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Defeatism - Cowards = Traitors? Blackshirt 09/25/2021 (Sat) 20:08:32 ID:835e37 No. 14971
The creator of the game Der Sieg, Vasily released a statement on his gab where he says that he is frustrated with not getting enough attention for his game (which he only advertised on gab) Der Sieg was a genuinley intresting and uniqe creator from "our corner", not much OC is being created by the "movement" these days so Der Sieg was very welcome. He then goes on a large tangent on how he "met someone" and how he does nto wish to redpill anyone anymore because it brings only pain Id say clear signs of a sad/mentally unstable person who threw out National Socialism as his hobby to something else Basically >How should people like this be treated? Try to cull them back in? Help them? Or let them return to the system (which they know hates them) With fringe beliefs like this, it's bound to happen that strange people enter the """movement""" as a coping mechanism it's a shame if these people can genuinley bring something to the struggle but suddenly drop everything and go to their next coping mechanism
Heres the gab post btw https://gab.com/Der_Sieg and the game, heavily recommend it https://helicoptarianconstitocracy.org/der_sieg/
>>14971 Imagine a game series like Wolfenstein or Call of Duty, but from a historically accurate (NS) perspective. It would leave a huge impact regardless of controversies and attempts to ban it. Why do you think kikes worked so hard to entirely infiltrate and control the game industry? Because it's a powerful medium. He gave up on something potentially very useful, just because it didn't have much popularity as an unfinished product, and probably among the wrong target audience. >Try to cull them back in? Help them? Or let them return to the system (which they know hates them) He should be made aware of the value of his contributions, anything beyond that is up to him. If he truly finds happiness in the clown world, he was never truly one of us to begin with, if he doesn't, he will come to certain realizations and return.
>>14971 I'm not sure how much interest this guy could expect. The game is good, but the topic is inherently fringe and controversial. Making a fringe game for a fringe audience and advertising it on fringe sites (outside of 4chan) isn't going to garner that much attention, unfortunately. Like >>14975 said, Vasily should be made aware that his work and effort was not wasted. No contentment will ever be found in clownworld. Being redpilled was never meant to bring joy either.
>>14971 Falling in love was the true reason he left as love is more fundamental than war on a biological level. The most dangerous men are single, since they have nowhere to go, but up. This is why soldiers are young, so that they can fight and get a spouse. College was one of the worst things for the army as it destroyed youthful desire. Some of the greatest officers in history lead armies in their teens, ours become 2nd lieutenants at 22 at the earliest. As for the title, yeah, defeatists are both cowards and traitors, but so few in our movement - not just NS/fascist, but all of the dissident right - do anything that it is hard to believe no one is willing to act. Personally, I am enlisting next month as an officer because I believe the only way to win is through a military coup. What America looks like in 2040 by the time I am moderately important I cannot control, but that is the route I believe has the best chance for victory.
I don't know what to say but stupidity, our access to surface web is almost eliminated thanks to Jews and Cucks. We don't have big social media we get banned everywhere, sometimes it takes a good while for art to mature as with everything as well as the discovery phase takes time, this is known everywhere. Though I guess maybe we should give people more praise in the future. Get more involved perhaps, I don't use soycial media beyond what i absolutely must. I didn't play his game though and put it on the backlog, will prob play it soon. Also >Women Probably explains it. Be young and meet a woman, maybe for the first time or in years and think you finally see the light, until it ends in tears(hope not though) or even suicide over a girl(its overwhelmingly men). Because the quality of humans, especially women is abnormally, dangerously low. It's scary, have seen people do all sorts sell out their entire person and become distant and irresponsive, strange, betray themselves when they get lovesickness and then fully loveblind, I have done this myself. The power of the pussy is no joke, it can be close to mind control, especially when it's the culture of women to be so demanding in clown world, suddenly before you know it they take up all your time and then too much of your mind, at which point some men don't even know who they are or have forgotten, wasted their own friends to rather spend time on the bitch and without the bitch life is just suddenly incredibly shit.
Also my last post was not to discourage anyone to find love but you must realize that when she wants to do shit like "change"(subdue) you things become dangerous and you have to break up, because you will NEVER be able to those kind of bitches, if you accept "change" you might lose yourself and your future and maybe your life in the progress.
While I don't agree with his blackpilled attitude, I do, however, understand why he quite the development of the game, especially with all of the events that had transpired. In what is the most critical decade that may, as far as we know, turn out to be the make or break decade for our race, do we want bread and circuses of any kind, to distract and placate racially conscious Whites into a fantasy world, when they should be taking action, in whatever capacity possible, to save their race in the real world? Because of that, I agree with his decision, personally. Just not his attitude. For fuck's sake, The Turner Diaries and The Brigade were, to one degree or another, instruction manuals in story form, a guide to liberate our race in a way. They weren't meant to be escapist, action-hero-esque entertainment for edgy spergs on the net. Sometimes I feel that all of the ubermenschen of our race were killed off in WWII, with the others dying in the gulag. Men like Tarrant, Bowers, McVeigh, and he'll, even Stephen Ernst are literal demigods among us and the normienigger cattle. That's how I feel. Because if there was just two thousand men like those I just listed, the West would be back in the hands of the rightful owners--the White man--long before the kikes could even implement the tranny agenda, let alone covid and the vaccine scam that followed. Kikes would be exterminated. White race saved. Roll credits.
>>15017 While what you write is true but culture is a big thing, never discount it, if we do not have culture, even memes then we will not be able to multiply and in-group diminished. That's why the jews have always wanted to control and so quell any rebellious pop culture, art, subcultures forever, this obsession is rooted in control. Visible with the censorship war. The banwave on youtube starting in 16' and the bitchute frauds were very detrimental, in those times we were reaching millions and rockstar status. I don't know any group of people that has had such genuine talent that we have had, our impacts have been in propaganda what is regarded as otherwise impossible even with millions if not billions of dollars, and our guys have done it effortlessly with empty hands. Under the censorweb literal racist anti semites like us have controlled virtually every meme and linguistic to this day from which everyone else including unoriginal leftoid/npc fags steal from, we have to run this train both ways.
>>15018 this the cartoon Murdoch Murdoch has led to many people waking up belive it or not, i know two of them in my close circle culture/counterculture is very important
>>15017 >to distract and placate racially conscious Whites into a fantasy world That game would be played by normies who would finally be offered an alternative to kike propaganda in their entertainment. It would hardly be much of distraction for those already aware, except for casual fun. If successful, it would achieve much more than the spergs that you call "demigods", who have only effectively terminated themselves without achieving anything other than helping the kikes to censor any alternatives. >Because if there was just two thousand men like those I just listed, the West would be back in the hands of the rightful owners--the White man <Being this deluded In an era where not even the large standing armies with heavy and advanced equipment, intelligence, engineering and other supporting departments and professional chain of command engage each other in shooting wars, but rely on informational, psychological, etc. warfare, you are suggesting that, with 2000 people nonetheless. Kikes don't fear some spergs with low-caliber guns, they fear memes and free flow of information.
>>15017 >Sometimes I feel that all of the ubermenschen of our race were killed off in WWII, with the others dying in the gulag This was one of the first redpills I ever swallowed. Way back in high school, I began to wonder why people in old photos, and in old reports from the past were so much different and more manly in behavior and appearance than men today. I concluded that it was because the good quality men were killed off in huge numbers in the 20th century and the proportion of low-quality dysgenic males increased greatly in the population. This is not the only factor, of course, but I think it is definitely a contributing factor. This could be misconstrued as an anti-war statement, but it is not, for it is also clear that relentless warfare creates stronger men than does the stagnation of peace we face today in the West.
>>15034 In order for a population to remove weakness in their men, there has to be environmental pressure which punishes weakness. A constant state of low-level or small scale conflict does this because weak men will die first, and strong men prevail. One single large war followed by long periods of peace does the opposite. The strongest volunteer to fight and die every few decades while the cowardly and infirm breed safely back at home.
>>15020 It needs to be said that they only fear the flow of information because it will lead to many more "spergs" picking up those guns.
>>15046 Yup, pretty much. That is one of the many problems that exist with the current foundations to today's society. It is about comfort and efficiency above all else, and the byproduct of such a society is degeneracy and weakness. The end-result of the ideology of today is living in some pleasure machine for one's entire life.
Fuck the game. One plays vidya for the escapism, not to get redpilled. Playing will be far less efficient than simply sitting in a comfortable chair and watching a well edited documentary, because anything your could learn with a game, you can learn with a movie in a much more efficient way, at a fraction of the time.
>>15063 It's not like people would spend hundreds of hours of their lives playing Swastika Strike or Der Sieg. The point is as a gateway. Probably most of us are here because of funny Hitler memes. The books and documentaries come later.
>>15080 CUTE HITLER
>>14971 Here we go again, an artfag gets attracted to us because of our "underground" status, acts like a poser and then denounces us because he doesn't get the "streed cred" he wanted and hey he can't even boast about his work to his NPC friends, because we are such bad boys and it would have negative effects in his personal live if he showed his true colors. So let's get through with it: Der Sieg is too on the nose. Politics is not fun unless you play a round Diplomacy with drunken friends. But video games exist for fun and escapism, that doesn't mean they can't contain truths and redpills, but they have to be subtle and tasteful and fit an already great game. Because Der Sieg doesn't archive that it goes into the bin of all the other games created by "ourguys" like Angry Goy, Ethnic Cleansing, Holocaust Simulator and the Moonman mods for Doom. All these game and mods have in common that they have nothing to offer besides shock value and because of that they are on the same level of all the Naziexploitation the jews in Hollywood have created and the Media that was inspired by it. Because we are already exhausted and bored to death from the shock value media produced by the jewish mainstream media HOW CAN ANYBODY BE SO STUPID AS TO THINK WE WOULD WANT OUR OWN SHOCK VALUE SCHLOCK SHIT?! Consequently these people have to blame themselves for their lack of success. Give us a fun game like Gothic or Bloodlines or Arx Fatalis or Nosferatu Wrath of Malachi or Undying and make subtle reverences to the current state of the world. The broken shitpost of a game Mark Leung: Revenge of the Bitch had enemies called Black Mages that were all Niggers and a fucking pedo game like Unteralterbach was self conscious enough to point out the rotten nature of German mainstream culture yet somehow this is all too high math for anyone wanting to make a redpilled fascist game. Hell just make a functioning but very generic WW2 FPS game in which you play a German soldier. You don't wouldn't have to tell a great story, you wouldn't have to mention the Holocaust. Just a game about the biggest WW2 battles from a German view and people would eat it up. Also unless it is his very first game and he just started to learn how to program, 5 years is much too long for what he has delivered. A long development time hint's at a grifter nature of this projects, because had he just delivered his one man project in full it would have been a one an done deal. People would play it and have fun or not and remember him for that, but he wouldn't be able to attention harvest from that. Many wannabe game developers don't understand that while games can leave a deep impression on people they do so over an accumulated amount of time. It is normal that the people most moved by a certain game don't play it on release but month and years later.
Some people aren’t cut out for opposing the System. They get burnt out in time. Can we necessarily fault them? No. They’re just another herd animal who has strayed from the pasture for a time. Are they a traitor? Too early to tell. They will expose themselves through their actions in the years to come.
>>15108 pretty much this. games (and entertainment media in general) work best as redpills when they present subtle analogies to real issues, not when they hit the audience over the head with their ideas.
>>15117 A notable exception is the original Deus Ex, which was meant to be somewhat of a shitpost combining every possible conspiracy theory into a cartoonishly evil depiction of the ruling elite. But then it turned out too close to the truth.
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>>15118 The late 90s were a great time for conspiracy media: X Files, Beyond Belief, The Lone Gunmen, The Illuminati Cardgame. Instead of making a fascist friendly version of the Man in the High Castle playing in Britain, a better idea would have been a mystery game similar to that. The player starts out as a bluepilled guy that has to solve a mystery, he gets presented with a lot of distractions and red herings, but the true ongoings are only hinted at through some easily missed details. American Krogan on Bitchute made a great video about the hidden jewish narrative of Bioshock, where on the surface Bioshock is about politics like Liberalism and Capitalism but in truth it's a story about how evil goyim are destroying a jewsh attempt of building an utopia. This is the smart way of hiding a political narrative inside a game.
Vidya is the opium of the masses.
He made the right choice. If something is clear from the events of the last years, from the nigger holocaust of 2020, to corona-chan convid, to Afghanistan is that the enemy will destroy itself. Our goal should be to build a solid foundation for the future and he seems to be on that path now that he's focusing on his family instead of stupid games. He claims he had huge projects for this game but who was the audience? Our guys are too smart to waste their time playing games and entertaining the normiecattle is a huge waste of time. It was an ill-fated project from the start. I remember having these thoughts when I first saw him posting on 8kun about a year ago but I decided to not say anything because I didn't want to discourage him and I thought it was just a stupid shitpost game. Godspeed and sieg heil, anon.
I'll give an example of how a subtle redpill could work in vidya. let's say it's an RPG, with city-states in a fantasy setting. you venture out and visit another city-state, much richer and more powerful than your own, but its economy is almost entirely built on vice industry: porn, prostitution, drugs, gambling, slave-trading, etc. let's say there's time travel involved, so you can jump 200 years or so into the future. then you'll find that the vice capital is a desolate ruin, and the city-state you're from is still thriving. you learn from NPCs that the people of the vice capital didn't raise enough children to sustain their population, which led to large-scale race-mixing, which in turn led to a devastating civil war between various ethnic factions, with the end result that the whole place collapsed and the remaining people either fled or commit suicide (by overdosing on drugs of course). a story like this could really teach the audience about the evils of poz, while relying on analogy and letting them draw the connections, rather than lecturing them. >>15118 I think it worked because they were going for parody, and accidentally told the truth. >>15153 it can be, but it can also be a viable medium. humans have been telling stories, creating art, and playing games for as long as we've been on this earth. the problem is not the medium itself, it's the pozzed content. however, going to a contrarian, opposite extreme is not necessarily going to work out.
If anything he's contributing more by finding a wife and making a family, making sure that more White babies are born. Laughing at faggot OP and subhumans ITT calling him a defeatist and not being able to get laid, while trying to sound smart.
>>15233 inb4 he married a niggress
>>15247 >implying a negress would come to a snowy russian corrupt shithole And if that's the case, oh well. He's not the first and not the last.
>>15233 Redpilling people is much more important than breeding, otherwise your children will end up as slaves of the Jews and will eventually get degenerated and racemixed. You can have 10 White children, if they get poz'd it's the same as having none of them. Even worse, it drains all your energy and resources which could otherwise be used to counter kike hegemony. >and not being able to get laid Jews have weaponized sex, it's one of most powerful tools of their control. If you want to get laid, you must be a very good goi. Because women are programmed to expect you to behave like one in order to get access to sex. You can still get it anyway if you are a gigachad of some kind, but most people are not. >>15247 A Jewess more likely. And as far as Russian women go, she will dump him as soon as she drains the life out of him, or cheat around.
>>15233 are you ignoring the part where he says he regrets becoming redpilled and will return to being a lib normie?
>>15233 >If anything he's contributing more by finding a wife and making a family, making sure that more White babies are born. He's blackpilled and has no encouragement to do anything other than accept the world as it is today, raise a family, and play video games and hope shit will magically go away. How will surrendering to our enemies and allow them to pozz our children support our primary goal?
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>> 15255 If you're a good parent, your children won't become a slave of the jews.
>>15255 >You can have 10 White children, if they get poz'd it's the same as having none of them. Even worse, it drains all your energy and resources which could otherwise be used to counter kike hegemony. <muh women are all degenerate cock-carousel hoppers <muh gigachads <it's le so hard to find myself a woman Trash attracts trash, sorry if a whore in a choker suffering from BPD decided to suck off Jamal instead of you. Varg has 7 children, faggot. Best way to counter kikes is to reproduce out of spite. Or you want your precious dreams the 4th Intergalactic Reich or whatever the fuck wet dream you have to collapse? Somehow the fine speciemen I mentioned is doing fine and works on a tabletop RPG in his freetime, his children are also being raised well. Keep whining about women by the way, that will surely save the White race. If reproducing means being a good goy to you, there's nothing for us to talk about. Don't pollute the genepool. If you can't take care of your children and make your life stable, you are as worthless as a consumerist normalfag slaving away for the ZOG or an average nigger on welfare. Your redpilling doesn't do shit, it's like a phase for some people and yapping that won't lead to anything. The majority flip-flops as soon as they find something newer and interesting to talk about, it's pointless. Just find yourself a woman and try to sustain yourself. Nothing else. If you want to kill a rothschild banker and take as many kikes with pigs as you can some day, be my guest, just don't be autistic and write any manifestos. Don't make any retarded assumptions by the way. Doesn't make your situation better in any way whatsoever. >>15258 If your children are being pozzed you are an awful parent, that's on your part.
Things never said nor implied... >>14971 >he does nto wish to redpill anyone anymore because it brings only pain >>15256 >he says he regrets becoming redpilled and will return to being a lib normie Project much?
>>15260 >Varg has 7 children, faggot. So? He is hardly a legit figure, given how much he pushes for D&C and how much popularity he has. How does he sustain himself and his family? By growing his own food? Or by living off his royalties as an ex-musician and thanks to his wife and/or sponsors? The fact that the kikes didn't try to ruin him or send social services to take his kids away is suspicious as well. Because that's what they do to people who actually threaten them. I don't follow Varg so I might be missing something, but even if everything about him was legit, he is hardly threatening the system. >If reproducing means being a good goy to you In the right circumstances, of course not. But in the current circumstances, it's not a strategically viable priority. To reproduce today, you must first find the right woman, which is very difficult, and for that you need to invest a lot of your time and effort into superficial things, and adhere to social standards defined by the Jews. Then you must be able to provide for your future family, which means that you become even more dependent on the economic system, also defined by the Jews. Then your children are subject to poz'd laws, schooling system and the like, meaning that it's Jews who get to actually raise them and not you. If you interject, your kids get taken by the social services. So your reproduction gets used to almost entirely condition you to be a good goy. Even in other scenarios, having children just gives them something more to blackmail you with. Modern society works like a giant farm, your instinct to breed turns you into a milk factory for the kikes. It wasn't the breeders who threatened the system on chans, it was the childless misfits who sought and promoted the truth. Breeders are the first ones who are going to jump ship or betray as soon as things get tough because muh childrenz. Some people managing to live off the grid doesn't change the society. If enough people did that, kikes would take some measures to prevent it from threatening the (((economy))), and I doubt Varg has enough resources to defend his family from an army of ZOGbots. Nor do the deluded Americans who think that their hunting rifles can challenge the US (or any other) army. >Your redpilling doesn't do shit Which is why they went so far to censor everything and eliminate free speech and those who know too much.
You shouldn't going redpilling people. It only turns out badly. Instead, you should let them discover information on their own. Maybe help them or plant little seeds along the way, but if they're interested they will seek out info on their own.
>>15260 >Varg has 7 children, faggot. Best way to counter kikes is to reproduce out of spite hahhaha are you comparing this defeatist faggot to varg? varg is OPEN, PUBLIC and VOCAL about his beleifs, he is doing resistance Vasily admits to returning to the life of a sheep, not being a part of any resistance - cultural, idea or physical
>>15296 Varg also spent a considerable time in jail, has never tried selling a product, and is pretty much a social pariah outside of his niche fanbase. Even most other Fascists don't like him because of his far-out and frankly, sometimes retarded viewpoints.
>>15297 Most people are social pariahs outside their niche fanbases.
>>15260 >If your children are being pozzed you are an awful parent, that's on your part You don't seem to understand that the surrounding environments of urban life or suburban life are makes it difficult to stop our children from becoming faggots.
>>15293 >You shouldn't going redpilling people. It only turns out badly. Instead, You people are actually retarded and don't seem to understand that normalfags literally have to be spoonfed or need to directly be brought information that is constantly censored all across the internet. No normalfag is smart enough to discover the truth behind things such as 9/11, Israelis controling America, the Sandy Hook shootings without beint afraid of being called a conspiracy theorist. Most of us here most certainly cannot say that we became NatSoc without someone from /pol/ educating us. Redpilling people has worked before and during the 2016 election, because anons gave solid evidence redpills that normalfags cannot deny.
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>>15301 >my child is a faggot because me and my wife were wagecucking for shlomo all day so we could afford to buy everything the neighbor has and now I must cope
>>15303 >my child is a faggot because me and my wife were wagecucking You are another example of the special EDs of this board who can only strawman and miss the point entirely. Although I shouldn't expect much from a NEET who hasn't done anything at all to save the White race. <be a retard on /fascist/ <Support the idea that Whites should stay and fight within their cities <shit on wage slaves and automatically assume that if you live arounr the urban than you are living on wages Stupidity like this is why fascism isn't on the rise.
>>15293 If they were capable of discovering information on their own we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. Another important factor to consider is them caring to discover information in the first place. Even many smart people won't care as long as they are given bread and circuses. >>15297 >has never tried selling a product Burzum albums are being sold through a recording label, I doubt he is not receiving any royalties. As small as his group of fans is, it's still enough to support his life financially. He is one of most popular black metal musicians, even if he acted like a total kike by killing Euronymous.
>>15305 >I have no brain and I must cope.
>>15308 >even if he acted like a total kike by killing Euronymous. He deserved it for being a communist alone. It was probably the best career choice that Varg could have made, if you really think about it. >>15293 You just have to know the audience you’re talking to. I am more brash here than I am in real life, but I don’t kosherize either.
>>15305 >Support the idea that Whites should stay and fight within their cities ‘Their cities’ — cities are tumors on the land. They are Jewish colonies on the nation, and need cut out and destroyed. No thinking White man should ever live in a city or anywhere near one. Tarrant’s view that we should stay in the cities is a ridiculous view. People need to leave the cities as soon as possible. When shit hits the fan it will be rootless urbanites who die off in droves. They are helpless domesticated animals. Wagecucks are basically herd-animals. They will always follow the leader right into the slaughterhouse. Like I said THINKING White men need to free themselves from the herd, and leave the cities before it’s too late. Nothing good will come from living among the masses of shuffling humanoids
>>14971 >anon gives up on his mediocre game and finds a gf >OP sees clear signs of a sad/mentally unstable person Medicalizing dissent worked out so well for the soviets, go for it faggot!
>>15312 Killing is fun, I always wanted to kill someone. I bet his wife wouldn't love him so much if he wasn't an apex predator.
>>15315 t. Vasily The whole mental illness / psychology scam in the West today is a total hoax. This much is clear, but it’s clear that if one gets pussy and then immediately abandons their beliefs that they are weak-minded and were using their beliefs as a cope or a crutch. >>15316 Nothing makes a woman more excited than a violent man.
>>15318 > but it’s clear that if one gets pussy and then immediately abandons their beliefs that they are weak-minded and were using their beliefs as a cope or a crutch. this the most dangerous person to have in your surrounded is someone who is single
>>15321 It’s why they fear the virgin male so much. Unfortunately for them, their system is creating masses of them.
>>15311 Yes this sums up the entirey of your posting. >>15314 >No thinking White man should ever live in a city or anywhere near one <We should retreat and run away from As expected from retards who have no real world experiences or understanding of anything pretty much.
>>15318 >Nothing makes a woman more excited than a violent man. I remember the times when (actual) fascists did not care on what women want or think about. What I get from this statement is that you have some insecurities on how women see men, because no one with a brain cares about incel logic or what females want out of a man.
>>15330 Why are you so mad? The cities offer nothing to White men. They are concrete hellscapes. The anti-nature. >>15331 I don’t care what women think but it’s still true.
>>15333 >Why are you so mad? The cities offer nothing to White men What showed that I was upset? I just find it incredibly stupid to want to abandon and retreat from the very thing that allows Jews to control Western nations in the first place. You're having too much optimism expecting that White people should just exclusively live in places and take over places that aren't America's and our rivals' center of gravity. If you abandon our cities then you're only going to lose strategically. Once again /pol/tards do not think within reality.
>>15335 >You're having too much optimism expecting that White people should just exclusively live in places and take over places that aren't America's and our rivals' center of gravity White people aren't going to leave cities. I'm talking about THINKING White men. Of course retarded cattle-tier White people are never going to leave the cities. Living in a dirty, crowded, crime-infested concrete hellscape brings no benefit to White men who are concerned with the state of the world currently, and the state of our race. If anything, we are far more constrained in the domains of the city. No one denied that cities are important centers of ZOG, but if anything that is more reason to live nowhere near them.

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