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How would fascism save America ? Blackshirt 11/25/2021 (Thu) 10:10:16 ID:dca10b No. 18190
Reading the Gulag Archipelago about soviet russia is like reading about the present and future of America. My 2 questions is how would fascism deal with this if they in power in America ? And could fascism save America?
>>18190 Nah, man. Americans have to die. They're too fat and retarded. There's no saving them.
Fascism has to fit the society in which it arises. It’s not a one size fits all ideology, it can work anywhere but it needs to fit for lack of a better term.
>>18190 Fascism wouldn't save the USA, but it would secure the survival of White Americans.
The freemasonic United States of America need to dissolve if the rest of the world wants a hope at escaping the hellish kike world order that rules from there. So no, America does not need to be saved. White people in America need to be saved, and this fascism could do. Fascism means unity of the individuals to strengthen the whole group. If Whites stick together they might survive in America, if not they will simply be genocided, and the rest of Europe will follow their path.
We're past the point of wanting to save (((America))), at this point, America needs to be destroyed so that it can be reborn. The first thing any Fascist movement that found itself in power in America would have to do would be to start dealing with Jews immediately. Banning them from academia, from banking, from the media, from public office of any kind, closing down the synagogues and herding the Jews back into cattle cars. Before this is done, it would be impossible to carry out any sort of larger agenda. With the main mouthpieces of Cultural Marxism and technocracy cut at the root, the state would then have long-ranging powers to begin a cultural revolution that would begin to re-Aryanize America. Freedom of association for businesses would be granted, segregation would be mandated slowly, race-mixing would be banned, and all mixed-race marriages declared null and avoid, sodomite propaganda would stop immediately, communist and socialist activities would be banned, as would all organizations and groups that push against the newly-established state. Strict control of media, internet and press would necessarily follow, and a wide-ranging reconstruction of society would begin.
>>18201 None of this would happen without a massive civil war that would probably be reduplicated in Europe as well.
>>18203 Undoubtedly. Massive civil war is almost inevitable given the trajectory we are on in America though. There's still the potential that it would be some sort of Jewish Hegelian dialectic movement of cuckservatives versus liberals, but the pure race war option is still on the table.
>>18190 Criminals always criminalize self-defense when they get into power because it makes their crimes easier to commit. That's why jews hate self-defense.
>>18201 >segregation would be mandated slowly Why stop at segregation?
>>18190 we dont want to save America just White Americans. its best to get out of that degenerate place and burn it to the ground
This is a far less important question than how do fascists gain power. What should be done afterwards is easy to answer, just look at White civilizations before they became jewed. So far no one has come up with an answer to how fascists gain power, one that would actually work and get all these LARPers to stop hiding at home because of the flu rebranded and go out and take part in the movement. Everything else is just intellectual masturbation.
>>18210 Because at this point anything more than that is going to be fantasy-tier. Look into the demographics of America. Removal or relocation would take so many resources, strategic thinking and manpower that it is essentially not even worth posting about.
>>18223 >Removal or relocation would take so many resources it's not even worth posting about 2040sfascist.jpg
>>18232 You're intentionally ignoring the part of my post where I say 'at this point'. If you had done any research into this topic you'd be well aware that when it comes to blacks alone, not to mention other racial groups, that there are over 40 million blacks in the United States. You need to realize the sheer scale of this. Even the biggest forced population transfers in human history such as those under the USSR are absolutely dwarfed by the amount of blacks alone we have to deal with. <This includes deportations to the Soviet Union of non-Soviet citizens from countries outside the USSR. It has been estimated that, in their entirety, internal forced migrations affected at least 6 million people.Of this total, 1.8 million kulaks were deported in 1930–31, 1.0 million peasants and ethnic minorities in 1932–39, whereas about 3.5 million ethnic minorities were further resettled during 1940–52 So if we're just talking about blacks, at problem with them in America is at least 7 times larger than the population transfers of over six million people over twelve years in the USSR which already had in itself unfettered authority to operate. And again we haven't even taken into account Hispanics and other immigrant groups. The LARPers here are very easily distinguished from people who have even begun to consider the logistics.
>>18234 >Y-you need to cry shit and cum about muh logistics!!!! Shut the fuck up, you're obviously using one of those other shills attempting to use a Fabian strategy to prevent our side from genociding you're entire retarded family. There hundreds of ways to ethnically cleanse nigs who are incompetent and were just as worthless as they were in the civil war and Vietnam.
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>>18269 It may surprise you, but actual politics is based in reality, not ebin fantasies
>>18270 >You're intentionally ignoring the part of my post where I say 'at this point' Segregation can't be done "at this point" either, or at any time within the current political system by jews. That's why we say there is no political solution. Anything we talk about must necessarily come after some kind of massive insurgence and civil war which will be in the future. If you want to limit the conversation to what can be done "at this point" within politics you need to have a record of success to legimitize that. Otherwise you are just talking down to others but without a leg to stand on.
>>18210 You can always tell when conservatives pop in because they can never part with their niggers. He wants to stop at segregation because he wants niggers close by to attack you constantly, so he can disrupt you and take gains on the margins that emerge. Conservatives understand they are thoroughly discredited everywhere, so they take greater pains than usual to disguise what they want -- which is to always have conditions within reach that will injure European-Americans.
>>18279 The simplest solution is nuclear weapons to delete non-Whites.
>>18285 Where does it say in the post that he would end with segregation? What >>18201 is laying out is clearly a slow progression of a White Nationalist agenda. Just read it: >The first thing any Fascist movement that found itself in power in America would have to do would be to start dealing with Jews immediately. So that’s clearly the first step, and it makes sense. And then with the Jews gone: >With the main mouthpieces of Cultural Marxism and technocracy cut at the root, the state would then have long-ranging powers to begin a cultural revolution that would begin to re-Aryanize America. Clearly the cultural revolution described here is also a racial revolution as we see talk or ‘re-Aryanizing’ America. The rest of the post follows a gradualist approach of progressive racial separation, and the end of the post again emphasizes the continuing nature of this societal reconstruction. High IQ posters will realize that this is the most likely approach, as much as LARPers may hate to read it. How do Jews gain power? Even they do not immediately go full-out in their policies, they gradually implement them and reshape the society. Non-Whites will be removed and resettled in time, or killed if they have to, but only a retard would not stop to think of how difficult dealing with the sheer numbers will be in America. In some European countries it will be easy to immediately remove them all. >>18286 LARP post. That’s a good way to get nuked back, invaded by a dozen other countries simultaneously, or to turn your own country into an irradiated wasteline. Even dumber when you consider that non-Whites cluster in economically important locations like cities.
>>18299 >cluster in economically important locations like cities. I think that's the point.
>>18310 Again, not a smart idea, to put it lightly.
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>>18190 America doesn't deserve to live. Let it die for the betterment of the world. When America dies so will The state of Israel as well.
>>18208 that's what I was thinking. shifting the current momentum would require a massive, violent upheaval. there are too many people in the West enthusiastically seeking slavery and destruction. at this point, I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if my country (the US) can be saved. ideally it will be, because in spite of everything, I still feel a sense of loyalty to it, but given the extent of poz, the racial tensions, demographic shift, weaponization of trannies, the mobilization of our institutions against a moderate President like Trump... I don't know. this country has survived crises before, but that doesn't guarantee the future.
>>18324 The Israelis can also lean into other allies, such as the UK; they could persist for a while, and if they destabilize their neighbors totally enough, as has always been their M.O, then the parasite may outlive the host.
>>18327 >The Israelis can also lean into other allies, such as the UK The UK is not relevant. This whole US spaz out over China is happening specifically because kikes have realized they can't jump ship there.
>>18190 I dunno, ask Lincoln rockwell or Yockey.
>>18337 >This whole US spaz out over China is happening specifically because kikes have realized they can't jump ship there. But they can. Links are tightening between Israel and China. Many wealthy members of the Jewish elite are intermarrying with East Asians as well in anticipation of the future so that their offspring with be able to disguise themselves in a predominantly Asian society. Most of the West will be forcibly pulled into the Chinese orbit in the decades to come.
>>18341 Perfect then india will come and then the AYYs will come to tell us that we are retarded and that they are turning us back to stone age.
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>>18343 I wish the ayys were that benevolent. Unfortunately I think that they're in cahoots with the elites. If you've ever seen a UFO, they give off a very sinister vibe.
>>18345 Do you think there is only one ayy species?
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>>18343 >>18345 Weren't flying saucers supposed to be from Germans who escaped to Antarctica, or is that just another retarded theory?
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>>18346 It's hard to say, but I very much lean on there being multiple species. Just looking at modern reports from the last century or so alone we can conclude that greys, reptilians, nordics and a few rarer types appear all to be different species. What is harder though is judging what their motives are. If you spend time reading these reports about sightings or even abductions, what you will soon come away with is that they often seem to be a purposeless or absurd series of events. Who knows what they could be thinking or trying to do. It's best to view these things as like any human group. Could be friendly, could be not, could be operating with mixed motives. >>18347 There are certainly a lot of reports of Germans at least being familiar with some degree of flying saucer technology. But I think to reduce the UFO phenomenon solely to the Germans would be a mistake. It is true though that the modern UFO phenomena begins in 1947, after the war, but really, if we dig deep, we will see that this has been something going on for all of history. Even in the late 19th century in America, in 1897 more particularly, there was a massive wave of mysterious airship sightings. These things were far in advance of the technology at the time, and in many reports were piloted by beings who were most definitely not humans. And then there is of course the vimana phenomena. The devas of Vedic, Buddhist and Jain legends were also referred to as the 'Vaimanika', or those who pilot vimanas, which from all descriptions, are clearly some sort of vehicle quite similar to flying saucers. It's possible that the Germans might have tried to reverse-engineer some of this technology when they sent expeditions out to Tibet and similar places.
>>18347 Nothing is impossible my friend.
>>18341 Give it a rest, thuletide.
>>18347 Not sure about stuff like flying saucers, but don't forget that a lot of modern technologies exist thanks to NS Germany. What if American kikes and Soviet kikes didn't manage to obtain all of it? There is definitely something "alien" that they fear, but the question is where would it actually come from. Not necessarily from another planet.
>>18391 >There is definitely something "alien" that they fear, but the question is where would it actually come from. Not necessarily from another planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkKpV85IZFE
>>18220 >So far no one has come up with an answer to how fascists gain power The answer is simple: charity under the sign of your movement. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked. Clean up trash by the side of the road. Give someone a job. Fix their porch and offer to haul their trash to the dump for free. White Americans need to see that some people truly care about them. They need to see that there's an alternative to (((The System))), that the alternative is not evil, and that it's actually wholesome and helpful. Stickers and marches are getting the cart before the horse.
>>18190 Unfortunately many do not realize that America is not the Republic, it is the nation of Western European-descended peoples that are stuck within borders that have grown into a multicultural economic zone. If Fascism, combining both Italian and German doctrine, came to America, it would not save the Republic, or the United States, but it would save the nation, America. The first move that should be taken is a paramilitary wing of the party that the leader assumes association with, and plenty of troops to cooperate with law enforcement and the military. The second step of a Fascist-minded president is to assume complete and total control over the media. Democracy and liberalism are both powered by the status of not only the institutions that form our government, but the various institutions that form civil society: if you've heard of organizations such as the ADL, SPLC, or ACLU, these are civil society organizations that practice and technically enforce liberalization of society, outside of the government. Control over the media is not just for a first step in socialization of your population, but for easier elimination of these groups who would not only protest Fascism, but be able to provide material to groups who can physically oppose the regime, i.e. Antifa or black nationalists. As soon as civilian opposition is severely weakened and the president's paramilitary troops have infiltrated law enforcement, there is more than enough room to undo democracy at this point. Fascism's way of saving America comes through the means by which the leadership of the nation, someone who must be an exceptional individual, is willing and able to bring his people to greatness through each other: to rid his people of their most undesirable qualities. >>18201 >We're past the point of wanting to save (((America))), at this point, America needs to be destroyed so that it can be reborn. There is one advantage America has over European nations politically. America has a much larger and more vibrant right-wing populist culture than anywhere else in Europe. The efforts of nationalists in Europe shouldn't be downplayed, and the work that many do there is commendable. However, if Americans were as patriotic as the average British or Spanish man, getting the various right-wing political cultures available in America to accept a Fascist regime would be much more difficult. The situation is not at all hopeless. The faults in modern Fascism is similar to what >>18423 points out, demonstrations are entirely unnecessary and pointless when we do not have proper admiration from the more reactionary divisions of right-wing populist cultures and even regular people. It does not help that subversive elements like AWD or degenerates like Anglin are able to take front and center of media interest.
>>18432 > subversive elements like AWD or degenerates like Anglin are able to take front and center of media interest no person, place or thing 'takes front and center of media interest'. The media creates its own narrative out of whatever it wants. You don't actually need a 'protest' to generate a media 'protest' -- they'll whip that fucker out of thin air. Same with everything else. You speak of 'media interest' as though they 'report' things. You are either a shill or an idiot.
>>18442 >The media creates its own narrative out of whatever it wants. And "whatever it wants" happens to include the two examples I mentioned, which didn't come from the media's ass if that's what you meant by "out of thin air." Even if they bend the facts constantly or decide to ignore details entirely, they typically choose something to "report" first, even if it's an obvious fed like Christopher Cantwell. It's much harder to fake "alt-right investigations" than it is to smear make-up on a Syrian child and put them under a piece of concrete for a decent anti-Assad photo.
>>18432 >There is one advantage America has over European nations politically. America has a much larger and more vibrant right-wing populist culture than anywhere else in Europe. You're delusional.
America was supposed to be /fascist/ originally, but it didn't take kikes too long to infiltrate it and turn it into what it is today.
>>18467 America originally had ethnocentrist elements back when the Founders were still in tune with their natural instincts and inclinations, but sadly, America was a Jewish creation from the very start. Look into the Revolution and how much Masonic involvement and Jewish finance went into it. It was essentially the same forces that would try to start a revolutionary uprising in France within a few years after America gained its independence. In the beginning America was much better than it was today, almost infinitely better though. I don't think the Founders foresaw or really planned for any of this to occur. It was the natural result of the developing dialectic though.
>>18470 It has always been a tool to attack the Continent.
>>18220 The answer is now and has always been violence, anyone who says differently has read nothing from National Socialist,s let alone Mein Kampf, or Siege or most of William Luther Pierces writings, or radio shows and is simply seeking to take the path of "fascism" which enables them to look like they have a plan to take power from the system while simply planning a lifelong grift. Many many cases are operating exactly as such right now From Patriot Front to Christopher "Hammer" Pohlhaus to NRM even to Golden Dawn, yes with mostly or exclusively White but not necessarily Aryan people. this is called Meatr grinder Nationalism, they pull you in, exploit your natural radical fervor and channel that fervor exactly where the jew wants it, right back into the system, in general it goes like the following: WE HAVE TO VOTE GOY, SO VOTE FOR MY PARTY AND ME AS A POLITICAL REPRESENTATIVE. WE HAVE TO CHANGE PEOPLES MINDS, GOY, SO SIT ON 4CHAN AND SPAM THOSE FAGGOT "FEDS" WHO ADVOCATE FOIR VIOLENCE GIVE US 50$ FOR THIS BOOK/SHIRT/VARIOUS OTHER MERCH, GOY ALL THAT MONEY DEFINITELY GOES TO HELPING WHITE PEOPLE EXCLUSIVELY I see those exact kind of morons harping on and on and saying things from time to time designed to elicit interest from true radicals pulling them in and filling their heads with ridiculous ideas of electoral victory, that will not happen, and the kikes have made sure of it. >>18223 Extermination costs less than all three of the options you just mentioned
>>18865 >Extermination costs less than all three of the options you just mentioned exactly right. the solution is nuclear.
>>18872 Nuclear should be a last resort, for either loss or crippling dangerous enemies, but is certainly not off the table.
>>18865 >Extermination costs less <it costs less to systematically and completely annihilate hundreds of millions of human beings, to round them up, to confine them, to kill them, to somehow get rid of their corpses and transport them somewhere, and to maintain the infrastructure to keep this going You haven't thought of this in-depth at all.
>>18872 >>18907 Giant farm fields lie empty all over the US corral the Shudra within and starve them just like the allies did to the Germans after ww2,(along with a huge helping of rape and general murder much worse on the russian side) or be like Genghis Khan and slaughter 4.5-9 million Subhumans in less than 6 months, killing is not hard, corpse disposal is more complicated but I see no reason we can't bury them where they starve, or just leave the corpses for the carrion eaters to dispose of. It does not take much infrastructure, is still the cheapest of the three options and requires no sacrifice of resources for anything more than ones own troops carrying this out. Assuming I haven't thought it out was retarded, I have. It is the best option by far, short of corralling them in cities, and then turning them to ash with Hydrogen bombs, or even White Phosporus to allow the environment more ease of recovery. There are many options and all of the extermination options cost far less than creating huge complexes and staffing them to determine where these things are from and sending them back on ships which have to have the supplies of food and fuel, to feed the subhumans and staff, and for the return journey as we won't have the option to go into any given port an restock, planes would be too risky, and not an option for a nation who would effectively be the open enemy of any remaining countries of the ZOG order, or attempting to maintain segregation, which has always failed and still had niggers killing/raping/pestering Whites even at it's most effective. Take your faggot pussy ass bullshit and go elsewhere.
>>18942 This x1000. Anyone who suggests anything below reducing shitskins to ashes should be looked upon with suspicion. Maybe someone among our ranks is a niggerlover or even worse, a nigger/goatfucker who is masquerading as one of us (to persuade us to take peaceful options as they're scared). The inevitable solution of violence must be reminded. Been seeing a lot of Whites taking compromises. >not all X are bad (for e.g.)

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