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Marx Thread Blackshirt 10/05/2021 (Tue) 19:32:48 ID:cc2a40 No. 15579
Where exactly does he go wrong? Is it in his complete economic determinism? His materialism? His idea that the human essence is no more than a product of social relations? This is what is most off-putting to me. In some vague sense I definitely accept that the material conditions of a society shape the social structures and nature of the people (this seems very obvious and rather indisputable to me), but to go as far as to say that the human being is nothing more than a product of nurture seems to be where Marxist theory falls completely flat. It seems to be where all of the leftists go off course. I was thinking this recently when reading Sartre's Existentialism Is a Humanism a while back, where one of his big ideas is that 'existence precedes essence', i.e. there is no human nature, and man defines himself, and this is true because there is no God or anything to define human nature. It's not hard to see how this degenerates into trannidom and degeneracy. Maybe this is just a natural side-effect of materialistic presuppositions.
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He was a kike, born to subvert and destroy the White race. That meme about German autism, just apply pic related to get an idea. I really wish someone would make an edit of this. You know, replace the Germans with the Jewish people fucking everything up. Just use Jews and make the first cutaways early Aryan civilizations.
>>15579 >Where exactly does he go wrong? He goes wrong on everything and everywhere. Marx's views were very Judaic (despite him being an anti-semite ironic enough) and his solutions to replace capitalism with a supposedly better system turned out to be an egilitarian utopia that comes from his misunderstandings of the burogesis, working-class, and economics in general. He unironically believed it could be achieved through class-warfare by getting rid of the the wealthy, empowering the poor or less fortunate, and establish a statist government where a group of oligarichal elites are to represent the proletariat, control the economy as a whole and transform society into a bee-hive form of collectivism. His answers to modern problems are not resolutions, but stems from his fiery contempt against his own family and everything that surrounded him, because he believed that nothing ever worked his way or was in-favor him. His mind is very similar and reflects the modern left's views and mentality as well. Remember how he wanted to deconstruct everything he was apart of and purposed that everyone should be enforced to share his depression and materialism (nilihism). Marx's entire mindset is clearly not from a healthy man who strives for a revolution to improve mankind, but to destroy it and everything that affirms life. His entire philosophy is just hatred. >>15617 This meme is so historically illiterate, and clearly comes from someone who is butt-hurt about Germans. Although I shouldn't expect /pol/ memes to be intelligent.
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>>15622 >Marx's views were very Judaic (despite him being an anti-semite ironic enough) Even the greatest of self-hating Jews cannot escape their nature! The root of understanding Marx is really to see that he was just another megalomaniacal Jewish intellectual, totally disconnected from life. His entire philosophy and worldview comes from reading books in a library, not from actually interacting with actual workers and other human beings. Even before Marx was 20 years old, his own father declared (pic related) that egoism was predominant in his heart.
>>15617 >germanics did nothing wrong they were just defending their folk >luther did nothing wrong he was freeing the germanic people from med influence >adolf did nothing wrong, fought to free his germanic folk from the jews but capitalists and communists united to destroy national socialism
>>15644 I know. That's why I emphasized replacing the German in the meme with kikes and replacing the phrase 'nice empire' with 'nice civilization', as in the White civilizations claimed by Jewish subversion.
>>15653 Because this board (typically) has a high IQ and talk about things that are outside of its subject matter. Fuck off to /pol/, nigger
>>15655 i'll try to explain it, essentially, Marxist socialism is wholly based upon the notions of universal egalitarianism and materialism, putting emphasis on class warfare and so-called proletarian unity, what Marxists fail to understand is that this leads to the utter and total destruction of all races and the degeneration of the peoples of the world by centralizing all authority into the hands of a single elite of bureaucrats who are mostly Jewish, as the Soviet government and NKVD was riddled with semitic influences and had a mostly jewish composition. In the name of the revolution, they manufactured the Holodomor, the expulsion of ethnic germans in once german land, and ruined what was once a decent country by forcing egalitarianism and collectivization from ethnic Russians and Ukranians to feed the Bolsheviks and their most ardent supporters, the useful idiots who later became the genetic dreggs of society. If you've read Savitri Devi, you would understand this as Marxist socialism has always lead to a total uprooting of civil society and plunge into egalitarian chaos and modernism, all of which are caused by Jews. You can see this effect in modern society where we are seeing faggot nigger porn being forced on children by pedophile rabbis. What National Socialism did was fix the problem that Marxist Socialists ignore, the race issue. By understanding Race Realism and the Jewish problem in society, the National Socialists created a germany that was great, strong and united from parasitical bankers and rabblerousing marxists. Marxist Socialism and Neo-conservative speakers are bankrolled by the same people: Wealthy jews, they are the 2 sides of the same coin. They deny Race realism and the laws of nature. The Elephants fight, but it is the grass that suffers.
>>15681 I forgot to mention that the most ardent supporters of Bolshevism were always genetic dreggs, before they were city dwelling useful idiots, and today they are city dwelling useful idiots who are called antifa, they cling to marxism because it promises them total equality and power, normal people would vote for hitler because he has normal ideas and is in touch with reality.
>>15681 I don't even know if they ignore the race issue. They just pretend that it doesn't exist. Which is funny, because if they are as thoroughgoing materialists as they say they are, one would naturally think that since there is no such thing as a human essence, and humans are merely the product of their environments and the social relations / modes of productions that they live and are reared under, that they would be very racially conscious. It's a huge defect in their theory, and historical materialism is bankrupt intellectually if it does not acknowledge this. On top of this, while Marxism pretends that it does not have any moral foundations, it clearly does, and they are morals which are built of Enlightenment values and the ideas of the French Revolution - brotherhood of man, liberty, equality, fraternity, etc. This is where the anti-racism comes in and compromises their allegedly disinterested materialist analysis.
>>15638 >Even the greatest of self-hating Jews cannot escape their nature! The root of understanding Marx is really to see that he was just another megalomaniacal Jewish intellectual, totally disconnected from life. Which goes to show that nazbols are idiots and cannot throw out the "b-but he was anti-semitic!" excuse for why he was supposedly "subverted" by the kikes. It's no different to how christians claim to also be against jews, but never truly against semiticism at its center, and refuse to see the wrong with Israelite philosophy and theology (many admit they do not care). What is wrong with the modern world is that the very few reject judaism at its core. Atheists are an example of what I am talking about. You would think they would be the type of group who reject all religious institutions, but instead they also hold mindsets and beliefs that are Abrahamic in nature. >>15696 >I don't even know if they ignore the race issue. They just pretend that it doesn't exist. They tend to ignore it, except for when it is convenient for them or it is too large of an elephant to be glossed over (racial war). Marxist are quite hypocritical in their beliefs that no race exists, except for when Whites or anti-semites are a threat to them. Marxists are truly the biggest of hypocrites, they learn so much in being like their masters (jews).
>>15744 One cannot grasp the notion of Judaism being an unchangeable, immutable force in the Kali Yuga without understanding the nature of these "theorists", once you see their disgusting life and their hatred-filled life, you can never see a Jew as an "innocent". They are tribalistic and full of hatred.
>>15744 >semiticism at its center, and refuse to see the wrong with Israelite philosophy and theology What the fuck is ‘Semiticism’ and ‘Israelite philosophy and theology’? These are just meme terms. Just like ‘Abrahamism’. Fact: there is no discernable different between so-called Abrahamic religions and Dharmic religions. All divides are artificial and easily refuted with even the smallest amount of discernment.
>>15781 >Fact: there is no discernable different between so-called Abrahamic religions and Dharmic religions. <Christcuck attempts to shill once again that reformative Judaism is Dharmaic. We've debunked and btfo'd you on this before. Dharma and Abrahamic are not even remotely the same. Look at what up Dharma is in the Dharmic thread and stop making excuses in wanting to be a kike.
It's just a scam. It's so simple most people think there must be something more to it. There isn't, it's just a huckstering fraud. Orwell's Animal Farm tells part of the truth. Basically the Marxists, who are jews mostly, come to a country and appeal to the masses of the down-trodden by talking about equality, the problems with capitalism, inequality etc. Then when they get into power they reveal the truth, and they implement a type of highly-centralized feudal system where the higher classes are mostly jews, and the vast majority of people are provided with a very basic level of existence. So basically, Marxists pretend to be egalitarians to win support, then when they gain power they implement a judeo-feudal system. That's what this "Great Reset" is doing.
>>15782 I'm not even a Christian, it's just the truth. You religiontards are actually just like Christians looking at Judaism and claiming that they're TOTALLY not the same shit. But they are. There's nothing that distinguishes Dharmic religions from Abrahamic religions. It's a totally meaningless distinction that has no value. The idea that Hinduism is based on any sort of racial caste system is another lie too, and anyone who has read their scriptures would see this.
>>15796 >It's truth because I said so lol >religiontards Yeah I don't wanna hear anything from a fedora calling something or someone a tard. >like Christians looking at Judaism and claiming that they're TOTALLY not the same shit Because Dharmic principles are not the same at all. The only reason why christianity has similarities is because they stole rebranded and revisioned pagan doctrines into their own. It's quite telling that you have no explanation of how worshipping a deity of the desert with something that concerns the cosmic order. >The idea that Hinduism is based on any sort of racial caste system is another lie too, No said it was based on a caste, you're going on irrevelant tangents.
>>15801 >The only reason why christianity has similarities is because they stole rebranded and revisioned pagan doctrines into their own. Who gives a shit, even Judaism has like 99% of the same doctrines and morals at the time of the Old Testament that pagan religions did. The only difference is some select dietary laws, no idols and the idea of one god over many. Besides that it's literally just squabbling over fiction. Jews push all religions so that the White man will look into the afterlife or look for gods to save him.
>>15802 >Who gives a shit, even Judaism has like 99% of the same doctrines and morals at the time of the Old Testament that pagan religions did. This is a cute way of you not admitting that you want to masturbate and be a faggot. Also no Judaism does not, you don't know anything about religion, but fail to even comprehend what they are about. >Besides that it's literally just squabbling over fiction. Go back to /leftypol/ or better yet kill yourself if you feel this way.
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>>15803 >This is a cute way of you not admitting that you want to masturbate and be a faggot. Weird that you instantly think that this was a slight against these doctrines' content and an affirmation of degeneracy. >Also no Judaism does not Yes it does. They all have the same obsessions with animal sacrifices, priestly castes, basic societal guidelines, etc. Read Nietzsche and grow up. He explained what religions are, and why they are ultimately not true. A religion is just one interpretation among others. Anything except Cosmotheism is myths and superstition holding the White race back.
>>15805 >Weird that you instantly think that this was a slight against these doctrines' content and an affirmation of degeneracy. We are still waiting for that argument on how Dharma and Christianity or any religion are the same. >read Nietzsche That explains why you're a faggot. Nietzsche was a gaylord atheist who neither understood philosophy nor faith. I also don't think you should be taking inspiration from a guy who had a fascination with jews, was a self-hating German, believed that there was no such thing as truth or objectivity. His entire philosophy is nihilism and leans towards degenerate egotism. The only reason why Hitler liked him was, because his talks of ubermensch and slave morality, which I can agree with to some degree, but his solutions and desire for it come are ignorant. I wouldn't count for the majority of things he has said as intelligent, especially when he uses psychoanalysis from Sigmund Freud. >Cosmotheism Gay and false, you're asking for us to LARP.
>>15808 >We are still waiting for that argument on how Dharma and Christianity or any religion are the same. They're both fictional life-denying worldviews with nothing to differentiate them aside from a meme-label. >a gaylord atheist who neither understood philosophy nor faith. You're sounding highly Christian right now. >believed that there was no such thing as truth or objectivity There's not. We are inherently bound to our perspectives and interpretations of the world. This mythical idea of objectivity does not exist. Everything is viewed from a subjective perspective, through a lens. If you think that Nietzsche is just nihilism, you've never read Nietzsche, since his entire philosophy is a reaction to the problem of nihilism in Europe, and how it was destroying Europe and leading to the world that we live in today. >especially when he uses psychoanalysis from Sigmund Freud. Sigmund Freud was post-Nietzsche, retard. Freud took from Nietzsche while claiming to have never read him, stealing his ideas. >Gay and false, you're asking for us to LARP. Cosmotheism is far closer to the truth than bringing back a dead religion that no one believes in. Even Hitler said that this shit died because it was moribund. Nothing dies unless it deserves to die, unless it is weak. The strong always overcome.
>>15815 >They're both fictional life-denying worldviews Are you going to prove it or just continue to be a Nietzsche sperg, also you're lying, because the Vedas is very life-affirming. >You're sounding highly Christian right now. <speaking the truth is Christian And you're trying to act like as if you're an intellectual? It's true, Nietzsche shilled materialistic nonsense. Do you think the Aryans or the NSDAP tolerated the irreligious? >There's not. <Whites are intelligent <Fire is hot <The Greeks were Greeks <There is such thing as race By your logic, none of these are facts. If there are no facts, then nothing that we have been fighting for years have been based off of reality. Again your interpretations of reality is incredibly retarded, although that's what being a Nietzschean does to you. >. If you think that Nietzsche is just nihilism, you've never read Nietzsche, since his entire philosophy is a reaction to the problem of nihilism in Europe Oh I'm aware of this, but the problem here is that Nietzsche's response to nilihism is a extroverted or more active form of it. >Sigmund Freud was post-Nietzsche, retard. What? I thought there was no such thing as objective facts? So surely this cannot be true, since there is no such thing as truth :^). This only confirms that anything that relates to Nietzsche is fake and gay if he can even influence degenerates. >Cosmotheism is far closer to the truth than bringing back <We are inherently bound to our perspectives and interpretations of the world. This mythical idea of objectivity does not exist. Cosmothesim is a stupid meme for people who want to LARP as kangz and create their own gey moralities. Cosmotheism brings nothing back, but a bunch of retards who justify their moronic actions and ideas. There are no truth in Cosmothesim and you shouldn't use the word "truth" if you do not believe in it. >Nothing dies unless it deserves to die, unless it is weak. The strong always overcome. Then why is comosetheism a failure when it comes to fighting against mainstream religions? If your interpretations are strong, then they should come off as something that common Whites will laugh at and never take seriously. Also Hitler never advocated for psuedo-religions and subjective thoughts of what morality should be. National Socialism's core principles were based on natural law and order
>>15815 >There's not. We are inherently bound to our perspectives and interpretations of the world. This mythical idea of objectivity does not exist. Everything is viewed from a subjective perspective, through a lens. This is one of the dumbest shit I've read on this board. Ah yes natural law, National Socialism, Aryans, war and violence, race, and life itself are just mere mythical interpretations that hold no true meanings or concept. They just things we think we see, but do not matter or exist in our reality. If the White race dies out or if Europe crumbles under Jews, then there will be no consquences at all for those are just mere mythistics. Your post is brain-rotten nonsense that endorses and sodomizes with atheist materialism. You must be that same evolutionist and transhumanist queers from cafe. If so, just want you to know that being inserting your Consciousness into a chip or injecting a serum offered by the Jews will not turn you into a superman. Atheism is an enemy to the White race.
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>>15790 This, most Jewish ideologies, political and economic theories are just very convincing and sophisticated lies that are supposed to work long enough for them to take over or cement their power, after which they always implement some kind of Talmudic feudalism/slavery where none of these theories actually matter, only the ruthless efficiency with which they exploit the goyim. That's why the genuine adherents of these theories, be they Marxist or Libertarian alike, are always living in the state of disappointment, failing to realize that those systems were meant to fail by design. This is also why most such theories end up converging into something ridiculous like what we see today. Ultimately, it comes down to a massive racket imposed by the Jewish mafia, with countless outward appearances. >That's what this "Great Reset" is doing Those agendas are basically an outward guideline for implementing the Talmud. They are not even hiding it anymore.
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>>15821 >dumbest >theism I beg to differ. Merely rejecting that which can by it's nature have no justification or warrant is not dumb. Judging the scientific method by faith criteria is as much a fallacy as the converse. The two paradigms are of separate categories and cannot legitimately be thought of in the same context. That which drives and motivates the non-religious National Socialism fan is the hope of saving their Race and Nation from oblivion and that which motivates the religious minded NS fan is service to their ideal personified as divinity by striving for salvation of their Race and Nation in this world. Both roads go to the same place, so the proper criteria by which to judge the trustworthiness of an interlocutor is an ardent desire to save their Race and Nation.
>>15808 >how Dharma and Christianity or any religion are the same. They both have the same amount of evidence for anyone to believe that they are true; Claims and stories.
>>15826 >I beg to differ. Merely rejecting that which can by it's nature have no justification or warrant is not dumb. Yes it, because paganism at its core both racial/ethnic. It's needs no warrant for anything, because it centers on blood and soil. Rejecting something you don't like, because you cannot understand it is something atheist do when they want to have gay orgies. >Judging the scientific method >muh flawed and retarded method >doesn't realize that faith has invented and developed all scientific What a surprise that you are a shitlib plebbitor! Are you also going to tell us to take the vaccine as well and that humanity evolved fron ape kangz. You're argument is retarded here, because the scientific method is flawed and should be doubted for how it is used for materialistic lies. >That which drives and motivates the non-religious National Socialism fan Which doesn't exist, you can't be a NS and atheist. Adolf Hitler and the entire NSDAP have expelled or probhited anyone without a spirit into the government. If we should accept non-religious National Socialist, then we might as well accept troons as well. >for salvation of their Race and Nation in this world Atheist Nietzscheans will serve nothing, but their own egos, esepcially at how they reject virtue, morality and objectivity. The first moment we have a ethnostate with atheist, they will argue on how pozz is ethical and that race-mixing to fine to a degree. Degeneracy will root itself out anywhere materialism goes. Again you're so retarded that you haven't explained why religion should be rejected and why there is no such thing as facts or truth. Only nonsenical bickering and a clear case that you are a fatherless child.
>>15835 >They both have the same amount of evidence for anyone to believe that they are true; Claims and stories. <Still gives no examples Lol you don't know anything about Dharma or Christianity. Just say you want to have sex with your boyfriend and go loser.
>>15837 ><Still gives no examples Different anon, anon. Examples; Jesus did magic in ancient jizzreal "Proof"; Some jews said that he did Example; Shiva slew a bunch of enemies with a thunder-bow "proof"; It is written. In all honestly, I would be more open to believe in the claims of ancient Aryans than the claims of ancient jews. Anything written by a jew, I automatically dismiss as a lie or a misrepresentation. But that doesn't mean that I believe in Hinduism.
>>15826 >Cries about how religion goes against muh scientific method >Also argues that there is no such thing as objectivity or facts, but only mere interpretation >doesn't realize that the scientific method is based on both calculated and observed facts You're an idiot mate, and should stop reading Nietzsche before you become a tranny. >That which drives and motivates the non-religious National Socialism fan So being explicitly retarded and having no acknowledgement of the world around and what it consist of is something that drives "atheist National Socialist". If so, then it only contradicts what National Socialism is about and has obligation to do what is both true and correct, just mere le interpretations based on their emotions and thoughts that are >>15839 >samefaggot thinks he can trick people Nice try, you're the same guy. I never saw anyone like you until now. Are we really going to do this shit again with you derailing threads, because you have no idea of what you're talking about. You are an anarchist no a NS. >Examples; Jesus did magic in ancient jizzreal >Example; Shiva slew a bunch of enemies with a thunder-bow <T-they lacks p-proof!! <T-the ancients are supposed to prove something that cannot even be proven to the mortal/modern eye!!! The fact that you are using this incredibly retarded fallacy, think you're going to convince anyone of accepting non-religious WNs, and have no understanding of either Dharma or Christianity proves that you are one of the gayest of atheists. Again, you are not a National Socialist, if you feel that religion is meaningless, then you can join r/atheist and stop coming here forever.
>>15840 >and has obligation to do Meant *and has no obligation to do* >You are an anarchist no a NS. Meant *You are an anarchist, not a NS.*
>>15839 >proof The Vedics is a story told by old sages who experienced everything that occured where both man and Gods co-existed long before the Kali Yuga. How are is something supposed to be proven that occured millions of years ago? Do you expect things to just be handed to you as information? It seems to me that you will doubt Jews, because their our racial enemy, but for your ancestors you will believe only if it fuels your narcissism. Calling Aryan wisdom as mere claims goes to show that you do not hold any faith in your ancestors, but only what you want concieve to exist, and at the same time makes you look great for assoication with a noble race.
>>15826 >The two paradigms are of separate categories and cannot legitimately be thought of in the same context The view of 'non-overlapping magisteria', which I think you are referring to here (unknowingly or not), is actually the product of a Jew, namely (((Stephen Jay Gould))), one of the foremost Jews who desperately tried to fix evolutionary theory in the 20th century with his theory of 'punctuated equilibrium', a non-scientific theory if there ever was one. It is designed to give modern scientific naturalism dominion over the entirety of nature while relegating religious / mystical interpretations of reality into a tiny niche that they hope will one day die off and allow science to have complete control over the human mind. Mysticism and religion is far more than 'faith' too. >>15835 That's just false though. If you had ever browsed the Dharma thread (as I am sure you have not given how you are still wallowing in atheism), you would have seen my posts already where I have discussed with other anons Vedic epistemology, which is a highly developed area of Dharmic thought. The core of the Vedic tradition is not what Indra did in one time or place, or whether human history really does go back millions and millions of years into the past (note: it absolutely does), but rather the mystical experience that is achieved through sadhana, i.e. spiritual practice. There is a rigorous epistemological doctrine for this, and it has been revealed in the Vedic scriptures by the sages in order to elevate practitioners to the same spiritual state. If you want to disprove the Vedic claims about God, the soul and all of that, begin to practice the tradition earnestly and see whether it bears fruit. Hint: it will. Now it is true that Christianity is more historiographical in nature, but even then, I have spoken with numerous Christians in real life who believe because of the spiritual experiences they have had, not because they believe it because it is in the book. Primarily at least. >>15840 At least Nietzsche is consistent on this matter. If one reads The Gay Science they will read him trashing the scientific method and our conventional understandings of causality, change, truth, etc. I think it's a load of bunk personally, but whatever.
>>15819 >Do you think the Aryans or the NSDAP tolerated the irreligious? There were plenty of atheists/agnostics in the NSDAP, it was an organic ideology centered about certain core principles, not a theocracy. SS was the spiritual elite, but their spirituality was rooted in transcendent myths, not some semitic priesthood.
>>16000 >There were plenty of atheists/agnostics in the NSDAP Can you name the "plenty"? >it was an organic ideology centered about certain core principles, not a theocracy. Again with atheist liberal perspectives, believing in gods does not make something theocratic and National Socialism's core perspective were based off of Germanic mythos and romanticism which were very neo-pagan. The NSDAP should of acted as a theocracy and eliminated Christian influence from Germany. I really could careless if there were NS atheist, because all atheists and the irreligious are retarded and cringe. Never not met a single one who wasn't a massive degenerate. >but their spirituality was rooted in transcendent myths Atheists don't have spirits, so what you mean is that they *believed* in social darwinistic BS.
>>16000 >>16006 It's worth noting that atheism was essentially synonymous with Communism and radical leftism in the time of the Third Reich, and for very good reasons, I would even say today. Many people today unknowingly operate on principles that would be seen as extremely radical for most of human history today. This is because the modern age is completely animated by the Jewish revolutionary spirit. The fact of the matter is that atheism or agnosticism had almost zero place in National Socialism at all. Atheists were not even permitted into the SS, and Germany was of course 95%+ Christian at this time (which is not to say that NS was Christian, but just to take note of a basic fact).
>>16006 >Can you name the "plenty"? It seems that most of them were nominally religious and didn't want to alienate huge portions of the population. Just as many people are culturally Christian despite not truly believing it. >believing in gods does not make something theocratic and National Socialism's core perspective were based off of Germanic mythos and romanticism which were very neo-pagan Which has nothing to do with typical religions and theocracy as shilled by some posters in here. Let's not confuse universalist religions with spirituality and Volkisch esoteric teachings >The NSDAP should of acted as a theocracy and eliminated Christian influence from Germany In the long run yes (just as they began to), but it wouldn't be wise immediately and at once >so what you mean is that they *believed* in social darwinistic BS They believed in biological value of the race and in many practical effects of National-socialist ideology. Such as healthy, fair and strong economy with no usury and Jewish yoke, healthy, strong, beautiful, intelligent and creative population, wholesome life, scientific advancement, cultural achievements, preservation of nature etc. To ignore this is equally subversive as ignoring the mythical aspects of National-Socialism. >Atheists don't have spirits Neither do most religious people. In fact, most religions are as antithetical to genuine spirituality as atheism is. >>16011 Alienating agnostics and atheists would be stupid anyway, because National-socialism is not based solely in myths but in empirical facts as well. There is no evidence of them targeting atheists regardless of most population being nominally Christian (on paper, and due to the fact that it's the religion they were taught since childhood). There was no reason to alienate either, because National-Socialism is an organic ideology where religious D&C was entirely unnecessary and counter-productive. >Atheists were not even permitted into the SS Just as I wrote, they were the spiritual elite, not a religious "elite" like a common Levantine priesthood. It was an all encompassing political program.
>>16028 >Alienating agnostics and atheists would be stupid anyway Not really. It is statistically supported that atheists are far, far more likely to leftists of various stripes than not. This makes perfect sense, since atheism is a product of leftist revolutionary politics. One should at least stop and think on this matter, at minimum. > because National-socialism is not based solely in myths but in empirical facts as well Facts are always interpreted through a lens that will dramatically influence how a given 'fact' is viewed. There is no neutrality.
>>15840 >long whiny post without a single rebuttal. You prove my point. Jews have no leg to stand on. You demand unquestioning belief in judaism, yet you never provide a single reason for anyone to buy your shitty stories.
>>15843 >Calling Aryan wisdom as mere claims goes to show that you do not hold any faith in your ancestors I don't consider Indians to be my ancestors. At best, they are distant relatives who broke off from our main branch and mated with the local wildlife. If I had to choose, I'd say that we ought to look at religious sources closer to the Indo-European Heartland in eastern and northern Europe.
>>16066 >long whiny post without a single rebuttal. I gave you a rebuttal, you refuse to read it ane comprehend my points and continue to give nothing back intelligent to respond to. Give a counter-argument to what I said or take your atheist crap back to /pol/. >Jews have no leg to stand on. You demand unquestioning belief in judaism I literally did no such thing, as matter of fact with your Nietzschean nonsense on how there is no objectivity or truth, something Jews literally use to lie, corrupt and educate to our youth with, is the only thing within this thread that oozes kikery. You still haven't given us a reason to reject the Gods as mere interpretations, because "muh religion is Judaic". >yet you never provide a single reason for anyone to buy your shitty stories We gave you reason, your arrogance stirs you away from accepting truth and the your ancestor's wisdom for degenerate views. Are you going to give us the evidence that the NSDAP accepted atheism and agnostics as apart of its core? >>16067 >I don't consider Indo-Aryans to be my ancestors. Of course you don't. It's well-known that Jews and spiritual Jews reject their most ancient of White ancestors for ideological and philsophical retardation. What's even funnier is that you give no reasons for your beliefs outside of (((post-modernism))).
>>16067 >>16066 If this is the brain-power of atheist posters? Embarrassing. The fact that northern India used to be a powerhouse of Aryan civilization is literally an indisputable fact as well. Notice how you ignore all of the substance in the post you are responding to just to nitpick about some bullshit. The reason is because you have no leg to stand on with your 'arguments' because atheism is an inherently Jewish position (or even if one disagrees with that statement, it is sloppy philosophy and retarded in general)
Marx’s historical materialism isn’t completely wrong. It’s a half-truth. Economic circumstances and material conditions shape the nature of the people who live in them and their culture. To say that a human is nothing more than the sum of these things is where it gets silly though. Race and genetics are another factor. If Marx had jettisoned linear ideas of development, economic determinism and many of his leftist ideas, he wouldn’t have been horrible. Even when it comes to classes and groups struggle for their own self-interests, this seems like it does happen fairly regularly throughout history. The thing is though that it will never end, because that is how humans are. Therefore struggle away!
>>16134 > It’s a half-truth. Economic circumstances and material conditions shape the nature of the people who live in them and their culture. No it doesn't Jared Diamond, what shapes a culture and nature of a people are its blood (genes). To say economic circumstances and material conditions factors in the development of White culture has been proven wrong with the case of oldest nations such as the Roman Kingdom, Ancient Greece and England all being small nations and having sparse amounts of resources and were still able to out-develop and conquer many Eastern and Southern civilizations. A country can only be rich if its citizens are well-bred enough to know how to protect, educate and prosper themselves. Arguing material conditions as a factor is vague, because it can mean many things from geography, climate, etc which again many White nations still had become successful, despite their material limitations. By your logic, all it takes for niggers to have a country that is on par with Western Europe is just to establish more economic development, despite their entire continent being the most abundant of resources and having enough fertile land. DNA and spirit is the actual contributing factor not another, Marx is wrong.
>>16165 You would have to be retarded to think economic circumstances don't shape culture and the behavior of people. Material circumstances means anything from geography, climate, living conditions and beyond. No one is saying that this will turn a nigger into a White man, and there's no denial of genes in saying this. There's nature and there's also nurture. Marxism denies nature in favor of a total affirmation of nurture, while in reality it's nature and nurture together which shape a person, with the scales tilted towards nature. If we dumped some random White people in the wilderness with no knowledge how to produce the rudiments of civilization, it would be foolish to think that they are instantly going to figure out to recreate 21st century technology and the like. This is because the genius of any race (specifically the White race since genius is lacking in the others for the most part) is defined in a tiny, tiny percentage of the population. Technological achievements are the products of rare geniuses, or those building on the accumulated achievements of those who have come before. If you take a bunch of average IQ Whites and dump them in the woods with no civilization for hundreds of miles in any direction, they will recreate a fairly primitive society. If said society were to stay afloat and develop over hundreds of years, then we would see White geniuses crop up occasionally who would materially elevate this society, while a comparable experiment with niggers would lead to stagnation at the lowest level. Material conditions shape culture and therefore nurture, while man is not entirely determined by these, but he is influenced, and may in turn effect material conditions.
He was right about some things like capitalism depersonalizing culture, society, and yourself and capitalism itself being a cancer. A lot of right-wing thought has its basis in anti-capitalism that gets overshadowed because of how much worse communism is. On top of this it's good to know thy enemy anyway, communist books and the Talmud should be recommended reading.
>>16186 It is also very good to read Werner Sombart's book on the Jews and their connection to capitalism: https://archive.org/details/thejewsandmoderncapitalism_201907
>>16166 >You would have to be retarded to think economic circumstances don't shape culture and the behavior of people You would have to be retarded to think it does and the major contributing factor in creating a culture. >No one is saying that this will turn a nigger into a White man, and there's no denial of genes in saying this. That wasn't my point, retard. Read my post and stop being so ass-blasted. The implication that muh economics and material conditions are the sole or just major factors on how humans develop their a community is completely wrong, especially when you look at Africa and Asia, which are continents that have a ton of resources and yet still fails to build nations that are on par with both Classical and Western European civilizations and how the Germanics, who were somewhat primitive (at-least by modern scholars and the Roman standards) were viewed to be almost equals to the Romans. The Greeks have also said the same with some White barbarians that they've highly admired. Whites don't need many resources to be healthy and advanced, it's their blood that keeps them strong. >If we dumped some random White people in the wilderness with no knowledge how to produce the rudiments of civilization, it would be foolish to think that they are instantly going to figure out to recreate 21st century technology and the like. If you threw 180 IQ Whites in the wilderness who have no education in anything at all and are completely isolated from modern technology, you clearly won't see a rapid advancement of technology in the instant from that group obviously, because it takes hundreds of years to re-do the entire history on discoveries and inventions, but you will see Whites adapting, recreating and inventing tech that will assist in surviving the wilderness and development of communes popping everywhere. The idea you need resources to establish a stable and healthy society is something only materialists believe and use this excuse to justify rapid-industrialization which Marx advocated by the way. 21st century technology isn't a indicator of Europe at its peak.
>>16190 We pretty much agree actually. Anything that I would have to say in response to this would be just nitpicks. Economics and material conditions are not the sole factor or even a highly determining factor at all. They are a factor, but the overriding factor is obviously the quality of the people in question in the first place.
>>16189 Is Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism a good book?
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>>16287 I have not read it, mainly because of what I have heard people who have read it say on /lit/. They usually call it boring, trite or saying nothing that is really new. Especially if it's like 100 pages long I doubt that it is that big of a redpill. If you want to swallow weapons-grade redpills though spend the time instead of reading Jacques Ellul. He shows that there's no real difference between the two systems of capitalism and socialism, and that it's really just two different names for the same thing at the end of the day, it's the technological society, concerned with efficiency and organization above all else, snuffing out anything spontaneous, human, natural, etc. His books are a bit dense, but they are some of the best I've ever read, and he understands things much more than any Marx, Fisher, or other people. He even spends time talking about how Marxism was responsible, in part, to ending the suspicion of workers towards technology by promising them liberation through technology and different societal organizations, whereas before technology was seen as more of an enslaving force taking away jobs from workers and destroying traditional modes of life. Marxism pointed the finger at the capitalists and told the workers that they could advance to a higher mode of production only if they overthrew their masters.
>>16289 Good answer, i'll check him out
>>16320 The most important ones of his are 'The Technology Society' and 'Propaganda', in that order. 'The Political Illusion' is good, but once one is familiar with the other two they've basically gotten the point at that point, honestly. At least that's how I felt.
>>15622 >He unironically believed it could be achieved through class-warfare >despite him being an anti-semite ironic enough Are you retarded? Marx is literally a jew by mother. "His maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx" I have known one jew who claimed to be non-religious... yet he ended up peddling the same jewish social justice warrior shit. They cant help it... Marx's "class warfare" is another retaded and unrealistic thing, mostly because people are not tied to one class by birth, and those classes are fluid. The only REAL reason to use classes is to divide a given society in order to enslave it and keep it preoccupied. So, did he get it wrong from a naive view on his work? Yes. Did he actually achieve something destructive to goyim like any "normal" jew strives to? Absolutely yes.
>>16289 >Marxism pointed the finger at the capitalists and told the workers that they could advance to a higher mode of production only if they overthrew their masters. >>16289 >Marxism pointed the finger at the capitalists and told the workers that they could advance to a higher mode of production only if they overthrew their masters. yet every time working retards try it, they fail. It is vanity to think you can do a job of high level organizer because you were a janitor there. Marx sells his idea that it is totally possible.

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