Some excerpts from an article on the red-haired mummies of the Tarim basin, and how only Chinese scientists are allowed to stud them. https://archive.fo/58dDc

Anyone got info about the Persian Emperors and nobility having blond or red hair, and blue eyes or green eyes?

>>2553 Ismail I was one king who had red hair and brown eyes, and the only depiction of Cyrus left didn't portray him having a sharp nose and big brown eyes as is so commonly touted. As for light hair and eyes the general population used to have those but now have been largely relegated to the north of the country and within the mountains of Afghanistan and Tajikistan. A sidenote on that, I believe the Kalash are what the Aryans (or closest resemblance) to them that invaded or migrated to India looked like.

>>3517 >A sidenote on that, I believe the Kalash are what the Aryans (or closest resemblance) to them that invaded or migrated to India looked like. I think that is a fair assessment. Another good hint might be to look at the Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Even today many of them are remarkably Caucausoid in appearance (pictures attached). The reason I mention them in particular in connection with your mention of the Kalash is that because the Pashtuns are directly mentioned in the Rigveda, which is of course the oldest text in any Indo-European language under the name of Pakthas. Even today another name for the Pashtuns are Pakhtuns. Since even today these people use the same name as applied to them in the Vedas and a number of them look remarkably White, it’s likely that certain members of their group such as pictured looks similar to the original White inhabitants of India. The Kalash provide even more proof

Any good articles about the legitimacy of the Oera Linda Book? Even if only partly true it would pretty much link all of the posted information here together. Can also recommend the documentary "Skeletons in the Cupboard" which uncovers the hidden and purposely destroyed history of White Natives in New Zealand / South pacific. Actual descendants are shown and interviewed with genetic proves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15ROUH3gAQ

>>3575 Farsi and especially Yaghnobi are probably the closest live example of what the Scythians and whole Aryan race spoke before migrating to Europe, Iran, Tarim, and India.

>>4648 I've often heard Lithuanian touted as being a very conservative IE language as well. Speaking of the Yaghnobi, the Wakhi people are another Iranian ethnic group living in remote regions of Afghanistan, Tajikstan and Pakistan who retain many Aryan features in the photos I have seen.

ITT: We wuz Egyptians! We wuz Indians! We wuz Chinese! White civilization is glorious enough as is; no need for grafting ourselves onto the histories of other people. >>2548 Note that these are mummies from the far west of China. We wuz not da Han Chinese.

>>4999 Found a reddit thread about possible Indo-European influences in Korea and Japan. https://www.reddit.com/r/IndoEuropean/comments/evm4pj/indoeuropeansteppe_influences_in_japan/ >>4992 Note that these mummies were in the Tarim Basin, were Caucasian and was not a province of China until the Qing Dynasty conquered it. There's no implication that we were Han retard, it's the fact that Indo-Europeans expanded as far as East Asia, and had possible influence on Ancient Chinese culture.

>>4992 >We wuz Indians! "For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians. However, 20%–30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes. In contrast, for paternally inherited Y-chromosome variation each caste is more similar to Europeans than to Asians. Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank." "Collectively, all five datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more similar to Asians" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/ Let's not forget the point that Vedic civilization was founded by Sanskrit-speaking Indo-Europeans, a language related to Greek, Latin, Russian and the Germanic languages. Why are you trying to diminish our great White past? >We wuz Chinese! "we compared the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences of three populations that lived in the same location, Linzi, China, in different periods: 2,500 years ago (the Spring-Autumn era), 2,000 years ago (the Han era), and the present day. Two indices were used to compare the genetic differences: the frequency distributions of the radiating haplotype groups and the genetic distances among the populations. The results indicate that the genetic backgrounds of the three populations are distinct from each other. Inconsistent with the geographical distribution, the 2,500-year-old Linzi population showed greater genetic similarity to present-day European populations than to present-day east Asian populations. The 2, 000-year-old Linzi population had features that were intermediate between the present-day European/2,500-year-old Linzi populations and the present-day east Asian populations. These relationships suggest the occurrence of drastic spatiotemporal changes in the genetic structure of Chinese people during the past 2,500 years." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10958855/

>>4992 >We wuz Egyptians! We wuz Indians! We wuz Chinese! Except we fucking were, retard. Even basic ancient history collaborates this. Look up Indo-Scythians and Tocharians.

Check this out - >>5167 - Carthaginians were literally Semites, but why did they look so White?

>>5169 It gives me the impression that they're simply aryans who spoke a different language

>>5180 Highly possible. Unfortunately I was unable to find any descriptions of Hannibal or anyone close to him, but I think that the coins and statues are telling enough. The only possible 'cope' I could think of for anyone wanting to describe these people as being the same Semites / Arabs who live in Tunisia today is to say that the Carthaginians were copying off of the Greek style and making their statues and coins look like Greeks. This isn't satisfying to me, because people aren't going to depict themselves as what their note. Occam's razor would suggest that they really looked something like that. And needless to say though Indo-European languages are closely tied to White people, language isn't tied to genetics. I will have to spend a bit more time looking at the coins of ancient peoples that we have and seeing if we can learn anything interesting.

>>5001 There were divergent results regarding the Linzi DNA, and morphological studies of the skulls are inconsistent with european features http://www.ivpp.cas.cn/cbw/rlxxb/xbwzxz/201203/P020120321548021521705.pdf

>>5250 We can't read chinkoid, retard. Also trusting China is low IQ, because the chinks are known for lying and really didn't want it known that White people brought origin to some of their culture. When an international team of scientists found that there were Caucasian mummies with blonde and red hair within the the pyramids, further investigation and research was prohibited and now it is forbidden for non-bugmen from reporting the case of the Tocharian mummies. You're retarded and didn't even make an attempt to prove him wrong, only took a PDF that you don't understand yourself and unironically believed the chinks when they are known for lying for their supposed innovations and the first mummies were clear as day were Caucasian and not Asian.

>>2542 Another good infograph sourcing the ahadith on the White features of Muhammad. It's certainly interesting. On a side note I always found it interesting how Savitri Devi referred to Muhammad as a fellow 'man against time' in her 'The Lightning and the Sun' if I am recalling correctly.

>>2542 >>7210 Anons, by your logic, do you consider Jews to be White too?

>>7258 Of course Jews are not White. The only reason why some people falsely think that Jews are White is because Jews moved into Europe and mixed with gentiles to an extent, Whitening their skin but not hiding their ratlike features from the discerning eye. If Jews had stayed where they were in Palestine since the dawn of time they would probably look like the Arabs who live in surrounding areas today. What’s interesting about Muhammad is that he lived among these brown people in Arabia and was apparently pale enough where it was remarked upon in the narrations repeatedly. That certain raises eyebrows, as do the reports of a blue-eyed, red-haired Genghis Khan. Now what there is no proof of is that Muhammad was an Aryan. Genghis Khan might have a connection with Scythians and other Aryan groups that lived in Western China, but I am not aware of anything similar with Muhammad. Aryan or not, there seems to be a general trend around the world that it was much Whiter in the past and has gradually been browned over the course of history, and in some areas out of nowhere are born exceptional men of White color. A sort of atavistic appearance of what may have been dominant in the distant past.

>>3575 I totally agree

>>7266 You have to remember that horses were domesticated 6000 years ago by Aryan people, this gave them a mobility advantage over other ethnic groups for a long time, until they too learned to use horses. On top of that the slave trade from Sub-Saharan Africa didn't exist in the same dimension as it would during the Middle Ages and Niggers were mostly kept in Sub-Saharan Africa by the desert. Add to that the lower human population and it's just logical that North Africa and Eurasia was populated by mostly light colored racial groups, as they were naturally evolved groups that adapted to their climate, with the only big migration waves coming from White steppe nomads. Hell even Africa was mostly populated by San people and not the Bantu Niggers that raped and pillaged Africa during the Middle and early Modern Ages. Ancient Egypt is a good example. The native ancient Egyptians saw themselves as a red race and know of other races that were White, yellowish and black. Ancient Egypt was successful invaded a number of times and the first one was the Hyksos. The Hyksos were a mixture of different ethnic groups, but they are known to have brought horses and chariots to Ancient Egypt. To the Hyksos belongs an ethnic groups called the Hurrians and we know that the hurrian Kingdom of Mitanni(today Syria) had an indo-aryan ruling class. Mitanni itself was later conquered by the indo-aryan speaking Hittites Empire from Anatolia. Later in their history, the Egyptian were invaded by the Libyans, the Assyrians, the Achaemenid Persians, the Macedonians and the Romans, but only a single time by the black Nubians.

>>2545 Any possibility of blue-eyed Buddhas being an anachronism resulting from a post Greco-Bactrian world?

>>8068 I'm not sure. It's certainly possible that Siddhartha Gautama was a blue-eyed man. For one, this is a traditional trait of the Buddha, though it must be kept in mind that other traits ascribed to him in the same category are very odd (such as a 'Well-retracted male organ' and 'Toes and fingers finely webbed'). That said though, the Shakya people that the Buddha came from among have been connected by many with the Scythians, who were well known for features such as blue eyes and red hair, and there were many, many people out in the East in the area around India and Western China two millennia ago with those features, and one can find reports from Chinese writers attesting to this (and think of people like Bodhidharma who is described too as the 'Blue-Eyed Barbarian, and pre-dates Alexander the Great and his conquests, or the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom).

>>8068 Not sure, but like >>8070 said, those features were common. Boddhidharma, who like anon said was also called: The Blue-eyed Barbarian or The Blue-eyed Devil, lived in China and had blue eyed and a red beard. According to Chinese sources he was either the son of a south Indian king or Persian. And he's always depicted with non-asian eyes.

>>5250 I don't know why you posted this, because the researchers before were an international team who confirmed that they were indeed Caucasian Europeans. For this study that you obviously did not read yourself and probably did not understood a lick of what it said was done by a field of Chinese scientists only. Reminder that the CCP were the same bugmen who didn't want anyone but themselves to handle the study and research of the mummies. Now we have retards like yourself who will believe paper for your own personal agendas like a moron.

>>8123 It really is telling how much the second paper is damage control. The first paper, like you mention indirectly, is a mixture of Chinese and Japanese scientists. I'm unable to tell where exactly the Chinese ones are from, but I imagine given the track record of China with regards to other evidence of White people there in the past, these are likely people from Taiwan or elsewhere. Authors of the first study: >Li Wang >Hiroki Oota >Naruya Saitou >Feng Jin >Takayuki Matsushita >Shintaroh Ueda https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12362832_Genetic_Structure_of_a_2500-Year-Old_Human_Population_in_China_and_Its_Spatiotemporal_Changes Authors of the damage control study: >Yong-Gang Yao >Qing-Peng Kong >Xiao-Yong Man >Hans-Jürgen Bandelt >Ya-Ping Zhang https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10889155_Reconstructing_the_evolutionary_history_of_China_a_caveat_about_inferences_drawn_from_ancient_DNA All of the Chinks here are affiliated with PRC universities, meanwhile the Japanese researchers above really have no motive to say that Causasian people lived in parts of China in the past. Even if one were to say that it is mere nationalistic attempts to delegitimize the Han foundations of China, we already know from many other kinds of data that Chinese civilization was not founded by the people who are called Chinese today, as is shown in this thread

Does anyone have possible connections of the Indo-Europeans, Korea, Taiwan and Japan other than what >>5000 had sourced? I also saw something from Robert Sepehr about blue-eye gods within Chinese folklore. >>>5169 I think it was said that the Queen who brought birth to Carthage was blond. >>8128 Sounds like Taiwan and Japan are very honorary, while the Koreans and Chinese only have some who are worthy of the title.

>>8501 For Taiwan I doubt there are any connections with Indo-Europeans. Apparently the aboriginal population of Taiwan has been there for over six millennia, and they themselves are almost indistinguishable from Chinks, and traditionally speak Austronesian languages just like people do in the Philippines, Hawaii and in Indonesia. I'd of course be interested if anyone knew anything.

>>8128 That reminds me of these guys making a case about Genghis Khan being White. https://www.radioalbion.com/2021/03/the-daily-nationalist-genghis-khan-was.html

>>8501 >Connections with China http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp167_old_chinese_proto_indo_european.pdf All I have is a pdf I found that shows a connection with a couple of words that may have been borrowed from the Indo-Europeans. But I think I did see something about a Southern Chinese tribe or at least somewhere South of China that had people with blonde and red hair with blue-eyes. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of the tribe and do not have any sources, but you can try your best to find it, because all I remember is that it had a name that started with a H. >>8511 The jew/libshit will always kvetch when it is revealed that Aryans are a powerful people. We already have accounts from a Persian writer that described the Khan family and their physical appearances, so this is just a chimp-out that he wasn't a gook.

>>8501 For China, we have information from Pliny on how there were Europeans in a place called Serica. >>Serica (/ˈsɛrɪkə/) was one of the easternmost countries of Asia known to the Ancient Greek and Roman geographers. It is generally taken as referring to North China during its Zhou, Qin, and Han dynasties, as it was reached via the overland Silk Road in contrast to the Sinae, who were reached via the maritime routes. >>These people, they said, exceeded the ordinary human height, had flaxen hair, and blue eyes, and made an uncouth sort of noise by way of talking, having no language of their own for the purpose of communicating their thoughts. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin.+Nat.+6.24 I don't know much about Taiwan, except that they are a combination of aboriginals and Chinese. The blue-eyed gods and more info on Japan you mentioned are still things I haven't found yet.

For the sake of collecting a lot of material in one thread here is another post from the paganism thread on descriptions of the Greek gods. This is of course interesting because of the second pic attached. >>8551 I'm wondering if the blue-eyed god thing of Japan might just be a garbled transmission of info about descriptions of the Buddha, or of Bodhisattvas, or figures like Bodhidharma. While they are not gods really, I see how the error could be made by outside observers.

>>8551 Continuing possible evidence of Europeans in China, the Wusun are said to be a people with distinct features from common Hans. >>According to Yan Shigu’s 顏師古 commentary on the Hanshu, ch. 96A “Among the various Rong in the Western Regions, the Wusun’s shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have blue eyes and red hair, and are like a macaque, belonged to the same race as the Wusun.” >Initially, when only a few number of skulls from Wusun territory were known, the Wusun were recognized as a Caucasoid people with slight Mongoloid admixture.Later, in a more thorough study by Soviet archaeologists of eighty-seven skulls of Zhetysu, the six skulls of the Wusun period were determined to be purely Caucasoid or close to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun Then we have the Yellow Emperor who is rumored to be blonde. >In characteristic open-mindedness and provocative radicalism, Mengzi [Mencius] 孟子 cheerfully asserts that quite a few of the Chinese sages, such as Shun 舜 and King Wen 文王, were not even ethnically "Chinese": >Shun... was one of the foreigners in the east [of the northern "Chinese" heartland] and King Wen... was one of the foreigners in the west [of the northern "Chinese" heartland]. 舜...東夷之人也。文王...西夷之人也。... >Already the Han dynasty commenter ... Zhao Qi, explains the scandal away by simply saying that the place where Shun was born was in the lands of the eastern foreigners, and that therefore when Mengzi says that Shun is one of them he actually only says that he is a "Chinese" who happened to be born there; the same claim is made for King Wen, whose place was a bona fide Zhou place but "close" to the Western foreigners. https://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_quotations/2011/11/was-the-yellow-emperor-huangdi-a-blond-hmm.html >>8553 >I'm wondering if the blue-eyed god thing of Japan Never heard of blue-eyed gods in Japan. >While they are not gods really, I see how the error could be made by outside observers. Well Buddha and his teaching has been corrupted by discples and sent over to various nations that are not Aryan, so it only makes sense that they would worship a great teacher as god, because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity.

>>8554 Forgot Sino-Platonic pdf for various Chinese accounts of Western barbarians in China.

On the topic of Serica, Pliny the Elder mentions them under the name Seres in his 'The Natural History'. Their capitol Sera, according to the footnotes, has been identified variously with Singan (Sian or Xi'an in modern orthography) or even with Beijing. <The first people that are known of here are the Seres, so famous for the wool that is found in their forests.5 After steeping it in water, they comb off a White down that adheres to the leaves; and then to the females of our part of the world they give the twofold task of unravelling their textures, and of weaving the threads afresh. So manifold is the labour, and so distant are the regions which are thus ransacked to supply a dress through which our ladies may in public display their charms. The Seres are of inoffensive manners, but, bearing a strong resemblance therein to all savage nations, they shun all intercourse with the rest of mankind, and await the approach of those who wish to traffic with them. The one footnote: <The people of Serica, which country with Ptolemy corresponds to the north-western part of China, and the adjacent portions of Tibet and Chinese Tartary. The capital, Sera, is by most supposed to be Singan, on the Hoang-ho, but by some Peking. Pliny evidently refers to the same people, and has some notion of the locality of their country. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D6%3Achapter%3D20

Does anyone have the sources of Aulus Gellius mentioning about something on how the Romans and Greeks both having blue or grey eyes?

>>8554 >because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity How is this bad? Controlling the inferior races ain't a bad blueprint.

>>9635 >>8554 >because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity I'd be more willing to listen to a divinity than some average Joe on the street, so I don't blame them

>>9626 I just looked through the work and I can't find any mention of blue or green eyes in this work. Here is every mention of the term 'eyes" in the work Attic Nights: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?target=en&all_words=eyes&all_words_expand=on&phrase=&any_words=&exclude_words=&documents=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0072 If you look up 'blue' there is only two matches and none of them have anything to do with eyes.

>>9635 Gautama did not teach so he control the masses.... >>9643 >I'd be more willing to listen to a divinity than some average Joe on the street Gautama wasn't some average joe, he was an Aryan and wise teacher who taught only those who were of common blood on how to counter degeneracy and keep their minds and spirits pure. His teachings were about how Aryans could rise above divinity and become enlighten, no need of claiming to be divine was necessary and he specfically stated that he was not a god.

>>9644 >I just looked through the work and I can't find any mention of blue or green eyes in this work. Well, someone claimed that the Attic nights has a mention of how Gellius had a conversation with a Greek and how the both of them shared ancestors with blue-eyes.

Have you guys heard of the tartaria theory? How supposedly we had great architecture not too long ago, and every major city in the USA suffered a (((fire))) that destroyed all the beautiful architecture so they can replace it with soulless shit like wamart? https://youtu.be/Js8y-04VkYg

Probably old news, but has anyone else noticed that the "peace" symbol the kikes and their commie dreg useful idiots flaunt everywhere is the death rune encapsulated by a circle? My instincts tell me to interpret this as not only promoting complete White genocide under the misnomer/ doublespeak of "peace", but promoting the destruction of life itself and of all highly evolved being. Life is eternal struggle and as such peace can never truly be achieved. Thoughts?

>>9645 >His teachings were about how Aryans could rise above divinity and become enlighten, no need of claiming to be divine was necessary and he specfically stated that he was not a god. Very true. The Buddha was definitely higher than the gods. Just look at how two devas had to become to beg him to teach after he reached enlightenment. >>9647 I've heard of the mudflood and Tartaria theories, but I have admittedly not explored them in depth enough to make any definitive judgements. Especially about Tartaria. Aspects of mudflood might be based in truth. There are certainly many images that seem to attest that there is a lot going on under modern cities, and that things have been buried. One good example is Sacramento, which is apparently 8-25ft higher than it was in the 1860s when it was completely inundated by waters. There are all sorts of tunnels under the city that used to be literally the street level of the old city. You've probably seen similar pictures and footage from other cities around the world. It's very possible that the chronology of history is all misleading or shaped in the interests of the powers that be. Oftentimes it seems like our ability to pinpoint when exactly someone lived, and for how long, and exactly when some event took place seem dubious to me. In some cases (esp. in more recent times) we have actually dating, but the further back in time we go the more sketchy things become. There could be massive gaps for all we know, or stuff said to have happened very long ago could have happened only a few centuries ago for all we know. Most manuscripts from ancient times are a lot more recent than one would think too, but who knows how old the now non-existent originals were. It seems to me pretty clear that many of the cities in the US, Canada and elsewhere were turned into (((clean slates))) in order to put up these brutalist hellscapes. The guy in the video is spot on. >>9648 Yes, it is absolutely a death rune as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe the alternate explanation about flag semaphores or whatever. It's a little too much of a coincidence for me. Our enemies love symbolism. If one is familiar with what to look for they will see it literally everywhere.

>>9647 If you get this idea because you watched a Jon Levi video forget it. The tartaria narrative is being pushed by some blatant disinfo shills

>>9650 What would they be trying to distract from?

>>9653 From things in our history that actually have been obfuscated. I mention Jon Levi in particular because his channel is pushing this tartaria narrative and has 120k subscribers. His videos primarily revolve around him looking at black and White photographs from the 1800s and feigning disbelief at the architecture and peddling the idea that Europeans did not construct any of the buildings or infrastructure on the continent and instead inherited it after a "great reset". He obscures any hidden history around the civil war by straight up denying that it took place. They take a small bit of truth regarding the likely occurrence of cyclical cataclysmic events on our planet and turn it in to >we don't know anything and the evil controllers are ruling over us and we can't do anything about it until we dismiss our entire history The man is trying to erase the history of NA in a way that isn't dissimilar to the progressive left, just he approaches it from a different angle. There are a few others like him in that youtube niche that push the same consensus.

>>9685 Hmm, yeah I could see how this could be a form of purposeful disinfo when you put it that way, not that there might not be, like you said, a grain of truth here and there. I have a feeling that the past might be distorted to an extent, especially when we look far back, but I feel like it is mostly correct in broad outlines.. The elite are powerful, but not omnipotent at all even with all of the technology that they have today.

>>9685 Fucking piece of shit inbred jew rat appropriator needs to be hung from a lamp post at best. I'm so god damn sick of the lies and semetic thievery.

>>9685 >Jon Levi I watched literally a minute of one of these guys videos just now and he was claiming that some piece of artwork may actual be an old type of photograph from the past civilization top kek, give me a break. I won't even point out the obviously suspicious aspect of this man's nam For anyone who wants to see what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvz8GxjCGKM

>>5169 I don't think the Carthaginians were actually Semites. This could be modern historians conflating things and making stuff up to we wuz more credit to Levantine cuckolds. It's the same case with how they claim that the language of the Greeks were firstly Phoenician and their first writings were Semitic. Some historians take some quotes from the bible as historical facts and others may take it as a way to understand them due to the lack of evidence of their existence and culture. It's funny how they are more reluctant to trust the Abrahamic texts over Greek accounts of history and European mythology.

>>9778 There was some discussion on this in the Aryan science thread that was interesting, namely on the fact that the current chronology pushed by the mainstream academics and historians is a close mirror of the general Abrahamic historical scheme with a recent origin of civilization, the Middle Eastern origin of said civilization and a general dominance of Semites in world history above in terms of religion, culture, etc. Extremely suspicious. These people surely realize that accepting aspects of Greek sources (not to mention others) would completely wreck their neat little Judeo-Christian historical model. A good example of this is Zoroaster. Modern historians say he lived probably in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE. The Greeks were extremely clear though that Zoroaster lived long before their time. Xanthos of Lydia said that Zoroaster lived 6,000 years before Xerxes’ crossing of the Hellespont in 480 BCE, putting him back into ~6480 BCE and even pre-Kali Yuga. This same claim is repeated by Alcibiades, Eudoxos of Knidos, and Aristotle. Plato’s disciple Hermodoros mentions that Zoroaster lived 5,000 years before the Trojan war, which was then dated to 1,000 years before Plato. If Plato was born 428 BCE, the Trojan War would then be ~1428 BCE, and Zoroaster again living at ~6428 BCE, which is essentially identical with the earlier sources. Phoenecians were definitely Whites speaking a Semitic language.

>>9782 If what Cremo said was true about archeology being hidden and purposely destroyed, then I guess this only proves that modern history is a part of the (((great reset))). >>9783 I'm not watching this. Either explain the video or delete your post and go away.

>>9784 Cremo’s stuff is an extremely interesting read. I own an abridged copy of Thompson’s and his book ‘Forbidden Archeology’ but I haven’t read it yet. I recently finished his ‘Human Devolution’ about a month ago where he summarizes a lot of the major findings in depth and I’ve gotta say if even a fraction of it is true there is a *major* cover up going on for one reason or another. He doesn’t put it in this type of conspiratorial terms, but it’s the natural conclusion to make, obviously. There is just loads and loads of things from the 19th century and even into the 20th that are completely anomalous and would demolish this Judeo-Christian chronological bias if accepted, it’s insane. In reading another book where he contributed a few chapters he was saying that when he was taking part in a documentary special for NBC that the museums they contacted to see some of the artifacts in question just completely refused to even let them see them or to have them shown them on camera (of course not denying they exist). This is akin to what the Chinese are doing with the red-haired mummies in the Tarim basin to like the tenth degree. The Jews don’t care much about recent history, but when it gets to around 6,000 years ago (for obvious reasons) everything immediately becomes distorted and completely denied. It’s insane

can you anons give me an explanation of radiocarbon isotopes and the problems with it.

>>9832 Carbon dating is largely a meme. One must remember that carbon dating is only 'accurate' out to around 50,000 years ago. The accuracy of this dating method also crucially relies on the assumption that the amount of the carbon-14 in the atmosphere has been constant, and that the decay rate into nitrogen proceeds constantly. There are numerous examples of modern mollusk shells that can be dated to be thousands of years old, freshly killed animals having calculated ages of over a millenium, among other things. It is also well known that over the past 60 plus years atmospheric radiocarbon levels have almost doubled due to above-ground nuclear weapons testing. Who knows what effects this has had on the accuracy of some measurements, if any. It has also been theorized that there is in general a fluctuation of the amount of carbon 14 in the atmospehre over time due to changes in the Earth's magnetic field, which would change the deflection of cosmic ray particles streaming towards Earth from the sun. The general theory is that carbon-14 is thought to be mainly a product of bombardment of the atmosphere by cosmic rays, so if the intensity varies over time, this would also affect the amount of carbon 14 in the environment at a given time, and thus effect datings. But even if it's perfect it only works out to 50,000 years and scientists readily admit this.

>>9786 >I recently finished his ‘Human Devolution’ about a month ago where he summarizes a lot of the major findings in depth and I’ve gotta say if even a fraction of it is true there is a *major* cover up going on for one reason or another. He doesn’t put it in this type of conspiratorial terms, but it’s the natural conclusion to make, obviously. ​ They couldn't make it more obvious concerning the facts that they want to make mainstream science out to be a religion, destroyed hundreds of bones that proved that giants existed and that modern humans have lived on Earth for millions of years, and the many archeological sites of tombs and artifacts being censored from the public and independent researchers. Even the idea that all animals and plants are unconscious or non-living ultimately originated from the Abrahamic central texts. Every other religion contains beliefs that all of nature were just as conscious and living as much as we humans are. Almost every scientific research is supporting the Torah and bible perspective, while denouncing non-Judaic mythology as fictional. The kikes couldn't have their heads on a spike sooner enough.

>>9879 Giants are an extremely interesting topic. Since you're aware of the stuff around them I'm sure you know some of this, but if one goes to a site like JSTOR to scroll through really old academic journals from like 1860 to 1890, there really are a lot of reports that pop up time to time in places like the Scientific American that report that giant bones have been found in various places, often like 8 to 13 feet tall if I am recalling correctly. And then it just completely stops at some point. If anyone is interested I can post the examples I've found here later. One can say they are all 'hoaxes' but the sheer amount of reports of this stuff is puzzling to say the least. The 19th century is really the turning point though when the Jews really began to consolidate open control. Though they had extensive financial power even prior to the mid 19th century, it was around this time that they were actually 'liberated' and made equal citizens under the law in many European countries. With this final hurdle gone, the Jews were free to emerge from the shadows and assume direct control. > Even the idea that all animals and plants are unconscious or non-living ultimately originated from the Abrahamic central texts. I have unironically heard Christfags tell me this shit even in recent months in real life. It is completely beyond me how one could believe this. I can sometimes get them to concede on animals like dogs or cats, but they are very hostile to the idea of insects or plants have consciousness. They are typically stunned when I tell them I believe this, even after I show them some of the extremely interesting evidence for this (though really it is silly that this needs proof at all, much like how some materialists today will even demand proof of human consciousness unironically. Our ancestors needed no proof, it was obvious). Needless to say this was a frequent area of criticism brought up by people like Celsus against the Abrahamists.

>>9890 >If anyone is interested I can post the examples I've found here later. Go ahead, many of these giants were said to be blond or red-haired and possibly Nordic looking anyway. They're likely Whites as well, so it would still be related to the subject of the thread. If anything I would say that these giants aren't hoaxes, but are a threat to the Judaic lie of human history. >I have unironically heard Christfags tell me this shit even in recent months in real life. It is completely beyond me how one could believe this. I can sometimes get them to concede on animals like dogs or cats, but they are very hostile to the idea of insects or plants have consciousness. They are typically stunned when I tell them I believe this, even after I show them some of the extremely interesting evidence for this (though really it is silly that this needs proof at all, much like how some materialists today will even demand proof of human consciousness unironically. It is not surprising that Christfags are just dumb and will always expose themselves as the type of cattle that the jew can easily control. The Abrahamists never think of what their ancient ancestors believed in, nor take a long observation of nature and think to themselves if it could ever be possible that every other being on our planet is actually dead and cannot have a consciousness. This is all, because of one stupid book that claims to contain all knowledge of the world and to being the gateway to heaven, even though the jews have plagiarized works and ideas from Ancient Greece, Rome, Mesopotamians and the Indo-Aryans.

>>9894 I don't know much about physics or biology but wouldn't giant humans violate the square cube law? I'm not sure were they would find enough sustenance either, especially at larger populations. The whole idea just seems impossible to me on so many levels. I don't think any other hominid has ever gotten that big, much less any human being.

>>9895 >I don't know much about physics or biology but wouldn't giant humans violate the square cube law? I don't think so, we see that there are cases where some human beings can be overly gigantic and live for a good chunk of years and then there are people who are said to naturally tall (Paul Sturgess). Maybe the human body is more amazing than we assumed or there just may be certain genetic traits or something that allows humans to be overly tall.

I thought I had more evidence than this, but I will post it anyway. I can't vouch for the others in the first pic, but I have went in to the NYT archives and confirmed that the giant stories from there are legit. As one can see, these dates cluster from the 1880s to 1904, giving us over two decades of sporadic reports of giants. The second image is from August 14th, 1880 in the Scientific American. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26073521 The third image is from December 6th, 1856 in the Scientific American again. This one is worth including because it shows that they're not just being blindly credible in reporting, saying that it COULD be an elephant. https://www.jstor.org/stable/24949519 Many of these giants, as it will be seen, are discovered in burial mounds. Anyone who is an American will know that it is very illegal to dig into burial mounds today here, and that it is illegal to possess the bones and artifacts that come from these. Just look at the controversy around Kennewick Man from a while back. So we have all of these reports in the mid 19th century to the early 20th (and possibly beyond, I will be researching this more soon) which mention giant skeletons 8-12 feet tall being found in burial mounds, and then later all of these laws were slapped over to 'protect' Indian cultural artifacts and bones. The rabbit hole goes deeper though, perhaps far deeper, because myths of White giants are frequent among Native Americans all across the continent. This I will also be exploring more in depth, but this article has some intriguing pathways to start down on them: https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-White-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774 Though I do not know if they were giants or not, Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha, among others, are among the other aspects of the proof about ancient White presence in the New World. The real question is WHERE ARE THE BONES??? These things are either locked away or have been destroyed by the Smithsonian, or even more plausibly, given away to Injuns who are legally allowed to claim these bones and there is nothing people can do about it.

>>9894 >If anything I would say that these giants aren't hoaxes, but are a threat to the Judaic lie of human history. I agree. It is important to gather evidence that appears to counter their myth-making and to be able to sketch out a more accurate chronology that takes into account the ancient legends of the ancestors, the true distribution of White / Aryan peoples on this planet, and the reality of certain phenomena denied by current judeo-materialistic 'science'. >nor take a long observation of nature and think to themselves if it could ever be possible that every other being on our planet is actually dead and cannot have a consciousness (((Genesis))) has really done a number on them, to say the least. It is here with the question of consciousness that we see a conjunction of modern 'science' (or nescience more accurately) and the Judeo-Christian worldview. Jews of course believed that they are just soulless husks animated by Yahweh. For a time learned Christian theologians assimilated ideas such as Aristotle's theory of souls, and we can find many statements from pre-modern scientists talking about how Nature was akin to a living organism and that everything was ensouled though. Around the time of Galileo onwards, and especially with Descartes though, gradually more mechanistic ideas of Nature and reality in general gradually became dominate. Of course Descartes was a major Christcuck himself, and he was the one that said that humans alone have souls and that animals are literally just like complex, soulless meat-machines and nothing else. This was gradually prepping the way for this to be said about humans as well, if one really thinks about it. The solely mechanistic idea of Nature and science is really holding us back. In being rather successful in observing Nature from a solely objective point of view, man has completely forgotten about the subjective, which his scientific tools fail to understand. >>9895 >>9902 I would imagine that with even a slightly more robust or sturdy construction or thicker bones that there could be people slightly larger than even some of the 8-footers here. Some of these massive people had problems in walking, but others were just fine.

>>9894 >This is all, because of one stupid book that claims to contain all knowledge of the world and to being the gateway to heaven, even though the jews have plagiarized works and ideas from Ancient Greece, Rome, Mesopotamians and the Indo-Aryans. I always wondered, where jews take inspiration for judaism and kabbalah ? Isn't they just stole 90% of Buddhism/Paganism esoteric's and corrupted it with egalitarianism ?

>>9906 > It is important to gather evidence that appears to counter their myth-making and to be able to sketch out a more accurate chronology that takes into account the ancient legends of the ancestors, the true distribution of White / Aryan peoples on this planet, and the reality of certain phenomena denied by current judeo-materialistic 'science'. Yes, there's nothing the jew fear and hate anything else than destroying their faggy narratives that our ancestors were retarded compared to modernists, and that we've evolved from niggers. I would say that it should be a priority for fascist to find info that rids of our one-sided view of history. >Jews of course believed that they are just soulless husks animated by Yahweh. It's ironic for jews to think this lol. > For a time learned Christian theologians assimilated ideas such as Aristotle's theory of souls, and we can find many statements from pre-modern scientists talking about how Nature was akin to a living organism and that everything was ensouled though. It's even dumber that they missed or purposely ignored and rewritten Greek theories on how all living organism have souls and a consciousness. The reason why animals are like how they are is because, they aren't as knowledgeable as humans and the Zoroastrians acknowledged this to an extent, but biblecucks couldn't go into the woods or forests and observe life for a whole 1 year and come to conclusion that they were wrong. But maybe this is want their (((god))) wanted in the first place. > The solely mechanistic idea of Nature and science is really holding us back. In being rather successful in observing Nature from a solely objective point of view, man has completely forgotten about the subjective, which his scientific tools fail to understand. And things are only somewhat getting better where some scientists acknowledge nature's consciousness or continue to deny and "debook" that plants communicate similarly to humans. It is important that we National Socialists reaffirm nature and the truths that our ancestors knew long ago. >I would imagine that with even a slightly more robust or sturdy construction or thicker bones that there could be people slightly larger than even some of the 8-footers here. This is also a possibility. I don't think it's impossible for every creature to not become naturally be gigantic. >>9948 >I always wondered, where jews take inspiration for judaism and kabbalah ? Isn't they just stole 90% of Buddhism/Paganism esoteric's and corrupted it with egalitarianism ? I imagine that jews stole ideas from all cultures they've contacted with, because they acknowledge their truths and creation of high-cultures. We definitely can see that the jews stole or took inspiration from the Cannanites, Zoroastrians, Hellenics, and the Buddha himself. If weren't any more obvious that we have the Star of David which existed from the Israelis, Essene's interesting similarities with Dharmic monasticism, the takings of Hellenic philosophy and incorporating them into Judaic traditions, and stealing the Canaanites' architecture, financial practices, gods and rituals. I think they've stolen religions beliefs and culture of the Egyptians as well, but I do not remember and forgotten if there were any. But Judaism, Islam and Christianity have taken many ideas from other religions and claim them as their own.

>>9948 I'm thinking it's a genuine mixture of actual spiritual experiences from a few mystics here and there heavily interpreted through the lens of the Bible and many borrowings from Platonic philosophy, which we can see with the idea of everything emanating from the highest, almost unknownable Ein Sof, which is comparable to ideas of everything emanating from the One or the Good. I'm not sure how to interpret the ten sefirot, I guess this is mainly just about the various aspects or attributes of Ein Sof considered as lower emanations themselves. This might be an internal development, as are all sorts of things like gematria, mystical interpretations of the mitzvot / commandments and the like. Where Kabbalah really goes of the deep-end is of course with Isaac Luria and his Kabbalah, which puts the idea of the shattering of the vessels in the beginning and the re-integration or repair of the divine order through the process of Tikkun Olam at the forefront. Lurianic Kabbalah look on a life of its own with Shabbetai Zevi and Jacob Frank and their 'redemption through sin' ideas. Today the Kabbalistic doctrine Tikkun Olam has become the centerpoint of much of Jewish and progressive thought, as we have seen Obama and other US presidents, and many other Jews appeal to this idea, inextricably bound up with the myth of (((progress))) and 'repairing' the world. This might have its origins in Platonic ideas as well, which speak of a return to the origins for the soul, but Plato and Plotinus' stuff has nothing to do with the idea of progress, or repairing this temporal world, but transcending it. The sort of thing that Tikkun Olam is aiming for is a sort of returning to Nothingness. This might sound controversial or provocative, but many Kabbalists have taught that the first manifestation of Ein Sof is literally complete nothingness (ayin ha-gamur). God can only be described as nothingness according to this view since he is beyond all comprehension and language. Makes me think about what atheists are truly saying, or what the implications of the Big Bang theory are in light of Kabbalah... >David ben Abraham ha-Laban, a 14th-century kabbalist, says: >Nothingness (ayin) is more existent than all the being of the world. But since it is simple, and all simple things are complex compared with its simplicity, it is called ayin.[6] >Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi says: >AYIN means No-Thing. AYIN is beyond Existence, separate from any-thing. AYIN is Absolute Nothing. AYIN is not above or below. Neither is AYIN still or in motion. There is nowhere where AYIN is, for AYIN is not. AYIN is soundless, but neither is it silence. Nor is AYIN a void – and yet out of the zero of AYIN'S no-thingness comes the one of EIN SOF[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh Tikkun Olam = Death Conditioning

>>9951 >which existed from I meant existed way before the Israeli claimed it as theirs.

>>9951 >The reason why animals are like how they are is because, they aren't as knowledgeable as humans and the Zoroastrians acknowledged this to an extent, but biblecucks couldn't go into the woods or forests and observe life for a whole 1 year and come to conclusion that they were wrong. But maybe this is want their (((god))) wanted in the first place. I have sort of thought of the brain as a prism for consciousness that shapes and modulates its expression even though it's essentially the same principle at work in plants, animals, humans, etc. The body of a simple organism is much less complex and is not able to let consciousness permeate through to the same extent as it does in humans. They have less free will and more so blindly follow their instincts. >And things are only somewhat getting better where some scientists acknowledge nature's consciousness or continue to deny and "debook" that plants communicate similarly to humans. It is important that we National Socialists reaffirm nature and the truths that our ancestors knew long ago. Definitely. Some scientists and philosophers are gradually being forced to admit that the solely materialistic view of Nature is inadequate in the extreme when it comes to consciousness. Typically the first baby-step made here is panpsychism, which is essentially reductionistic materialism with an admittance of mind qualities. There are many issues with this theory, but I do not want to criticize it too much. Panpsychism was actually a theory that completely reshaped the way I looked at the world back when I was drowning in a mire of materialism. Above even this there have been modifications of this theory done by philosophers in recent years that present a holistic vision of this where there is one basic universal consciousness that through various means becomes fragmented into many different conscious subjects. Here we are really getting close to pantheism or ideas like Advaita Vedanta (in some respects). For a while I sat at this view before advancing further. I don't mean to blogfag too much, but it was really the question of consciousness that opened the entire door for me to actually embracing the sort of worldviews held by our ancient Aryan ancestors. A materialist can never understand how our ancestors thought and lived. Before all of this exploration by me I identified as a pagan, but I was never truly a pagan until I began to radically reshape my views on many of these topics. On the topic of plant consciousness in particular, this video is pretty interesting for any anons that have a little time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA28v3aSxpA It's a funny coincidence, because I scrolled down into the comments just now as I went to fetch this video. Sure enough there is a dumb Abrahamist in the comments who said "No, it's Nefesh" - i.e. it's the breath of (((Yahweh))) and nothing more in their view.

>>9955 Is it me or is Kabbala is just jews coming to terms with polytheism being real, and them just interpreting different divine entities as "emanations"?

>>9979 Here’s a short excerpt from the PDF in the thread on the esoteric motivations of the Jews. It sounds like a lot of pilpul to me, but not really polytheism like that of pre-Abrahamic European religions: >Most of the early kabbalists were more inclined to accept the view that the Sefirot were actually identical with God's substance or essence. [...]. According to this view, the Sefirot do not constitute "intermediary beings" but are God Himself. "The Emanation is the Divinity," while Ein-Sof cannot be subject to religious investigation, which can conceive of God only in His external aspect. The main part of the Zohar also tends largely toward this opinion, expressing it emphatically in the interchangeable identity of God with His Names or His Powers: "He is They, and They are He"(Zohar, 3:11b, 70a). In the latter stratum, however, [...] the Sefirot are seen not as the essence of God but only as vessels or tools: although they are indeed neither separated from Him nor situated outside Him like the tools of a human artisan, nevertheless they are no more than means and instruments which He uses in His work. Recanati states that most of the kabbalists of his time disagreed with this view. In the writings of Joseph Ashkenazi (Pseudo-Rabad) this theory is developed to the extreme where the Sefirot, being intermediaries, pray to God Himself and are actually unable to perceive the nature of their Emanator, a view which was first presented in the writings of Moses of Burgos and subsequently appeared in many kabbalistic works. Cordovero tried to re­concile these two opposing views and to accord a certain measure of truth to each one. Just as in all organic life the soul (the essence) cannot be distinguished from the body (the vessels) except in abstracto and in fact they cannot be separated at all when they are working together, so it may be said of God that He works, so to speak, as a living organism, and thus the Sefirot have two aspects, one as "essence," and the other as "vessels." Dominating this theosophic organism is a metabiological principle of measure and form called kav ha-middah (according to specific statements in the Zohar which use this term to express the nature of the activity of the first Sefirah). From this point of view the Sefirot are both identical with the essence of God and also separated from Him (see Pardes Rimmonim, ch. 4). In later Kabbalah this view became paramount. Now this isn’t even to touch on stuff like Metatron, who has been called “the lesser YHWH”, and all of the complex forms of angelology. Starts to sound a bit polytheistic here

I just spent a little bit digging through NYT archives. When does it stop being a coincidence?

>>10062 >>10061 There are articles I haven't even gone through yet. There are literally DOZENS of these articles, even into the 1940s

>>10063 >>10062 >>10061 Even more. I even have two PDFs of full-length articles but they won't let me post, it's probably some sort of weird setting the NYT puts on the PDF. I'll look at it later. I'm not even done digging though. I'm going deep now.

Sunscreen was used by ancient White Egyptians. The White Egyptians were known to use rice bran extracts, jasmine and lupine extracts as a sunscreen because they realized these ingredients had the ability to absorb the sun's very strong rays. These chemicals are still used today in some of the modern sunscreen products.

>>10075 Do you think this explains why some Egyptian nobles were described as reddish-skinned?

Going back to answering anon's question here >8501. I found this tweet that talks about the discovery of an unique Ancient Chinese city, Shimao that is said to predate Sino culture and civilization within China. >3. Such stone construction & carvings (L) had no parallel in any parts of China, but recall those produced by Indo-European Kurgan culture (R). In fact, the city is on the eastern edge of Eurasian steppe, which served as a highway between East Asia & Europe in the ancient times.. A possibility that city used to be Indo-European or inspired by Aryan cultures. Although do not take this tweet as fact, it's just a speculation and theories. Many of Shimao's artifiacts looks very similar to Mesoamerican culture. I'm also trying to find some other links with the claim that the findings of the skulls of some of China's ancients cities were "Europoid" aka Caucasian findings of its inhabitants, but that may take awhile as well. https://archive.is/0lIak

>>10108 Shimao being in Shaanxi is pretty significant, and would lend credibility to any Indo-European / Aryan hypothesis. From the research I’ve done and seen in this thread, Whites in China seemed to be situated around the area of modern Gansu and Xinjiang, and out to Shandong. Shaanxi fits right into this picture, which indicates White inhabitance of almost all of Northern China. I don’t think we have much on the South. It might have remained more Asiatic throughout history.

>>10094 Yes indeed and many mummies have blonde or red hair

>>9647 I don't doubt at least intentional neglect bringing down some of these buildings, but it's also important to remember that these cities grew quickly and were largely built out of wood and other flammable organic material. Rome in antiquity also had semi-frequent fire issues. The Chicago examples in particular don't make a strong case because they were specifically created as temporary buildings for the World's Fair. IIRC, the whole thing was designed and built in under three years.

>>10952 The Tartaria theory is based on the assertion that the Worlds Fairs were a total lie and were fabricated to explain the existence of these buildings. The Europeans in the Americas allegedly only discovered these buildings that had been left behind by a previous civilisation. The buildings were then destroyed to cover up the existence of a previous civilisation and to hide our "true" history. As I mention here >>9685 the idea is pushed by shills or just straight up idiots.

Is there any truth to the so-called Solutrean hypothesis or other theories of White colonization of the Americas prior to Colombus?

>>11033 It has been proven that the first Europeans to set foot in the American continent were Vikings, not Columbus. There was a settlement with obvious Viking characteristics discovered a few years ago, and it could only have been created before Columbus. The settlement was abandoned for some reason and it didn't thrive though. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-vikings-a-memorable-visit-to-america-98090935/

>>10774 You are completely missing the hook nose on that "mummy". Use your perception. Jews are doing what they have ALWAYS done, they poison and destroy. Look at all the statues of niggers in Egypt... You don't think they used niggers back then to destroy the original Egyptians and elevated them to worship levels to demoralize? Jews were not "slaves" in Egypt, they were the SLAVERS as they have always been. Those mummies with "red hair" are most likely the same kind of Ashkenazi cunts were are fighting today.

>>11081 >You are completely missing the hook nose on that "mummy". It's hard to tell exactly since it's so desiccated, but the question to me is whether that is a Jewish nose, or a Roman / aquiline nose. I am thinking that it might be the latter, since the Jews have always hated the Egyptians as ebil pagans and oppressors, too.

>>11086 The nose knows.

>>11081 I would agree with you on everything, but I do not think the mummy is a kike. The nose is actually not the best way to tell, there are many Whites that are non Jewish with larger noses or Roman noses. I believe the Jews did bring blacks into Egypt as slaves, just as they brought them to America, and yes it’s the same story over and over again from Babylon to Egypt to the USA

>>11081 https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=g8xd4Dz2VOk

>>11033 It's highly plausible, even if I'm not super well-read on the merits or lack thereof of the Solutrean hypothesis in particular. Just look into Kennewick Man - that is the perfect example of the type of kikery that is going on in the study of the ancient world and its inhabitants. Initial analysis of the bones showed that he was related more closely to Europeans than to the Indians we're familiar with today. One can tell just by looking at Kennewick Man's skull and comparing it with that of Europeans, and that of other races. It's not an Amerindian skull. Tribes instantly began to chimp out though, and demanded that these bones not be worshiped at all and that they should be giving back to the Indians. This is the same problem that was discussed earlier ITT with the question of giant humans and Indian burial mounds. They wanted to invoke the federal law requires certain Native American artifacts and remains to be handed over to culturally affiliated tribes or provable descendants. When we combine this with the fact that it appears that many tribes in the New World were visited by White 'gods' who taught them the rudiments of higher civilization (Quetzalcoatl, Viracocha, etc), it seems like Whites might have been interacting with the New World for a very, very long time, far longer than we are led to believe today by agenda-driven archeologists. If we take into account some of the archeological evidence that seems to indicate that humans existed much longer in that part of the world than we are led to believe, than it becomes an even more interesting picture (Hueyatlaco site, etc)

>>11033 There's evidence to support it, though nothing conclusive like a Solutrean skeleton to compare DNA to. Some of the more interesting evidence includes genetic markers most present in Eastern American Indian tribes, Europe, and the Levant being entirely absent from Asia, as well as sites in the Eastern US and Brazil (Toca da Tira Peia) seriously challenging the conventional timeline for crossing the Bering Land Bridge. There are also some distinct similarities with Solutrean and Clovis tools. Piggybacking off of >>11094, some tribes have stories of fighting red haired giants. I also find it plausible that The Bighorn Medicine Wheel (which no tribe has claimed to have made) has the same root as the dharmachakra, though that's not necessarily Solutrean related.

>>11137 >I also find it plausible that The Bighorn Medicine Wheel (which no tribe has claimed to have made) has the same root as the dharmachakra Interestingly the Sioux people, who live in Wyoming where that wheel is, and in other surrounding states, have another similarity with concepts in Vedic / Dharmic religion. Particularly among the Sioux subgroup of the Lakota, the legs of the buffalo symbolize the four ages. Every year the buffalo is said to lose one hair, and with every age, another leg, with the last age there only being a single leg left, after which it repeate again. This is identical to the representation used in Vedic / Dharmic religion of the cow. The four-legged cow symbolizes Satya Yuga, and with each age it loses a leg, until it only has one in the Kali Yuga. Could be a coincidence, but it is also possible that there is some doctrine and common sets of symbols like the wheel of Dharma, and this buffalo / cow symbolism, that have been passed down from the ancient past that most of humanity (particularly Aryan humanity) once came to know.

The Aryan Invasion / Migration? Did it happen? There is apparently some evidence that several rivers mentioned in the Rigveda would push back the date of the work significantly. The invasion / migration is alleged to have happened ~1,500 BCE but several of the rivers mentioned and identified are said to have dried up in ~1,900 BCE and ~2,500 BCE, respectively, and the astronomical references in the Rigveda are apparently of a significantly older date if accurate than what scholars have theorized. Could the people of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa have been White? Especially in light of an apparent cultural continuity between this civilization and that of later Vedic civilization? It is also strange that such a migration or invasion is not in cultural memory in the same way Abraham's migration in the Bible. What we do see is a race war against dark-skinned people and the destruction of forts and cities. Could Aryans have been indigenous to this area, as well as Europe, the Iranian plateau, etc?

>>11206 I was just about to pose the same question. The more I read into the abnormal presence of ancient Aryans just about everywhere, the more I start to think that maybe there wasn't an "Aryan invasion", but perhaps it's instead the same story that's playing out today, and the one that has always been playing throughout all of our history. By that I mean that Whites were far more numerous and spanned a much larger area of the globe if not most of it, and we've been subjected to constant genocide & ethnic cleansing, resulting in us losing all of our former territory, our history, as well as pushing our numbers exceedingly close to extinction. I wish I knew what they know. Even though we've found some useful information, it's still just little snippets. They've pulled off a monumental cover-up of our history and it's likely that it'll be even less accessible to future generations, our kid's kids might genuinely believe that there were black genderqueer kings in Britain. I wonder what we did that was so bad to (((them))) that's made them want to completely eradicate us from history.

>>11766 You seem to be coming to a lot of conclusions that I feel like I am close to myself. There is a great deal of evidence from multiple independent sources in this thread that attest to a White presence in at least most of Eurasia. Personally I have not explored African legends at all yet, but at this point I would not be surprised if we were to see the same thing repeat as we have seen in this thread. And then in North America there are of course many legends of Whites bringing culture and learning to so-called Natives, then there is Kennewick man, the stories of White giants and similar legends among the Natives of North America, etc. The same theme pops up over and over again. It's never black, brown, yellow or green people coming to share knowledge and build civilization in legends, it's White people. The question is WHY? I think it's because it actually happened. It's been discussed in other threads that the Jews have even most-likely warped our understanding of chronology and human history to a great extent. Not that 'all of history is fake', but that there have been distortions and twistings, and that the narrative has been laid out that makes it suspiciously accord with the Judeo-Christian Middle-Eastern centric view of history and a recent birth of civilization. If this is not nipped in the bud, it would not surprise me if in the future people would truly believe nonsense such as 'black genderqueen kings' and the like. I wouldn't even be surprised if they tried to totally erase the exist of White people in total. The golems of the Jews don't gain anything by knowing history, they should just be consuming products and working for Mr. Shekelberg!

>>11766 >I wonder what we did that was so bad to (((them))) that's made them want to completely eradicate us from history. I don't think we did much. I think that we are fated to be at odds throughout all of history. In this eternal struggle, we are both given meaning. Without both, we would just live in a stagnant universe of only good or evil. As for what actually happened, some group of ancient Aryans probably tried to wipe them off the face of the earth, or maybe their desert god was just angry that neither he nor his covenant could actually create anything.

The Secret History - Underground Dungeons, Murder, Demonic Visions and the Death of the Roman Empire >Perhaps the most explosive insider historical account of significance ever written, Procopius' "The Secret History" claims to voice the untold story of the latter stages of Eastern Rome and it's swift degeneration, specifically under Justinian and Theodora. >This respected scholar and historian was no enemy of the Emperor and Empress - at least at the outset - and in fact was chosen by them to be the leading Byzantine court historian. He subsequently became the man responsible for documenting the Gothic wars, spearheaded by Eastern Rome's most famous and capable general of the day, Belisarius. >So explosive was the work, and so extreme were certain claims, that the entire work has been largely ignored - a serious mistake and injustice, in my view. >This video is a tribute to Procopius, his work, and all similar important histories quietly shuffled away or proactively hidden. One can't help but notice countless parallels with the collapse of Rome and our own degenerate, prideful, ignorant and forgetful age, and important related lessons.. let's not turn our heads. https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-secret-history-underground-dungeons,:e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PehCn_3kyw4

>>11871 Kek, off topic, but can't help but point out the even in ancient Rome, lusting over pre pubescent children was considered degenerate. Pedoanon and the "hurr durr use to be normal to marry 9-11 year olds" argument BTFO'd >Theodora was still too young to have intercourse with a man after the manner of women. But she satisfied the unnatural passions of certain wretches, even the vilest of slaves, who followed their masters to the theater and amused their leisure by this infamy. She remained for some time also in a brothel where she practiced the hateful form of vice -Procopius

>>11875 To contextualize your passage a bit more, two paragraphs earlier we learn of a man with three daughters, the oldest age seven. Theodora is the second oldest here, so younger than seven seemingly.

>>11876 It is not entirely clear, but I think you may be reading too much into what seems like a summary. I doubt the mother got remarried the day after the father had died. Also the previous paragraph reads "When these children reached the age of girlhood, their mother put them on the local stage" (assume he means the eldest has reached puberty but not Thedora as she is "still too young to know normal relations with a man") Clearly some time, perhaps years, has passed since the fathers death. Regardless it is clear he considers it vile for a prepubescent girl to be engaged in sex acts.

>>11885 Theodora*

>>2541 We know the origins of the White race, and we know it because of genetics, which is not hidden at all. Lemuria, atlantis, hyperborea is not where White people come from. White people are a mixture of ancient north eurasian, western hunter gatherer, caucasian hunter gatherer, and neolithic farmer mixtures that happened thousands of years ago. It's not a secret! You only say genetics might play a small supplementary part in this topic because you don't like the evidence that genetics gives, because it goes against a fantastical idea of our origins which you wish happened. And you also say it might play a small part in the thread because you like only some of the evidence that goes along with your incorrect view of history.

>>11892 Your bait is a failure.

>>11871 I'm glad that Asha covered this and educated many others on what happened during Justinian's regime. I already knew about Procopius' work and how it contain many things that were not covered by modern historian. When I first read his book I was so surprised at how his recordings contained parallels that we see wrong with today's civilizations. Justinian is the one of the most overrated emperor and whoredora is an example of why you should never put women like herself in power, unless you want to speed-run your nation into collapse. It's funny how right-cucks and christcucks are not willing to do any further research of their favorite saints and rulers outside of skimming through Wikipedia.

>>11892 >genetics We have already been over this dozens of times. There is absolutely zero reason to trust what scientists are saying here. Go back to your blog, Thuletide.

>>11907 This is not Thuletide, but some other troll. Thule belives in Hyperbroea and Altantis.

I'm a bit late on this topic so I have to ask; We've seen and heard about the presence of Whites in the Western part of that big lump of land modernly called China, but has anyone here talked about the group that lived in the Eastern tip of it, close to the shore and thus not too far from the top of Japan's territory? I remember this point was dealt with in an old thread on the former board but unfortunately I can't find it.

>>11913 Skim through the archive you might find something. https://archive.is/zdoWv We had talks of Whites being in Shangdong China. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t351070/ >The Linzi(Zibo) population of 500 B.C genetically match up to present-day European populations. >The Current Day population in Zibo are genetically closest to the Mongols, Japanese, and Koreans. >Shandong Province, Linzi was in Central Shandong. >The 2,500-year-old Linzi population clusters with the present-day European populations: Icelander, German, Finnish,Welsh, and Portuguese. Oddly, no Russians. and refer to here >>8554 and >>5250

>>11914 Forgot >>10108

>>11911 >Thule belives in Hyperbroea and Altantis. Do you know of any articles he wrote on this? The search function on his blog did not deliver any results on this.

>>11918 He used to talk about it a-lot on his Twitter I think before he started following STJ around. His old accounts got deleted which contained some posts and reposts referring to both Hyperborea and Altantis. I think he still believes and talks about them, but most of his attention is on DNA talks of our origins.

>>11921 > I think before he started following STJ around Many such cases!

>>11918 Also this is the only article I know of that refers to Hyperborea. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/new-pdf-on-the-dark-age-by-julius-evola/

I think Thule is in the process of basing himself up and closing the gap. Overall his content is quite good despite a very few slips. >>11914 That's it's many thanks! You're most excellent. We need to talk about this one for what it implies regarding the technology, myths and philosophy that emerged in that region and a bit beyond it during those ages.>>11914

>>11907 >There is absolutely zero reason to trust what scientists are saying here Science isn't a democracy, some scientists are right, some are wrong, some are right about many things and some are wrong about a few. But, the scientific method has been the best way about discovering things of our world, it has been proven time and time again. Do not be foolish, and actually learn the theories and the evidence for them, rather than believing in whatever serves your own ego, like a nigger.

>>11928 If I have no way to trust the veracity of their claims, I have little reason to believe them. The scientific method is a woefully limited way to seek truth, and is not the only way to do so.

>>11925 >We need to talk about this one for what it implies regarding the technology, myths and philosophy that emerged in that region and a bit beyond it during those ages I would enjoy this as well. I personally believe that both Japan and China have been civilizations of both Sino and Indo-European influences. Japan seems to be closer to being that of the case, considering they talk and speak like Aryans. >>11928 Go be an attentionwhore elsewhere.

>>11930 These reddit tier memes are embarrassing. We're being invaded.

>>11933 >Tor-fagging This is getting pathetic now.

>>11933 Says the fag who just hopped on Tor

>>11932 >Go be an attentionwhore elsewhere. Yet his point is correct. No all scientists are academics on ZOG's payroll. Hitler had great faith in science. I don't think anons here would be supportive of (((zionce))) though. >>11935 Geez, please calm down, I am the one who asked for the old data and thanked you. I find these "soy" memes repulsive and contrary to right wing memes, not particularly well thought out.

>>11936 >torposter hates torposter for being a torposter Right.

>>11928 >Science isn't a democracy Science today only validates and reinforces democracy and its ethos. Science is not wholly objective, especially when kikes, niggers and women are controling it. >some scientists are right, some are wrong, some are right about many things and some are wrong about a few. And scientists are wrong about our origins and are lying. Out Of Africa is nonsense and despite it being debunked, our labcoats today still insists it is scientific and correct. You're not making a point here, just proving that you are here to shit up this thread for no reason. >>11937 >Yet his Lol dude cut the shit you're a nigger for trying.

>>11938 I've been consistently on Tor, you're the one who jumped on to support your other ID

>>11930 How is it a limited way to seek truth

>>11937 >Yet his point is correct You mean you think your point is correct. Because he's not making a point and nothing hr says is true. Most of the people handling the DNA tests are confirmed to be shitlibs and jews.

>>11939 >Science today only validates and reinforces democracy and its ethos. Not all science. What's so hard to understand here? Or am I missing a terrible attempt at derailing the thread? >>11939 >Lol dude cut the shit you're a nigger for trying. What the... what's your point? >>11940 >I've been consistently on Tor, you're the one who jumped on to support your other ID How do you know that for sure? Quit the paranoia. If you have a problem with the other anon's claim, just blast it with arguments, that would seem fair between us, right?

>>11942 On this specific point, that is, private DNA testing, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure all the labs in the world involved in DNA sequencing are part of the cabal. One quick example: The team that sampled Tutankhamun's genotype, which proved he was of European descent, but which Zahi Hawass tried to censor, were not trying to jew us. Same with all those scientists who looked into the haplogroups and provided data supportive of our cause. >>11945 >Most science today is controlled by liberals, moron. Good, you went from "science today only validates... democracy" to "most science." We're getting somewhere. >Because you are the only shill here within this thread defending (((DNA tests))) with a (1) and torfag. I objected to a claim about the entirety of science. >>11945 >>11948 >Exact same message, literally two different IPs. >screencap, just in case Gotcha.

>>11939 > just proving that you are here to shit up this thread for no reason the fuck is wrong with you. You're so irritated just because of an opinion you disagree with. I'm not shitting up the thread at all, i'm explaining my point of view, and have been treating people with due respect. And science is objective, scientists are not always objective. How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. >>11942 Why would shitlibs and jews give evidence for race being a biological reality. Why would they prove the aryan invasion theory, or why would they prove through genetics many of the things hitler talked about with the aryan race. A lot of geneticists give us evidence which shed positive light on our race, only people who believe in redheaded giants, root races, and White people coming from the center of the earth are unsatisfied with it, and call it kikery when there is no scientific evidence for what they believe in. >>11945 kek, believe me, i'm not samefagging, it's actually my first day visiting this image board. And david reich did research in india that gave evidence for Whites invading it. Thank you zog.

>>11941 Scientific methods cannot provide infallible truth, only varying levels of probability that something may be so. Science is merely the testing of ideas in the natural world with evidence gained from the natural world. Science can't make moral judgements, it's solely descriptive. Science can't make aesthetic judgements, science doesn't tell us how to apply the results of science, science doesn't study beyond Nature. The inductive methods of science Science is built on the foundation that Nature is uniform and unchanging in certain constants. One will probably say that Nature has always exhibited this sort of uniformity in our past experience, so it will be the same in the future. This inference is only justified on the assumption that the future will resemble the past. But does the future always resemble the past? The answer is of course 'no'. And the inference itself is circular, assuming what it seeks to prove, namely that the future resembles the past. The future will resemble the past...because in the past the future has resembled the past... there's no rational reason to believe this. Science is fruitless endeavor and a secondary form of knowledge. All the ancient Aryans acknowledged this. A society which worships and lauds natural science above all else quickly tumbles into degeneracy.

>>11952 > it's actually my first day visiting this image board. Lurk more, faggot

>>11943 >Not all science Science today is controlled by liberals and cuckservatives. Look up who's coming out with DNA tests every year. (((David Reich))) is one of them along with his leading genectists at (((Harvard))), which is ZOG FUNDED AND RAN BY JEWS. I understand what you are sayinh as clear as day. You aren't convicing anyone that you and your samefag is correct. >How do you know that for sure Because you are the only shill here within this thread derailing and defending (((DNA tests))) with a (1) and torfag. >>11949 >On this specific point, that is, private DNA testing I don't care, what makes it less Judaic? >The team that sampled Tutankhamun's genotype, which proved he was of European descent And rememeber they destroyed the career of the woman who confirmed that the Pharohs and nobility were Europeans. Again you are not making a point here. You are taking one case where they support our views of Whites across the world and thinking it has anything to do with the same morons who are religiously trying to debunk it as they shit on Plato and Herodotus' work as fiction. The claim that Hyperborea doesn't exist is Judaic and you clearly support this "science" like a retard. >Good, you went from "science today only validates... democracy" to "most science No didn't...Do you suffer from brain-damage? >>Exact same message, literally two different IPs. >>screencap, just in case >Gotcha I'm not the same anon, so I don't know why I had his ID, but funny how the other ID poster didn't show up yet and it's now only the tor samefag.

>>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. Confirmed kike.

>>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. This is both vague and retarded. Let's say you aren't a jew or shill. This line of a sentence only confirms that you are a newfag and are the cattle invading our board.

>>11954 l am not a faggot, sir >>11953 It's really strange for me to be reading this. What do you mean natural world? And nature in general, because it doesn't fit that well in a description of science. Science is most accurately described as the study of the universe. There are laws that are followed, which is what l think you mean by unchanging constants, but science is not built on them, some theories are, or a lot. And if those laws are proven to be wrong, they change, pretty flexible. So this idea that science is stagnate and clings to the past is pretty wrong, because the past shows that science can change, and it can change a lot. And we're not talking about philosophy and the aesthetics of something, we're talking about the ancestral history of a race. Talking about morality and whether or not something is pleasing to the eye adds a lot of strangeness to your post. >>11957 It's a direct question. And l suppose l am invading your board, sorry if l make you uncomfortable.

>>11954 Good lord, and some people wonder why our numbers don't even grow. >>11955 >RED SHIT RED SHIT and (((jewjewjewjewjew))) >Same post (x3), moved back to former IP Dude, please. >>11955 >I don't care, what makes it less Judaic? How is it Judaic? >>11955 >And rememeber they destroyed the career of the woman who confirmed that the Pharohs and nobility were Europeans But the sampling was made nonetheless. >You are taking one case where they support our views of Whites across the world and thinking it has anything to do with the same morons who are religiously trying to debunk it as they shit on Plato and Herodotus' work as fiction. The claim that Hyperborea doesn't exist is Judaic and you clearly support this "science" like a retard. If you could just calm down one minute you would perhaps understand, dear anon, that I'm not interested in supporting the ZOG's relentless destruction of our true legacy. >No didn't...Do you suffer from brain-damage? We have your two posts to read. Denial is a thing really but I'll drop this for the sake of this thread because this is not going to end well otherwise, and I'd rather have you chill and use a bit less caps'n'cols. >>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. Presumably one or two skeletons much closer to homo sapiens were found in Eurasia and that's it. This requires accepting evolution though. The OOA might not be totally false but kikes have twisted it to mean we were all nogs and sheyeet before turning getting bleached at higher latitudes. It's overall rather fruitless because I don't think we've found any remains of Whites even going that far back, anywhere on this planet. (Assuming no rats are hiding such facts somewhere in a warehouse.)

>>11958 >Science is most accurately described as the study of the universe. Yeah, the natural world, retard. >but science is not built on them, some theories are, or a lot. If there were no constants in nature, it would be unintelligible and any understanding of it impossible. Science is built on them. >So this idea that science is stagnate and clings to the past is pretty wrong Literally not claimed. You have awful reading comprehension.

>>11960 I must say, the average post quality on this board has dropped significantly since its former iteration got nuked. I barely see point posting here any more as we're spending more time filtering bs than getting access to good content.

>>11958 >It's a direct question. It's a stupid question that proves you have a redditor's mindset or just came here to derail the thread. OOA has already been disproven due to the missing chromosomes found in Africans that are not present in Europeans and Asians, nor within their ancestors. There is also evidence that the oldest hominids were found outside of Africa such as Asia and possibly Europe and North America. The oldest hominids being founf in Africa first was the only thing that could prove OOA happened and that fell apart when they've found the niggers own ancestors in other parts of the world and that Europeans were nothing like them. Your question proves you have no right being here and should return to plebbit, especially when you refuse to lurk.

>>11961 It's pretty much the same quality as always if you look at old archives. We do have newfags shit up threads like this occasionally though. Just report it and it will probably be cleaned up quickly.

>>11959 You have to go back

>>11960 The natural world isn't the universe, we study stars, and radiation across the universe, and that isn't in the natural world. Could you tell me what you mean by constants, like mathematical laws? I would understand better if you gave some examples. And sorry for misreading you. >>11959 Of course we weren't black in africa, but pertaining to the primate outside of eurasia being closer to humans longer ago, l believe the evidence was just that the teeth were similar. From a primate found in greece, which is something but limited evidence. >>11962 I have never heard this before, but it sounds so completely wrong that l think you mistyped or something. Africans and Whites 100% have 46 chromosomes. We do not differ in chromosome amount unless someone suffers from down syndrome.

>>11959 >red shit You are absolute moron. Is Harvard and Reich not jewish? Is Harvard not owned by zog? Otherwise you have no arguments and are just being a sperg. >How is making shit up and lying about our origins and all of this "research" being in the hands our enemies Judaic? You gotta wonder. >But the sampling was made nonetheless. Just barely. It was just barely made and confirmed and they're still trying to downplay it. No points, no arguments, very typical of a shill. >We have your two posts to read. Denial is a thing really but I'll drop this for the sake of this thread No, I never denied anything. Most science represents and generalizes science. I'm sorry that your nigger brain cannot comprehend meanings.

>>11965 >The natural world isn't the universe, we study stars, and radiation across the universe, and that isn't in the natural world Yes it is. The natural world is everything not explicitly made by humans and exists apart from us. You are being pedantic as fuck > Could you tell me what you mean by constants, like mathematical laws? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law

>>11965 >I have never heard this before As expected. >but it sounds so completely wrong that l think you mistyped or something. No it is not, and I'm talking about how many chromosomes we have, I'm talking about the specfic genome that scientists use to differate and understand a person's geneaology. The thing that confirms you are a descendant of a specific parent and group. Just stop posting and your tor samefag is obvious.

>>11969 no you did mistype. I was thinking actually a bit if you meant haplogroups instead of chromosomes. A haplogroup is not a chromosome, it is a small part of the mitocondrial dna or the y chromosome dna which descends from father to son (y chromosome) and mother to children (mitocondrial). The reason why people give a shit about this is because that part of those 2 sections of the genetics of a person mutates very slowly, which gives a good idea of human migration.

>>11969 I'm retard posting here, I meant I'm not talking about the amount of chromosomes.

>>11974 oh okay, i'll look into the image's claim in due time.

>>11967 oh okay, so you meant laws. But l still don't think laws are involved in every theory, or built science. For example, is there any example of laws about the theory of evolution?

>>11977 Take this shit to the Aryan science thread and stop samefagging and derailing this one.

>>11978 l swear to god i'm not same fagging

>>11952 >And david reich did research in india that gave evidence for Whites invading it. Reich was not the one who created the Aryan invasion hypothesis. He changed his perspective years after and claims it was not an invasion, but just a migration. He also used evidence from 19th and 20th century researchers to talk about the Aryans within India. The research was begun by Anglos and other jesuits who found similarities between modern European lanaugages and the Sanskirt. We also have the Rigvedas which solidifies that there was an invasion by the Indo-Europeans. >>11980 This line does not convince me. >Yet his point is correct. No all scientists are academics on ZOG's payroll. Hitler had great faith in science.

>>11977 > For example, is there any example of laws about the theory of evolution? Evolution is a hoax. Plus, this doesn't belong in this thread.

>>11983 OKay... Did we come from adam and eve? >>11982 You don't have to lecture me. I already know it, l said he gave evidence for Whites invading it, not that he came up with the idea of it. How can l prove that l am not samefagging? And l don't like hitler.

>>11985 >Did we come from adam and eve? I'm not a Christian. >And l don't like hitler. Are you White? Be honest.

>>11969 Been looking into it. And l cannot debunk his claims, because the subject matter has gotten too complicated for me. But i've researched the authors, and both of them aren't geneticists, and they seem to get a lot of scrutiny for this study. And the lead author believes that humans came from north russia. Mentioning incase it means something to you.

>>11986 Yes, but you might not consider serbians White. Then where did humans come from?

>>11985 Take this to the science thread or I'm going to report you as a shill. Last chance.

Please take anything not having to do with the history of the White race explicitly to the Aryan science thread: >>2551 >>2551 >>2551

I'll just leave this here >>11988 There are some decent Serbians but the majority of modern ones are gypsy-kike and Turk tier. While they vary genetically from person to person (you'll find more and less White looking ones), their mentality is non-White. But it's more a result of gradually being twisted and turned into Orcs. Original Serbs were as White as any other Europeans. t. living in that shithole

Since Asha Logos has been mentioned, I want to talk about his great videos on the Oera Linda. It is rather disappointing that this board has not talk much about the Oera Linda and some of its content. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rYT_WugMLoY https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XujB_NhKTy4 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gvt5jJnMruc I also hope you anons can keep this thread alive with more information about Whites within East Asia.

>>11995 I'm diaspora, hopefully you may ascend to our level one day, and live in the light. Serbs are basically 'as' White as northern italians, even though we have darker pigmentation than them. It's not because of turks and gyps, but because we're half slavic invaders and half native balkan. Some of us look nonWhite, depending on your definition, especially torlaks, but those are just alleles at work mostly, not much bearing on genetic differences within serbs. A blond haired blue eyed greek will always be closer to a swarthy greek compared to a serb or bulgarian even.

>>11966 >You are absolute moron. Is Harvard and Reich not jewish? Is Harvard not owned by zog? Otherwise you have no arguments and are just being a sperg. No, I'm just tired with you abusing special format and reposting the same point verbatim when I already explained my position, even agreed with some of what you said, and overall were just asking if you could calm down. >>How is making shit up and lying about our origins and all of this "research" being in the hands our enemies Judaic? >You gotta wonder. Again, how is the principle of scientific DNA testing judaic in itself? What you say is retarded. It's like saying anytime we use science it's Jewish. No, not all science used to be jewed and some of it still remains fairly sound, but we need to filter things a lot. >Just barely. It was just barely made and confirmed and they're still trying to downplay it. No points, no arguments, very typical of a shill. No, not barely. It was made, period. Now that other semitic shitbag of Hawass tried to block it but it was smartly inserted into a few frames in the documentary, in the corner of the screen. He and (((they))) got mad. >No, I never denied anything. Most science represents and generalizes science. I'm sorry that your nigger brain cannot comprehend meanings. My nigger brain remembers very well that you started by condemning all of science, then in the next post after my remark proceeded to say "most of science", just like you did above. Our resources are rather small but when we have elements working on our side we shouldn't spit on them because of wide scathing accusations. I'm saying, be measured. I'm not denying the Jewish involvement and funding.

>>11969 This data was just comparing nigger DNA and European DNA. Oh big surprise, they found no correlation. This does in no way mean that Whites might have not occupied a large part of Africa a long time ago. But as I said earlier, the era that's concerned goes well over the oldest bone of White Cromagnon/H.S.S. ever found as far as I'm aware. Now, there is more logic in Whites having evolved in a place where the sun was less intense.

>>12001 >Oera Linda Dunno, some bits sound very Christian though, like for example that part about kneeling to pray God. Did our ancestors ever kneel for their prayers or rituals?

>>12008 Prayer works - and it has a long history in almost every religious tradition, pagan or otherwise.

>>12006 Take your shit to the Aryan science thread. >>12007 >This data was just comparing nigger DNA and European DNA. Which proved that Europeans did not come from the ancient ancestor of Africans. You aren't very bright and it clearly shows. >This does in no way mean that Whites might have not occupied a large part of Africa a long time ago. No it actually does prove this, because there has been no decisive reports from geneticists or anything that can prove that Whites first lived in Africa and came all the way to Europe. There would have to been an explanation for the lack of admixture within all Europeans and ancient Africans that align both Whites and Negroes together. You're making petty excuses and are the type of cattle who goes on r/science and believes in every article fed to him. It seems you want us to be from Africa to justify materialism. It is very Judaic that you deny Hyperborea as our homeland. >But as I said earlier, the era that's concerned goes well over the oldest bone of White Cromagnon/H.S.S. ever found as far as I'm aware. Now, there is more logic in Whites having evolved in a place where the sun was less intense. Evolution is a hoax and the oldest Whites have only been found in Europe and Eurasia if we believe in what modern scientists say. There is no reason to affirm that we come from Africa, so drop the shit or go back to reddit. >>12008 >Dunno, some bits sound very Christian though, like for example that part about kneeling to pray God Again you're just plainly stupid.

>>12004 You have no idea how fortunate you are. I'm mostly Dinaric myself, which have strong Cro-Magnon features despite some swarthy characteristics. But you may notice a difference between people, even on an individual level. Serbs are very genetically diverse, and it's even noticeable in different regions regardless of how small the country is. Anyway, I'm far from the ideal of Whiteness, but it's mostly the mentality that annoys me. Which is the result of communism more than anything. >A blond haired blue eyed greek will always be closer to a swarthy greek compared to a serb or bulgarian even True, but in genetics it's small differences that make visible differences. And it's far more than just skin/eye color. Ashkenazis are very "White" looking.

>>12012 There is only a small amount of genetics research on serbs, mainly because it's harder to do studies on us because serbia isn't within the EU. And what basically matters is your overall genetics, which your looks cannot tell you everything about. Jews in particular pass as White, even moreso than serbs l would say, but they are genetically very different, they are in between middle easterners and europeans, overlapping with sicillians. You can search up european pca graphs to get a good idea with the differences of europeans genetically.

>>12006 >No, I'm just tired with you abusing special format and reposting the same point verbatim He wasn't abusing it, he was emphasizing the important fact of why you shouldn't trust them. Something your eyes and brain should note, so this post statement here is just nothing, but spergy. >Again, how is the principle of scientific DNA testing judaic in itself? Because DNA testing has only shown and validate kikes and their usual talking points. Every research they came out with has only reinforced and can be used to argue against Whites being from and creating their own homeland and culture without West Asians, who they deem as the creators of everything. Most DNA tests comes from (((Harvard))), an university filled with niggers, liberals and jews, which you should already know isn't going to be very honest and scientific. Most of the DNA testing reports that come out each year comes from morons like (((David Reich))) who constantly changes his views for his tribe's biases. Reminder that he asserts within his own book that we are not pure and that anyone person can simply develop a high-culture if you work "hard". Refusing to acknowledge that niggers never built their own high-culture for centuries until foreign contacts. There is no reason to trust DNA testing if it is done by the people who refuse to acknowledge that their liberal stances are wrong and can merely continue to uphold them as objective knowledge. >My nigger brain remembers very well that you started by condemning all of science, Your nigger brain doesn't remember anything, because anon never said all of science. We support Aryan science and truth, not information that seeks to destroy us and invalidate our ancestor's tellings. >Our resources are rather small but when we have elements working on our side we shouldn't spit on them because of wide scathing accusations. No we do not, and our resources aren't small that is what you want to believe, because they told you that. We already gave you reasons why we refuse to accept their lies and disinformation. >I'm not denying the Jewish involvement and funding. But you are accepting of Jews telling us we came from and who we are. This is the thought of a midwit.

>>12014 would you say that it is possible for something to be true in terms of genetics and also go against a pro aryan narrative.

>Quality thread completely derailed by one niggerfaggot nice

>>11932 >Japan seems to be closer to being that That would most likely be from the Jomon/Ainu people, who inhabited Japan prior to the Yayoi people, who look more East Asian. Wikipedia says modern Japanese have on average 20% Jomon DNA

I'm back and unfortunately I cannot find any more info on Whites in East Asia. So you anons are going to have to find it yourselves, because the Jew either took it all down or the information just does not exist at moment. >>11955 >Oera Linda I surprised that we never talked about this book. I still haven't given it a read even though Asha Logos talked about it a-lot and made it seem something so worthy of putting time into it. Should we bring up it and give it a look at and see if it could lead to more information? >>12007 I hate to bring this topic back up, but there literally exist no evidence that we came from Africa. To believe that we came from there downplays what our ancestors knew and believed, which is something both Christcucks and Jews want, so I don't know why you're so accepting of this if you truly are a NatSoc. There exist no legit evidence that Europeans and the rest of humanity came from one place and a common ancestor. While I do not believe in evolution, I am more inclined to believe that we evolved from our respective lands, or at-least Whites did, not to denounce any other races or anything.

>>12428 >While I do not believe in evolution, I am more inclined to believe that we evolved from our respective lands, or at-least Whites did, not to denounce any other races or anything. Whites are probably closer to the form of the primordial man than non-Whites is my thinking. Why are Whites seen as objectively more beautiful by people of all races? Because they most embody the archetype or Idea of the human being. The other races have degenerated away from this archetypal perfection. Whites might have even degenerated a bit themselves (our ancestors were far greater than we are), but we are still far above the other races. While evolution is of course a massive hoax, adaptation and altered gene expressions in different environments are not - and since non-Whites were long subject to the conditions of Nature to a greater extent than Whites, Nature has selected for gene expressions which fit them better to their environments, leading to degenerate, less-than-perfect forms.

>>2541 Just look up Indo-Europeans, you retard.

>>14660 >reddit-spacing What is the point of this post? Everyone and their mother knows of the Indo-Europeans. What we are learning in this thread, is that White people go far beyond just Indo-Europeans. It's worth pointing out the obvious too that posting scholarly information about how Indo-European languages spread doesn't necessarily imply a total replacement of the native people of a place with Indo-Europeans (in the ethnic sense). For example, it seems as if a good chunk of European genetics today even is probably composed of pre-Indo-European tribes whose languages gradually shifted to that of Indo-European groups which diffused into the area.

>>12428 The few bits I read of it had at times vibes of a Christian mindset and particularly that of fear and rampant humility towards God. It's still on my list of readings to complete but I'm not sure what could be exciting about it. It's more of an intellectual curiosity that needs to be satiated and in the process might even lead me to be pleasantly surprised as my hopes are not high at all. Yes, I know, Himmler blah blah. As for Africa, maybe a whole branch settled there for a long time, but as far as Aryan scientific research goes, we're given a central Eurasian origin within the last ten thousand years, and then less academic considerations have us spread from Atlantis, west of Europe, spreading across Eurasia and North Africa, with other few isolated and lost groups barely making it in South America. Previous to that, Atlantis seems to have been a reconstruction of another lost group that lived in the Arctic area at a time when, spectacularly enough, weather was mild and suited for life. This however is just pushing further back the geographical origins of what could be considered the primary White tribes, but it doesn't say much about how we actually came to be on this world unless we look into theories which will not be taken seriously by a lot of people, and will hardly be proven true anyway because of a conspicuous dearth of evidence.

>The Yaghnobit people originated from the Sogd, a people dominant in the area until the Muslim conquests in the 8th century when Sogd was defeated. In that period Yaghnobits settled in the high valleys. >The ancient Sogd fled to the Yaghnobdara Valley to escape the medieval Arab Caliphate, and their direct descendants, the Yaghnobit, lived there in peaceful isolation until the 1820s. >Until the 20th century the Yaghnobits lived through their natural economy and some still do, as the area they originally inhabited is still remote from roads and power transmission lines. The first contact with Soviet Union in the 1930s during the Great Purge, led to many Yaghnobits being exiled, but perhaps the most traumatic events were the forced resettlement in 1957 and 1970, from the Yaghnob mountains to the semi-desert lowlands of Tajikistan. >In the 1970s, Red Army helicopters were sent to valleys to evacuate the population, ostensibly because Yaghnobit kishlaks (villages) were considered at risk from avalanches. Some Yaghnobits reportedly died of shock in helicopters as they were moved to the plains. Many were then forced to work at cotton plantations on the plains. As a result of overwork and the change in environment and lifestyle, several hundred Yaghnobits died of disease. While some Yaghnobits rebelled and returned to the mountains, the Soviet government demolished the empty villages and the largest village on the Yaghnob River, Piskon, was removed from official maps. Officials also destroyed Yaghnobit religious books, the oldest of which was 600 years old. Yaghnobit ethnicity was officially abolished by the Soviet government. >Since 1983, families have begun to return to the Yaghnob Valley. The majority of those that remain on the plains tend to be assimilated with the Tajiks, as their children study in school in the Tajik language. The returnees live through the natural economy, and the majority remain without roads and electricity. >The Yaghnob Valley comprises approximately ten settlements, each housing between three and eight families. There are other small settlements elsewhere. The upper Yaghnob River Valley was protected by an until recently almost impenetrable gorge. They also live in and about the Amu Darya River, the Yaghnob River, the Yaghnob Valley, the Qul River, the Varzob rivers and the town of Anzob.

>>15880 Wow, it sure seems like the Soviets really wanted to hammer down on them as hard as possible. I wonder why that could be!

>>12026 I think the Jomon were just Australoids who didn't face the effects of the ice age like mainland Asia did while getting their skin bleached due to their location.

Bump >>12020 >Lü Bu has Green-eyes This doesn't come as a surprise, because it was said that he lived outside of China and somewhere close to ancient Mongolia and east of Central Asia and both of these regions are reported to have blonde and red-haired with blue or green-eyed Aryans along with the Tarim Basin. Do you happened to have a link to the poem itself or any more that refers to Whites living in Asia? >>14660 Cry more, Indo-Europeans traveled and lived all across the world and we have evidence that Whites assimilated or created non Indo-European languages and cultures outside of Europe as well. >>12015 Anything that goes against Aryans is inherently false, period. I've seen a common type of people who strongly believe in genetic sciences are also the ones who to kvetch at Nordicism, which are usually leftoids/Jews or right-wingers/reactionary christcucks, because it does not appeal to Christian or secular universalism (muh nigs can be as well-adjusted as Whites). While Thuletide himself has admitted to being a pagan on Twitter he clearly has either converted back to Christianity or at-least advocates a psuedo form of it which is why he and STJ, another psuedo-pagan, trust most of what American universities have to say. But we have to remind ourselves that these nimrods are also Anglo shills and unironically think the British Empire was protecting Whites and Europe, even though it was ran by Jewish cartels and the Anglos were the ones who started and spread White-Israelism which started the growth of Zionism across Europe, despite hating actual Jews. >>15958 >muh australoids The Jomons don't look anything like them. The likely case is that they are mutts, selective breeding and muh mutations are even more unlikely and holds no evidence that certain genes just simply pop-up out of nowhere especially for White skin. There are only claims and theories that it happened over physical evidence.

>>16488 >I've seen a common type of people who strongly believe in genetic sciences are also the ones who to kvetch at Nordicism Of course. I don't think Nordicism is or ever can be critiqued from any sort of neutral or disinterested standpoint. As you say, it comes almost exclusively from crowds that wish Nordicism wasn't true. All of its proponents think that they can just ignore all historiography in researching the past. If they were to take note of it, their neat little artificial picture of the past would totally collapse.

>>16490 >If they were to take note of it, their neat little artificial picture of the past would totally collapse. Not only that, Jewish science and egalitarian ideologies would been recognized to have no meaning or truths, because the National Socialists would be acknowledged by even normalfags, in everything or most of what they said to have been true. The total erdication of Judaism and its goal to take over the world.

>>16491 Yeah, that's right. The entire purpose of modern science, believe it or not, is demoralization and psychological warfare against the populace, not to mention serving as a replacement for religion (everyone is aware of this last point, of course, it is undeniable post-2020). Exposing Jewish science is actually one of the most important tasks that there is, because it breaks their most powerful control mechanism today and opens up limitless possibilities. Destroy the foundations, break the conditioning.

>>16493 >jewish science It's not science. Jews don't own the scientific method or natural science (they would love for us to believe that). Call it what it is, the technocratic religion of "scientism".

>>16497 Science is ultimately an inferior system of knowledge that is essentially a fruitless endeavor by itself, because some of its axioms are not even substantiated. It has its place, though.