all we can read in the Havamal several different words of wisdom that seem to cast women in an untrustworthy light. Odin refers to 'women whose thoughts are lies'. It is said that there is 'falsehood in fixed in their breasts' and that 'The speech of a maiden should no man trust'. In Tacitus' account of the Germans it is clear that husband pays a bride-price to get a woman as his wife. Tacitus writes that 'Her thoughts must not stray beyond him or her desires survive him. And even that husband she must love not for himself, but as an embodiment of the married state.' There's some stuff about how a wife guilty of adultery will have her hair cut off, stripped naked and flogged by her husband through the village in the presence of kinsmen. It seems like women are clearly the subordinate partner here, and there is a typical complementarian view of the sexes going on here. https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html https://pitt.edu/~dash/havamal.html If one digs a bit through stuff like Salic law we can see that women were not to inherit property, but we can see in Anglo-Saxon law see stuff like 'let the property be distributed very justly to the wife and children and relations, to every one according to the degree that belongs to him.' So it varied a bit here at least A least from my very quick look https://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/salic.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/saxlaw.asp >What's your take on the idea of a synonymous nature between the krshna and christ archetypes? I see where people draw the comparisons, but from what I know of Krishna he is a bit less world-denying that Jesus was. For example the stories around him often involve him being a bit of a trickster as a child, wandering around with his brother Balarama destroying demons around Vrindavana and dancing with the gopis (cowherd maidens) He even hides their clothing when they bathe in the river in one story kek. And of course he partakes in battle and urges Arjuna to fight and kill his enemies for the sake of upholding dharma as well. There can be found parts of Jesus' teachings where parallels with Upanishadic teachings can be found, but Jesus seems to be much more focused on teaching, withdrawing from the world and being absolutely surrendered to God.
>>8974 I’d second what >>8995 said on the topic of Creativity. It’s really not a religion, and really if one looks as Klassen’s stuff he spends half the time raging against ‘spooks’ in his works, i.e. anything supernatural or outside of the material at all. This isn’t to say that he didn’t do good work for our race, though. It’s definitely worth looking into Asatru. Like others point out it’s important to be wary of charlatans and LARPers though. >What religious paths have others followed after they have realized the truth about the abrahamic faiths I just kind of dabble admittedly in various things such as meditation (with and without mantras), prayer, researching Indo-European religions. Though about joining Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya’s group at one point and while his books are pretty good, I’m not doing vegetarianism, and there’s a few red-flags involving his teachings (on women, etc)
>>9021 Pics related don't have the kind of gaudy, sequined aspect of the Hindu wall tapestry type art you mentioned, but it's still mostly very unappealing to me. Ok, you've got a White girl hanging on dude's neck. But if we could see his face in the painting it's definitely be as feminine as hers. I'm into the blue skin for sure. But the whole androgynous aspect is revolting. Effeminate, dancing male figures and literal monkey people. I don't know. Seems just as alien as the semitic shit. I know that the vedic texts predate the formation of Hinduism and are attributed to the actual, literal Indo Aryan people, but it seems pretty obvious why that aesthetic and those texts don't get as much play as the Norse stuff. It's analogous to the situation with Christianity being inescapably Jewish in origin - seems that the Vedic scriptures and imagery are inescably pajeetish, although the correlation is backwards rather than forwards. Another issue is the texts and scriptures themselves. Most of my studies have been ON religions and religious texts, as opposed to studying the texts themselves. Granted this is just a shortcoming on my part, but actual scriptures, of whatever religion, are just dry and boring to me. I think there's a case to be made for Christianity having been molded to fit an already existing European worldview, and that it didn't really take hold in Europe until it had been modifid thusly (and made compatible with European paganism). Most of the tradition comes from INTERPRETATION of the scriptures, rather than from the scriptures themselves. People have consistently over time cherry picked passages to suit their interests and disregarded those that didn't serve them. The main benefit, historically speaking, of attaching a social and political agenda to a religion is that for the non-intellectual masses that may have enough intelligence to question some directive, they can be answered with >it's in the bible or >God said so and if you go against the prevailing morality - although from some sort of relativist, libertarian type point of view, your transgression didn't actually harm anyone - it's thereby justifiable to burn you at the stake and remove you from society altogether. The religious equivalent of capital punishment. All of that is to say that Christianity (in it's middle phase, let's say, neither primitive nor modern) worked heuristically. The people doing the interpreting of it theologically said >go to Jerusalem and kill everyone so that's what happened. Now those doing the interpreting say that was wrong and gay child butt sex is what Jesus wanted. So it is/will be what you make of it. As far as ultimate metaphysical truth goes - that's a whole other ball of wax. Although singular ultimate truth as a concept is one of the strongest legacies of western Christianity. Whether that's inherent to the faith or a projection of the Aryan psyche onto an adopted religion, is debatable. Also, as the Nietszche argument mesa-thread here has touched on: relativism and amorality is very Jewish.
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>>9171 >I know that the vedic texts predate the formation of Hinduism and are attributed to the actual, literal Indo Aryan people, but it seems pretty obvious why that aesthetic and those texts don't get as much play as the Norse stuff. I think the Vedic stuff gets more attention than one would think. Terms like 'Kali Yuga' and 'Kalki' are almost mainstream in Fascist / White Nationalist circles nowadays, for example. A lot of it is certainly tongue-in-cheek, but it is still continuing a long line of interest in these topics, that stretches back to people like Savitri Devi, to Jakob Wilhelm Hauer, Himmler and his entourage, and before them even. I think a lot of people are just unable to look beyond some modern aesthetic attached to the tradition and see that actual content of value within. Regarding shit like monkeymen, this is really no different than tales of creatures like centaurs, cynocephalics (dog-headed men), satyrs, and akephaloi (headless men). All sorts of semi-human beings are scattered throughout the religions of the world. >Another issue is the texts and scriptures themselves. Most of my studies have been ON religions and religious texts, as opposed to studying the texts themselves. Granted this is just a shortcoming on my part, but actual scriptures, of whatever religion, are just dry and boring to me. The best advice here is just not to read boring scriptures. The Bible, for example, is dreadfully boring. One can only read so much about incest, foreskins, Jewish law and the goyim oppressing the poor Israelites before they get bored. The good parts are only found in there rarely, say like parts of the Psalms or aspects of the New Testament. The rest is garbage. The Qur'an is another example. It is a fan-fiction of the Bible that is just pure repetitive rambling and structureless nonsense. You can't tell what is going on half the time because it continuously refers to the actions of Muhammad, except the Qur'an doesn't even tell you about what Muhammad and his followers were doing! I can't say I've had the same issues with pre-Christian pagan texts, either from Europe or from more out East. If one is actually trying to learn something, I have found that they contain lots of practical wisdom. Dhammapada is one good example. Bhagavad Gita is a fantastic example. I've read it probably six different times now, and there is something new discovered in each re-reading. The Upanishads are also full of much wisdom, but I admit I was filtered by them in the beginning and thought they were rambling nonsense. Only gradually did I begin to understand them even a bit. Same is true with a lot of stuff from Europe. Anything from the pre-Socratics, to the works of Plato, to people like Hesiod and beyond, well worth reading. One could say that philosophy is not really 'scripture', but the further back one goes, the more blurred the line is between philosophy and spirituality in general, which I think makes more intuitive sense. In the case of Christianity in Europe, it was definitely never fully put in place according to the scriptures or things like the Sermon on the Mount, etc. Society would have collapsed if that had happened. That's definitely a good thing, but still the sort of morality of the New Testament gradually infected the European psyche and laid the foundations for modernity. I wouldn't say that modernity is 'Christian' but it's certainly a byproduct of a Christianized culture.
>>8974 That's just bulverism. Instead of making up conspiracy theories about why Christianity was created, why not look at the historical and logical evidence for Jesus's Lordship and His resurrection?
>>9279 It's unsurprising that the atheists and LARPagans that have (((come out of the woodwork))) in recent years to hijack the White Nationalist movement can't make a good argument and therefore have to resort to namecalling and censorship. Their narrative is crumbling, and fast.
>>9283 Your churches are literally being burnt to the ground in Canada by fat cat ladies in broad daylight. Your weakness and cowardice are finally catching up to you, christcuck. Remember to turn the other cheek and pray to your failed jewish messiah.