Some excerpts from an article on the red-haired mummies of the Tarim basin, and how only Chinese scientists are allowed to stud them. https://archive.fo/58dDc

Anyone got info about the Persian Emperors and nobility having blond or red hair, and blue eyes or green eyes?

>>2553 Ismail I was one king who had red hair and brown eyes, and the only depiction of Cyrus left didn't portray him having a sharp nose and big brown eyes as is so commonly touted. As for light hair and eyes the general population used to have those but now have been largely relegated to the north of the country and within the mountains of Afghanistan and Tajikistan. A sidenote on that, I believe the Kalash are what the Aryans (or closest resemblance) to them that invaded or migrated to India looked like.

>>3517 >A sidenote on that, I believe the Kalash are what the Aryans (or closest resemblance) to them that invaded or migrated to India looked like. I think that is a fair assessment. Another good hint might be to look at the Pashtuns in Afghanistan. Even today many of them are remarkably Caucausoid in appearance (pictures attached). The reason I mention them in particular in connection with your mention of the Kalash is that because the Pashtuns are directly mentioned in the Rigveda, which is of course the oldest text in any Indo-European language under the name of Pakthas. Even today another name for the Pashtuns are Pakhtuns. Since even today these people use the same name as applied to them in the Vedas and a number of them look remarkably White, it’s likely that certain members of their group such as pictured looks similar to the original White inhabitants of India. The Kalash provide even more proof

Any good articles about the legitimacy of the Oera Linda Book? Even if only partly true it would pretty much link all of the posted information here together. Can also recommend the documentary "Skeletons in the Cupboard" which uncovers the hidden and purposely destroyed history of White Natives in New Zealand / South pacific. Actual descendants are shown and interviewed with genetic proves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_inGOubEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15ROUH3gAQ

>>3575 Farsi and especially Yaghnobi are probably the closest live example of what the Scythians and whole Aryan race spoke before migrating to Europe, Iran, Tarim, and India.

>>4648 I've often heard Lithuanian touted as being a very conservative IE language as well. Speaking of the Yaghnobi, the Wakhi people are another Iranian ethnic group living in remote regions of Afghanistan, Tajikstan and Pakistan who retain many Aryan features in the photos I have seen.

ITT: We wuz Egyptians! We wuz Indians! We wuz Chinese! White civilization is glorious enough as is; no need for grafting ourselves onto the histories of other people. >>2548 Note that these are mummies from the far west of China. We wuz not da Han Chinese.

>>4999 Found a reddit thread about possible Indo-European influences in Korea and Japan. https://www.reddit.com/r/IndoEuropean/comments/evm4pj/indoeuropeansteppe_influences_in_japan/ >>4992 Note that these mummies were in the Tarim Basin, were Caucasian and was not a province of China until the Qing Dynasty conquered it. There's no implication that we were Han retard, it's the fact that Indo-Europeans expanded as far as East Asia, and had possible influence on Ancient Chinese culture.

>>4992 >We wuz Indians! "For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians. However, 20%–30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes. In contrast, for paternally inherited Y-chromosome variation each caste is more similar to Europeans than to Asians. Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank." "Collectively, all five datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more similar to Asians" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/ Let's not forget the point that Vedic civilization was founded by Sanskrit-speaking Indo-Europeans, a language related to Greek, Latin, Russian and the Germanic languages. Why are you trying to diminish our great White past? >We wuz Chinese! "we compared the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences of three populations that lived in the same location, Linzi, China, in different periods: 2,500 years ago (the Spring-Autumn era), 2,000 years ago (the Han era), and the present day. Two indices were used to compare the genetic differences: the frequency distributions of the radiating haplotype groups and the genetic distances among the populations. The results indicate that the genetic backgrounds of the three populations are distinct from each other. Inconsistent with the geographical distribution, the 2,500-year-old Linzi population showed greater genetic similarity to present-day European populations than to present-day east Asian populations. The 2, 000-year-old Linzi population had features that were intermediate between the present-day European/2,500-year-old Linzi populations and the present-day east Asian populations. These relationships suggest the occurrence of drastic spatiotemporal changes in the genetic structure of Chinese people during the past 2,500 years." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10958855/

>>4992 >We wuz Egyptians! We wuz Indians! We wuz Chinese! Except we fucking were, retard. Even basic ancient history collaborates this. Look up Indo-Scythians and Tocharians.

Check this out - >>5167 - Carthaginians were literally Semites, but why did they look so White?

>>5169 It gives me the impression that they're simply aryans who spoke a different language

>>5180 Highly possible. Unfortunately I was unable to find any descriptions of Hannibal or anyone close to him, but I think that the coins and statues are telling enough. The only possible 'cope' I could think of for anyone wanting to describe these people as being the same Semites / Arabs who live in Tunisia today is to say that the Carthaginians were copying off of the Greek style and making their statues and coins look like Greeks. This isn't satisfying to me, because people aren't going to depict themselves as what their note. Occam's razor would suggest that they really looked something like that. And needless to say though Indo-European languages are closely tied to White people, language isn't tied to genetics. I will have to spend a bit more time looking at the coins of ancient peoples that we have and seeing if we can learn anything interesting.

>>5001 There were divergent results regarding the Linzi DNA, and morphological studies of the skulls are inconsistent with european features http://www.ivpp.cas.cn/cbw/rlxxb/xbwzxz/201203/P020120321548021521705.pdf

>>5250 We can't read chinkoid, retard. Also trusting China is low IQ, because the chinks are known for lying and really didn't want it known that White people brought origin to some of their culture. When an international team of scientists found that there were Caucasian mummies with blonde and red hair within the the pyramids, further investigation and research was prohibited and now it is forbidden for non-bugmen from reporting the case of the Tocharian mummies. You're retarded and didn't even make an attempt to prove him wrong, only took a PDF that you don't understand yourself and unironically believed the chinks when they are known for lying for their supposed innovations and the first mummies were clear as day were Caucasian and not Asian.

>>2542 Another good infograph sourcing the ahadith on the White features of Muhammad. It's certainly interesting. On a side note I always found it interesting how Savitri Devi referred to Muhammad as a fellow 'man against time' in her 'The Lightning and the Sun' if I am recalling correctly.

>>2542 >>7210 Anons, by your logic, do you consider Jews to be White too?

>>7258 Of course Jews are not White. The only reason why some people falsely think that Jews are White is because Jews moved into Europe and mixed with gentiles to an extent, Whitening their skin but not hiding their ratlike features from the discerning eye. If Jews had stayed where they were in Palestine since the dawn of time they would probably look like the Arabs who live in surrounding areas today. What’s interesting about Muhammad is that he lived among these brown people in Arabia and was apparently pale enough where it was remarked upon in the narrations repeatedly. That certain raises eyebrows, as do the reports of a blue-eyed, red-haired Genghis Khan. Now what there is no proof of is that Muhammad was an Aryan. Genghis Khan might have a connection with Scythians and other Aryan groups that lived in Western China, but I am not aware of anything similar with Muhammad. Aryan or not, there seems to be a general trend around the world that it was much Whiter in the past and has gradually been browned over the course of history, and in some areas out of nowhere are born exceptional men of White color. A sort of atavistic appearance of what may have been dominant in the distant past.

>>3575 I totally agree

>>7266 You have to remember that horses were domesticated 6000 years ago by Aryan people, this gave them a mobility advantage over other ethnic groups for a long time, until they too learned to use horses. On top of that the slave trade from Sub-Saharan Africa didn't exist in the same dimension as it would during the Middle Ages and Niggers were mostly kept in Sub-Saharan Africa by the desert. Add to that the lower human population and it's just logical that North Africa and Eurasia was populated by mostly light colored racial groups, as they were naturally evolved groups that adapted to their climate, with the only big migration waves coming from White steppe nomads. Hell even Africa was mostly populated by San people and not the Bantu Niggers that raped and pillaged Africa during the Middle and early Modern Ages. Ancient Egypt is a good example. The native ancient Egyptians saw themselves as a red race and know of other races that were White, yellowish and black. Ancient Egypt was successful invaded a number of times and the first one was the Hyksos. The Hyksos were a mixture of different ethnic groups, but they are known to have brought horses and chariots to Ancient Egypt. To the Hyksos belongs an ethnic groups called the Hurrians and we know that the hurrian Kingdom of Mitanni(today Syria) had an indo-aryan ruling class. Mitanni itself was later conquered by the indo-aryan speaking Hittites Empire from Anatolia. Later in their history, the Egyptian were invaded by the Libyans, the Assyrians, the Achaemenid Persians, the Macedonians and the Romans, but only a single time by the black Nubians.

>>2545 Any possibility of blue-eyed Buddhas being an anachronism resulting from a post Greco-Bactrian world?

>>8068 I'm not sure. It's certainly possible that Siddhartha Gautama was a blue-eyed man. For one, this is a traditional trait of the Buddha, though it must be kept in mind that other traits ascribed to him in the same category are very odd (such as a 'Well-retracted male organ' and 'Toes and fingers finely webbed'). That said though, the Shakya people that the Buddha came from among have been connected by many with the Scythians, who were well known for features such as blue eyes and red hair, and there were many, many people out in the East in the area around India and Western China two millennia ago with those features, and one can find reports from Chinese writers attesting to this (and think of people like Bodhidharma who is described too as the 'Blue-Eyed Barbarian, and pre-dates Alexander the Great and his conquests, or the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom).

>>8068 Not sure, but like >>8070 said, those features were common. Boddhidharma, who like anon said was also called: The Blue-eyed Barbarian or The Blue-eyed Devil, lived in China and had blue eyed and a red beard. According to Chinese sources he was either the son of a south Indian king or Persian. And he's always depicted with non-asian eyes.

>>5250 I don't know why you posted this, because the researchers before were an international team who confirmed that they were indeed Caucasian Europeans. For this study that you obviously did not read yourself and probably did not understood a lick of what it said was done by a field of Chinese scientists only. Reminder that the CCP were the same bugmen who didn't want anyone but themselves to handle the study and research of the mummies. Now we have retards like yourself who will believe paper for your own personal agendas like a moron.

>>8123 It really is telling how much the second paper is damage control. The first paper, like you mention indirectly, is a mixture of Chinese and Japanese scientists. I'm unable to tell where exactly the Chinese ones are from, but I imagine given the track record of China with regards to other evidence of White people there in the past, these are likely people from Taiwan or elsewhere. Authors of the first study: >Li Wang >Hiroki Oota >Naruya Saitou >Feng Jin >Takayuki Matsushita >Shintaroh Ueda https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12362832_Genetic_Structure_of_a_2500-Year-Old_Human_Population_in_China_and_Its_Spatiotemporal_Changes Authors of the damage control study: >Yong-Gang Yao >Qing-Peng Kong >Xiao-Yong Man >Hans-Jürgen Bandelt >Ya-Ping Zhang https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10889155_Reconstructing_the_evolutionary_history_of_China_a_caveat_about_inferences_drawn_from_ancient_DNA All of the Chinks here are affiliated with PRC universities, meanwhile the Japanese researchers above really have no motive to say that Causasian people lived in parts of China in the past. Even if one were to say that it is mere nationalistic attempts to delegitimize the Han foundations of China, we already know from many other kinds of data that Chinese civilization was not founded by the people who are called Chinese today, as is shown in this thread

Does anyone have possible connections of the Indo-Europeans, Korea, Taiwan and Japan other than what >>5000 had sourced? I also saw something from Robert Sepehr about blue-eye gods within Chinese folklore. >>>5169 I think it was said that the Queen who brought birth to Carthage was blond. >>8128 Sounds like Taiwan and Japan are very honorary, while the Koreans and Chinese only have some who are worthy of the title.

>>8501 For Taiwan I doubt there are any connections with Indo-Europeans. Apparently the aboriginal population of Taiwan has been there for over six millennia, and they themselves are almost indistinguishable from Chinks, and traditionally speak Austronesian languages just like people do in the Philippines, Hawaii and in Indonesia. I'd of course be interested if anyone knew anything.

>>8128 That reminds me of these guys making a case about Genghis Khan being White. https://www.radioalbion.com/2021/03/the-daily-nationalist-genghis-khan-was.html

>>8501 >Connections with China http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp167_old_chinese_proto_indo_european.pdf All I have is a pdf I found that shows a connection with a couple of words that may have been borrowed from the Indo-Europeans. But I think I did see something about a Southern Chinese tribe or at least somewhere South of China that had people with blonde and red hair with blue-eyes. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of the tribe and do not have any sources, but you can try your best to find it, because all I remember is that it had a name that started with a H. >>8511 The jew/libshit will always kvetch when it is revealed that Aryans are a powerful people. We already have accounts from a Persian writer that described the Khan family and their physical appearances, so this is just a chimp-out that he wasn't a gook.

>>8501 For China, we have information from Pliny on how there were Europeans in a place called Serica. >>Serica (/ˈsɛrɪkə/) was one of the easternmost countries of Asia known to the Ancient Greek and Roman geographers. It is generally taken as referring to North China during its Zhou, Qin, and Han dynasties, as it was reached via the overland Silk Road in contrast to the Sinae, who were reached via the maritime routes. >>These people, they said, exceeded the ordinary human height, had flaxen hair, and blue eyes, and made an uncouth sort of noise by way of talking, having no language of their own for the purpose of communicating their thoughts. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin.+Nat.+6.24 I don't know much about Taiwan, except that they are a combination of aboriginals and Chinese. The blue-eyed gods and more info on Japan you mentioned are still things I haven't found yet.

For the sake of collecting a lot of material in one thread here is another post from the paganism thread on descriptions of the Greek gods. This is of course interesting because of the second pic attached. >>8551 I'm wondering if the blue-eyed god thing of Japan might just be a garbled transmission of info about descriptions of the Buddha, or of Bodhisattvas, or figures like Bodhidharma. While they are not gods really, I see how the error could be made by outside observers.

>>8551 Continuing possible evidence of Europeans in China, the Wusun are said to be a people with distinct features from common Hans. >>According to Yan Shigu’s 顏師古 commentary on the Hanshu, ch. 96A “Among the various Rong in the Western Regions, the Wusun’s shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have blue eyes and red hair, and are like a macaque, belonged to the same race as the Wusun.” >Initially, when only a few number of skulls from Wusun territory were known, the Wusun were recognized as a Caucasoid people with slight Mongoloid admixture.Later, in a more thorough study by Soviet archaeologists of eighty-seven skulls of Zhetysu, the six skulls of the Wusun period were determined to be purely Caucasoid or close to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun Then we have the Yellow Emperor who is rumored to be blonde. >In characteristic open-mindedness and provocative radicalism, Mengzi [Mencius] 孟子 cheerfully asserts that quite a few of the Chinese sages, such as Shun 舜 and King Wen 文王, were not even ethnically "Chinese": >Shun... was one of the foreigners in the east [of the northern "Chinese" heartland] and King Wen... was one of the foreigners in the west [of the northern "Chinese" heartland]. 舜...東夷之人也。文王...西夷之人也。... >Already the Han dynasty commenter ... Zhao Qi, explains the scandal away by simply saying that the place where Shun was born was in the lands of the eastern foreigners, and that therefore when Mengzi says that Shun is one of them he actually only says that he is a "Chinese" who happened to be born there; the same claim is made for King Wen, whose place was a bona fide Zhou place but "close" to the Western foreigners. https://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_quotations/2011/11/was-the-yellow-emperor-huangdi-a-blond-hmm.html >>8553 >I'm wondering if the blue-eyed god thing of Japan Never heard of blue-eyed gods in Japan. >While they are not gods really, I see how the error could be made by outside observers. Well Buddha and his teaching has been corrupted by discples and sent over to various nations that are not Aryan, so it only makes sense that they would worship a great teacher as god, because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity.

>>8554 Forgot Sino-Platonic pdf for various Chinese accounts of Western barbarians in China.

On the topic of Serica, Pliny the Elder mentions them under the name Seres in his 'The Natural History'. Their capitol Sera, according to the footnotes, has been identified variously with Singan (Sian or Xi'an in modern orthography) or even with Beijing. <The first people that are known of here are the Seres, so famous for the wool that is found in their forests.5 After steeping it in water, they comb off a White down that adheres to the leaves; and then to the females of our part of the world they give the twofold task of unravelling their textures, and of weaving the threads afresh. So manifold is the labour, and so distant are the regions which are thus ransacked to supply a dress through which our ladies may in public display their charms. The Seres are of inoffensive manners, but, bearing a strong resemblance therein to all savage nations, they shun all intercourse with the rest of mankind, and await the approach of those who wish to traffic with them. The one footnote: <The people of Serica, which country with Ptolemy corresponds to the north-western part of China, and the adjacent portions of Tibet and Chinese Tartary. The capital, Sera, is by most supposed to be Singan, on the Hoang-ho, but by some Peking. Pliny evidently refers to the same people, and has some notion of the locality of their country. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D6%3Achapter%3D20

Does anyone have the sources of Aulus Gellius mentioning about something on how the Romans and Greeks both having blue or grey eyes?

>>8554 >because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity How is this bad? Controlling the inferior races ain't a bad blueprint.

>>9635 >>8554 >because inferior minds will only listen to you unless you claim divinity I'd be more willing to listen to a divinity than some average Joe on the street, so I don't blame them

>>9626 I just looked through the work and I can't find any mention of blue or green eyes in this work. Here is every mention of the term 'eyes" in the work Attic Nights: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/searchresults?target=en&all_words=eyes&all_words_expand=on&phrase=&any_words=&exclude_words=&documents=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0072 If you look up 'blue' there is only two matches and none of them have anything to do with eyes.

>>9635 Gautama did not teach so he control the masses.... >>9643 >I'd be more willing to listen to a divinity than some average Joe on the street Gautama wasn't some average joe, he was an Aryan and wise teacher who taught only those who were of common blood on how to counter degeneracy and keep their minds and spirits pure. His teachings were about how Aryans could rise above divinity and become enlighten, no need of claiming to be divine was necessary and he specfically stated that he was not a god.

>>9644 >I just looked through the work and I can't find any mention of blue or green eyes in this work. Well, someone claimed that the Attic nights has a mention of how Gellius had a conversation with a Greek and how the both of them shared ancestors with blue-eyes.

Have you guys heard of the tartaria theory? How supposedly we had great architecture not too long ago, and every major city in the USA suffered a (((fire))) that destroyed all the beautiful architecture so they can replace it with soulless shit like wamart? https://youtu.be/Js8y-04VkYg

Probably old news, but has anyone else noticed that the "peace" symbol the kikes and their commie dreg useful idiots flaunt everywhere is the death rune encapsulated by a circle? My instincts tell me to interpret this as not only promoting complete White genocide under the misnomer/ doublespeak of "peace", but promoting the destruction of life itself and of all highly evolved being. Life is eternal struggle and as such peace can never truly be achieved. Thoughts?

>>9645 >His teachings were about how Aryans could rise above divinity and become enlighten, no need of claiming to be divine was necessary and he specfically stated that he was not a god. Very true. The Buddha was definitely higher than the gods. Just look at how two devas had to become to beg him to teach after he reached enlightenment. >>9647 I've heard of the mudflood and Tartaria theories, but I have admittedly not explored them in depth enough to make any definitive judgements. Especially about Tartaria. Aspects of mudflood might be based in truth. There are certainly many images that seem to attest that there is a lot going on under modern cities, and that things have been buried. One good example is Sacramento, which is apparently 8-25ft higher than it was in the 1860s when it was completely inundated by waters. There are all sorts of tunnels under the city that used to be literally the street level of the old city. You've probably seen similar pictures and footage from other cities around the world. It's very possible that the chronology of history is all misleading or shaped in the interests of the powers that be. Oftentimes it seems like our ability to pinpoint when exactly someone lived, and for how long, and exactly when some event took place seem dubious to me. In some cases (esp. in more recent times) we have actually dating, but the further back in time we go the more sketchy things become. There could be massive gaps for all we know, or stuff said to have happened very long ago could have happened only a few centuries ago for all we know. Most manuscripts from ancient times are a lot more recent than one would think too, but who knows how old the now non-existent originals were. It seems to me pretty clear that many of the cities in the US, Canada and elsewhere were turned into (((clean slates))) in order to put up these brutalist hellscapes. The guy in the video is spot on. >>9648 Yes, it is absolutely a death rune as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe the alternate explanation about flag semaphores or whatever. It's a little too much of a coincidence for me. Our enemies love symbolism. If one is familiar with what to look for they will see it literally everywhere.

>>9647 If you get this idea because you watched a Jon Levi video forget it. The tartaria narrative is being pushed by some blatant disinfo shills

>>9650 What would they be trying to distract from?

>>9653 From things in our history that actually have been obfuscated. I mention Jon Levi in particular because his channel is pushing this tartaria narrative and has 120k subscribers. His videos primarily revolve around him looking at black and White photographs from the 1800s and feigning disbelief at the architecture and peddling the idea that Europeans did not construct any of the buildings or infrastructure on the continent and instead inherited it after a "great reset". He obscures any hidden history around the civil war by straight up denying that it took place. They take a small bit of truth regarding the likely occurrence of cyclical cataclysmic events on our planet and turn it in to >we don't know anything and the evil controllers are ruling over us and we can't do anything about it until we dismiss our entire history The man is trying to erase the history of NA in a way that isn't dissimilar to the progressive left, just he approaches it from a different angle. There are a few others like him in that youtube niche that push the same consensus.

>>9685 Hmm, yeah I could see how this could be a form of purposeful disinfo when you put it that way, not that there might not be, like you said, a grain of truth here and there. I have a feeling that the past might be distorted to an extent, especially when we look far back, but I feel like it is mostly correct in broad outlines.. The elite are powerful, but not omnipotent at all even with all of the technology that they have today.

>>9685 Fucking piece of shit inbred jew rat appropriator needs to be hung from a lamp post at best. I'm so god damn sick of the lies and semetic thievery.

>>9685 >Jon Levi I watched literally a minute of one of these guys videos just now and he was claiming that some piece of artwork may actual be an old type of photograph from the past civilization top kek, give me a break. I won't even point out the obviously suspicious aspect of this man's nam For anyone who wants to see what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvz8GxjCGKM

>>5169 I don't think the Carthaginians were actually Semites. This could be modern historians conflating things and making stuff up to we wuz more credit to Levantine cuckolds. It's the same case with how they claim that the language of the Greeks were firstly Phoenician and their first writings were Semitic. Some historians take some quotes from the bible as historical facts and others may take it as a way to understand them due to the lack of evidence of their existence and culture. It's funny how they are more reluctant to trust the Abrahamic texts over Greek accounts of history and European mythology.

>>9778 There was some discussion on this in the Aryan science thread that was interesting, namely on the fact that the current chronology pushed by the mainstream academics and historians is a close mirror of the general Abrahamic historical scheme with a recent origin of civilization, the Middle Eastern origin of said civilization and a general dominance of Semites in world history above in terms of religion, culture, etc. Extremely suspicious. These people surely realize that accepting aspects of Greek sources (not to mention others) would completely wreck their neat little Judeo-Christian historical model. A good example of this is Zoroaster. Modern historians say he lived probably in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE. The Greeks were extremely clear though that Zoroaster lived long before their time. Xanthos of Lydia said that Zoroaster lived 6,000 years before Xerxes’ crossing of the Hellespont in 480 BCE, putting him back into ~6480 BCE and even pre-Kali Yuga. This same claim is repeated by Alcibiades, Eudoxos of Knidos, and Aristotle. Plato’s disciple Hermodoros mentions that Zoroaster lived 5,000 years before the Trojan war, which was then dated to 1,000 years before Plato. If Plato was born 428 BCE, the Trojan War would then be ~1428 BCE, and Zoroaster again living at ~6428 BCE, which is essentially identical with the earlier sources. Phoenecians were definitely Whites speaking a Semitic language.

>>9782 If what Cremo said was true about archeology being hidden and purposely destroyed, then I guess this only proves that modern history is a part of the (((great reset))). >>9783 I'm not watching this. Either explain the video or delete your post and go away.

>>9784 Cremo’s stuff is an extremely interesting read. I own an abridged copy of Thompson’s and his book ‘Forbidden Archeology’ but I haven’t read it yet. I recently finished his ‘Human Devolution’ about a month ago where he summarizes a lot of the major findings in depth and I’ve gotta say if even a fraction of it is true there is a *major* cover up going on for one reason or another. He doesn’t put it in this type of conspiratorial terms, but it’s the natural conclusion to make, obviously. There is just loads and loads of things from the 19th century and even into the 20th that are completely anomalous and would demolish this Judeo-Christian chronological bias if accepted, it’s insane. In reading another book where he contributed a few chapters he was saying that when he was taking part in a documentary special for NBC that the museums they contacted to see some of the artifacts in question just completely refused to even let them see them or to have them shown them on camera (of course not denying they exist). This is akin to what the Chinese are doing with the red-haired mummies in the Tarim basin to like the tenth degree. The Jews don’t care much about recent history, but when it gets to around 6,000 years ago (for obvious reasons) everything immediately becomes distorted and completely denied. It’s insane

can you anons give me an explanation of radiocarbon isotopes and the problems with it.

>>9832 Carbon dating is largely a meme. One must remember that carbon dating is only 'accurate' out to around 50,000 years ago. The accuracy of this dating method also crucially relies on the assumption that the amount of the carbon-14 in the atmosphere has been constant, and that the decay rate into nitrogen proceeds constantly. There are numerous examples of modern mollusk shells that can be dated to be thousands of years old, freshly killed animals having calculated ages of over a millenium, among other things. It is also well known that over the past 60 plus years atmospheric radiocarbon levels have almost doubled due to above-ground nuclear weapons testing. Who knows what effects this has had on the accuracy of some measurements, if any. It has also been theorized that there is in general a fluctuation of the amount of carbon 14 in the atmospehre over time due to changes in the Earth's magnetic field, which would change the deflection of cosmic ray particles streaming towards Earth from the sun. The general theory is that carbon-14 is thought to be mainly a product of bombardment of the atmosphere by cosmic rays, so if the intensity varies over time, this would also affect the amount of carbon 14 in the environment at a given time, and thus effect datings. But even if it's perfect it only works out to 50,000 years and scientists readily admit this.

>>9786 >I recently finished his ‘Human Devolution’ about a month ago where he summarizes a lot of the major findings in depth and I’ve gotta say if even a fraction of it is true there is a *major* cover up going on for one reason or another. He doesn’t put it in this type of conspiratorial terms, but it’s the natural conclusion to make, obviously. ​ They couldn't make it more obvious concerning the facts that they want to make mainstream science out to be a religion, destroyed hundreds of bones that proved that giants existed and that modern humans have lived on Earth for millions of years, and the many archeological sites of tombs and artifacts being censored from the public and independent researchers. Even the idea that all animals and plants are unconscious or non-living ultimately originated from the Abrahamic central texts. Every other religion contains beliefs that all of nature were just as conscious and living as much as we humans are. Almost every scientific research is supporting the Torah and bible perspective, while denouncing non-Judaic mythology as fictional. The kikes couldn't have their heads on a spike sooner enough.

>>9879 Giants are an extremely interesting topic. Since you're aware of the stuff around them I'm sure you know some of this, but if one goes to a site like JSTOR to scroll through really old academic journals from like 1860 to 1890, there really are a lot of reports that pop up time to time in places like the Scientific American that report that giant bones have been found in various places, often like 8 to 13 feet tall if I am recalling correctly. And then it just completely stops at some point. If anyone is interested I can post the examples I've found here later. One can say they are all 'hoaxes' but the sheer amount of reports of this stuff is puzzling to say the least. The 19th century is really the turning point though when the Jews really began to consolidate open control. Though they had extensive financial power even prior to the mid 19th century, it was around this time that they were actually 'liberated' and made equal citizens under the law in many European countries. With this final hurdle gone, the Jews were free to emerge from the shadows and assume direct control. > Even the idea that all animals and plants are unconscious or non-living ultimately originated from the Abrahamic central texts. I have unironically heard Christfags tell me this shit even in recent months in real life. It is completely beyond me how one could believe this. I can sometimes get them to concede on animals like dogs or cats, but they are very hostile to the idea of insects or plants have consciousness. They are typically stunned when I tell them I believe this, even after I show them some of the extremely interesting evidence for this (though really it is silly that this needs proof at all, much like how some materialists today will even demand proof of human consciousness unironically. Our ancestors needed no proof, it was obvious). Needless to say this was a frequent area of criticism brought up by people like Celsus against the Abrahamists.

>>9890 >If anyone is interested I can post the examples I've found here later. Go ahead, many of these giants were said to be blond or red-haired and possibly Nordic looking anyway. They're likely Whites as well, so it would still be related to the subject of the thread. If anything I would say that these giants aren't hoaxes, but are a threat to the Judaic lie of human history. >I have unironically heard Christfags tell me this shit even in recent months in real life. It is completely beyond me how one could believe this. I can sometimes get them to concede on animals like dogs or cats, but they are very hostile to the idea of insects or plants have consciousness. They are typically stunned when I tell them I believe this, even after I show them some of the extremely interesting evidence for this (though really it is silly that this needs proof at all, much like how some materialists today will even demand proof of human consciousness unironically. It is not surprising that Christfags are just dumb and will always expose themselves as the type of cattle that the jew can easily control. The Abrahamists never think of what their ancient ancestors believed in, nor take a long observation of nature and think to themselves if it could ever be possible that every other being on our planet is actually dead and cannot have a consciousness. This is all, because of one stupid book that claims to contain all knowledge of the world and to being the gateway to heaven, even though the jews have plagiarized works and ideas from Ancient Greece, Rome, Mesopotamians and the Indo-Aryans.

>>9894 I don't know much about physics or biology but wouldn't giant humans violate the square cube law? I'm not sure were they would find enough sustenance either, especially at larger populations. The whole idea just seems impossible to me on so many levels. I don't think any other hominid has ever gotten that big, much less any human being.

>>9895 >I don't know much about physics or biology but wouldn't giant humans violate the square cube law? I don't think so, we see that there are cases where some human beings can be overly gigantic and live for a good chunk of years and then there are people who are said to naturally tall (Paul Sturgess). Maybe the human body is more amazing than we assumed or there just may be certain genetic traits or something that allows humans to be overly tall.

I thought I had more evidence than this, but I will post it anyway. I can't vouch for the others in the first pic, but I have went in to the NYT archives and confirmed that the giant stories from there are legit. As one can see, these dates cluster from the 1880s to 1904, giving us over two decades of sporadic reports of giants. The second image is from August 14th, 1880 in the Scientific American. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26073521 The third image is from December 6th, 1856 in the Scientific American again. This one is worth including because it shows that they're not just being blindly credible in reporting, saying that it COULD be an elephant. https://www.jstor.org/stable/24949519 Many of these giants, as it will be seen, are discovered in burial mounds. Anyone who is an American will know that it is very illegal to dig into burial mounds today here, and that it is illegal to possess the bones and artifacts that come from these. Just look at the controversy around Kennewick Man from a while back. So we have all of these reports in the mid 19th century to the early 20th (and possibly beyond, I will be researching this more soon) which mention giant skeletons 8-12 feet tall being found in burial mounds, and then later all of these laws were slapped over to 'protect' Indian cultural artifacts and bones. The rabbit hole goes deeper though, perhaps far deeper, because myths of White giants are frequent among Native Americans all across the continent. This I will also be exploring more in depth, but this article has some intriguing pathways to start down on them: https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-White-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774 Though I do not know if they were giants or not, Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha, among others, are among the other aspects of the proof about ancient White presence in the New World. The real question is WHERE ARE THE BONES??? These things are either locked away or have been destroyed by the Smithsonian, or even more plausibly, given away to Injuns who are legally allowed to claim these bones and there is nothing people can do about it.

>>9894 >If anything I would say that these giants aren't hoaxes, but are a threat to the Judaic lie of human history. I agree. It is important to gather evidence that appears to counter their myth-making and to be able to sketch out a more accurate chronology that takes into account the ancient legends of the ancestors, the true distribution of White / Aryan peoples on this planet, and the reality of certain phenomena denied by current judeo-materialistic 'science'. >nor take a long observation of nature and think to themselves if it could ever be possible that every other being on our planet is actually dead and cannot have a consciousness (((Genesis))) has really done a number on them, to say the least. It is here with the question of consciousness that we see a conjunction of modern 'science' (or nescience more accurately) and the Judeo-Christian worldview. Jews of course believed that they are just soulless husks animated by Yahweh. For a time learned Christian theologians assimilated ideas such as Aristotle's theory of souls, and we can find many statements from pre-modern scientists talking about how Nature was akin to a living organism and that everything was ensouled though. Around the time of Galileo onwards, and especially with Descartes though, gradually more mechanistic ideas of Nature and reality in general gradually became dominate. Of course Descartes was a major Christcuck himself, and he was the one that said that humans alone have souls and that animals are literally just like complex, soulless meat-machines and nothing else. This was gradually prepping the way for this to be said about humans as well, if one really thinks about it. The solely mechanistic idea of Nature and science is really holding us back. In being rather successful in observing Nature from a solely objective point of view, man has completely forgotten about the subjective, which his scientific tools fail to understand. >>9895 >>9902 I would imagine that with even a slightly more robust or sturdy construction or thicker bones that there could be people slightly larger than even some of the 8-footers here. Some of these massive people had problems in walking, but others were just fine.

>>9894 >This is all, because of one stupid book that claims to contain all knowledge of the world and to being the gateway to heaven, even though the jews have plagiarized works and ideas from Ancient Greece, Rome, Mesopotamians and the Indo-Aryans. I always wondered, where jews take inspiration for judaism and kabbalah ? Isn't they just stole 90% of Buddhism/Paganism esoteric's and corrupted it with egalitarianism ?

>>9906 > It is important to gather evidence that appears to counter their myth-making and to be able to sketch out a more accurate chronology that takes into account the ancient legends of the ancestors, the true distribution of White / Aryan peoples on this planet, and the reality of certain phenomena denied by current judeo-materialistic 'science'. Yes, there's nothing the jew fear and hate anything else than destroying their faggy narratives that our ancestors were retarded compared to modernists, and that we've evolved from niggers. I would say that it should be a priority for fascist to find info that rids of our one-sided view of history. >Jews of course believed that they are just soulless husks animated by Yahweh. It's ironic for jews to think this lol. > For a time learned Christian theologians assimilated ideas such as Aristotle's theory of souls, and we can find many statements from pre-modern scientists talking about how Nature was akin to a living organism and that everything was ensouled though. It's even dumber that they missed or purposely ignored and rewritten Greek theories on how all living organism have souls and a consciousness. The reason why animals are like how they are is because, they aren't as knowledgeable as humans and the Zoroastrians acknowledged this to an extent, but biblecucks couldn't go into the woods or forests and observe life for a whole 1 year and come to conclusion that they were wrong. But maybe this is want their (((god))) wanted in the first place. > The solely mechanistic idea of Nature and science is really holding us back. In being rather successful in observing Nature from a solely objective point of view, man has completely forgotten about the subjective, which his scientific tools fail to understand. And things are only somewhat getting better where some scientists acknowledge nature's consciousness or continue to deny and "debook" that plants communicate similarly to humans. It is important that we National Socialists reaffirm nature and the truths that our ancestors knew long ago. >I would imagine that with even a slightly more robust or sturdy construction or thicker bones that there could be people slightly larger than even some of the 8-footers here. This is also a possibility. I don't think it's impossible for every creature to not become naturally be gigantic. >>9948 >I always wondered, where jews take inspiration for judaism and kabbalah ? Isn't they just stole 90% of Buddhism/Paganism esoteric's and corrupted it with egalitarianism ? I imagine that jews stole ideas from all cultures they've contacted with, because they acknowledge their truths and creation of high-cultures. We definitely can see that the jews stole or took inspiration from the Cannanites, Zoroastrians, Hellenics, and the Buddha himself. If weren't any more obvious that we have the Star of David which existed from the Israelis, Essene's interesting similarities with Dharmic monasticism, the takings of Hellenic philosophy and incorporating them into Judaic traditions, and stealing the Canaanites' architecture, financial practices, gods and rituals. I think they've stolen religions beliefs and culture of the Egyptians as well, but I do not remember and forgotten if there were any. But Judaism, Islam and Christianity have taken many ideas from other religions and claim them as their own.

>>9948 I'm thinking it's a genuine mixture of actual spiritual experiences from a few mystics here and there heavily interpreted through the lens of the Bible and many borrowings from Platonic philosophy, which we can see with the idea of everything emanating from the highest, almost unknownable Ein Sof, which is comparable to ideas of everything emanating from the One or the Good. I'm not sure how to interpret the ten sefirot, I guess this is mainly just about the various aspects or attributes of Ein Sof considered as lower emanations themselves. This might be an internal development, as are all sorts of things like gematria, mystical interpretations of the mitzvot / commandments and the like. Where Kabbalah really goes of the deep-end is of course with Isaac Luria and his Kabbalah, which puts the idea of the shattering of the vessels in the beginning and the re-integration or repair of the divine order through the process of Tikkun Olam at the forefront. Lurianic Kabbalah look on a life of its own with Shabbetai Zevi and Jacob Frank and their 'redemption through sin' ideas. Today the Kabbalistic doctrine Tikkun Olam has become the centerpoint of much of Jewish and progressive thought, as we have seen Obama and other US presidents, and many other Jews appeal to this idea, inextricably bound up with the myth of (((progress))) and 'repairing' the world. This might have its origins in Platonic ideas as well, which speak of a return to the origins for the soul, but Plato and Plotinus' stuff has nothing to do with the idea of progress, or repairing this temporal world, but transcending it. The sort of thing that Tikkun Olam is aiming for is a sort of returning to Nothingness. This might sound controversial or provocative, but many Kabbalists have taught that the first manifestation of Ein Sof is literally complete nothingness (ayin ha-gamur). God can only be described as nothingness according to this view since he is beyond all comprehension and language. Makes me think about what atheists are truly saying, or what the implications of the Big Bang theory are in light of Kabbalah... >David ben Abraham ha-Laban, a 14th-century kabbalist, says: >Nothingness (ayin) is more existent than all the being of the world. But since it is simple, and all simple things are complex compared with its simplicity, it is called ayin.[6] >Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi says: >AYIN means No-Thing. AYIN is beyond Existence, separate from any-thing. AYIN is Absolute Nothing. AYIN is not above or below. Neither is AYIN still or in motion. There is nowhere where AYIN is, for AYIN is not. AYIN is soundless, but neither is it silence. Nor is AYIN a void – and yet out of the zero of AYIN'S no-thingness comes the one of EIN SOF[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayin_and_Yesh Tikkun Olam = Death Conditioning

>>9951 >which existed from I meant existed way before the Israeli claimed it as theirs.

>>9951 >The reason why animals are like how they are is because, they aren't as knowledgeable as humans and the Zoroastrians acknowledged this to an extent, but biblecucks couldn't go into the woods or forests and observe life for a whole 1 year and come to conclusion that they were wrong. But maybe this is want their (((god))) wanted in the first place. I have sort of thought of the brain as a prism for consciousness that shapes and modulates its expression even though it's essentially the same principle at work in plants, animals, humans, etc. The body of a simple organism is much less complex and is not able to let consciousness permeate through to the same extent as it does in humans. They have less free will and more so blindly follow their instincts. >And things are only somewhat getting better where some scientists acknowledge nature's consciousness or continue to deny and "debook" that plants communicate similarly to humans. It is important that we National Socialists reaffirm nature and the truths that our ancestors knew long ago. Definitely. Some scientists and philosophers are gradually being forced to admit that the solely materialistic view of Nature is inadequate in the extreme when it comes to consciousness. Typically the first baby-step made here is panpsychism, which is essentially reductionistic materialism with an admittance of mind qualities. There are many issues with this theory, but I do not want to criticize it too much. Panpsychism was actually a theory that completely reshaped the way I looked at the world back when I was drowning in a mire of materialism. Above even this there have been modifications of this theory done by philosophers in recent years that present a holistic vision of this where there is one basic universal consciousness that through various means becomes fragmented into many different conscious subjects. Here we are really getting close to pantheism or ideas like Advaita Vedanta (in some respects). For a while I sat at this view before advancing further. I don't mean to blogfag too much, but it was really the question of consciousness that opened the entire door for me to actually embracing the sort of worldviews held by our ancient Aryan ancestors. A materialist can never understand how our ancestors thought and lived. Before all of this exploration by me I identified as a pagan, but I was never truly a pagan until I began to radically reshape my views on many of these topics. On the topic of plant consciousness in particular, this video is pretty interesting for any anons that have a little time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA28v3aSxpA It's a funny coincidence, because I scrolled down into the comments just now as I went to fetch this video. Sure enough there is a dumb Abrahamist in the comments who said "No, it's Nefesh" - i.e. it's the breath of (((Yahweh))) and nothing more in their view.

>>9955 Is it me or is Kabbala is just jews coming to terms with polytheism being real, and them just interpreting different divine entities as "emanations"?

>>9979 Here’s a short excerpt from the PDF in the thread on the esoteric motivations of the Jews. It sounds like a lot of pilpul to me, but not really polytheism like that of pre-Abrahamic European religions: >Most of the early kabbalists were more inclined to accept the view that the Sefirot were actually identical with God's substance or essence. [...]. According to this view, the Sefirot do not constitute "intermediary beings" but are God Himself. "The Emanation is the Divinity," while Ein-Sof cannot be subject to religious investigation, which can conceive of God only in His external aspect. The main part of the Zohar also tends largely toward this opinion, expressing it emphatically in the interchangeable identity of God with His Names or His Powers: "He is They, and They are He"(Zohar, 3:11b, 70a). In the latter stratum, however, [...] the Sefirot are seen not as the essence of God but only as vessels or tools: although they are indeed neither separated from Him nor situated outside Him like the tools of a human artisan, nevertheless they are no more than means and instruments which He uses in His work. Recanati states that most of the kabbalists of his time disagreed with this view. In the writings of Joseph Ashkenazi (Pseudo-Rabad) this theory is developed to the extreme where the Sefirot, being intermediaries, pray to God Himself and are actually unable to perceive the nature of their Emanator, a view which was first presented in the writings of Moses of Burgos and subsequently appeared in many kabbalistic works. Cordovero tried to re­concile these two opposing views and to accord a certain measure of truth to each one. Just as in all organic life the soul (the essence) cannot be distinguished from the body (the vessels) except in abstracto and in fact they cannot be separated at all when they are working together, so it may be said of God that He works, so to speak, as a living organism, and thus the Sefirot have two aspects, one as "essence," and the other as "vessels." Dominating this theosophic organism is a metabiological principle of measure and form called kav ha-middah (according to specific statements in the Zohar which use this term to express the nature of the activity of the first Sefirah). From this point of view the Sefirot are both identical with the essence of God and also separated from Him (see Pardes Rimmonim, ch. 4). In later Kabbalah this view became paramount. Now this isn’t even to touch on stuff like Metatron, who has been called “the lesser YHWH”, and all of the complex forms of angelology. Starts to sound a bit polytheistic here

I just spent a little bit digging through NYT archives. When does it stop being a coincidence?

>>10062 >>10061 There are articles I haven't even gone through yet. There are literally DOZENS of these articles, even into the 1940s

>>10063 >>10062 >>10061 Even more. I even have two PDFs of full-length articles but they won't let me post, it's probably some sort of weird setting the NYT puts on the PDF. I'll look at it later. I'm not even done digging though. I'm going deep now.

Sunscreen was used by ancient White Egyptians. The White Egyptians were known to use rice bran extracts, jasmine and lupine extracts as a sunscreen because they realized these ingredients had the ability to absorb the sun's very strong rays. These chemicals are still used today in some of the modern sunscreen products.

>>10075 Do you think this explains why some Egyptian nobles were described as reddish-skinned?

Going back to answering anon's question here >8501. I found this tweet that talks about the discovery of an unique Ancient Chinese city, Shimao that is said to predate Sino culture and civilization within China. >3. Such stone construction & carvings (L) had no parallel in any parts of China, but recall those produced by Indo-European Kurgan culture (R). In fact, the city is on the eastern edge of Eurasian steppe, which served as a highway between East Asia & Europe in the ancient times.. A possibility that city used to be Indo-European or inspired by Aryan cultures. Although do not take this tweet as fact, it's just a speculation and theories. Many of Shimao's artifiacts looks very similar to Mesoamerican culture. I'm also trying to find some other links with the claim that the findings of the skulls of some of China's ancients cities were "Europoid" aka Caucasian findings of its inhabitants, but that may take awhile as well. https://archive.is/0lIak

>>10108 Shimao being in Shaanxi is pretty significant, and would lend credibility to any Indo-European / Aryan hypothesis. From the research I’ve done and seen in this thread, Whites in China seemed to be situated around the area of modern Gansu and Xinjiang, and out to Shandong. Shaanxi fits right into this picture, which indicates White inhabitance of almost all of Northern China. I don’t think we have much on the South. It might have remained more Asiatic throughout history.

>>10094 Yes indeed and many mummies have blonde or red hair

>>9647 I don't doubt at least intentional neglect bringing down some of these buildings, but it's also important to remember that these cities grew quickly and were largely built out of wood and other flammable organic material. Rome in antiquity also had semi-frequent fire issues. The Chicago examples in particular don't make a strong case because they were specifically created as temporary buildings for the World's Fair. IIRC, the whole thing was designed and built in under three years.

>>10952 The Tartaria theory is based on the assertion that the Worlds Fairs were a total lie and were fabricated to explain the existence of these buildings. The Europeans in the Americas allegedly only discovered these buildings that had been left behind by a previous civilisation. The buildings were then destroyed to cover up the existence of a previous civilisation and to hide our "true" history. As I mention here >>9685 the idea is pushed by shills or just straight up idiots.

Is there any truth to the so-called Solutrean hypothesis or other theories of White colonization of the Americas prior to Colombus?

>>11033 It has been proven that the first Europeans to set foot in the American continent were Vikings, not Columbus. There was a settlement with obvious Viking characteristics discovered a few years ago, and it could only have been created before Columbus. The settlement was abandoned for some reason and it didn't thrive though. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-vikings-a-memorable-visit-to-america-98090935/

>>10774 You are completely missing the hook nose on that "mummy". Use your perception. Jews are doing what they have ALWAYS done, they poison and destroy. Look at all the statues of niggers in Egypt... You don't think they used niggers back then to destroy the original Egyptians and elevated them to worship levels to demoralize? Jews were not "slaves" in Egypt, they were the SLAVERS as they have always been. Those mummies with "red hair" are most likely the same kind of Ashkenazi cunts were are fighting today.

>>11081 >You are completely missing the hook nose on that "mummy". It's hard to tell exactly since it's so desiccated, but the question to me is whether that is a Jewish nose, or a Roman / aquiline nose. I am thinking that it might be the latter, since the Jews have always hated the Egyptians as ebil pagans and oppressors, too.

>>11086 The nose knows.

>>11081 I would agree with you on everything, but I do not think the mummy is a kike. The nose is actually not the best way to tell, there are many Whites that are non Jewish with larger noses or Roman noses. I believe the Jews did bring blacks into Egypt as slaves, just as they brought them to America, and yes it’s the same story over and over again from Babylon to Egypt to the USA

>>11081 https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=g8xd4Dz2VOk

>>11033 It's highly plausible, even if I'm not super well-read on the merits or lack thereof of the Solutrean hypothesis in particular. Just look into Kennewick Man - that is the perfect example of the type of kikery that is going on in the study of the ancient world and its inhabitants. Initial analysis of the bones showed that he was related more closely to Europeans than to the Indians we're familiar with today. One can tell just by looking at Kennewick Man's skull and comparing it with that of Europeans, and that of other races. It's not an Amerindian skull. Tribes instantly began to chimp out though, and demanded that these bones not be worshiped at all and that they should be giving back to the Indians. This is the same problem that was discussed earlier ITT with the question of giant humans and Indian burial mounds. They wanted to invoke the federal law requires certain Native American artifacts and remains to be handed over to culturally affiliated tribes or provable descendants. When we combine this with the fact that it appears that many tribes in the New World were visited by White 'gods' who taught them the rudiments of higher civilization (Quetzalcoatl, Viracocha, etc), it seems like Whites might have been interacting with the New World for a very, very long time, far longer than we are led to believe today by agenda-driven archeologists. If we take into account some of the archeological evidence that seems to indicate that humans existed much longer in that part of the world than we are led to believe, than it becomes an even more interesting picture (Hueyatlaco site, etc)

>>11033 There's evidence to support it, though nothing conclusive like a Solutrean skeleton to compare DNA to. Some of the more interesting evidence includes genetic markers most present in Eastern American Indian tribes, Europe, and the Levant being entirely absent from Asia, as well as sites in the Eastern US and Brazil (Toca da Tira Peia) seriously challenging the conventional timeline for crossing the Bering Land Bridge. There are also some distinct similarities with Solutrean and Clovis tools. Piggybacking off of >>11094, some tribes have stories of fighting red haired giants. I also find it plausible that The Bighorn Medicine Wheel (which no tribe has claimed to have made) has the same root as the dharmachakra, though that's not necessarily Solutrean related.

>>11137 >I also find it plausible that The Bighorn Medicine Wheel (which no tribe has claimed to have made) has the same root as the dharmachakra Interestingly the Sioux people, who live in Wyoming where that wheel is, and in other surrounding states, have another similarity with concepts in Vedic / Dharmic religion. Particularly among the Sioux subgroup of the Lakota, the legs of the buffalo symbolize the four ages. Every year the buffalo is said to lose one hair, and with every age, another leg, with the last age there only being a single leg left, after which it repeate again. This is identical to the representation used in Vedic / Dharmic religion of the cow. The four-legged cow symbolizes Satya Yuga, and with each age it loses a leg, until it only has one in the Kali Yuga. Could be a coincidence, but it is also possible that there is some doctrine and common sets of symbols like the wheel of Dharma, and this buffalo / cow symbolism, that have been passed down from the ancient past that most of humanity (particularly Aryan humanity) once came to know.

The Aryan Invasion / Migration? Did it happen? There is apparently some evidence that several rivers mentioned in the Rigveda would push back the date of the work significantly. The invasion / migration is alleged to have happened ~1,500 BCE but several of the rivers mentioned and identified are said to have dried up in ~1,900 BCE and ~2,500 BCE, respectively, and the astronomical references in the Rigveda are apparently of a significantly older date if accurate than what scholars have theorized. Could the people of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa have been White? Especially in light of an apparent cultural continuity between this civilization and that of later Vedic civilization? It is also strange that such a migration or invasion is not in cultural memory in the same way Abraham's migration in the Bible. What we do see is a race war against dark-skinned people and the destruction of forts and cities. Could Aryans have been indigenous to this area, as well as Europe, the Iranian plateau, etc?

>>11206 I was just about to pose the same question. The more I read into the abnormal presence of ancient Aryans just about everywhere, the more I start to think that maybe there wasn't an "Aryan invasion", but perhaps it's instead the same story that's playing out today, and the one that has always been playing throughout all of our history. By that I mean that Whites were far more numerous and spanned a much larger area of the globe if not most of it, and we've been subjected to constant genocide & ethnic cleansing, resulting in us losing all of our former territory, our history, as well as pushing our numbers exceedingly close to extinction. I wish I knew what they know. Even though we've found some useful information, it's still just little snippets. They've pulled off a monumental cover-up of our history and it's likely that it'll be even less accessible to future generations, our kid's kids might genuinely believe that there were black genderqueer kings in Britain. I wonder what we did that was so bad to (((them))) that's made them want to completely eradicate us from history.

>>11766 You seem to be coming to a lot of conclusions that I feel like I am close to myself. There is a great deal of evidence from multiple independent sources in this thread that attest to a White presence in at least most of Eurasia. Personally I have not explored African legends at all yet, but at this point I would not be surprised if we were to see the same thing repeat as we have seen in this thread. And then in North America there are of course many legends of Whites bringing culture and learning to so-called Natives, then there is Kennewick man, the stories of White giants and similar legends among the Natives of North America, etc. The same theme pops up over and over again. It's never black, brown, yellow or green people coming to share knowledge and build civilization in legends, it's White people. The question is WHY? I think it's because it actually happened. It's been discussed in other threads that the Jews have even most-likely warped our understanding of chronology and human history to a great extent. Not that 'all of history is fake', but that there have been distortions and twistings, and that the narrative has been laid out that makes it suspiciously accord with the Judeo-Christian Middle-Eastern centric view of history and a recent birth of civilization. If this is not nipped in the bud, it would not surprise me if in the future people would truly believe nonsense such as 'black genderqueen kings' and the like. I wouldn't even be surprised if they tried to totally erase the exist of White people in total. The golems of the Jews don't gain anything by knowing history, they should just be consuming products and working for Mr. Shekelberg!

>>11766 >I wonder what we did that was so bad to (((them))) that's made them want to completely eradicate us from history. I don't think we did much. I think that we are fated to be at odds throughout all of history. In this eternal struggle, we are both given meaning. Without both, we would just live in a stagnant universe of only good or evil. As for what actually happened, some group of ancient Aryans probably tried to wipe them off the face of the earth, or maybe their desert god was just angry that neither he nor his covenant could actually create anything.

The Secret History - Underground Dungeons, Murder, Demonic Visions and the Death of the Roman Empire >Perhaps the most explosive insider historical account of significance ever written, Procopius' "The Secret History" claims to voice the untold story of the latter stages of Eastern Rome and it's swift degeneration, specifically under Justinian and Theodora. >This respected scholar and historian was no enemy of the Emperor and Empress - at least at the outset - and in fact was chosen by them to be the leading Byzantine court historian. He subsequently became the man responsible for documenting the Gothic wars, spearheaded by Eastern Rome's most famous and capable general of the day, Belisarius. >So explosive was the work, and so extreme were certain claims, that the entire work has been largely ignored - a serious mistake and injustice, in my view. >This video is a tribute to Procopius, his work, and all similar important histories quietly shuffled away or proactively hidden. One can't help but notice countless parallels with the collapse of Rome and our own degenerate, prideful, ignorant and forgetful age, and important related lessons.. let's not turn our heads. https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-secret-history-underground-dungeons,:e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PehCn_3kyw4

>>11871 Kek, off topic, but can't help but point out the even in ancient Rome, lusting over pre pubescent children was considered degenerate. Pedoanon and the "hurr durr use to be normal to marry 9-11 year olds" argument BTFO'd >Theodora was still too young to have intercourse with a man after the manner of women. But she satisfied the unnatural passions of certain wretches, even the vilest of slaves, who followed their masters to the theater and amused their leisure by this infamy. She remained for some time also in a brothel where she practiced the hateful form of vice -Procopius

>>11875 To contextualize your passage a bit more, two paragraphs earlier we learn of a man with three daughters, the oldest age seven. Theodora is the second oldest here, so younger than seven seemingly.

>>11876 It is not entirely clear, but I think you may be reading too much into what seems like a summary. I doubt the mother got remarried the day after the father had died. Also the previous paragraph reads "When these children reached the age of girlhood, their mother put them on the local stage" (assume he means the eldest has reached puberty but not Thedora as she is "still too young to know normal relations with a man") Clearly some time, perhaps years, has passed since the fathers death. Regardless it is clear he considers it vile for a prepubescent girl to be engaged in sex acts.

>>11885 Theodora*

>>2541 We know the origins of the White race, and we know it because of genetics, which is not hidden at all. Lemuria, atlantis, hyperborea is not where White people come from. White people are a mixture of ancient north eurasian, western hunter gatherer, caucasian hunter gatherer, and neolithic farmer mixtures that happened thousands of years ago. It's not a secret! You only say genetics might play a small supplementary part in this topic because you don't like the evidence that genetics gives, because it goes against a fantastical idea of our origins which you wish happened. And you also say it might play a small part in the thread because you like only some of the evidence that goes along with your incorrect view of history.

>>11892 Your bait is a failure.

>>11871 I'm glad that Asha covered this and educated many others on what happened during Justinian's regime. I already knew about Procopius' work and how it contain many things that were not covered by modern historian. When I first read his book I was so surprised at how his recordings contained parallels that we see wrong with today's civilizations. Justinian is the one of the most overrated emperor and whoredora is an example of why you should never put women like herself in power, unless you want to speed-run your nation into collapse. It's funny how right-cucks and christcucks are not willing to do any further research of their favorite saints and rulers outside of skimming through Wikipedia.

>>11892 >genetics We have already been over this dozens of times. There is absolutely zero reason to trust what scientists are saying here. Go back to your blog, Thuletide.

>>11907 This is not Thuletide, but some other troll. Thule belives in Hyperbroea and Altantis.

I'm a bit late on this topic so I have to ask; We've seen and heard about the presence of Whites in the Western part of that big lump of land modernly called China, but has anyone here talked about the group that lived in the Eastern tip of it, close to the shore and thus not too far from the top of Japan's territory? I remember this point was dealt with in an old thread on the former board but unfortunately I can't find it.

>>11913 Skim through the archive you might find something. https://archive.is/zdoWv We had talks of Whites being in Shangdong China. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t351070/ >The Linzi(Zibo) population of 500 B.C genetically match up to present-day European populations. >The Current Day population in Zibo are genetically closest to the Mongols, Japanese, and Koreans. >Shandong Province, Linzi was in Central Shandong. >The 2,500-year-old Linzi population clusters with the present-day European populations: Icelander, German, Finnish,Welsh, and Portuguese. Oddly, no Russians. and refer to here >>8554 and >>5250

>>11914 Forgot >>10108

>>11911 >Thule belives in Hyperbroea and Altantis. Do you know of any articles he wrote on this? The search function on his blog did not deliver any results on this.

>>11918 He used to talk about it a-lot on his Twitter I think before he started following STJ around. His old accounts got deleted which contained some posts and reposts referring to both Hyperborea and Altantis. I think he still believes and talks about them, but most of his attention is on DNA talks of our origins.

>>11921 > I think before he started following STJ around Many such cases!

>>11918 Also this is the only article I know of that refers to Hyperborea. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/05/12/new-pdf-on-the-dark-age-by-julius-evola/

I think Thule is in the process of basing himself up and closing the gap. Overall his content is quite good despite a very few slips. >>11914 That's it's many thanks! You're most excellent. We need to talk about this one for what it implies regarding the technology, myths and philosophy that emerged in that region and a bit beyond it during those ages.>>11914

>>11907 >There is absolutely zero reason to trust what scientists are saying here Science isn't a democracy, some scientists are right, some are wrong, some are right about many things and some are wrong about a few. But, the scientific method has been the best way about discovering things of our world, it has been proven time and time again. Do not be foolish, and actually learn the theories and the evidence for them, rather than believing in whatever serves your own ego, like a nigger.

>>11928 If I have no way to trust the veracity of their claims, I have little reason to believe them. The scientific method is a woefully limited way to seek truth, and is not the only way to do so.

>>11925 >We need to talk about this one for what it implies regarding the technology, myths and philosophy that emerged in that region and a bit beyond it during those ages I would enjoy this as well. I personally believe that both Japan and China have been civilizations of both Sino and Indo-European influences. Japan seems to be closer to being that of the case, considering they talk and speak like Aryans. >>11928 Go be an attentionwhore elsewhere.

>>11930 These reddit tier memes are embarrassing. We're being invaded.

>>11933 >Tor-fagging This is getting pathetic now.

>>11933 Says the fag who just hopped on Tor

>>11932 >Go be an attentionwhore elsewhere. Yet his point is correct. No all scientists are academics on ZOG's payroll. Hitler had great faith in science. I don't think anons here would be supportive of (((zionce))) though. >>11935 Geez, please calm down, I am the one who asked for the old data and thanked you. I find these "soy" memes repulsive and contrary to right wing memes, not particularly well thought out.

>>11936 >torposter hates torposter for being a torposter Right.

>>11928 >Science isn't a democracy Science today only validates and reinforces democracy and its ethos. Science is not wholly objective, especially when kikes, niggers and women are controling it. >some scientists are right, some are wrong, some are right about many things and some are wrong about a few. And scientists are wrong about our origins and are lying. Out Of Africa is nonsense and despite it being debunked, our labcoats today still insists it is scientific and correct. You're not making a point here, just proving that you are here to shit up this thread for no reason. >>11937 >Yet his Lol dude cut the shit you're a nigger for trying.

>>11938 I've been consistently on Tor, you're the one who jumped on to support your other ID

>>11930 How is it a limited way to seek truth

>>11937 >Yet his point is correct You mean you think your point is correct. Because he's not making a point and nothing hr says is true. Most of the people handling the DNA tests are confirmed to be shitlibs and jews.

>>11939 >Science today only validates and reinforces democracy and its ethos. Not all science. What's so hard to understand here? Or am I missing a terrible attempt at derailing the thread? >>11939 >Lol dude cut the shit you're a nigger for trying. What the... what's your point? >>11940 >I've been consistently on Tor, you're the one who jumped on to support your other ID How do you know that for sure? Quit the paranoia. If you have a problem with the other anon's claim, just blast it with arguments, that would seem fair between us, right?

>>11942 On this specific point, that is, private DNA testing, I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure all the labs in the world involved in DNA sequencing are part of the cabal. One quick example: The team that sampled Tutankhamun's genotype, which proved he was of European descent, but which Zahi Hawass tried to censor, were not trying to jew us. Same with all those scientists who looked into the haplogroups and provided data supportive of our cause. >>11945 >Most science today is controlled by liberals, moron. Good, you went from "science today only validates... democracy" to "most science." We're getting somewhere. >Because you are the only shill here within this thread defending (((DNA tests))) with a (1) and torfag. I objected to a claim about the entirety of science. >>11945 >>11948 >Exact same message, literally two different IPs. >screencap, just in case Gotcha.

>>11939 > just proving that you are here to shit up this thread for no reason the fuck is wrong with you. You're so irritated just because of an opinion you disagree with. I'm not shitting up the thread at all, i'm explaining my point of view, and have been treating people with due respect. And science is objective, scientists are not always objective. How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. >>11942 Why would shitlibs and jews give evidence for race being a biological reality. Why would they prove the aryan invasion theory, or why would they prove through genetics many of the things hitler talked about with the aryan race. A lot of geneticists give us evidence which shed positive light on our race, only people who believe in redheaded giants, root races, and White people coming from the center of the earth are unsatisfied with it, and call it kikery when there is no scientific evidence for what they believe in. >>11945 kek, believe me, i'm not samefagging, it's actually my first day visiting this image board. And david reich did research in india that gave evidence for Whites invading it. Thank you zog.

>>11941 Scientific methods cannot provide infallible truth, only varying levels of probability that something may be so. Science is merely the testing of ideas in the natural world with evidence gained from the natural world. Science can't make moral judgements, it's solely descriptive. Science can't make aesthetic judgements, science doesn't tell us how to apply the results of science, science doesn't study beyond Nature. The inductive methods of science Science is built on the foundation that Nature is uniform and unchanging in certain constants. One will probably say that Nature has always exhibited this sort of uniformity in our past experience, so it will be the same in the future. This inference is only justified on the assumption that the future will resemble the past. But does the future always resemble the past? The answer is of course 'no'. And the inference itself is circular, assuming what it seeks to prove, namely that the future resembles the past. The future will resemble the past...because in the past the future has resembled the past... there's no rational reason to believe this. Science is fruitless endeavor and a secondary form of knowledge. All the ancient Aryans acknowledged this. A society which worships and lauds natural science above all else quickly tumbles into degeneracy.

>>11952 > it's actually my first day visiting this image board. Lurk more, faggot

>>11943 >Not all science Science today is controlled by liberals and cuckservatives. Look up who's coming out with DNA tests every year. (((David Reich))) is one of them along with his leading genectists at (((Harvard))), which is ZOG FUNDED AND RAN BY JEWS. I understand what you are sayinh as clear as day. You aren't convicing anyone that you and your samefag is correct. >How do you know that for sure Because you are the only shill here within this thread derailing and defending (((DNA tests))) with a (1) and torfag. >>11949 >On this specific point, that is, private DNA testing I don't care, what makes it less Judaic? >The team that sampled Tutankhamun's genotype, which proved he was of European descent And rememeber they destroyed the career of the woman who confirmed that the Pharohs and nobility were Europeans. Again you are not making a point here. You are taking one case where they support our views of Whites across the world and thinking it has anything to do with the same morons who are religiously trying to debunk it as they shit on Plato and Herodotus' work as fiction. The claim that Hyperborea doesn't exist is Judaic and you clearly support this "science" like a retard. >Good, you went from "science today only validates... democracy" to "most science No didn't...Do you suffer from brain-damage? >>Exact same message, literally two different IPs. >>screencap, just in case >Gotcha I'm not the same anon, so I don't know why I had his ID, but funny how the other ID poster didn't show up yet and it's now only the tor samefag.

>>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. Confirmed kike.

>>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. This is both vague and retarded. Let's say you aren't a jew or shill. This line of a sentence only confirms that you are a newfag and are the cattle invading our board.

>>11954 l am not a faggot, sir >>11953 It's really strange for me to be reading this. What do you mean natural world? And nature in general, because it doesn't fit that well in a description of science. Science is most accurately described as the study of the universe. There are laws that are followed, which is what l think you mean by unchanging constants, but science is not built on them, some theories are, or a lot. And if those laws are proven to be wrong, they change, pretty flexible. So this idea that science is stagnate and clings to the past is pretty wrong, because the past shows that science can change, and it can change a lot. And we're not talking about philosophy and the aesthetics of something, we're talking about the ancestral history of a race. Talking about morality and whether or not something is pleasing to the eye adds a lot of strangeness to your post. >>11957 It's a direct question. And l suppose l am invading your board, sorry if l make you uncomfortable.

>>11954 Good lord, and some people wonder why our numbers don't even grow. >>11955 >RED SHIT RED SHIT and (((jewjewjewjewjew))) >Same post (x3), moved back to former IP Dude, please. >>11955 >I don't care, what makes it less Judaic? How is it Judaic? >>11955 >And rememeber they destroyed the career of the woman who confirmed that the Pharohs and nobility were Europeans But the sampling was made nonetheless. >You are taking one case where they support our views of Whites across the world and thinking it has anything to do with the same morons who are religiously trying to debunk it as they shit on Plato and Herodotus' work as fiction. The claim that Hyperborea doesn't exist is Judaic and you clearly support this "science" like a retard. If you could just calm down one minute you would perhaps understand, dear anon, that I'm not interested in supporting the ZOG's relentless destruction of our true legacy. >No didn't...Do you suffer from brain-damage? We have your two posts to read. Denial is a thing really but I'll drop this for the sake of this thread because this is not going to end well otherwise, and I'd rather have you chill and use a bit less caps'n'cols. >>11952 >How is out of africa debunked as well. I have had like 2 conversations with people about this and they haven't been that good or convincing in arguing that OOA is untrue. Presumably one or two skeletons much closer to homo sapiens were found in Eurasia and that's it. This requires accepting evolution though. The OOA might not be totally false but kikes have twisted it to mean we were all nogs and sheyeet before turning getting bleached at higher latitudes. It's overall rather fruitless because I don't think we've found any remains of Whites even going that far back, anywhere on this planet. (Assuming no rats are hiding such facts somewhere in a warehouse.)

>>11958 >Science is most accurately described as the study of the universe. Yeah, the natural world, retard. >but science is not built on them, some theories are, or a lot. If there were no constants in nature, it would be unintelligible and any understanding of it impossible. Science is built on them. >So this idea that science is stagnate and clings to the past is pretty wrong Literally not claimed. You have awful reading comprehension.

>>11960 I must say, the average post quality on this board has dropped significantly since its former iteration got nuked. I barely see point posting here any more as we're spending more time filtering bs than getting access to good content.

>>11958 >It's a direct question. It's a stupid question that proves you have a redditor's mindset or just came here to derail the thread. OOA has already been disproven due to the missing chromosomes found in Africans that are not present in Europeans and Asians, nor within their ancestors. There is also evidence that the oldest hominids were found outside of Africa such as Asia and possibly Europe and North America. The oldest hominids being founf in Africa first was the only thing that could prove OOA happened and that fell apart when they've found the niggers own ancestors in other parts of the world and that Europeans were nothing like them. Your question proves you have no right being here and should return to plebbit, especially when you refuse to lurk.

>>11961 It's pretty much the same quality as always if you look at old archives. We do have newfags shit up threads like this occasionally though. Just report it and it will probably be cleaned up quickly.

>>11959 You have to go back

>>11960 The natural world isn't the universe, we study stars, and radiation across the universe, and that isn't in the natural world. Could you tell me what you mean by constants, like mathematical laws? I would understand better if you gave some examples. And sorry for misreading you. >>11959 Of course we weren't black in africa, but pertaining to the primate outside of eurasia being closer to humans longer ago, l believe the evidence was just that the teeth were similar. From a primate found in greece, which is something but limited evidence. >>11962 I have never heard this before, but it sounds so completely wrong that l think you mistyped or something. Africans and Whites 100% have 46 chromosomes. We do not differ in chromosome amount unless someone suffers from down syndrome.

>>11959 >red shit You are absolute moron. Is Harvard and Reich not jewish? Is Harvard not owned by zog? Otherwise you have no arguments and are just being a sperg. >How is making shit up and lying about our origins and all of this "research" being in the hands our enemies Judaic? You gotta wonder. >But the sampling was made nonetheless. Just barely. It was just barely made and confirmed and they're still trying to downplay it. No points, no arguments, very typical of a shill. >We have your two posts to read. Denial is a thing really but I'll drop this for the sake of this thread No, I never denied anything. Most science represents and generalizes science. I'm sorry that your nigger brain cannot comprehend meanings.

>>11965 >The natural world isn't the universe, we study stars, and radiation across the universe, and that isn't in the natural world Yes it is. The natural world is everything not explicitly made by humans and exists apart from us. You are being pedantic as fuck > Could you tell me what you mean by constants, like mathematical laws? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law

>>11965 >I have never heard this before As expected. >but it sounds so completely wrong that l think you mistyped or something. No it is not, and I'm talking about how many chromosomes we have, I'm talking about the specfic genome that scientists use to differate and understand a person's geneaology. The thing that confirms you are a descendant of a specific parent and group. Just stop posting and your tor samefag is obvious.

>>11969 no you did mistype. I was thinking actually a bit if you meant haplogroups instead of chromosomes. A haplogroup is not a chromosome, it is a small part of the mitocondrial dna or the y chromosome dna which descends from father to son (y chromosome) and mother to children (mitocondrial). The reason why people give a shit about this is because that part of those 2 sections of the genetics of a person mutates very slowly, which gives a good idea of human migration.

>>11969 I'm retard posting here, I meant I'm not talking about the amount of chromosomes.

>>11974 oh okay, i'll look into the image's claim in due time.

>>11967 oh okay, so you meant laws. But l still don't think laws are involved in every theory, or built science. For example, is there any example of laws about the theory of evolution?

>>11977 Take this shit to the Aryan science thread and stop samefagging and derailing this one.

>>11978 l swear to god i'm not same fagging

>>11952 >And david reich did research in india that gave evidence for Whites invading it. Reich was not the one who created the Aryan invasion hypothesis. He changed his perspective years after and claims it was not an invasion, but just a migration. He also used evidence from 19th and 20th century researchers to talk about the Aryans within India. The research was begun by Anglos and other jesuits who found similarities between modern European lanaugages and the Sanskirt. We also have the Rigvedas which solidifies that there was an invasion by the Indo-Europeans. >>11980 This line does not convince me. >Yet his point is correct. No all scientists are academics on ZOG's payroll. Hitler had great faith in science.

>>11977 > For example, is there any example of laws about the theory of evolution? Evolution is a hoax. Plus, this doesn't belong in this thread.

>>11983 OKay... Did we come from adam and eve? >>11982 You don't have to lecture me. I already know it, l said he gave evidence for Whites invading it, not that he came up with the idea of it. How can l prove that l am not samefagging? And l don't like hitler.

>>11985 >Did we come from adam and eve? I'm not a Christian. >And l don't like hitler. Are you White? Be honest.

>>11969 Been looking into it. And l cannot debunk his claims, because the subject matter has gotten too complicated for me. But i've researched the authors, and both of them aren't geneticists, and they seem to get a lot of scrutiny for this study. And the lead author believes that humans came from north russia. Mentioning incase it means something to you.

>>11986 Yes, but you might not consider serbians White. Then where did humans come from?

>>11985 Take this to the science thread or I'm going to report you as a shill. Last chance.

Please take anything not having to do with the history of the White race explicitly to the Aryan science thread: >>2551 >>2551 >>2551

I'll just leave this here >>11988 There are some decent Serbians but the majority of modern ones are gypsy-kike and Turk tier. While they vary genetically from person to person (you'll find more and less White looking ones), their mentality is non-White. But it's more a result of gradually being twisted and turned into Orcs. Original Serbs were as White as any other Europeans. t. living in that shithole

Since Asha Logos has been mentioned, I want to talk about his great videos on the Oera Linda. It is rather disappointing that this board has not talk much about the Oera Linda and some of its content. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rYT_WugMLoY https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XujB_NhKTy4 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gvt5jJnMruc I also hope you anons can keep this thread alive with more information about Whites within East Asia.

>>11995 I'm diaspora, hopefully you may ascend to our level one day, and live in the light. Serbs are basically 'as' White as northern italians, even though we have darker pigmentation than them. It's not because of turks and gyps, but because we're half slavic invaders and half native balkan. Some of us look nonWhite, depending on your definition, especially torlaks, but those are just alleles at work mostly, not much bearing on genetic differences within serbs. A blond haired blue eyed greek will always be closer to a swarthy greek compared to a serb or bulgarian even.

>>11966 >You are absolute moron. Is Harvard and Reich not jewish? Is Harvard not owned by zog? Otherwise you have no arguments and are just being a sperg. No, I'm just tired with you abusing special format and reposting the same point verbatim when I already explained my position, even agreed with some of what you said, and overall were just asking if you could calm down. >>How is making shit up and lying about our origins and all of this "research" being in the hands our enemies Judaic? >You gotta wonder. Again, how is the principle of scientific DNA testing judaic in itself? What you say is retarded. It's like saying anytime we use science it's Jewish. No, not all science used to be jewed and some of it still remains fairly sound, but we need to filter things a lot. >Just barely. It was just barely made and confirmed and they're still trying to downplay it. No points, no arguments, very typical of a shill. No, not barely. It was made, period. Now that other semitic shitbag of Hawass tried to block it but it was smartly inserted into a few frames in the documentary, in the corner of the screen. He and (((they))) got mad. >No, I never denied anything. Most science represents and generalizes science. I'm sorry that your nigger brain cannot comprehend meanings. My nigger brain remembers very well that you started by condemning all of science, then in the next post after my remark proceeded to say "most of science", just like you did above. Our resources are rather small but when we have elements working on our side we shouldn't spit on them because of wide scathing accusations. I'm saying, be measured. I'm not denying the Jewish involvement and funding.

>>11969 This data was just comparing nigger DNA and European DNA. Oh big surprise, they found no correlation. This does in no way mean that Whites might have not occupied a large part of Africa a long time ago. But as I said earlier, the era that's concerned goes well over the oldest bone of White Cromagnon/H.S.S. ever found as far as I'm aware. Now, there is more logic in Whites having evolved in a place where the sun was less intense.

>>12001 >Oera Linda Dunno, some bits sound very Christian though, like for example that part about kneeling to pray God. Did our ancestors ever kneel for their prayers or rituals?

>>12008 Prayer works - and it has a long history in almost every religious tradition, pagan or otherwise.

>>12006 Take your shit to the Aryan science thread. >>12007 >This data was just comparing nigger DNA and European DNA. Which proved that Europeans did not come from the ancient ancestor of Africans. You aren't very bright and it clearly shows. >This does in no way mean that Whites might have not occupied a large part of Africa a long time ago. No it actually does prove this, because there has been no decisive reports from geneticists or anything that can prove that Whites first lived in Africa and came all the way to Europe. There would have to been an explanation for the lack of admixture within all Europeans and ancient Africans that align both Whites and Negroes together. You're making petty excuses and are the type of cattle who goes on r/science and believes in every article fed to him. It seems you want us to be from Africa to justify materialism. It is very Judaic that you deny Hyperborea as our homeland. >But as I said earlier, the era that's concerned goes well over the oldest bone of White Cromagnon/H.S.S. ever found as far as I'm aware. Now, there is more logic in Whites having evolved in a place where the sun was less intense. Evolution is a hoax and the oldest Whites have only been found in Europe and Eurasia if we believe in what modern scientists say. There is no reason to affirm that we come from Africa, so drop the shit or go back to reddit. >>12008 >Dunno, some bits sound very Christian though, like for example that part about kneeling to pray God Again you're just plainly stupid.

>>12004 You have no idea how fortunate you are. I'm mostly Dinaric myself, which have strong Cro-Magnon features despite some swarthy characteristics. But you may notice a difference between people, even on an individual level. Serbs are very genetically diverse, and it's even noticeable in different regions regardless of how small the country is. Anyway, I'm far from the ideal of Whiteness, but it's mostly the mentality that annoys me. Which is the result of communism more than anything. >A blond haired blue eyed greek will always be closer to a swarthy greek compared to a serb or bulgarian even True, but in genetics it's small differences that make visible differences. And it's far more than just skin/eye color. Ashkenazis are very "White" looking.

>>12012 There is only a small amount of genetics research on serbs, mainly because it's harder to do studies on us because serbia isn't within the EU. And what basically matters is your overall genetics, which your looks cannot tell you everything about. Jews in particular pass as White, even moreso than serbs l would say, but they are genetically very different, they are in between middle easterners and europeans, overlapping with sicillians. You can search up european pca graphs to get a good idea with the differences of europeans genetically.

>>12006 >No, I'm just tired with you abusing special format and reposting the same point verbatim He wasn't abusing it, he was emphasizing the important fact of why you shouldn't trust them. Something your eyes and brain should note, so this post statement here is just nothing, but spergy. >Again, how is the principle of scientific DNA testing judaic in itself? Because DNA testing has only shown and validate kikes and their usual talking points. Every research they came out with has only reinforced and can be used to argue against Whites being from and creating their own homeland and culture without West Asians, who they deem as the creators of everything. Most DNA tests comes from (((Harvard))), an university filled with niggers, liberals and jews, which you should already know isn't going to be very honest and scientific. Most of the DNA testing reports that come out each year comes from morons like (((David Reich))) who constantly changes his views for his tribe's biases. Reminder that he asserts within his own book that we are not pure and that anyone person can simply develop a high-culture if you work "hard". Refusing to acknowledge that niggers never built their own high-culture for centuries until foreign contacts. There is no reason to trust DNA testing if it is done by the people who refuse to acknowledge that their liberal stances are wrong and can merely continue to uphold them as objective knowledge. >My nigger brain remembers very well that you started by condemning all of science, Your nigger brain doesn't remember anything, because anon never said all of science. We support Aryan science and truth, not information that seeks to destroy us and invalidate our ancestor's tellings. >Our resources are rather small but when we have elements working on our side we shouldn't spit on them because of wide scathing accusations. No we do not, and our resources aren't small that is what you want to believe, because they told you that. We already gave you reasons why we refuse to accept their lies and disinformation. >I'm not denying the Jewish involvement and funding. But you are accepting of Jews telling us we came from and who we are. This is the thought of a midwit.

>>12014 would you say that it is possible for something to be true in terms of genetics and also go against a pro aryan narrative.

>Quality thread completely derailed by one niggerfaggot nice

>>11932 >Japan seems to be closer to being that That would most likely be from the Jomon/Ainu people, who inhabited Japan prior to the Yayoi people, who look more East Asian. Wikipedia says modern Japanese have on average 20% Jomon DNA

I'm back and unfortunately I cannot find any more info on Whites in East Asia. So you anons are going to have to find it yourselves, because the Jew either took it all down or the information just does not exist at moment. >>11955 >Oera Linda I surprised that we never talked about this book. I still haven't given it a read even though Asha Logos talked about it a-lot and made it seem something so worthy of putting time into it. Should we bring up it and give it a look at and see if it could lead to more information? >>12007 I hate to bring this topic back up, but there literally exist no evidence that we came from Africa. To believe that we came from there downplays what our ancestors knew and believed, which is something both Christcucks and Jews want, so I don't know why you're so accepting of this if you truly are a NatSoc. There exist no legit evidence that Europeans and the rest of humanity came from one place and a common ancestor. While I do not believe in evolution, I am more inclined to believe that we evolved from our respective lands, or at-least Whites did, not to denounce any other races or anything.

>>12428 >While I do not believe in evolution, I am more inclined to believe that we evolved from our respective lands, or at-least Whites did, not to denounce any other races or anything. Whites are probably closer to the form of the primordial man than non-Whites is my thinking. Why are Whites seen as objectively more beautiful by people of all races? Because they most embody the archetype or Idea of the human being. The other races have degenerated away from this archetypal perfection. Whites might have even degenerated a bit themselves (our ancestors were far greater than we are), but we are still far above the other races. While evolution is of course a massive hoax, adaptation and altered gene expressions in different environments are not - and since non-Whites were long subject to the conditions of Nature to a greater extent than Whites, Nature has selected for gene expressions which fit them better to their environments, leading to degenerate, less-than-perfect forms.

>>2541 Just look up Indo-Europeans, you retard.

>>14660 >reddit-spacing What is the point of this post? Everyone and their mother knows of the Indo-Europeans. What we are learning in this thread, is that White people go far beyond just Indo-Europeans. It's worth pointing out the obvious too that posting scholarly information about how Indo-European languages spread doesn't necessarily imply a total replacement of the native people of a place with Indo-Europeans (in the ethnic sense). For example, it seems as if a good chunk of European genetics today even is probably composed of pre-Indo-European tribes whose languages gradually shifted to that of Indo-European groups which diffused into the area.

>>12428 The few bits I read of it had at times vibes of a Christian mindset and particularly that of fear and rampant humility towards God. It's still on my list of readings to complete but I'm not sure what could be exciting about it. It's more of an intellectual curiosity that needs to be satiated and in the process might even lead me to be pleasantly surprised as my hopes are not high at all. Yes, I know, Himmler blah blah. As for Africa, maybe a whole branch settled there for a long time, but as far as Aryan scientific research goes, we're given a central Eurasian origin within the last ten thousand years, and then less academic considerations have us spread from Atlantis, west of Europe, spreading across Eurasia and North Africa, with other few isolated and lost groups barely making it in South America. Previous to that, Atlantis seems to have been a reconstruction of another lost group that lived in the Arctic area at a time when, spectacularly enough, weather was mild and suited for life. This however is just pushing further back the geographical origins of what could be considered the primary White tribes, but it doesn't say much about how we actually came to be on this world unless we look into theories which will not be taken seriously by a lot of people, and will hardly be proven true anyway because of a conspicuous dearth of evidence.

>The Yaghnobit people originated from the Sogd, a people dominant in the area until the Muslim conquests in the 8th century when Sogd was defeated. In that period Yaghnobits settled in the high valleys. >The ancient Sogd fled to the Yaghnobdara Valley to escape the medieval Arab Caliphate, and their direct descendants, the Yaghnobit, lived there in peaceful isolation until the 1820s. >Until the 20th century the Yaghnobits lived through their natural economy and some still do, as the area they originally inhabited is still remote from roads and power transmission lines. The first contact with Soviet Union in the 1930s during the Great Purge, led to many Yaghnobits being exiled, but perhaps the most traumatic events were the forced resettlement in 1957 and 1970, from the Yaghnob mountains to the semi-desert lowlands of Tajikistan. >In the 1970s, Red Army helicopters were sent to valleys to evacuate the population, ostensibly because Yaghnobit kishlaks (villages) were considered at risk from avalanches. Some Yaghnobits reportedly died of shock in helicopters as they were moved to the plains. Many were then forced to work at cotton plantations on the plains. As a result of overwork and the change in environment and lifestyle, several hundred Yaghnobits died of disease. While some Yaghnobits rebelled and returned to the mountains, the Soviet government demolished the empty villages and the largest village on the Yaghnob River, Piskon, was removed from official maps. Officials also destroyed Yaghnobit religious books, the oldest of which was 600 years old. Yaghnobit ethnicity was officially abolished by the Soviet government. >Since 1983, families have begun to return to the Yaghnob Valley. The majority of those that remain on the plains tend to be assimilated with the Tajiks, as their children study in school in the Tajik language. The returnees live through the natural economy, and the majority remain without roads and electricity. >The Yaghnob Valley comprises approximately ten settlements, each housing between three and eight families. There are other small settlements elsewhere. The upper Yaghnob River Valley was protected by an until recently almost impenetrable gorge. They also live in and about the Amu Darya River, the Yaghnob River, the Yaghnob Valley, the Qul River, the Varzob rivers and the town of Anzob.

>>15880 Wow, it sure seems like the Soviets really wanted to hammer down on them as hard as possible. I wonder why that could be!

>>12026 I think the Jomon were just Australoids who didn't face the effects of the ice age like mainland Asia did while getting their skin bleached due to their location.

Bump >>12020 >Lü Bu has Green-eyes This doesn't come as a surprise, because it was said that he lived outside of China and somewhere close to ancient Mongolia and east of Central Asia and both of these regions are reported to have blonde and red-haired with blue or green-eyed Aryans along with the Tarim Basin. Do you happened to have a link to the poem itself or any more that refers to Whites living in Asia? >>14660 Cry more, Indo-Europeans traveled and lived all across the world and we have evidence that Whites assimilated or created non Indo-European languages and cultures outside of Europe as well. >>12015 Anything that goes against Aryans is inherently false, period. I've seen a common type of people who strongly believe in genetic sciences are also the ones who to kvetch at Nordicism, which are usually leftoids/Jews or right-wingers/reactionary christcucks, because it does not appeal to Christian or secular universalism (muh nigs can be as well-adjusted as Whites). While Thuletide himself has admitted to being a pagan on Twitter he clearly has either converted back to Christianity or at-least advocates a psuedo form of it which is why he and STJ, another psuedo-pagan, trust most of what American universities have to say. But we have to remind ourselves that these nimrods are also Anglo shills and unironically think the British Empire was protecting Whites and Europe, even though it was ran by Jewish cartels and the Anglos were the ones who started and spread White-Israelism which started the growth of Zionism across Europe, despite hating actual Jews. >>15958 >muh australoids The Jomons don't look anything like them. The likely case is that they are mutts, selective breeding and muh mutations are even more unlikely and holds no evidence that certain genes just simply pop-up out of nowhere especially for White skin. There are only claims and theories that it happened over physical evidence.

>>16488 >I've seen a common type of people who strongly believe in genetic sciences are also the ones who to kvetch at Nordicism Of course. I don't think Nordicism is or ever can be critiqued from any sort of neutral or disinterested standpoint. As you say, it comes almost exclusively from crowds that wish Nordicism wasn't true. All of its proponents think that they can just ignore all historiography in researching the past. If they were to take note of it, their neat little artificial picture of the past would totally collapse.

>>16490 >If they were to take note of it, their neat little artificial picture of the past would totally collapse. Not only that, Jewish science and egalitarian ideologies would been recognized to have no meaning or truths, because the National Socialists would be acknowledged by even normalfags, in everything or most of what they said to have been true. The total erdication of Judaism and its goal to take over the world.

>>16491 Yeah, that's right. The entire purpose of modern science, believe it or not, is demoralization and psychological warfare against the populace, not to mention serving as a replacement for religion (everyone is aware of this last point, of course, it is undeniable post-2020). Exposing Jewish science is actually one of the most important tasks that there is, because it breaks their most powerful control mechanism today and opens up limitless possibilities. Destroy the foundations, break the conditioning.

>>16493 >jewish science It's not science. Jews don't own the scientific method or natural science (they would love for us to believe that). Call it what it is, the technocratic religion of "scientism".

>>16497 Science is ultimately an inferior system of knowledge that is essentially a fruitless endeavor by itself, because some of its axioms are not even substantiated. It has its place, though.

Brian Foerster's new presentation about elongated skulls in Peru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56TrKNDHVU8

Don't know if this pdf has been posted yet, but here are more connections between the Indo-Europeans and Chinese. <Unlike the Yangshao and Hemudu people, who came from southern China, the Huang Di nation came from west of China, from the western part of the Eurasian continent. They conquered the native people of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River, who possessed a developed agricultural culture. By combining their own imported cultural factors with those of the native culture, the Huang Di people gradually developed a splendid new civilization in the Xia, Shang, and Zhou dynasties. They superseded the original native people to take the leading role on the stage of Chinese history. That the Huang Di nation was a branch of the archaic Indo-European people is one of the most remarkable facts thus far known to human history. But a large number of Indo-European words in Old Chinese language clearly attest to this fact. The relics left by the Huang Di people are related to the Longshan Culture in the archaeological chronicle, and the civilization of the Xia, Shang, Zhou, and Qin秦 dynasties were its successors. <Evidence for this claim comes from two sources: the first uses the evidence of ancient documents to show that the Zhou people, and thus the Yellow Emperor’s nation, were originally a nomadic people, and the second is to reveal that there were a large number of Indo-European words in the Zhou language, using the evidence of historical linguistics. The third is the similarity in religion between the Huang Di people and Proto-Indo-European <By the evidence of historical linguistics and archaeology, the Aegean Sea civilization and the Hellenic civilization, the Indus Valley civilization and the Ancient Indian civilization, the Hattic civilization and Hittite civilization, were all pairs in which the latter conquered the former and formed their new civilizations. In addition, all these conquerors were prehistoric Indo-European people (about 2000-1200 BC). Just as with these, Chinese civilization went through cultural collision in early ancient times. The European people from the west of the central Asian steppe brought new cultural components to the Yellow River valley in about 2300 BC. They combined their advanced techniques, such as bronze metallurgy, metal tools and arms, and chariot and tamed horses, with the native developed agricultural culture in the area of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River. This combination grew into the splendid civilizations of the Xia, Shang, and Zhou dynasties. Contrary to the popular viewpoint that “the Yellow River civilization had an independent history,” it was actually a syncretized one. <Mencius mentioned even that King Wen of Zhou had ancestries from the "western barbarians" (西夷) <7th-century scholar Yan Shigu made these remarks about the Indo-European-speaking Wusuns: "Among the various Rong tribes in the Western Regions, the Wusun's shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have green eyes and red hair, and are like a macaque, belonged to the same race as the Wusun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xirong

>>17297 >>17297 Also interesting <So in these ancient documents, we can see only that the beginning of Chinese agriculture was in 2100 BC, the period of Yao, Shun, and Yu, who were all the great leaders of the Yellow Emperor’s nation. Field agriculture was said to have been started by the Zhou people. So here we have, if the author is correct, the beginnings of Chinese agriculture coming from Aryans, and thus by extension their entire civilization, because agriculture, of course, is the foundation of civilization as we know it. Also interesting is the term Huang Di itself: >Until 221 BCE when Qin Shi Huang of the Qin dynasty coined the title huangdi (皇帝) – conventionally translated as "emperor" – to refer to himself, the character di 帝 did not refer to earthly rulers but to the highest god of the Shang dynasty (c. 1600–1046 BCE) pantheon >The character huang 黃 ("yellow") was often used in place of the homophonous huang 皇, which means "august" (in the sense of 'distinguished') or "radiant", giving Huangdi attributes close to those of Shangdi, the Shang supreme god Even today, apparently, the homophonous term Huang di (皇帝) is used as a generic term for 'emperor' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Emperor#Names Also <The three Huang (皇, OC:*‍ɢʷˤaŋ, "august, sovereign") were godly rulers credited with feats like ordering the sky and forming the first humans out of clay; the five Di (帝, OC:*‍tˤeks, also often translated as "emperor" but also meaning "the God of Heaven"[note 2]) were cultural heroes credited with the invention of agriculture, clothing, astrology, music, etc. In the 3rd century BCE, the two titles had not previously been used together. Because of the god-like powers of the Huang, the folk worship of the Di, and the latter's use in the name of the God of Heaven Shangdi, however, the First Emperor's title would have been understood as implying "The August Ancestor", "The Holy Ruler", or "The Divine Lord". On that account, some modern scholars translate the title as "thearch". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_of_China Seems like an example of more 'White gods' founding civilization.

What is the best thing for us to do with this information? Should it be compiled into a book? If people think that is a good idea, I could start compiling and writing a bit here soon. I think it could be a good fifty pages long at least with the info we have in this thread.

>>17757 >Should it be compiled into a book? Yes it should. Stuff like this are very popular among normalfags as Robert Sepehr proved.

>>17767 Looks like the pic is already posted >>5180 lemme just post some kino webms

>>17767 >Stuff like this are very popular among normalfags That was my basic intuition. I will get to work on this behind the scenes very soon and will bump this thread for any advice or questions. I might do it a section at a time and gradually add onto the document, I don't know.

>>17768 absolute kino

>>11871 >Video, Odysee, comments >@NordLuxBellator >Also it is funny how -the Khazars were turkic when Ar Khazar were (according to Arab travelers ) - red haired, blue eyed and with beautiful bodies and wild nature. And this is a description of 5the ruling class most likely - the Asena tribe. >@PrenticeAl >I hate to to rain on your parade brother but procopius was a jew. >I ordered the book to do history with my homeschooling boys. We read the whole book and it was so fantastical that I got skeptical. Did some research and 15 minutes later, confirmed. >Justinian was not friendly at all to jews. He represented the Rise of systematic government policy against them. >The ranting and raving is a huge tell tho. He says the same things several times, with varying levels of OY VEY! >Also please check out t.me/whatchadoinrabbibooks. You inspired it bro! > >@TheLandof420 > >https://www.jstor.org/stable/4434954 >According to this passage he was an outwardly observant Christian, or perhaps a crypto-pagan.. But nothing about being Jewish. Where do you get that from? .. I suppose because he was from Israel. But where you're from or born doesn't necessitate what you believe. Christian, potentially Israelite aka Jew. Final tally?

>>18044 Taking random comments from social media as counter evidence is the most retarded thing you can do. These comments are wrong, but it's obvious why, but I'm not going to derail a thread for some Christian faggot, so take this to the AA or Christian thread.

Just discovered something last night while reading Klaus Klostermaier's Survey of Hinduism. >The very important, and most probably very, Nārāyaṇiya section of the Mahābhārata tells us about the revelation of a religion of salvation given in ancient times to two sages, Nara and Nārada in Śveta-dvīpa, the White Island, situated to the north and inhabited by a race of White, wise beings, all of them worshipers of Nārāyaṇa. I will have to look for this in my copy of the Mahabharata later. It's a pain to dig through since it literally fills half the shelf of one of my bookshelves, but at least I have the section name.

>>18159 My knowledge of the Vedas is very poor, but if I remember correctly from what little I've had the chance to read Nārāyaņa is the ultimate reality and Vishnu is the avatar of the ultimate reality. So in essence, the inhabitants of the White Island worship God in his truest form without any limitations. The only thing they did is giving him a name. This reminds me of the fragmented Slavic mythology I have managed to find for my own interests in my people's old beliefs. There is a god, his name is Rod and he is the creator of all things. He birthed the other gods and spirits who then created humans. The other gods, like Perun, Morana, Svarog, etc. are his children in the sense that they came from Rod and are like him, but they are not him completely, only certain aspects of him. There are also 2 major gods which represent the forces of good and evil, they came out of Rod first. Bijelobog, the pure and good White god and Črnbog, the black and jealous god who seeks to destroy everything that exists. Those people, if they are even human, since they seem to me as something better and more pure than us, they seem to me to have the right idea about things. Why do I believe this hunch about them being right? I will explain: All what I have posted comes from me, an anon who has felt a deep connection with his people's old myths since birth and who has explored that feeling, but still not completely, I think. Upon exploration, I was blessed with a feeling like I was a shaman or a priest of some sort in my past life, in ancient, more divine times than what we have now. A pure world was once my home and in it I served God in all his forms along with service to my people, who are an extension of his divine and absolute state, since we were created by the gods according to old myths. I do not remember my old body much or my past life much, but I feel like my current form is pretty close to what I once dwelt in on earth and that some people I know right now are here with me to help this world return to that pure state of being connected and in tune with the divine. All that I have written in this paragraph comes only and purely from an inner source in me. All of this was revealed to me when I started asking myself why am I here and why is everything in the world so fucked. My wish now is to relearn those old traditions which have been lost to the ages.

>>17757 >What is the best thing for us to do with this information? Should it be compiled into a MEME Why yes, yes it should. >>17768 >>17781 Memes for the meme god and the Aeternal Aryan Awakening.

Update, I have found the section in the Mahabharata. It is located in the 322nd chapter of the Shanti Parva. The text is long and wordy like most Indian texts, so I'll be cutting some stuff out that is superfluous and inserting some things in parentheses occasionally: >"Having ascended into the sky with great force, he (Narada) suddenly descended on Meru's peak. For a short while, the sage remained in a solitary spot on the peak of that mountain. He then glanced towards the north-western direction and beheld an extraordinary site. There is an extensive region known as Shvetadvipa (White Island) to the north of the ocean of milk. The wise ones have said that it is thirty-two thousand yojanas (~256,000 miles) to the north of Meru. Those who dwell there are beyond any senses and do not eat. The men in Shveta have been cleansed of all sins. They uproot the eyes of men who perform wicked deeds. Their bodies and bones are as firm as the vajra and they are impartial towards respect and disrespect. They are divine in form and are marked with auspicious signs. Their heads are like umbrellas and their voices rumble like the clouds. Their feet bear the marks of four pushkaras and one hundred rajivas (types of blue lotuses). They possess sixty White teeth and eight smaller ones. They have many tongues and with these, they seem to lick the bright rays of the sun. They are devoted to the god from whom all the people in the universe, the Vedas, dharma, the sages, the tranquil gods, and all their offspring have been generated." Later in chapter 323: >To the north of the ocean of milk, there is the immensely radiant Shvetadvipa (White Island). The men there are as radiant as the moon and are devoted to Narayana. They worship Purushottama (the Supreme Person) with single-minded devotion. They enter the eternal god, who possesses one thousand rays. They are devoid of senses. They do not eat. They do not blink and they emit fragrant scents. Those men, who live in Shvetadvipa (White Island), worship one person alone [...] Interestingly when a group of people arrive at Shvetadvipa they are incapable of seeing the people who inhabit it until they advance in yoga: >At that time we again performed great austerities for another one hundred years. When we bathed at the end of the vow, we saw some extremely auspicious men. They were as fair as the moon and possessed all the auspicious signs [...] The radiance and resplendence of those men was like that of the sun that rises at the end of a yuga. We thought that energy alone resided in that region. No one was superior or inferior. All of them were equal in energy Then Narayana manifests with the radiance of a thousand suns rising simultaneously, and the men of the island worship in a single voice Narayana, with such power that it robs the onlookers of their strength, senses and sight, they can only hear invocations to Narayana. While it's a super interesting story, actually having found it shows that these are probably not really humans in the sense that we are familiar with at all given the descriptions. They are some sort of fair-skinned humanoid, probably of a more subtle or energetic nature. With the mention of the ocean of milk, it seems like these people would be placed somewhere around or between Mars and Jupiter if Dr. Richard Thompson's interpretations of Srimad Bhagavatam cosmology are correct. Entirely possible. Aryan-esque humanoids from outside of the Earth are not an uncommon report.

>>18254 >>18255 Some of these would be a lot better if they had music that fit the atmosphere better. >>18205 >My knowledge of the Vedas is very poor, but if I remember correctly from what little I've had the chance to read Nārāyaņa is the ultimate reality and Vishnu is the avatar of the ultimate reality. So in essence, the inhabitants of the White Island worship God in his truest form without any limitations It seems like you were essentially correct sense based off what I found here: >>18256 ! When it comes to Narayana versus Vishnu, it can be difficult to say what exactly is going on. They are two names for the same being as can be seen in the long litanies of hundreds of names for Vishnu in the Mahabharata and similar texts, but I don't think either of them are avatars proper in the same sense as Krishna or Rama. With what you say in the rest of your post, this certainly sounds like stuff that could be straight out of the Vedas. These people were onto something, I have no doubt.

>>18258 >if they had music that fit the atmosphere better. Then make some. It's kinda to appeal to the degenerates because if it was all high classical it would turn them off. Here's a few more of a different musical tonality, these more inspired and classic and [1/2]

>>18258 [2/2] And these more historical and documentarial.

>>18265 >>18263 I guess your explanation makes sense in that case. They are certainly of very good production quality.

>>18154 One, I wonder where you got the idea that I was a Christian. Second, the point still stands. At the end of the video, Ashalogos even attacks the Druid with a dubious comparison linking them to rabbis, after reporting the most outlandish parts of (((Procopius)))' works about floating demonic heads and faceless people, all with the dreadful ominous music to sell the shit like on some plebe tier TV cable program.

>>18205 >There are also 2 major gods which represent the forces of good and evil, they came out of Rod first. Bijelobog, the pure and good White god and Črnbog, the black and jealous god who seeks to destroy everything that exists. A likely Zoroastrian influence right there.

>>18361 >Ashalogos even attacks the Druid with a dubious comparison linking them to rabbis This is a shill narrative that (((some))) have been pushing on this board as well. It seems like Asha Logos might be furthering the belief in this. I wonder what his end-game is.

>>18256 As always with names and values one should seek relations on both esoteric and material sides (for example, in the original text, a given word might have far more sense than its mere translation if one is aware of such rich links). Nevertheless, there is some downright spooky stuff too >no senses >worship 24/7 I would ask if that is worth the trade tbh. Please think about it for a moment. These beings are essentially tube-fed some "divine" light constantly but how is this any different, in principle, to being stuck on a bed, comatose, attended to and fed by tubes too? There is no sense of adventure or danger, no meaningful dharma. That's nigger-tier free gibs, only moved up to a higher realm. It is like a blissful illusion, a certain prison of which the fundamental tenet is not so different from what is wished for in the most basic Christian hope.

>>18364 CO maybe for people into alt-history and perhaps metaphysics? We tend to reach such levels of awareness that we can see through such materials that fool a lot of people as it seems 99% of the wrapping is only used as a Trojan Horse to inject that very important 1% of (((lie))). It is like those documentaries that seem to be useful but always have to cram some shit about the suffering Jews or the Lolocaust.

>>18365 The people on the island are in the highest stage of bhakti (devotion), which is prapatti (self-surrender). This is the message of the Bhagavad Gita as well, which teaches that every action in one's life ought to be done as an act of devotion or a sacrifice for Krishna, with no concern for the fruits, culminating in a loving surrender to Krishna, who is the beginning and end of all existence and the source of our very being. >no meaningful dharma. Krishna / Narayana is the source of dharma and indeed dharma is one of his one-thousand names. In the sense that Narayana would be the final cause of all existence, all dharma would only be meaningful insofar as they lead back to him.

>>18363 Perhaps. It's not impossible considering the Tanais boards. In those records, there is a name which is very simmilar to how Croatians call themselves. My personal theory is that my ancestors were one of the Aryan tribes who went on into the eastern parts of the world. After spreading their influence to India, they returned to Europe and settled behind the Carpathes with other Slavic tribes before eventually coming to where we are now. Archeologists even found Croatian-style stone ornaments near that place where they recovered the stone boards. >>18258 Those 2 gods created the world. The Black god suggested to create the world to the White god. Then the Black god dove into the sea and picked up dust from the bottom and he gave it to the White god who spread out the dust it on the surface of the water. The White god falls asleep and his counterpart tries to push him into the water in order to claim the world for himself. Their fight over who will rule it stretched the dust in the 4 cardinal directions and so the world was born. The White god ascends back to heaven after striking down the Black god with thunder. That is one Slavic creation myth, the other is simmilar to the cosmic egg story. In essence, the first story tells how both evil and good are present in the world since the beginning. Both destruction with the Black god trying to kill the White god and creation are interwoven into reality. The part that really makes me think is the evil one suggesting to the other to commit to creating, as he could not do it alone, he could only gather the dust from the bottom of the sea. He can only corrupt and destroy.

>>18372 Seems very similar to Christianity and other golem slave religions and cults that get routinely shilled in here.

>>18485 Because they all stem ultimately from the same mystical insights had by people over and over again around the world.

>>18576 The first image is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Libertarianism is closer to Gnosism than National Socialism, the ideology that sees that life is only material and dismisses the importance of race and social order? I only hope who ever made this was mocking the type of morons who unironically believe in things like this.

>>18583 Yeah that could be a good image if the positions and descriptions were tweaked. Perhaps I will do it soon if I get time.

>>18488 You mean a bunch of NPC's whose totality terminates into one? I guess it's the same kind of "mystical insight" that a moth has when it keeps hitting the light bulb. >>18583 (higher) Race and (meritocratic) social order are important for genuine individuality and liberties, a proper green pill would show the most optimal metaphysical formulas/functions instead of dichotomies. That image is also ignorant because Illuminism teaches monism and oneness At lower levels

>>18592 >You mean a bunch of NPC's whose totality terminates into one? I guess it's the same kind of "mystical insight" that a moth has when it keeps hitting the light bulb. You are simply exposing yourself here as a hylic who has never explored such talks with any degree of depth, let alone practiced these paths in any serious way. Don't worry, even shudras have a place in society.

>>18592 >(higher) Race and (meritocratic) social order are important for genuine individuality and liberties Scratch that, this is the dumbest shit I've seen and read. I'm guessing you're one of those lolberg or #unitetheright tards trying to infilitrate fascism ciricles with anarchist pozzery? Race and social order are concepts that concern the entire collective as a whole, not for the sake of indiviuality. If the race is not working in an order that benefits everyone within their tribe/community, then it will collaspe and become degenerate. You're spousing enlightment garbage, not fascism.

>>18593 >Chandala calls someone a shudra >A literal golem with zero self-awareness calls someone a hylic I guess moth also thinks that hitting the light bulb repeatedly will eventually make him enlightened. You don't see the irony of making claims such as "never explored such talks with any degree of depth, let alone practiced these paths in any serious way" without actually engaging in any kind of constructive discussion or explaining the alternative. But this kind of mindlessness and inversion is typical for your kind. >place in society. How typical of a subhuman to wish to "show me my place". Why not do it personally if you are so mighty? I'd even let you pick the game, as long as we agree on the rules. You should ask the higher ups in your little cult who are you really dealing with. >>18595 >If the race is not working in an order that benefits everyone Everyone. Individually. Race and individual are inherently linked. >You this, you that! Your guesses are based on poor reading comprehension and black and White thinking. Liberty is not anarchy, you fell for the Jew meme without even realizing it. NS Germany was one of freer places in history.

>>18597 >You don't see the irony of making claims such as "never explored such talks with any degree of depth, let alone practiced these paths in any serious way" without actually engaging in any kind of constructive discussion or explaining the alternative. There is no irony, because you yourself slander Aryan sages and their insights with comparisons to a moth bouncing off a lightbulb. This is a demonic mindset, to be quite honest. The paganism thread will provide you much material to overcome this though.

>>18597 >Race and individual are inherently linked. Race is a collective entity, an individual is linked in the sense that they are apart of that race by person, but they are merely apples of the tree where lies the family who form the basis of all nations. You don't establish a society for the individual alone, you do it for genos and distant kin. You're a psuedo-intellectual at best. >Your guesses are based on poor reading No, I'm correct and the fact that you're very effeminate and irrational when I exposed you for bad logic you restort to insults and can't realize what your dumb statement actually meant. >Liberty is not anarchy, you fell for the Jew meme without even realizing it. I never said it was, so you are the only one who is illiterate here. >NS Germany was one of freer places in history. The National Socialists were champions of POSITIVE LIBERTY, something antithetical to the modern liberal interpretation of liberty. They had no policy of just allowing them to become dysgenic. By "free", you mean the Germans had the ability to best express themselves within society without kikery posioning the wells, and lived healthy opposed to what burgers consume nowadays. I know most certainly knkw by your retarded advocation of chaos in the other threads, you mean something close to libertarianism or a mostly anarchistic society.

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>>18599 I am slandering bugman interpretations of the Aryan sages. And yes, some people spend their entire lifetimes wholly devoted to some paths, but it's almost meaningless if they make poor choices, no matter how deceptively appealing they might seem. And the more of their lives they invest into it, the harder it becomes for them to accept their mistakes and change their ways. It's natural I guess. >This is a demonic mindset I am beyond such silly dichotomies. I did get enraged, which I shouldn't have however. >>18602 >Race is a collective entity It's a mutual feedback loop. But yes, you want to establish a superior society and preserve the superior race because of your future incarnations (should you choose to come here again). >No, I'm correct and the fact that you're very effeminate You are the one acting like a woman with PMS lol >The National Socialists were champions of POSITIVE LIBERTY My thought exactly. Anything else exists only in your head. Kikes have conditioned you so much that you chimp out at the very mention of liberty, while it can also be liberty from usury, from parasites, from forced degeneracy, liberty not to be surrounded by subhumans and cultural garbage everywhere you go, etc. I'm not sure what are you referring to when it comes to chaos, it's possible that you have mistaken me for someone else again. There is no such thing as chaos however, but there are forces that might be seen as such by those blind to the other forms of order. I don't remember discussing it recently tho. Does this board have tripcodes?

>>18641 You claim to be dismissive of bugman interpretations of Aryan sages, but then you go on to claim that you are somehow above the dichotomy of good and evil (or as I was using, drawn from the Bhagavad Gita, the dichotomy between daivika and asurika). This is a bugman attitude. Aryan sages believed in a divine cosmic order, in which action in accordance with said order constituted as participating in the 'good'. The Source / God is the Good. Participating in the good, or in virtue, makes the participant a god. Just as one who practices justice is described as 'just'.

>>18643 Eating healthy food is good. Putting your finger in the electricity outlet is not. Wisdom achieved. Why? Well, there is this thing called physics and the molecules in your body follow a certain order. Only a complete being can become a God (yes, with a capital G), so yes, I am beyond good and evil. I give up on tripcode, the forces of (((love and peace))) have already shown that they wouldn't stop at anything to sabotage anyone speaking the truth so it could be a liability as the network is controlled by them.

>>18646 >Eating healthy food is good. Putting your finger in the electricity outlet is not. Wisdom achieved. Why? Well, there is this thing called physics and the molecules in your body follow a certain order. Again, this is just proof that you have not risen above the level of a shudra. You can only think of wisdom in the modern sense, i.e. exclusively bodily and sensual, when the wisdom of the ancients, i.e. gnosis, or jñāna, was far above both intellectual and sensual means of knowing, it was supra-intellectual and supra-sensual. The knowledge of science is irrelevant to an Aryan sage, because it's literally for retards. Now do you realize why science never developed for the millennia of ancient Aryan civilization? Because it's literally the lowest form of knowledge, even animals can access it. >Only a complete being can become a God (yes, with a capital G), so yes, I am beyond good and evil. <a God Contradiction of terms and major bluepill. Read the Bhagavad Gita. Read the Upanishads. Read the Dhammapada. Read The Vedic Way of Knowing God. Read Plato. It will begin to make sense. Start meditating.

Not entirely on topic, but it seems a good thread to ask. Is there any hidden history to the early roman emperors? For example I've heard claims that Caligula was not mad as we have been told and that this slander was added by groups he had slighted with his policies. I've also heard people claim that Julius Caesar was part of a millennia spanning conspiracy to implement the NWO and one world governance.

>>18731 Even beyond that, there is some interesting evidence that most of antiquity might be a creation of the Renaissance: >>15468

>>18641 >It's a mutual feedback loop. No it's literal the body and soul. >But yes, you want to establish a superior society and preserve the superior race because of your future incarnations (should you choose to come here again). You don't know what makes a society and race superior, outside of Nietzschean pozzery and Judeo idealisms. Anyway you're deflecting my main argument point here. You cannot establish a great society and race without a devotional collectivism. Indiviuality rarely matters compared to the sea that embodies the billions of White on Earth. This of course does not mean I believe a hive-mind is an answer to our problems, but work of authority from the state modeling the model citizen as Plato and Aristotle had advocated. >N-no y-you More effemininity. >My thought exactly If you had these thoughts, then you wouldn't have argued that the concept of race is based on indiviuality and cry Jew. The NSDAP were very strict and did not give every White German the same treatment. If your definition of liberty is one where all Whites are equal, then you are proving my previous accusations correct. >Kikes have conditioned you so much that you chimp out at the very mention of liberty, <k-kikes did this k-kikes did that I literally gave a thorough explanation of liberty in it's superior and highest form that detracts the commom modernist view of it shouldn't mean and you're topping more strawmans. Again I never argued against it, you're creating more fallacies and acting like a woman, again. >liberty not to be surrounded by subhumans and cultural garbage everywhere you go, etc. You mean like yourself? Rememeber you were Shilling transhumanism, something all subhumans desire and are ignortant enough to trust the long-nosed tribesmen behind it. Allowing just any White person to obtain so much autonomy is going to send us back to square one and fail. You have no idea what you're talking about at all and just going off on fantastical ideals you dream of, but cannot stress a realistic practice. Again you are a psuedo.

>>18750 Interesting links, thanks for sharing. I have heard similar ideas before. That the what we know as the collapse of Rome was due to some sort of cataclysmic event and that the time period between 500AD and 1400AD was not actually 900 years, but a smaller amount of time. There are definitely some "plot holes" in the mainstream historical narrative.

>>18806 Yeah, the timeline seems a little too clean for me.

>>18652 >Again, this is just proof that you have not risen above the level of a shudra. >The knowledge of science is irrelevant to an Aryan sage You are a braindead cultist (or a kike trying to turn the few remaining spiritual Whites into one). Aryan sages were literally trying to understand the forces of nature, and were the precursors of actual science. The difference being that they also understood that physical science is based on something greater and invisible (unknowable to the senses or by purely empirical means). And this goes a long way, to super-rational and supra-rational level. Upanishads are a good example of this. >Because it's literally the lowest form of knowledge, even animals can access it. So you are lower than an animal because you can't understand even that? There is no skipping of classes and grades I'm afraid. Your housewife tier "spirituality" warrants no respect. >Now do you realize why science never developed for the millennia of ancient Aryan civilization? At one point they had technologies superior to anything seen today. If you refer to non-Aryan Dravidian subhumans wallowing in poo for millenia trying to erase themselves, that's hardly gnosis. You might as well recommend me lobotomy so I become a "higher caste" because only then will I be able to comprehend the supreme poo. >>18795 >You cannot establish a great society and race without a devotional collectivism You are too stupid to understand that there are different forms of collectivism, based on different principles. >that the concept of race is based on indiviuality You are also too stupid to realize that they are symbiotic and mutually reinforcing. Whites are the only race in history that values freedom and individuality, that's why kikes are trying to replace them so they can force their retarded protocols on subhuman bugmen who don't know any better. The key is integrating the individual and the collective, that's what 3rd position is all about, your idea of collectivism reeks of Marxism, and your reddit spacing ousts you as one. >If your definition of liberty is one where all Whites are equal Another example of you either being too stupid or purposefully misinterpreting what I wrote >Rememeber you were Shilling transhumanism You are also too stupid to realize that different people post on this board

>>18841 >Aryan sages were literally trying to understand the forces of nature, and were the precursors of actual science. The difference being that they also understood that physical science is based on something greater and invisible (unknowable to the senses or by purely empirical means). And this goes a long way, to super-rational and supra-rational level. Upanishads are a good example of this. They weren't concerned that much with the forces of nature or how they worked, which is basically the domain of modern science. Socrates, for example, had no real concern for this sort of science. I believe he even denounces it in Phaedo. The Vedic sages have a similar attitude, and recognize the limited nature of both the intellect and senses. The Upanishads actually don't support what you are talking about that much. These are the very texts which tell us that the truth is not out there within the world, but that the truth is within the heart, and that once one becomes cognizant of this truth through yogic techniques, control of the senses, etc. that one realizes the Truth, i.e. Brahman. It is true though that Nyaya does recognize the senses and intellect as valid means of perception, albeit within their domains. The Vedas and other shastras have a higher authority in all regards traditionally, and this only makes sense. >At one point they had technologies superior to anything seen today. This is not even denied, it is based on a misunderstanding of what I said.

>>18841 >You are too stupid to understand that there are different forms of collectivism No there isn't, there only remains one healthy form of collectivism suited for humanity (social animal) and any other has always failed. >Whites are the only race in history that values freedom and individuality Are you making a point here? How well has that gone for the White race nowadays? Athens did the same and it became corrupt easily. The Aryans within India likely did the same and now their descendants are mutts. Today, Weimerica has Whites acting cowardly, hedonistic, self-centered, weak, and narcissistic. "Freedom" has many different interpretations and the American version of it is pozzed. Again indiviuality is lesser compared to the communal or race, in which you still have brought no refutations of where I'm wrong. The current state the West is in, freedom and liberty has to be earned and not handed out. >Y-you are too stoopid!!!! Woman, you are too stupid to understand National Socialism, fascism, collectivism, indiviualism, politics, religion, and metaphysics. You are not a fascist, but a ignorant lolberg who does not even know the primary principles of fascism. Stick to /liberty/ and go advocate pozzery with your fellow cuckolds.

>>18847 >They weren't concerned that much with the forces of nature or how they worked, which is basically the domain of modern science Yes they were, they tried to understand fire, nature, anatomy, even social relations. You can see it in most of the texts and it's even agreed upon by most scholars (not modern ones). Upanishads were philosophical texts so naturally they focused more on philosophy and metaphysics. >and recognize the limited nature of both the intellect and senses Hardly a revelation. That's why the White man has developed various means to tap into the knowledge beyond those. Without disregarding the intellect, or the senses (to a much lesser degree). How did the sages get to perceive, let alone communicate their wisdom without relying on intellect or the senses? >This is not even denied And those technologies just popped out of thin air after they self-denied and meditated on the essence of the supreme poo hard enough? Or was it maybe a result of scientific knowledge. Aryan science. >Socrates Hardly a good example. >>18869 >Are you making a point here? Yes. The right collectivist system (i.e. fascism) would integrate the individual with the collective into a superior synthesis benefiting both equally, total denial of individuality and liberties is Marxist, Talmudic garbage. Since you are too stupid to realize that, go read the Protocols.

>>18978 >The right collectivist system (i.e. fascism) would integrate the individual with the collective into a superior synthesis benefiting both equally, total denial of individuality That's literally what I said, you're too stupid to know how to reae and argue, lol.

>>18978 >Yes they were, they tried to understand fire, nature, anatomy, even social relations. I'm explicitly talking about Aryan sages. Figures such as Aristotle are not my concern here. Aristotle was not that spiritual. >Upanishads were philosophical texts so naturally they focused more on philosophy and metaphysics. Yes, and that is why they were known as Vedanta, i.e. the goal of the Vedas (of knowledge). >How did the sages get to perceive, let alone communicate their wisdom without relying on intellect or the senses? You are failing to understand my point here. Perhaps I am communicating it badly. I have never said that they disregarded all use of the senses and intellect in these societies. By no means. What I am saying is what I already said, they realized that these means of knowing had a circumscribed domain, and that within said domain, these means of knowing were quite powerful and efficacious. Can we really deny that aspects of empirical inquiry into nature have not been quite successful? I certainly do not deny this. Nor do I deny that the intellect is quite powerful and that there is value in logical reasoning, mathematical thinking, etc. These all have their place, however, they should not be used outside of their domain, and the focus of the Vedas and similar texts is outside of this domain, one does not know them via the senses or intellect. Their wisdom would indeed be communicated (to the extent that the ultimate truth can be communicated in full, since it is inherently experiential) through written texts and oral instruction, but these are in the end meant to lead one to their own realization. What I am saying is that there was, in ancient times for the Aryans (and indeed most traditional civilizations) a hierarchy of knowledge. Intellectual and empirical knowledge were indeed recognized and valid branches of knowledge, however, they were not at the top of the hierarchy. Prior to the Kali Yuga, it was the mystical intuitive spiritual knowledge, often referred to as gnosis or jñāna that was the pinnacle and apex of knowledge and truth. >Hardly a good example. Socrates is basically a European yogi, he is a perfect example. Nietzsche is a disordered thinker.

>>19095 Understandable, however, any claim to superior knowledge without at least the basic and rudimentary grasp of the "lower" knowledge is dubious at best. A hierarchy of knowledge implies a succession and relation, and most importantly, interaction between tiers. Anyone who can't explain how can tiers of knowledge and states of being interact is a fraud at worst, and an ignorant charlatan at best. Aryan sages (the actual ones, not the later impostors) were the masters of both the science and the mind/intellect. Hell, they even participated in wars. And even they didn't have the ULTIMATE knowledge, nor did they ever claim that. Especially considering the limitations of this existence. Some yogi preaching "the ultimate truth" is an insult to mind itself and to all of those brilliant European minds who have contributed to understanding of reality.

>>19112 >any claim to superior knowledge without at least the basic and rudimentary grasp of the "lower" knowledge is dubious at best. I'm not sure that I can agree with this, honestly. We are all aware that there are many scientists that seem to be very intelligent and skilled in their specialized field, however when it comes to spiritual perception, or indeed anything beyond the material, they are immensely ignorant. But then on the other hand, one who seems to be in a worldly sense foolish may be far more spiritually-perceptive than he appears at first glance. However, it is important to stress that neither of these are necessarily mutually-exclusive at all. We can easily envision a scientist who is remarkably spiritually-perceptive, or vice versa. But since in a sense they are indeed different domains, one can indulge in expertise in one without necessarily having expertise in the other. This is not to say that the sage does not use lower forms of knowledge at all. This of course would be a silly claim. We all use these so-called 'lower' forms of knowledge in our day-to-day existence, even for those who are spiritual. They are vital in our day-to-day survival as embodied, living beings. In an ultimate sense the higher levels of knowledge may be more important, even though some people may never actually access it during their lives. Analysis of nature, however, can indeed be one way that one is led from the lower to the higher states. Today I would argue that science is certainly neutering and limiting its true potential and purposes by limiting itself to naturalism. >Aryan sages (the actual ones, not the later impostors) were the masters of both the science and the mind/intellect. Hell, they even participated in wars. Certainly. >And even they didn't have the ULTIMATE knowledge, nor did they ever claim that Hard to say. That is certainly the claim though. Sadly we live in a time where it is more difficult than ever to reach any degree of truth. If we look at what the yogis in ancient Aryan Vedic times were saying, they certainly made the claim of ultimate truth regarding realization of Brahman. We can see similar things in Plato. Think of the allegory of the cave, for example. In the allegory, the shadows on the wall represent the world of sense experience. The soul, peering out from its prison (i.e. the body), is only able to perceive the flickering shadows of reality, thinking that this is all there is. According to the allegory, to gain access to the higher realities, we must escape the bondage of sense experience and climb out of the cave slowly, gazing upon the eternal realities and thereby entering the realm of true knowledge, which of course in this account is the world of the eternal forms, which this world is ultimately a hazy reflection of. Upon reaching the highest point of the soul's ascension to the intelligible region, leading to the form of the Good, which according to Plato is seen and hardly seen and is "the cause for all things of all that is right and beautiful, giving birth in the visible world to light, and the author of light and itself in the intelligible world being the authentic source of truth and reason" - what is Plato talking about here in The Republic? Yes, the Good - but if we step back and think, he is talking about Brahman. >Some yogi preaching "the ultimate truth" is an insult to mind itself and to all of those brilliant European minds who have contributed to understanding of reality. The worth of their contributions may be judged according to what perspective one looks at it from. I certainly do not intend to downplay the achievements of any European minds per se. Many of them are far more intelligent than I could ever hope to be. But neither do I necessarily downplay the claims of such authentic sages.

>>19115 >however when it comes to spiritual perception, or indeed anything beyond the material, they are immensely ignorant They were meant to be. Every form of modern "knowledge" was carefully tailored to mislead into one 'plausible' dead end or another. Be such knowledge scientific or religious. Also, the institutions were designed to filter out any genuine truth seekers, just as the (((society))) is, and has been for centuries. True knowledge, including spiritual, is power. And even 'power' can be rather deceptive and misleading, just look at all those idiots thinking to be ruling the world without realizing that they are just food for something way beyond their understanding. >However, it is important to stress that neither of these are necessarily mutually-exclusive at all Not only are they not mutually exclusive, but the understanding of all is necessary for any sort of true insight into the nature of existence. While there are some fundamental differences, you will never truly understand one without understanding another. Otherwise, you'll end up bouncing from one dead end to another without becoming any wiser. Just because something was made to appeal to your spiritual sense doesn't make it true by default. In fact, it can be much more dangerous as no one except the very few in this world has the means to properly 'measure' such choices, and the consequences of mistakes in that domain can be way more severe and further reaching than mistakes in the material or psychic domain. >one can indulge in expertise in one without necessarily having expertise in the other Having expertise in all would be near-impossible, especially given our short life spans and limited intellects, but decent understanding of the concepts is quite realistic. >In an ultimate sense the higher levels of knowledge may be more important They are, and you can even start with higher and then gradually reach into lower until you get to see the 'bigger picture', but what the overwhelming majority of people perceive as "spirituality" has nothing to do with higher knowledge and insight. Plato's cave works, but there is another layer to it. Once you understand Brahman, you realize the cave doesn't really end there. >The worth of their contributions may be judged according to what perspective one looks at it from What made European thinkers (in general) so great was that they didn't focus on purely 'spiritual' or purely materialistic, but sought wholesome knowledge pertaining to both.

>>19170 >Having expertise in all would be near-impossible, especially given our short life spans and limited intellects, but decent understanding of the concepts is quite realistic. This is why in a properly Aryan society, such as we saw in Aryavarta prior to the Kali Yuga, life was typically divided into four stages for the higher castes. The first part of one's life was as a student. They would learn most of this stuff if they were fit, and would only proceed to the deepest levels of knowledge after many years. The Upanishads, for example, were meant to be highly esoteric texts. And they still are really, because not everyone who reads them will understand them. >They are, and you can even start with higher and then gradually reach into lower until you get to see the 'bigger picture', but what the overwhelming majority of people perceive as "spirituality" has nothing to do with higher knowledge and insight. Yes, that is possible. And you're right - just look at how so many people in the West today are captivated by crystals, the occult and other New Age trends. They think they are enlightened, but they are actually increasing in ignorance. In the past even degenerates knew about magical practices and used it to their advantage, and not every entity that one encounters is a good entity. Demons are real, and they control you by making one feel they are far more wise and advanced that they truly are. >Once you understand Brahman, you realize the cave doesn't really end there. Once one has already left the cave once they have seen Brahman though, but as Plato says, it is both seen and hardly seen, that is because he is talking about something so utterly transcendent and infinite that it is impossible to grasp it in full, though the process of advancing into it is without limit. This is why the Upanishads stress in a sense the essential indefinability of Brahman, saying that it can only be explained 'neti neti', i.e. via proceeding apophatically, the same method of the Buddha, and the Cappadocian Fathers. And because of this, we can more fully understand the necessity of the coming of the avatar.

>>19173 >The Upanishads, for example, were meant to be highly esoteric texts. Why do you keep talking about the Upanishads as if it is enlighten and could lead to a postive influence on National Socialism? It is universalist Dravadian nonsense that wants Aryans to treat everyone within society as "equal". The same is for Plato and Socrates who also wanted us to treat women as the same as men. These philosophers suck and it's no wonder why you hate Nietzsche and it is ikely due to the fact that he was right about them.

>>19248 >Why do you keep talking about the Upanishads as if it is enlighten and could lead to a postive influence on National Socialism? I'm not even talking about National Socialism, I'm talking about Aryan mystic traditions. >Nietzsche You should really be banned for even talking about that mentally ill, philosemitic, proto-PoMo retard

>>18576 kek those memes are so fucked up, i'm reporting this rn

>>18583 A true Aryan, solar and divinely inspired monarchy that combines power and faith is the ideal and original model. Anything like power from the ground up (communism, democracy, syndicalism) is literally meant to oppose this natural order. >>18595 >>(higher) Race and (meritocratic) social order >anarchist pozzery Liberty, well balanced, is central to our societies and can only exist in that type of virile, organized and valuable society where the well being of the group combine with the acceptable personal initiative. This should be obvious. Acceptable personal initiative does obviously not include shouting for womyn and faggot rights in the streets. >>18643 A cosmic order is different than the opposition between good and evil, which can be quickly become very subjective. >muh virtue A Jew doesn't care about your criteria and will do what is good for them. There is no such thing as a one size that fits them all. >>18652 >Now do you realize why science never developed for the millennia of ancient Aryan civilization? <he doesn't know >>18731 >I've also heard people claim that Julius Caesar was part of a millennia spanning conspiracy to implement the NWO and one world governance. The conspiracy is called Jews and some respectable people have pointed out links between Caesar and the rats. Some went as far as saying that he was paid in part by them. They surely quickly found their way up to Albion once the roads were laid and the legions gathered, always walking in the trails.

>>18869 >>Whites are the only race in history that values freedom and individuality >Are you making a point here? How well has that gone for the White race nowadays? So no freedom, no individuality. That's the path. Then just get vaxxed and shut up. >Today, Weimerica has Whites acting cowardly, hedonistic, self-centered, weak, and narcissistic. These shades of NPCs are all but free and true individuals. There is a scooping tools fit each type of knowledge. The physical and social worlds require such tools, sense and reason, but they're not sufficient on their own. However, pure metaphysical science that remains unapplied and exists outside of the physical reality is about as useless as it gets. The ascetic life has gotten us nowhere either and it's very doubtful that the universe was even created for this type of life mainly. <b-butt the universe is a preezun >Socrates Woah, hold on. The guy was so sketchy on some topics that it had some people wonder if he was a kike.

>>18991 You are acknowledging therefore the existence of different types of collectivisms in general, which was his point initially. Thankfully it turns out that you actually agreed on what's good for us. >>19095 >I'm explicitly talking about Aryan sages. Figures such as Aristotle are not my concern here. Aristotle was not that spiritual. It may shock you but the Aryan sages were a lot into astrophysics, although they did it differently, with different tools, and for much higher purposes than the purely materialistically motivated kind we accept as the unique horizon. >Yes, and that is why they were known as Vedanta, i.e. the goal of the Vedas (of knowledge). Isn't this discussion already going on somewhere else? You would need to be more specific about the type of Vedanta you're having in mind because there are some which are as terrible as they are popular.

>>19274 >You should really be banned for even talking about that mentally ill, philosemitic, <OY VEY YOU CAN'T LIKE NIETZSCHE! I noticed that you haven't answer any of my arguments to the egilitarianism of the Platonics and Vedas. You a supporter of literal pozz and your "mystics" are LARPs and delusions.

>>19281 >Liberty, well balanced, is central to our societies Liberty is a stupid term that has no definition and spouted by literal retards who want muh freedumbs to do stupid shit. Liberty isn't even necessary. What is central to our nation is the collective or commune. You're retarded and are just saying anarchist dogma. >A Jew doesn't care about your criteria and will do what is good for them. No shit? But guess what retards, Jews lack virtue, which is why their are one of the most retarded and dysgenic races in the world. Without your virtue, you might as well start having a fetish for troon cock and call our selves National Sodomites. >So no freedom, no individuality. That's the path That's not what said you stupid nigger. Answer his question. How well has muh freedumb went for the White race? Everything that is going on in America is because of "liberty". >These shades of NPCs are all but free and true individuals The NPC/slaves also desires total anarchy or the freedom to engage in self-pleasures, healthy or dysgenic. Despite my disliking of Plato, he even realizes the illusion of letting White Greeks being given too much indiviual freedoms are likely to become massive retards who end abandonded tradition and virtue for gold and luxury within Ancient Athens. Thus this devolves into an oligarchy and soon into tryanny. The NPC works both ways retard, note that none of the stupid shit you advocate will erdicate slave mentalities. Amerifats, liberals, lolbergs, Communists and anarchist are perfect examples. This board is extremely retarded.

>>19173 >life was typically divided into four stages for the higher castes Judging by their initiatory upbringing (early ancient Egypt comes to mind, among others), most of their lives were devoted to higher knowledge, and their lives were actually more difficult compared to the lower castes. Also, they had to pass the tests which measured their worth, if they failed, no amount of "higher birth" helped. >The Upanishads, for example, were meant to be highly esoteric texts This can't be stressed enough. To truly understand them, you need the right 'key'. Tell that to the resident poster who insists on interpreting them literally however... >They think they are enlightened, but they are actually increasing in ignorance And that's why I get an allergic reaction to the mention of "yogis" and "gurus" (in the modern sense). >Demons are real Every state of mind gets its embodied and conscious manifestation. >This is why the Upanishads stress in a sense the essential indefinability of Brahman Uncountability is not the same as indefinability. For a true Aryan, nothing is beyond understanding, because his essence is transcendent as well. >>19248 >It is universalist They are good for some basic insights (and higher if you know how to interpret those texts properly), but are not really universalist, only their kosher interpretation is. Check out this thread for more info https://16chan.xyz/fascist/res/447.html >Nietzsche He had some excellent ideas and some rather bad ideas, focusing on a single "holy book" , philosopher or scientific theory is a sign of lower mind, regardless of position. >>19281 >Anything like power from the ground up NSDAP tried to hermetically keep both systems running and balancing each other (of course, not with the already ultra decadent, crypto-Jewish monarchies with no real regal authority, but with any top-down social structures that might emerge in the future). Aristocracy =/= monarchy. They sought the third position, the perfect synthesis. Because the other two always horseshoe into disintegration, making both an equally viable weapon of the Jew. >shouting for womyn and faggot rights in the streets What's sold as "liberty" today achieves the very opposite, yet most people still fail to realize that. If only existence was so simple....

>>19287 Plato supported a hierarchical caste state ruled by Philosopher Kings and the Vedas support a four-tier caste system ruled spiritually by Brahmanas and temporally by a warrior caste of Kshatriyas, believing this is a divinely instituted way of nature. You are delusional. >>19304 >Judging by their initiatory upbringing (early ancient Egypt comes to mind, among others), most of their lives were devoted to higher knowledge, and their lives were actually more difficult compared to the lower castes. Yes, that is definitely true. With great power comes great responsibility. The law even applied differently depending on one's caste and place. >Also, they had to pass the tests which measured their worth, if they failed, no amount of "higher birth" helped. Yes, definitely. It is important to realize that traditionally speaking, a true Brahmana was no more than one who had realized Brahman. People can lose their caste and be demoted to lower castes, and indeed, made chandalas if they commit certain egregious acts of degeneracy. >Tell that to the resident poster who insists on interpreting them literally however... Mystic union is real though, it's important to remember that. Advaita Vedanta is based on a bad reading of the texts though. This is what New Agers try to push. They don't want you learning about Viśiṣṭādvaita. >And that's why I get an allergic reaction to the mention of "yogis" and "gurus" (in the modern sense). Most of them are fake, but real ones exist, but are extremely difficult to find. >Uncountability is not the same as indefinability. For a true Aryan, nothing is beyond understanding, because his essence is transcendent as well. It is impossible for a finite, dependent being to grasp in total the infinite, transcendent source of everything that exists. There will always be something beyond, always something deeper.

>>19312 >It is important to realize that traditionally speaking, a true Brahmana I was referring to initiatory, mystery schools, not Brahmins >It is impossible for a finite, dependent being to grasp in total the infinite True. However, not all beings are finite and dependent. That's what actually makes one a true Aryan and separates him from the animic forces of this world. There was another form of "caste-less" people, other than chandalas, and those were the ones who have managed to transcend any caste. Some don't see the irony of considering themselves a higher caste based on spiritual criteria, yet basing the entirety of their power on the lowest, temporal and materialistic dependency. >Mystic union is real though Union with what? Brahman?

>>19413 >I was referring to initiatory, mystery schools, not Brahmins Traditionally speaking, Brahmanas were of a initiatory, mystery school. We must remember that not everyone with the formal caste identification of Brahmana was an initiated Brahmin, i.e. a Dvija, i.e. a Twice Born. This sort of ritual rebirth and initiation was open to males in the three Aryan castes (Brahmana, Kshatriya, and Vaishya), but if we're going to be honest here, not everyone partook in the deepest esoteric rites, and we know that there are entire portions of the Brahmanas that didn't have their honor, particularly women, etc. A true Brahmana though, knows Brahman. This is the message of all of the Vedas, and the Vajrasuchika Upanishad. >However, not all beings are finite and dependent. That's what actually makes one a true Aryan and separates him from the animic forces of this world. There was another form of "caste-less" people, other than chandalas, and those were the ones who have managed to transcend any caste. I still can't help but think that our souls are but finite reflections of the infinite, microcosms of the Macrocosm. We undeniably in our essence have a transcendent dimension, but we in ourselves are no sort of self-subsistent being. The Aryan realizes this transcendence in his essence though, and can more and more realize it, partly by his own efforts, partly by grace. Infinite growth into the infinite is very possible. Those with no inkling of this are akin to animals - chandalas being the worst among mankind. >Union with what? Brahman? Yes. This is common to all mystical schools around the world. Union and knowledge with Brahman is the goal of Vedanta (literally 'the goal of knowledge / wisdom), mystics in Islam will say the same thing, the Sufis seek mystic union with Allah, the goal of Orthodox forms of Christianity is theosis, becoming divine by grace and sharing in the uncreated love of the Holy Trinity. Poryphry records the last words of Plotinus as being "Strive to bring back the god in yourselves to the God in the All”. It's the same basic message. Do not get me wrong though, I am not preaching annihilation. From the perspective of many of these traditions, there is an eternal I-Thou separation, between created and uncreated, and between being and Being.

>>19292 >Liberty is a stupid term that has no definition and spouted by literal retards who want muh freedumbs to do stupid shit. I don't care about their definition really, which is almost no liberty at all since it has no definition other than zero constraint, whereas a true liberty is something that needs to be disciplined to be maxed out, where less is more. But even Jews would manage to twist this and tell you that the gulag is definitely a place where less is more. Liberty is power, and I do not agree that power should be shared equally among people. This opinion is obvious as anti-modern and anti-democratic as it gets. Giving anyone a keyboard and a mike simply generates too much noise and confusion, and has anyone pointlessly yapping. Some people are born to be slaves, sort of. The Aryan position on liberty is simply at odds with current (mis)conceptions of what it should be. >Jews lack virtue (and foreskins) The point is, we will never agree with what is good. One could say that their very existence serves a purpose and is good... for the cosmic greater good. I'm not trying to be le edgy relativist here, I'm simply saying that arguing who is "gooder" is pointless. Instead, just focus on what is good for you and your people and stop trying to shove it at the top of some gauge of Universal Objective Morals. Just fight and stop wondering if it's 100% good and condoned by daddy god. >That's not what said you stupid nigger. Answer his question. How well has muh freedumb went for the White race? Everything that is going on in America is because of "liberty". America is literally a grotesque (and overweight) perversion of about anything good, a parody of just principles. Yet, irony wanted that it would be the last Western country where certain truths can be stated openly without landing you in jail within the week. >The NPC/slaves also desires total anarchy or the freedom to engage in self-pleasures, healthy or dysgenic. They may want this, but by doing this they are destroying the very structures that allow such theoretical freedoms, simply because a natural order would naturally enforce rules which would not serve these people. So see them here, longing for unfettered pure chaos, which will inevitably create such misery that the very hedonism they depend on will go down too. These parasites never realize that their conception of joy is based on the ever fading energy they extract from the corpse of a rotting culture. Their liberty is hopelessly short lived on the scale of civilizations' ages.

>>19312 >Plato supported a hierarchical caste state ruled by Philosopher Kings It might be translated as philosopher kings but I pretty much doubt that the type of knowledge said kings would be the purveyors of would be a grade as low as philosophy, which is just mental rumination. Working with an older understanding of philo- would better illustrate my point. > the Vedas support a four-tier caste system ruled spiritually by Brahmanas and temporally by a warrior caste of Kshatriyas That is the later layers stacked onto the very early Vedic sources but there is a fundamental problem since both main powers are divided here. Just my 2c.

>>19304 > Aristocracy =/= monarchy. Perhaps for more or less modern monarchies, but not if it's applied in concordance with true principles where monarchs are literally the distilled epitome of the spiritual and practical aristocracy of a people. But in agreement with you, the monarchies as we pictures them were, in many cases during that last two thousand years, of unreliable quality. At least in Europe. A similar impoverishment of the aristocratic essence also extended into Asia. In other words, true monarchs are such by birth, but it's a "right" that needs to be asserted and demonstrated and it should be admitted that it seldom happened over the course of time I already fixed there, overshadowed by blind nepotism. It is very likely that Germany would have returned to a more essential form of monarchical order. Or is it still confusing that what was being built around the Fuhrer and the enlightened elite warriors really mirrored the bread and butter of the formula typical of a pagan chivalry? They literally went looking for enchanted relics and Hitler knew very well that what they were establishing grew from the roots of even more than merely religious principles. Hitler came so close to esoteric circles in his early years and during the rise of the party, some of which were quite public societies but that's for what could be known at large, so as far as we can guess it would be odd for him not to have been brought closer to a very secretive group which, for obvious reasons, we would still today know very little of, considering what was happening in Germany at that very specific moment.

>>19417 >We must remember that not everyone with the formal caste identification of Brahmana was an initiated Brahmin, i.e. a Dvija, i.e. a Twice Born. And that's why formalization of such roles usually leads to their corruption and eventually, complete loss of meaning. Being born into a higher caste provided the benefits of more resources and instruction, but originally, anyone proving their worth could become a member. Same applied to other castes as well, even though originally, they were not established as such, it was more a thing of each family having a certain tradition/craft, some being sages, some aristocrats, some builders, some warriors, some farmers etc. Since there was no internet back then, most knowledge came from the parents/family, just like some trades get passed on through many generations even today. The destruction of the trade/guild system was another blow that the Jew made to the Aryan society, but this rarely gets mentioned. I'm convinced that the establishment of Brahmins as a state institution was already a sign of corruption/subversion, since mentions of them are very scarce in the earliest Vedic texts, that mostly speak of Rishis and other sages. >A true Brahmana though, knows Brahman Indeed, yet, it was merely an expression for truly knowing the nature of reality. In other eastern (western as well) schools, it could be a peasant as well as a king. Naturally, some instruction is needed, but those who seek should find it. In texts, visions, dreams, or by meeting the right people. >I still can't help but think that our souls are but finite reflections of the infinite, microcosms of the Macrocosm And that's indeed the teaching of most "initiatory schools" today. As well as the ultimate limit for the overwhelming majority of people, even the 'enlightened' ones. However, not all 'souls' are equal. Only the very few have the potential for understanding this. >but we in ourselves are no sort of self-subsistent being While Brahman (and even it's subset, the material world, the world of Maya) have their roles and importance, some beings are truly acausal and self-sufficient at the root level. Their subsistence on Brahman is limited to their common interactions, but that subject is too complex to be discussed here. There are three tiers of beings, one are purely material and animic, one are reflections of the mind of Brahman you are here and one are those whose essence is equal to or greater than Brahman. That's where the ideas that Atman = Brahman came from. Since these tiers are based on root potential, it would be practically impossible for this to ever change. What's the ultimate truth for most, is only partial truth for some. >This is common to all mystical schools around the world Correct, but are the most common teachings usually the most true? Or it's more likely to be the opposite ... >Holy Trinity A very interesting concept actually, and one of few genuine truths of Christianity. Some only have the aspect of the "son" , some of the "father" (the verb/mind of creation, breath of Brahman) and some of the eternal spirit (transcendence). Quite reflective of the tiers of beings that I've described, isn't it? Yet, being the trinity is the key. And no, the aspects are not equal, not in the slightest.

>>19447 >which is almost no liberty at all since it has no definition other than zero constraint Zero constraint leads to disintegration as much as "absolute order" does. They horseshoe into a single point, and that's why those are the only kosher "options" today. Lower minds cannot comprehend the subtlety of metaphysical weave. It's a very delicate sort of 'alchemy'. And it is this that determines their position in the grand order of things, not what they believe, talk or even how much temporal power they might have. >The point is, we will never agree with what is good. Recognizing different perspectives and wills is not relativism. Truth has both objective and subjective aspects, both equally important. >One could say that their very existence serves a purpose The existence of such phenomena usually does, but I'd say that in this specific case their programming got a bit broken, or their hivemind got hijacked by some powerful and sinister entities. >simply because a natural order would naturally enforce rules which would not serve these people Degeneracy is self-eliminating, nature has ways to balance and purify itself. The only reason why it's so prominent today is because it's artificially enforced. Otherwise it would mostly be irrelevant and have no wider social impact whatsoever. >longing for unfettered pure chaos They don't want that actually, they want an increasingly artificial and tyrannical order that would enforce their illness and stupidity on everyone else. Pure "chaos" might in fact be necessary to allow for the organic structures to reform themselves. The actual 'great reset' , not some Talmudic idiocy where the old swindlers create controlled "chaos" so they can advance the Protocols. Anyone afraid of "chaos" does not truly understand how resilient and re-generative nature actually is. >>19449 The good thing about philosophy and metaphysics is that it's actually subject to debate, refinement and criteria. Dogmatic "divine revelations" are usually not, which makes them potentially mentally dysgenic and allowing some kike to justify his kikery with "god told me so, who are you to question god goy!" Regardless of their position, their entire worldview is usually built upon a tower of lies chiseled with pilpuls, and when you reach it's cornerstone, you realize that it doesn't actually exist, that their worldview is entirely unsubstantiated and illusory, a result of complete mindlessness backed by a singular, animic "will", that's rarely their own. Their capacity to lie to themselves is no less than their capacity to lie to others. >>19462 We seem to be in agreement then, but using the term aristocracy is more adequate than monarchy, because monarchy is usually synonymous with rule based on nepotism, where monarch is considered the owner of the land as well as of the people (very Talmudic), not their prime exemplar, so in a sense, Monarchy is a crypto-Jewish abomination and a parody of genuine Aryan Aristocracy. Gradually, you begin to understand just how essentially different our worldviews are.

>>19449 What Plato meant by 'philosophy' is something much more 'hardcore' than what passes for philosophy today. A philosopher in his time and in his usage is literally someone have direct spiritual insight onto the transcendent Forms or Ideas behind the material world. They are akin to yogis or enlightened sages. We see stuff in the dialogue Phaedo said like 'is not philosophy the practice of death?', and what they mean by this is a discernment of the soul as separate from the body, and shunning the pleasures of the body and engaging in asceticism and contemplation. This is who Plato wants to rule over society. >>19483 >And that's why formalization of such roles usually leads to their corruption and eventually, complete loss of meaning It's a simple division of labor. We live in a degenerate age, so I am not surprised to see such institutions not working as good as they once did, to the extent that they do at all. >Rishis and other sages. A rishi is basically a max-level brahmana. One just has to think of the story of Vishvamitra in the Ramayana. He was a kshatriya king, but then he began to undertake intense austerities in order to become a brahmana. Eventually, the god Brahma appeared to him and designated him a rajarshi, i.e. a 'royal sage' or a 'royal saint'. But even this wasn't enough for Vishvamitra. He was actually disappointed. Then after another period of intense asceticism, the gods return to him again, and label him a maharshi, i.e. a 'great rishi'. Vishvamitra says he should be addressed as a brahmarshi (i.e. the highest class of rishi), but they tell him that he should keep trying. It is only on later attaining the supreme status of a brahmarshi does the text say that he attained 'the supreme status of being a brahmana'. This only confirms some of what I mentioned earlier, i.e. that we live in an age with almost no real brahmanas left. If one reads the story here in the Ramayana, we will see that Vishvamitra was literally meditating in the mountains for thousands of years practicing breatharianism before he was even permitted into the lowest levels of rishis, let alone the supreme level of rishi, the brahmarshi. The brahmana is one who knows Brahman. >In other eastern (western as well) schools, it could be a peasant as well as a king. Naturally, some instruction is needed, but those who seek should find it. In texts, visions, dreams, or by meeting the right people. Definitely. The Mahabharata is clear that one can level up, not to mention the text I was referring to above. >That's where the ideas that Atman = Brahman came from But which interpretation of its meaning? >Correct, but are the most common teachings usually the most true? Mentioned around the world, but discerned among few. >>19486 >The good thing about philosophy and metaphysics is that it's actually subject to debate, refinement and criteria. Dogmatic "divine revelations" are usually not Philosophy is essentially pilpul without a basis in something transcendent. That's the different between ancient philosophy and modern (((philosophy))).

>>19486 >Recognizing different perspectives and wills is not relativism. To many people it certainly is. To argue that there are opposite types of good will guarantee you being called a Jew for daring to attenuate very binary oppositions and allowing to even name good what are the Jews' own interests and processes applied towards their betterment. This is why for the sake of simplicity of simple minded people, many greater thinkers decided to simply go with the easy path of denying the enemy any spark of understanding of his own obligations. > I'd say that in this specific case their programming got a bit broken I do not think it's broken at all, I think their purpose really is to be the manifestation of the parasite archetype within mankind. How they got to that point is merely a sum of steps I'll gladly leave to God's own merits. >The only reason why it's so prominent today is because it's artificially enforced. But I think the way of degeneracy is precisely by trying to grow and settle deeper. It's part of a cycle and I see nothing artificial here, it is just the way it goes. Again, our own will for a correction of this perversion would be just as artificial otherwise. >They don't want that actually, they want an increasingly artificial and tyrannical order that would enforce their illness and stupidity on everyone else. Right, perhaps the idea of pure chaos is not accurate. It's a workable chaos, one that serves their interests. It is undeniable that any remaining old pillar needs to be shaken and broken as best exemplified by this combination of militant homosexuality and the cancel culture. I agree that they want their own type of order but I believe they greatly overrate how long it could sustain itself before a necessary purifying chaos ensues. >on monarchies Not all monarchies worked this way and for the most part, you seem to rely on a fairly modern definition thereof. Lineage itself isn't the bane of a true aristocracy, once again the quality of one's blood being valuable and meaningful, but the nepotism is a blind focus on the form without any sensible regard to the core principles, the purpose, the why. Like someone only seeing the castle from outside and not considering what's inside of it, on all levels. Undue monarchs can and should be challenged, but this shall be done according to specific rules and only if said monarch failed his duties which range far beyond merely caring for the most prosaic aspect of life. Late absolute monarchies were wicked reflections of the truer nature. The aristocracy is not just about being of a certain caliber and host to higher values, it's also about asserting such attributes in a way that commands, that settles the all-law. A monarch is therefore the highest servant and leader of people imbued with such sought qualities. I will therefore not even begin to establish weak relations between noble monarchs and any expression of Talmudism, which itself would be quite divorced from even the older kingly principles laid out in the Old Testament.

>>19504 > We see stuff in the dialogue Phaedo said like 'is not philosophy the practice of death?', and what they mean by this is a discernment of the soul as separate from the body, and shunning the pleasures of the body and engaging in asceticism and contemplation. This is who Plato wants to rule over society. Under the guise of elevated morals, then he would have been pushing for a very passive way of life if it weren't balanced with more active and masculine principles. That's an expression of Hellenistic Buddhism.

>>19504 The philosophy of those like Plato was simply more wholesome, more encompassing. There is no false dichotomy, some philosophers only focus on the lower domain (a smaller set basically), some try to see the bigger picture. Why is something so simple so difficult to understand? >We see stuff in the dialogue Phaedo said like 'is not philosophy the practice of death?' That's because true philosophy deals with questions beyond the scope of mortal existence. >and shunning the pleasures of the body and engaging in asceticism and contemplation This had mainly to do with the fact that you can hardly be a successful "worldly man" and a successful philosopher at the same time, as we all have limited time and resources. You can multiclass a bit, but something has to take priority. It has also to do with eliminating distractions. Rejecting bodily pleasures for the sake of it is quite pointless however (with the exception of a certain initiatory phase and insights which it brings), it doesn't make you any more "holy" or whatever cope various priests have came up with. That of course does not justify degeneracy, which is spiritually damaging and ironically, brings diminishing returns when it comes to pleasure as well. >A rishi is basically a max-level brahmana Even if you interpret it like that, their roles were still different. Rishis were more like wandering mystics that occasionally advised kings and ordinary people, Brahmins were an institutionalized priestly class. Rishis didn't truly care much about the temporal matters, nor did they ever attempt to force themselves upon society, unlike Brahmins. >undertake intense austerities in order to become a brahmana So we just need to fast long enough, right? I guess eating bugs and living in a pod is just a step towards divine wisdom :>) And the gooder go-, I mean the more pious one becomes, the higher his caste is, right? This kind of "spirituality" perfectly coinciding with Talmud is only a coincidence of course. One preaches that one nation must own everything and one preaches that we must reject all material things, almost like a hand and a glove, isn't it? You will never get anywhere until you start transcending dualities. >But which interpretation of its meaning? The proper interpretation of Atman = Brahman is the key to the highest wisdom. I cannot reveal it yet however, and there are plenty to consider otherwise... >Mentioned around the world, but discerned among few. Sapientia mundi is not the higher truth. People used to believe that the earth is a flat board after all. >Philosophy is essentially pilpul without a basis in something transcendent. Proper philosophy can easily debunk any pilpul. Transcendent values can be expressed in philosophical and logical terms as well, at least partially. It is exactly those who subsist on pilpuls that are afraid of anyone questioning or debating their position. >>19517 Opposition to Jews and their worldview is essential, but so is understanding of their perspective, as primitive as it may be. What they think that their interests are, is a rather simple, yet very effective behavioral algorithm. What would they consider as betterment however? Even more wealth, even more control over other people? They don't seem to try to improve themselves in any objective sense, but rather, to drag everyone else down below them. Which creates a dysgenic spiral that siphons everything valuable out of the world. Is this not the purpose that they were created for?

>>19517 Cont'd >I think their purpose really is to be the manifestation of the parasite archetype within mankind Even the parasite archetype has its limiters and cycles, otherwise no life could ever exist. They have weaponized parasitism and mastered that archetype, but their true role is more of a weapon, as the parasite archetype is insufficient to fully explain their behavior. The question is, who, or what wields it? And this is one of 'forbidden' questions... >I'll gladly leave to God's own merits That's what got us into this position to begin with >But I think the way of degeneracy is precisely by trying to grow and settle deeper. It's part of a cycle and I see nothing artificial here And you don't notice the massive propaganda forcefully promoting it and massive censorship of anything criticizing it? In schools, media, entertainment, businesses, pretty much everywhere? Surely none of this would be necessary if it's a natural process. Degenerates are like drug addicts, at some level they understand that they are fucked up, but would feel more adequate if they drag everyone else into it. It has more to do with crab mentality than degeneracy being naturally expansive. Fags have existed since forever, and have even held prominent roles, yet, they never made faggotry a state policy afaik. That too, is something being weaponized. >I believe they greatly overrate how long it could sustain itself before a necessary purifying chaos ensues The more they try to artificially prevent it, the worse the ensuing chaos will become. Atlantis didn't sink just like that ... >you seem to rely on a fairly modern definition thereof. If by modern you mean past millenia or two >once again the quality of one's blood being valuable and meaningful Only if carefully maintained and refined by (organic) eugenic practices. >The aristocracy is not just about being of a certain caliber and host to higher values, it's also about asserting such attributes in a way that commands That's where the 'cracy' part comes from >even the older kingly principles laid out in the Old Testament. Old Testament is still a sort of "property law" , but it's less bad than Talmud. >>19518 Morals are often quite subjective, not the best form of judgement.

>>19596 >People used to believe that the earth is a flat board after all. What people?

>>19599 >Even the parasite archetype has its limiters and cycles, otherwise no life could ever exist. They have weaponized parasitism and mastered that archetype, but their true role is more of a weapon, as the parasite archetype is insufficient to fully explain their behavior. Not necessarily. it's mainly a convergence of a primal archetype mixed to a higher intellect and a form of awareness that leads them to require a host they hate and envy too. The envy makes them long for the host, the hate guarantees that they will never try to help the host. This really sums up the Jew's life in regards to our own existence. >The question is, who, or what wields it? And this is one of 'forbidden' questions... Don't make this too complicated. Following an archetype is more than enough to understand how a parasite-like mind, a god, can set their behavior. >And you don't notice the massive propaganda forcefully promoting it Of course I do but what you don't understand is that it's the way their way of life expresses itself in each cycle. This is what they will always go, accruing more power for their own destructive interests. >Surely none of this would be necessary if it's a natural process. Really? What do you think would be the expression of a natural process of decay then? We are right into it. Our purpose is to get out of it ASAP, to oppose it as much as we can. Decay sucks, it stinks, it's ugly, but it's necessary. If the rot is not controlled, it will spread. The margin of maneuver is about how far we allow it to go, not if we could totally prevent it from happening. That's the truth behind any cycle. Up and down, on and on. Any rise will be followed by a fall, etc. It repeats forever. >If by modern you mean past millenia or two That's absurd. Not all monarchs during this period were the failures you make them all to be; Also, you probably meant "past millennium". >Morals are often quite subjective, not the best form of judgement. It depends on how you define morals. A set of morals that fit the people's best interests is by definition close to perfect.

>>19609 >What people? Those who have truly swallowed the redpill.

>>19518 Read 'The Metaphysics of War' and the 'Bhagavad Gita'. It can also be a path of action. >>19596 >There is no false dichotomy, some philosophers only focus on the lower domain (a smaller set basically), some try to see the bigger picture. Why is something so simple so difficult to understand? You are certainly right, I am more referring to what passes for 'philosophy' in modern universities in my criticisms, where they think that deciding what is 'good' or 'evil' is reliant solely on emotions and capitulating to rank scientism. >So we just need to fast long enough, right? [...] This kind of "spirituality" perfectly coinciding with Talmud is only a coincidence of course. No, if one reads the Katha Upanishad is clear that divine grace is in truth what conveys spiritual enlightenment, one is not just able to level up to via their own efforts alone. However, asceticism is still important because it brings one into complete control of their mind and body if they become disciplined enough. >One preaches that one nation must own everything and one preaches that we must reject all material things, Artha, or material prosperity, is one of the four purusharthas or goals of human life. It is not the highest, but it is indeed one of them. Only small numbers of ascetics literally wander around owning nothing. There are many examples of Vedic sages who are extremely virtuous and wise while also being extremely wealthy and powerful kings. This was prior to the Kali Yuga though, admittedly. Hitler came close to demonstrating this.

This great thread was and is still being shat up by retarded esoterists and homosexual atheists. BO delete anything off topic and take it somewhere else, until then I won't be posting anything else that concerns hidden histories of the aryans.

>>19613 >it's mainly a convergence of a primal archetype mixed to a higher intellect That's what the issue is. We can notice various 'animal' behavior patterns in people (as if they were birds or oxes in previous life, for example), but with Jews it's as if a 'soul' of a virus or an insect has possessed a very limited, but highly functional host. It jumps over too many tiers to be natural in any way. While it is possible, the odds for something like that to occur naturally are very low. Also, I doubt they have gotten where they are now without some external 'help'. >The envy makes them long for the host Envy is a mammalian trait >the hate guarantees that they will never try to help the host Not seeking to corrupt and destroy it would be an improvement, but the majority of them lack the level of consciousness required to have any control whatsoever over their behavior. >Following an archetype is more than enough to understand how a parasite-like mind, a god, can set their behavior. I mentioned every state of mind having it's embodied manifestation, the same is true for gods. Every archetype has it's god tier as well. This one got immensely powerful through parasitism and mimicking other gods, but it's still bound by it's inherent limitations. It lacks something essential that real gods have. Metaphysical analysis of this entity would take several pages to just scratch the surface, so I digress. Either way, some questions will get you a lot of negative attention, and not only of it's mindless servants >their way of life expresses itself in each cycle I don't think their existence is even possible in the first two Yugas >What do you think would be the expression of a natural process of decay then? Entropy has it's purpose, but this is not what a natural process is. To ignore powerful wills interfering with natural processes would be quite foolish. It's just a default mode of operation >Our purpose is to get out of it ASAP, to oppose it as much as we can It's ever-encroaching, there won't be any places to "get out" soon. And I'm not only talking about it's most visible and obvious manifestations, I'm talking about forces that most can't 'see'. Opposing it however, at this stage and during what's to come, is what forges you into something capable of eventually challenging their god itself. >Not all monarchs during this period were the failures you make them all to be Not all of course, but their track record was quite un-aristocratic on average >A set of morals that fit the people's best interests Elaborate? >>19651 >what passes for 'philosophy' in modern universities Absurdism is only one, and a rather fringe, limited and errorenous philosophical position. >>19686 Aryan metaphysics and esotericism is a very important part of hidden Aryan history, so is understanding the nature of the enemy. You have your containment threads where you can earn your good goy points.

>>19911 >Absurdism is only one, and a rather fringe, limited and errorenous philosophical position. Absurdism is only a subset of a larger phenomenon, I would argue, which is nihilistic philosophy in general. Camus felt that we inevitably looked for meaning in life, but that this world was meaningless, and we feel an absurd dissidence from the search that has no fulfillment. It is the philosophy of one who has given up. A tragic view to hold, but one more honest than some who peddle nonsense today under the guise of wisdom.

>>19686 Stop being a faggot and post your wisdom here or STFU.

>>19911 >Aryan metaphysics and esotericism is a very important part of hidden Aryan history You're not arguing about history, but stupid shit that has nothing to do with the general topic here. Your discussion and autistic bickering belongs on your cancer thread, Aryan religion. >>19916 Or how about you go fuck yourself and I not post jack shit and you go scramble information on your own?

>>19912 Law of sufficient reason, look it up. We would never seek meaning if there was none. The question being was this meaning pre-ordained, or does it have to be invented or obtained. Only the few have a specific meaning, the rest are mostly or entirely generic. Absurdism is just the logical conclusion of nihilism, and it's an actual philosophical position, look it up as well. Nihilism was weaponized for certain purposes, but it is also a test. It's natural to go through it as a phase, but to accept it permanently is truly to give up. Yet, different people have different inherent limits. Wisdom is not something that's easily obtained. Most garbage that gets labeled like that today is someone's delusion and ignorance at best, and someone's agenda at worst. >>19984 A dog barking at things it doesn't understand, how entertaining. If Aryan history didn't have a specific purpose and a specific context, why would anyone seek to hide it? Understanding it's context reveals it's purpose, understanding it's purpose explains everything that has happened to it since it first manifested on this planet.

>>19985 >If Aryan history didn't have a specific purpose and a specific context, why would anyone seek to hide it? What does this have to do what anon said? >Understanding it's context reveals it's purpose, You're not talking about any context of specific histories of the Aryans, but typical Plato versus Nietzsche shit you see on halfchan's /lit/. Stop trying to LARP as a philosopher online.

How far back to humans go? It is actually an up-in-the-air question. There exists a good deal of anomalous human fossil evidence and evidence of artifacts that have been dated to be far older than the accepted time-scheme laid out by mainstream scientists today, who say that humans of the modern type only arose some 100,000 years ago. It is mainly through a process of knowledge filtration that this evidence is suppressed, since they scientists are exceedingly skeptical of any evidence that would reflect badly on their evolutionary theories, and thus call it all into question. Examples: One interesting example is the Laetoli footprints. They have been dated to 3.7 million years ago, preserved in volcanic ash. Typically these footprints are assigned to the hominid Australopithecus afarensis. There is one problem though. Australopithecus afarensis' has feet that are very unhuman like. The footprints of the Laetoli find are identical to those of modern humans. The discover of the footprints, Mary Leaky, herself admitted that the footprints were basically indistinguishable from anatomically modern humans Being an evolutionist though, she cannot say they are from humans, said only to have existed for 100,000 years. Compare the prints yourself though. The first image attached are the Laetoli prints. The second is the foot of Australopithecus afarensis. They don't match. In 'The Fossil Footprints of Laetoli' Mary Leakey admits the following: >They show the rounded heel, uplifted arch and forward-pointing big toe typical of the human foot. https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/24966522 V. Capecchi writes: >The prints at Laetoli are those of adult human or humanoid beings, of heights between one metre and one metre twenty, and of a child, each of whom must always have gone barefoot. Not only did they show no pithecoid features, but they do not differ from those of modern man" https://www.jstor.org/stable/29539518 To get even more schizo - In September 1862 the following appeared in the Scientific American: >A FOSSIL MAN.-The La Salle Press states that in Macoupin county, Ill. , the bones of a man were re­cently found on a coal bed capped with two feet of slate rock ninety feet below the surface of the earth, before the run cut any part away. The bones when found were covered with a crust or coating of hard, glossy matter as black as coal itself, but when scraped away left the bones White and natural . https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/24963192 The coal in which the Macoupin County skeleton is part of the Interior Province, or more specifically the Eastern Interior or Illinois Basin. These deposits are estimated to be of Pennsylvanian / Upper Carboniferous age, which lasted from roughly 323.2 million years ago to 298.9 million years ago. The Dorchester Pot: In June 1852 it was reported to the Scientific American that in Dorchester Massachusetts that after blasting through 15 feet of solid rock a beautiful metallic vase was discovered with silver inlaid floral patterns, blown in two pieces by the explosion. The stone from this area at that depth falls into the Roxbury Conglomerate, dating from Precambrian Age, or some 600 million years old. See image #3 There are literally hundreds of examples of anomalous artifacts and skeletons like this across millions of years of time that have been found. A good deal were found, not surprisingly, in the 19th century before evolution was cemented as the dominate theory. Out-of-place artifacts have continued to be occasionally found even in more modern times as well. It's important to point out though that even if all of these examples I have posted above and the rest of the evidence of 'forbidden archeology' was wrong, that this wouldn't prevent there being many possible alternative explanations that could be made. One could easily take the current prediction of 100,000 years for humans and say that they were created 100,000 years ago, and that there was another age where different creatures were created for a time before they went extinct or were terminated, one can't really say, really. For a full documentary of this by Dr. Richard L. Thompson, I urge everyone to watch these when they get a chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH0sn-vxV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wimr5Gyml90 When we consider that our ancient Aryan texts show a worldview of advanced technology (vimanas, the flying arrow of Abaris, etc), as well as time-cycles hundreds of thousands of years in length, we must wonder where these ideas came from.

>>19984 >on your cancer thread, Aryan religion. >Aryan religion >cancer . . .

>>19985 >If Aryan history didn't have a specific purpose and a specific context, why would anyone seek to hide it? Understanding it's context reveals it's purpose, understanding it's purpose explains everything that has happened to it since it first manifested on this planet. Correct however could you please stop being a nigger and fix your its'? Thank you.

>>20361 If very distant Aryan used to cremate the dead and with some great floods, archeology would have damn hard time finding anything of value. It took us ages to remember that the mutilated Sphinx wasn't just a damn head sticking out of sand dunes. <but where my supercities at? Maybe they didn't need them? That their natural science was unbelievably powerful? Or that perhaps those who settled around the North Pole were either absolute hippies or came from not-Mars and barely salvaged any tech? Who knows? >Laetoli and suppressed evidence That's some very nice injection of redpilling ITT. Much appreciated. The foot is absolutely modern human. Now, the dating is another problem in itself. How was it achieved? Are they still measuring the age of the stone material? I will look into that. >dead man covered with glossy black layer of matter Unless it glossified itself throughout the ages, it would have been of that texture back then. Glossy, vitrified, sounds like a massive explosion. Not volcanic ash but perhaps one cloud of particles expelled by the impact of a voluminous meteor. >90 feet below, alone He might have fallen into a crevasse. What happened to the others? Unless he was a paleo volcel.

>>20568 It's hard to deny that that thread is not cancer.

>>20568 You're retarded anon, and should re-read what I actually said. Point to where I called Aryan religion retarded. >>20571 >Now, the dating is another problem in itself. I doubt it's inaccurate, especially if they were and still are pushing hard to suppress rather 'debook' it. But of course an accurate date is urgent, but I doubt they ever had dated anything accurately that they've "found" or will he honest on the foundings of modern humans that are said to be much older than thought. They kvetch at anything that destroys both the Out Of Africa and Charles Darwin's evolution theories. I'll never understand why there are NatSoc who are patheic and gay enough to accept anything mainstream scientists spew.

>>20571 >If very distant Aryan used to cremate the dead and with some great floods, archeology would have damn hard time finding anything of value. And that's exactly what most likely happened. It of course of common knowledge that the ancient Aryans used cremation as the most common form of disposition for corpses. This mostly likely was even more common the deeper we look into the past. The great flood is also definitely something that we cannot overlook, as we know that this same flood was known to the Vedic Aryans as the flood of Manu, to the Greeks as the flood of Deucalion, to those in the Middle East variously as the flood of Noah, or of Utnapishtim, and of various other figures you are doubtlessly familiar with. The problem is dating when this flood actually occurred, but regardless, if the flood was big enough and powerful enough, it could be an important piece of the puzzle. When it comes to the question of cities, there are a few different hypotheses. I tend to agree with what you are saying for the most part, i.e. they didn't need them. Ancient Aryans didn't even have things such as temples in many cases, because nature itself was their temple. There were certainly cities, but they were far smaller than what we would label as cities today. They weren't building skyscrapers and covering everything in blacktop. They worked with nature in their architecture, only removing what they had to. We know that the ancient Aryans would hardly even harm a tree, let alone a plant, without reason. For the further back we go in the past, it is also worth keeping this in mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis We might not even be able to detect a past civilization sufficiently distant in the past. >Now, the dating is another problem in itself. How was it achieved? Are they still measuring the age of the stone material? Apparently it's through K–Ar dating. I am always suspicious of any of these dating techniques though, they rely on the assumption of a constant rate of decay, and that there was no contamination afterwards that would throw off the dating, among similar things. This is why carbon dating is such a joke. There are a lot more similar examples to these. I will have to post some more in the next few days.

312 Million Year-Old Iron Cup On January 10, 1949, Robert Nordling sent a photograph of an iron cup to Frank L. Marsh of Andrews University, in Berrien Springs, Michigan. Nordling wrote: > "I visited a friend's museum in southern Missouri. Among his curios, he had the iron cup pictured on the enclosed snapshot". At the private museum, the iron cup had been displayed along with the following affidavit, made by Frank J. Kenwood in Sulphur Springs, Arkansas, on Nov 27, 1948: >" While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Okla. in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the center, leaving the impression or mold of the pot in the piece of coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came rom the Wilburton, Oklahoma, Mines". https://www.creationresearch.org/crsq-1971-volume-7-number-4_huamn-footprints According to the State of Oklahoma Department of Mines: >Identified coal resources are present in an area of approximately 8,000 square miles in 20 counties in eastern Oklahoma. The area is within the southern part of the Western Region of the Interior Coal Province of the United States. The coal beds are of Middle and Late Pennsylvanian age. [...] https://mines.ok.gov/coal-and-coal-combustion For reference here, the Pennsylvanian age lasted from roughly 323.2 million years ago to 298.9 million years ago. If the affidavits are real, and this pot was found where it was said it was, this is just more proof of ancient human civilization.

65 Million Year-Old Metallic Tube Y. Druet and H. Salfati reported in 1968 the discovery of semi-ovoid metallic tubes of identical shape but of varying sizes in Cretaceous chalk in Saint-Jean de Livet, France. The chalk bed is estimated to be around 65 million years old. Druet and Salfati concluded that intelligent beings of some sort lived 65 million years ago after eliminating alternative hypotheses. Interestingly, another site reports >Desiring more information, we wrote to the geomorphology laboratory at the University of Caen, to which Druet and Salfati reportedly turned over their specimens, but we have not received a reply. We invite readers to communicate to us any information they might have about this case or similar cases, for inclusion in future editions of this book. http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/ciencia/hiddenhistory/hiddenhistory06.htm More evidence of knowledge filtration and hiding of artifacts? Source: https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=13B1F0A375788AF47D23CDAD5E6D8389

>>20576 Double negative retardobot.

>>20598 >I doubt it's inaccurate C14 dating gets exponentially unreliable as you reach the tens of thousands of year and it simply get much worse beyond. History is massively manipulated though, it's possible that many dates being given have been doctored, filtered. Unless we have /ourguys/ dating the stuff, it's impossible to know for sure. But not all labs are part of the cabal. >I'll never understand why there are NatSoc who are patheic and gay enough to accept anything mainstream scientists spew. Because a lot of it is still reliable and demonstrably works. It is the same problem we have as stated above about dating.

>>20603 >The problem is dating when this flood actually occurred, but regardless, if the flood was big enough and powerful enough, it could be an important piece of the puzzle. There are globally two floods, one gigantic that seems to be pinpointed at around 11,600 years ago I think, which is the one talked about by many cultures, even all across the Americas and the Pacific Ocean, which is the one that wrecked the Atlantean empire, and then it is possible that the Middle Eastern references may deal with a nearer and smaller one, although the importance of mount Ararat in the tales and the very size of this mountain suggest a large flood too. There is one that is identified a local, when the Black Sea area was dry but then the Bosporus opened up. I'll try to find another reference which I had come across, stored on some file, stuck on some computer. The other major issue with dating pieces of randomware is that some of them are forgeries too, or at least declared to be. Which hardly helps us until, again, reliable third parties look at them in detail. >>20607 >Iron pot I don't know how much coal can isolate materials that well, but iron in a mine would rust unless oxygen were perfectly barred from reaching the iron.

Was the whole crap about the Aryans being sodomites ever true? I find it vague and suspicious that most of the accounts of homosexuality in ancient Greece and India are on scriptures or pottery that are taken out of context or never came from Greece. Not only that most of the claims of sodomy in Greece and Rome are from historical books that are said by Christjews. What proof is there that the practioneers of natural law, ever accepted a forbidden relationship that was anti-nature.

>>20646 Filtered, selected proofs, possibly taken out of context. There might be some that are explicit but then are taken as general truth. Imagine a faggot ordering a vase with him fucking a young lad and giving said anal friend this vase as a present. Lo and behold, 2300 years later, this vase is discovered, and this proves all the people of that culture enjoyed butt sex. Homosexuals even touted a paper, perhaps a manifesto, wherein they openly stated their goal to bend history to their advantage. The fact that there happened phases of real degeneracy doesn't help, but as we can see today, what you would call sick and repulsive, the faggots laud it. There would also be artifacts that do not show any of this and would on the contrary be fairly neutral, or depict naked men without engaging sexually at all. Faggots would see in this a reflection of the mores they wish to cultivate at any time, forcing their interpretation onto distant segments of blurry history. Faggots have to lie to survive unless they bring the society down so they can "come out", which means that one should not trust a faggot and pay his words no heed.

>>20646 It can be found in works such as Plato's Symposium, the writings of Plutarch, some of the writings of Cicero, various forms of Greek art, etc. This was indeed a practice of some of the elite in the Mediterranean. Extreme aversion to homosexuality is mostly a Middle Eastern thing, though there are a few cases here and there of it warranting the death penalty, like what Tacitus mentions in his Germania, and I think one mention in Plato's Laws. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. One would have to be fooling themselves to think that there was absolutely zero sodomy going on.

>>20618 It comes down to the conditions the pot was in, I guess. The key elements are oxygen and water. Since it was allegedly embedded within a block of coal, and since it was deep underground and there can often be different sorts of gasses and low oxygen down there, it's not entirely inconceivable that it was kept from the worst of the worst. Apparently there are various sorts of rust-resistant iron too, just see this rust-resistant iron pole that exists in India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar_of_Delhi https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/incredible-rust-resistant-iron-pillar-delhi-001503

>>20653 >It can be found in works such as Plato's Symposium, the writings of Plutarch, some of the writings of Cicero Can you point to where any of them referenced sodomy in any of their works?

More on the theory of Aryans within Japan and some of Korea along with China. https://archive.vn/swtlH https://archive.vn/Izteu Smithosian report on Imperial Japan's suppression of the ainu and earliest Japanese https://archive.ph/QTShP <For much of the 20th century, Japanese government officials and academics tried to hide the Ainu. They were an inconvenient culture at a time when the government was steadfastly creating a national myth of homogeneity. So officials tucked the Ainu into files marked “human migration mysteries,” or “aberrant hunter-gatherers of the modern age,” or “lost Caucasoid race,” or “enigma,” or “dying race,” or even “extinct.” Iranians In Japan >http://archive.vn/R1ISc <A noteworthy Iranian influence exists on Japan. Iranian nomads, like the Scythians, are suggested to have influenced the Japanese culture and its aristocratic system. A number of historians also suggest that some Japanese clans are originally of Persian origin and were granted the title of local feudal lords. Scythian and especially Persian art had an impact on Japan during the Kofun period. Persian influence is also noted in the Kingdom of Silla. Kingdom of Silla http://archive.vn/idzcK <The styling of the outer part of the crowns suggests a Korean connection with the Scytho-Iranians (Saka) and the people of the Eurasian steppe. The crowns are a uniquely Korean product and show no Chinese influence. The Silla crown is also notably distinct from the crown of Baekje, the crown of Gaya, and the crown of Goguryeo kingdoms. The tree motif of the crown is commonly believed to represent the idea of the world tree which was an important tenet of Siberian and Iranian shamanism. <There may also be a connection with ancient Japan because the gogok were used extensively by the ruling elite of that society as well. These comma-shaped jewels of jade and glass may have symbolized the fruits and the bounty of trees. The use of many tiny gold mirrors dangling from the crown has led some to hypothesize that the crown, worn in sunlight, would be a dazzling spectacle reinforcing the tradition role of the Silla king as the symbolic representation of the sun on earth. Kingdom of Kibi http://archive.vn/8Syj1 <Kibi has often been associated with non-Yamato Japanese. Possible connections exist to the Iranian Scythians or the Emishi (one of the Jōmon people). One of the main reasons is that the early Japanese mention Kibi as being different to the Yamato-Japanese and practicing “non-Yamato” traditions. Cultural artifacts of the Kibi, like the many Balbals (Kasai rakan statues) found it its area, resemble more Caucasoid traits (like deep set eyes or higher nose bridges) than Mongoloid traits. According to one theory, the Kibi were of Scythian origin, precisely from modern day Iran or Afghanistan. This theory is based on proposed contacts between early Japan, Korea and the Scythians, as well as of the similarities between Scythian art and the local Kasai rakan. <It is more likely that Kibi was of a hybrid origin with a Japanese ruler class (of Yayoi origin) and an Emishi common class or warrior class. It is suggested that the Kasai rakan represented memorials of warriors and thus had more Emishi-like features. <The evidence of Kibi's importance in the fourth and fifth centuries is proven by the hundreds of kofun (tumuli) found in the area. A hereditary and aristocratic social structure followed more the Scythian or the Emishi sophisticated form of society, than the Chinese or Japanese ways. Even after Kibi was subjugated, the descendants of Kibi's chieftains remained very influential. https://archive.vn/xci4D <The Ordos culture was a culture occupying a region centered on the Ordos Loop (modern Inner Mongolia, China) during the Bronze and early Iron Age from the 6th to 2nd centuries BCE. The Ordos culture is known for significant finds of Scythian art and is thought to represent either the easternmost extension of Indo-European Eurasian nomads, such as the Saka, or to represent a culture formed by Turkic peoples.

>>20674 CONT. <The Ordos are mainly known from their skeletal remains and artifacts. The Ordos culture of about 500 BCE to 100 CE is known for its "Ordos bronzes", blade weapons, finials for tent-poles, horse gear, and small plaques and fittings for clothes and horse harness, using animal style decoration with relationships both with the Scythian art of regions much further west, and also Chinese art. Its relationship with the Xiongnu is controversial; for some scholars they are the same and for others different. Many buried metal artefacts have emerged on the surface of the land as a result of the progressive desertification of the region. <The Ordos are thought to be the easternmost of the Iranian peoples of the Eurasian Steppe, just to the east of the better-known Yuezhi, also an Indo-European people. Because the people represented in archaeological finds tend to display Europoid features, also earlier noted by Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen, Iaroslav Lebedynsky suggests the Ordos culture had "a Scythian affinity".

>>20657 Plato's Symposium: <So that if we could somewise contrive to have a city or an army composed of lovers and their favorites (στρατόπεδον ἐραστῶν τε καὶ παιδικῶν), they could not be better citizens of their country than by thus refraining from all that is base in a mutual rivalry for honor; and such men as these, when fighting side by side, one might almost consider able to make even a little band victorious over all the world. For a man in love (ἐρῶν γὰρ ἀνὴρ ὑπὸ παιδικῶν) would surely choose to have all the rest of the host rather than his favorite see him forsaking his station or flinging away his arms; sooner than this, he would prefer to die many deaths: while, as for leaving his favorite in the lurch, or not succoring him in his peril, no man is such a craven that Love's (Ἔρως) own influence cannot inspire him with a valor that makes him equal to the bravest born; The term Eros (Ἔρως) refers to erotic love, and is used in the original Greek in these passages. The line 'ἐρῶν γὰρ ἀνὴρ ὑπὸ παιδικῶν', uses a form of the verb 'ἐρᾰ́ω', which means to love with sexual passion. The term 'Eros' is of course where the English word 'erotic' comes from. The object of the present active participle ἐρῶν here is the noun 'παιδικῶν' (paidokon) is substantive adjective with the meanings 'Belonging to a child' or 'having to do with children: childish'. So what is being talked about here is classic boy love, and how boy love creates a strong military force. The term used in the first sentence of the quote is also telling, as it is 'στρατόπεδον ἐραστῶν τε καὶ παιδικῶν' (stratópedon eraston te kai paidikon) - firstly, the term 'ἐραστῶν ' is a form of the noun εραστής, which refers to a lover (in the sense of Eros). The term translated as 'favorites' is of course the same work referring to boys discussed above. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0174%3Atext%3DSym.%3Asection%3D178e http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0173%3Atext%3DSym.%3Asection%3D178e http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0174%3Atext%3DSym.%3Asection%3D179a http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0173%3Atext%3DSym.%3Asection%3D179a >the writings of Plutarch See the passage linked below in English. A look at the words used for 'lovers' and 'love' again shows that it is the love of Ἔρως being referred to, not ᾰ̓γᾰ́πη. This section is about the Sacred Band of Thebes, solely comprised of homosexuals, which is what is advocated for in the Symposium as well. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0054%3Achapter%3D18 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plut.+Pel.+18&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0120 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes >Cicero <Still, like what kind of man? For it is only a few who are beautiful; when I was at Athens scarcely one would be found in each division of the ephebi. I understand why you smile, but nevertheless the fact is so. Besides, those of us who take pleasure, as the ancient philosophers allow us to do, in the society of youths, often find even their imperfections charming. “A mole on a boy’s finger delights Alcæus.” Yet it is a bodily defect. To Alcæus, however, it seemed an ornament. Quintus Catulus, the father of the Quintus Catulus who is our contemporary, and my friend and colleague, had a fondness for your fellow-townsman Roscius, to whom he also addressed the following verses: <I chanced to have stood doing reverence to the rising dawn, when suddenly Roscius rises on my left. Powers of heaven, with your leave may I say it, the mortal seemed to be fairer than the god <Fairer, that is, to him, though Roscius had, as he has to-day, a most pronounced squint. However, what did that matter, if his admirer found the squint itself attractive and becoming? http://files.libertyfund.org/files/539/Cicero_0040.pdf We could probably also refer to the story of Zeus snatching up beautiful boys like Ganymede for himself, and the term 'catamite', of course, comes from the name Ganymede, referring to pederasty and boy love. And we cannot forget Nero's beloved wife (male).

Uncanny resemblance? Or is it our desire, to patrol and conquer the wild steppes and plains? From Parthia to Prescott, the unconquerable desert seems to be a familiar place with the Aryan man. All we need is a horse and a piece of iron.

>>20680 >3rd image >tranime You're definitely gay. Also the story of ganymede was already debunked by Plato as a mistranslation and perversion of the myth. Ganymede was only made cup-bearer by Zeus. Also >Perseus Stop linking this site, most of the translations of supposed texts are from retarded Jesuits, clergymen and faggots. Classcists from the 18th century are retarded and forgeries along with mistranslations were all-time. Classcists barely understood any of what Cicero or Plato was saying and there also evidence that many writings of Rome and Greece were re-written by Christcucks during the reinassiance as propaganda and to legitmaize Christianity.

>>20692 >Also the story of ganymede was already debunked by Plato as a mistranslation and perversion of the myth This doesn't prove what you think it does, it proves that there was rampant sodomy going on in ancient Greece, and that this was also present in Rome, and other Mediterranean cultures. And this was so widely acknowledged that the term 'catamite' was borrowed into Etruscan and Latin from the name of Ganymede. Ergo, more evidence of ancient sodomy. Plato's works, as proven, have rampant advocacy for pederasty and eros-based relationships between men in them. You crying over my choice of website is pathetic, because I offer both the original Greek and a translation. One could find the translation on any site, you're just mad that I'm actually quoting and pulling up sources from such an extensive resource >many writings of Rome and Greece were re-written by Christcucks during the reinassiance as propaganda and to legitmaize Christianity. The Renaissance was a return to pagan sources against Christianity, retard. Come back when you have actual critiques. You are so brainwashed into Jewish dialectics you cannot think with nuance at all. I have nothing against, in a broad sense, ancient Aryan civilization, but faggotry is rampant in their works and art, especially for the Greeks and Romans, with very few dissenting voices.

>>20693 I wonder if that faggotry tends to be clustered around certain points within their history. It wouldn't surprise me to see it more during the decadence age preceding a fall.

>>20693 The statue is an edit you disgusting (((faggot))). There are many edits of female statues on the internet made to be hermaphrodites.

>>20693 >This doesn't prove what you think it does, it proves that there was rampant sodomy going on in ancient Greece, and that this was also present in Rome, and other Mediterranean cultures. Yes it does dumbass Christcuck, sodomy wasn't rampant nor apart of their mainline culture, the only people who want this to be true are the ones who are dumb enough to credit homosexuality with Western inventions and pedophiles themselves. As >>20652 said as well, most of them are either taken out of context, farbicated, or simply put lied to denounce paganism as inferior. You have demonstrated no truth, you are the worst poster on this thread and fully got me behind total Christian genocide. >inb4 anti-White and more spergy There is nothing wrong with killing spiritual Jews.

>>20696 Why are you so embarrassed over a Greco-Roman deity? It's not an edit, it's the god Hermaphroditus, a fertility deity closely related to Aphrodite. All of these can't be 'muh edits', retard. Are you forgetting this is the same society where people would wear penis amulets to ward off evil? I'm not ashamed of any of it. >>20694 There's some theory where faggotry crops up along a certain latitude, and the Mediterranean falls within it. I can't remember the name of the theory or who proposed it. It seems pretty spread across their history though, that doesn't mean it was anything like the freakshow we're seeing today, or that all classes were involved in this. >>20699 >trying to derail yet another thread into muh Christianity and muh Christcuck boogieman You shills are so obvious. You can't propose any arguments either, you're not even worth my time.

>>20714 >h-he's not real! Sorry that our ancestors didn't follow modern Christcuck morality, buddy. Doesn't mean you need to approve of everything they did, but this god is real https://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/ErosHermaphroditos.html

>>20711 >Hermaphroditus, a fertility deity closely related to Aphrodite. Not fertility, but marriage, the union of man and woman. According to Ovid, its the son of Hermes and Aphrodite born as a man. As a young man he went on an adventure and encountered a nymph, Salmacis. She lusted after him and after being rejected she wrapped her arms around him and wished they would never be separated. The gods granted her wish and the two of them were merged into a single being.

>>20711 >muh shills and boogeyman You posted these images in the anti-Abrahamic thread aftering losing an argument with some anon. >Are you forgetting this is the same society where people would wear penis amulets to ward off evil? I'm not ashamed of any of it. Are you forgetting that this same society that banned pediastry, witches and went after homosexuals in both Athens and Sparta? We literally had a talk about the BS claims of homosexuality in Ancient Greece and gave PDF that debunked the sodomy claims of Ancient Greece from the previous board. Being stupid on Christimas will reward you a lump of coal anon. By the way, all translations of Greek gods are not accurate, but are scholar and clergymen's interpretations. >>20716 >he's not real See? You're the same person, you can't read for shit and deflect the arguments.

>>20716 >theoi.com/Ouranios/ErosHermaphroditos.html >Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4. 6. 5 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) : >"Hermaphroditos (Hermaphroditus), as he has been called, who was born of Hermes and Aphrodite and received a name which is a combination of those of both his parents. Some say that this Hermaphroditos is a god and appears at certain times among men, and that he is born with a physical body which is a combination of that of a man and that of a woman, in that he has a body which is beautiful and delicate like that of a woman, but has the masculine quality and vigour of a man. But there are some who declare that such creatures of two sexes are monstrosities Based

>>20717 It was originally about the mystical union of separate genders, masculine and feminine, without either losing it's nature but enhancing the characteristics of the other by contrast. Imagine having a waifu perfectly tailored for you, and you being perfectly tailored for her, to the point of not needing any other woman/man ever again. This is also what the marriage was all about, long before Christianity. Trannies are the exact opposite of this, a situation where genders cancel each other and lose their distinct traits. Metaphysically, trannies are disintegrating themselves, so are rabid feminists. Deep down they know it, that's why they seek to destroy any healthy relationship or sexuality. Faggots have always existed, that's why there are some lesser pagan deities for that, but those were hardly relevant as most people just saw them as a bunch of sick individuals and moved on with their lives.

>>20718 >You posted these images in the anti-Abrahamic thread aftering losing an argument with some anon. Prove it. Show me the file-names and the same exact images being posted.

“Tocharian update: CCP study on Xinjiang Tarim Basin mummies is full of lies, unproven claims, and disinformation” https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/10/29/tocharian-update-ccp-study-on-xinjiang-tarim-basin-mummies-is-full-of-lies-unproven-claims-and-disinformation/ Scholars linked with the CCP are again attempting to muddy the waters regarding the ancient history of White China. This is just another example of a long line of bad studies and lies from them. First they wouldn’t let anyone see the bones or study them except for Chinese, now they’ve resorted to this. They’re honestly desperate to cover up the ancient history of China, probably because the real foundations of Chinese civilization are being increasingly revealed as red-haired Aryans. Imagine not being a Nordicist in the current year.

>>22281 Cute article and all, but this is old news, also >This admixture event is predicted to have occurred very soon after the West Eurasian / East Eurasian split following the Out of Africa migration. He still believes in the dumb OOA myth like your average vaccinated soyfreak. Using pozzed to counter pozz is like using gay buttsex to counter sodomy.

>>22356 Wow, does Thuletide seriously believe in OOA? Embarrassing. At this point I should just set up a counter-blog to post true Aryan history as discussed ITT so that people will be able to share it rather than shilling for David Reich's genetics which he or no one else has any real way of testing. The evidence from a textual perspective alone proves all we need to know about our real history.

>>10774 The hair is light because of the fact its been concealed in darkness for fucking 2000 years. Are you unable to think? The whole reason the hair and skin of the human populations are lighter the further away from the equator you get is because it is darker. The real thing to take away from the mummy is the fact that 1. It's nose bone and cartiledge is too developed to be that of a sub-Saharan, and 2. The hair is straight and not frizzy.

>>12429 >Whites are probably closer to the form of the primordial man than non-Whites is my thinking. Why are Whites seen as objectively more beautiful by people of all races? This is bang on the money IMO. The ancient Whites (Cro-Magnons) embodied all the qualities that we would today consider deistic. The Cro-Magnon lived for over 30,000 years (70,000BCE-40,000BCE) in Anatolia, in a state of constant special war for existence or extintion against the Neanderthals (I.e. The ancestors of Khazars). Following the recession of Neanderthal into the Caucasian Alps, the Cro Magnons went on to spread across the planet reaching aforementioned (as mentioned by >>8553 >>8103 >>5180 >>2545 >>2544) areas such as Middle East, Africa (Norther regions, where's within the southern we find the Homo-Erectuses), Americas and East Asia, where they were held up the deities and interbred with local homo-offshoots. They didnt intermix (due to a lack of population numbers as compared to the native populations) enough to have permanent effects, but enough interaction to nonetheless earn a place in their cultures as the embodiment of terrestrial deities. https://cienciayraza.blogspot.com/2015/06/cro-magnonatlanteans-colonised-america.html . Over the following tens of thousands of years, not living under the same constant warring conditions as those of Europe, as it would face up until 1945, the oriental populations that were once White/partially White fell into states of sloth and degeneration as the result of relaxed social environments not made as cutthroat (Survivial of the fittest) as those found within the European peninsular (where some degree of degeneratino took place but nonetheless mitigated by continual cultural and military advancement). Upon the colonization of the new world, these degenerated and incompetent races (for the most part, as they still experienced many outstanding figures born from their stocks over the centuries) were re-introduced to the descendants of Cro Magnons, believing them to be Gods- perhaps subconsciously or consciously. Both sides knew that the undegenerated descendants of cro-magnons from europe were superior (playing into the European exceptionalism belief, which is born of subconscious realisations of this reality in differences). But these degenerated races, envious of the clear superioirty of the other, saught to relieve themselves of this subconscious inferiority by wiping their new found enemies from the face of the earth- just like how the Hutu population of Rwanda wished to remove their imposing and more attractive Tutsi competitors from the face of the earth. This programme has since been systematically instgated by the descendents of Khazars ,whose own descendents waged war with the cro-magnons all those mellenia ago.

>>23866 The Egyptians had red-headed gods (i.e. ancestors - think of Euhemerism). The founding population of Egypt was White. The case of Set is one good example. We see similar things in Mesoamerica. There is no founding of civilization without White impetus. >The Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BC) describes the followers of Set (Seth) as red haired and fair skinned (cf. Beiträge zur Ältesten Geschichte Ägyptens, 1903, p. 127; Wainright, 1938, p. 31) >A papyrus dating to the 13th century BC (Dynasty XIX) describes the ”followers of Seth” as redheads (Hieratic Papyri in the British Museum, Third Series, i, Text, pp. 10, 20, 21) >A fragment from the Dream Book of Papyrus Chester Beatty III describes Seth as red haired (quoted in The Ancient Egyptians, Adolf Erman, 1978, p. xv) >In the ”Festival Songs of Isis and Nephyths” the followers of Seth are called the ”red ones” after their red hair (Bremner-Rhind P. I, 5, 1 cf. Faulkner, HEA 22, 125, 135) >Diodorus Siculus (1st century BC) describes Typhon (Set) as red-haired (i. 88. 5) >Plutarch (1st century AD) notes that Typhon (Set) had red hair (De Iside et Osiride, 362. xxx) >Petrie in his Religion and Conscience in Ancient Egypt (1898) notes ”That Set belongs to the Libyans or Westerns is probable, because he is considered to have red hair and a White skin.” (p. 32) >Margaret Bunsen in her Encylopedia of Ancient Egypt (2002) notes that the followers of Seth ”were called ‘the red ones’ because they supposedly had red faces and red hair” (p. 139)

>>23869 >Ancient Whites >Cro-magnons >They came from Anatolia!!!! t.Robert Sepher Please shut the fuck up with this low-IQ and retarded interpretation of White history based off shitlib science and not anything real.

>>23866 >The hair is light because of the fact its been concealed in darkness for fucking 2000 years. Are you unable to think? You're retarded as it was discovered that they had naturally light-hair and there were no effects in their natural pigments. Cheetah cuck you are not a fascist, but a stupid negro who ruins every board he types on. https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/new-research-shows-some-ancient-egyptians-were-naturally-fair-haired-005812

>>23880 t. Neanderthal

>>22369 I wish someone would set up such a blog, that would be a very useful resource for many of us.

>>23882 >N-neanderthal boogeymanz!!! >Trust the scienzzzz You're literally autistic and not in the good way.

>>23903 >N-no, you must either unconditionally accept whatever gets sold as "science" or be a religious nutcase with no connection with reality The kosher sandwich >You're literally autistic Yeschad.png >and not in the good way I'm a very bad goy indeed

>>23882 >Jews >High Testosterone Interesting. Typically Jewish behavior doesn't exactly strike me as particularly ballsy.

>>23905 Jews have by absorption racemixed themselves to such an extent into their host societies that all is possible. They are gene stealers.

>>23908 Yes, pic related. Wherever the Jew goes, he assumes the appearance of the host population within a few generations. It is like some sort of demonic drive. >>23904 Yes, always be careful of those who attempt to push false dichotomies of this variety. This is what Jewish New Atheists and other types do, they push the conflict model of spirituality and science. This is completely false. They are in complete accordance with one another. Science has purposes, but science should always be approached critically. I admit that with genetics studies, I am often skeptical, because I cannot do this research myself, but sometimes the research goes to support some of the very theories in this thread, so it is possible that not all of the information is completely fabricated. Bad actors lurk in our midst. >>23882 Interesting. I truly believe that Jews are not human. It's like the theories on /x/ about the uncanny valley. Why does this adaptation exist? Because there was something to be afraid of, and it was Jews! Jews were also behind almost every legend of witches, trolls, goblins, vampires and other monstrous creations of legend. It is ingrained into the human psyche to fear and hate Jews.

>>23903 >>23880 lol

>Shalom, goyim of the Grug tribe, we come in peace! Let us live among you, and we shall lend you golden rocks, and we shall give our daughters to your finest men! (pic 1) >100,000 years later (pic 2) >>23932 Interesting. Sauce?

>>23970 http://michaelbradley.info/esau/esau-chapter3.html

>>23904 >N-no, you must either unconditionally accept whatever gets sold as "science That's literally what you're doing as there is no evidence that Jews have high Neanderthal dna, but that's besides the point, because cro-magnons and Neanderthal is something that midwits battle on about, even though no ones who they were or if they existed. >Religious nutcase Yup definitely retarded. >Yeschad png >Yes I acknowledge I'm retarded At least you know your place. >I'm a bad goy No you're just retarded.

>Schizos from /pol/ still believe in the Khazar meme, despite the fact that Jews lack Central Asian DNA >Khazar meme only exists to detract the fact that Syrians were imported in Europe via the Roman Empire and Jews prospered during this time >Constantine can be credited to the rise of Jewish power >Charlemagne and the Eastern Roman Empire can also be credited to their rise of power >That Christians and Muslims generally have brought more Jews to Europe >That most Ashkenazis are from Italy and Spain and have likely been there prior to muh Khazars. >>23882 Your meme is so inaccurate and cringe. None of your screenshots show any scientific research of Jews having high Neanderthal DNA specifically Ashkenazis, they're just cherry-picks of likely outdated or just downright wrong studies and /pol/ ramblings. The icings on the cake is that you're using coming to conclusions based on the theories of Jewish schizos meaning you need to be told everything as far as world history and biology by Jews. Some of (((you))) are taking every word they say as truth, even if it's vague and sketchy. And some of you here are outright an example of why fascism fails as you clearly show that you thrive living in caves for thinking that all Jews look the same and are not their biological appearances do not vary based on their ancestry (except their long noses sometimes), as if there aren't a diverse set of looks amongst Jews due to the fact they come from different ethnic background from Nordic to med. You can't conclude that this is a result of Neanderthal admixture, unless you want to self-roast yourselves and declare Europeans as the ones who are of bad blood and being genetically similar to kikes, because fun-fact Europeans are one of the few races who gotten a large number of their DNA from Neanderthals. Jews are genetically fucked up, because of interbreeding and mixing their blood with other genetically dysgenic groups. You must have the brain of a Nigerian tribesmen if you unironically think Jews are Neanderthals or Neanderthal ancestry contributes to their behaviour. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29040546/ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4 Vid here gives a proper explanation of scientific analysis and studies in a nutshell. If you think you're going save the huWhite race with Amerimutt institutional studies then you're already admitting that you're a normalfag or care for your an agenda over knowledge.

>>24014 >>24017 >It's afraid

>>24018 >No argument Coping hard here. I guess we can affirm that you're at-least 100% nigger monkey.

Let's never forget that most scientific studies cannot be replicated.

>>24022 >desperately IP-hopping I have never seen someone get this upset over the Jews being exposed for what they are - non-human neanderthals. The more I watch how these hominid parasites function in human societies, the clear it is that they are not us, and never will be. The jig is up. Just like with niggers, Jews are not fully Homo Sapiens. >>24031 >Let's never forget that most scientific studies cannot be replicated. This kills the science shill.

>>24124 >IP-hopping I never desperately IP-hopped. I was always originally on Tor. >have never seen someone get this upset over the Jews being exposed for what they are Am I upset? It seems to me you are the only who is ass-blasted that I'm not fooled by a dumb meme that was never backed up any concrete evidence outside of scholar talks who don't even imply that Jews are of a different hominid. I also noticed that you didn't respond to my other critical points, funny. Most of you here and along with the scholars you link, don't know what a Neanderthals even is or means. Thetheory that Jews are Neanderthals theory only comes from the mouth of schizo posters who half read the studies they post and I'm merely calling out its inconsistency and how often shilled within fascists and NS circles as if it's something we all need to conclude as truth and only truth. There's also the fact that most of the people who have been scapegoating Neanderthals, a likely fictional creature, are Christian Identitists, or are just supporters of the "tism" within modern science. You don't know what a Jew or Neanderthal is, you only want to latch them on to a term so you can make yourself believe you're solving a problem, while simultaneously being reckless when coming to conclusions. >Jews are not fully Homo Sapiens Then why is it that Jews can intermix with White Europeans and produce a offspring? Why do Jews have all the biological components that all humans have? Why can Jews inherit the genes of a White person? You must be the same guy who coped hard in trying to prove that niggers aren't of the same species as White Europeans and we can evolve into a new and superior species. >Robert Sepher Your image has nothing to do with anything I've said. Also Sepher is a Jew. He literally shilled the Kabbalah, and thinks Aryans wuzz Jewzz in his Secret History of the Scythians video. He's a former Jew or raised as White man who's now a CI shill. I wouldn't take most or anything he says as fakes, because he's clearly not on our side.

>>24124 Anon, we ... we made it seethe... >>24200 >Neanderthals, a likely fictional creature wew. They are just a part of the equation tho. >Then why is it that Jews can intermix with White Europeans and produce a offspring? The same way a virus can enter your cell and make it produce more of a virus >Why do Jews have all the biological components that all humans have? To fool their victims that they are human https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/56018/8-parasites-create-zombie-animals

>>24124 >>24202 >Thinking your samefagging is fooling anyone >Tho >Talking like a nigger >To fool their victims that they are human >Dodges and misunderstands the question >Links mentalfloss >Unironically thinks Jews are some type of Reptilian creatures who can just change their appearance at a whim Amazing, you are clearly a shill and not very smart one at that. >>24200 >He literally shilled the Kabbalah, and thinks Aryans wuzz Jewzz in his Secret History of the Scythians video. He's a former Jew or raised as White man who's now a CI shill. His videos are posted on almost on every /pol/ board and maybe anywhere within NS circles. I was recommended a video of this guy and watched what had been something on UFOs and a NS Antarctica base, and it's clear that the only reason why anons look up to him, as far as information, is because of his UFO content. He has some vague but sometimes does the job of proving himself instead of just making things up out of his mind on the particular topic he covers (at-least on the UFO stuff). His Scythian video does expose him as a potential kike or Christcuck. It is also suspicious how he hasn't been banned on Jewtube for outright putting the Germans in a positive perspective within some of his videos maybe he is Jewish.

>>24200 You're arguing with a d/c shill (24202 and 24213). Pay it no mind whatsoever - you can't 'win' an argument with it by design. >>24202 >>24213 Fuck off back to 4cuck or 8kun or wherever it is that you kike shills live now. Fucking Sepher.. KEK.

>>24213 >Seethes when its non-human nature is exposed >Accuses you of what it is doing itself >Feels an instinctive urge to appear smarter in order to deceive goyim The creature ... it is startled... I'm afraid anons, now it wants to jew me to death and rape the corpse >Reptilian creatures Not at all, you see, their Neanderthal blood-lust and multi-generational consumption of human blood made them acquire certain hereditary diseases that control their behavior (look up mind-controlling parasites). This is the true redpill that explains all of their rituals (incl. sucking the blood from baby penises after circumcision), and the vampire myth as well. They were originally a mix of Neanderthals and humans that have mated with most other races, but it's the mind-controlling parasite that makes them actual Jews. This is also what they worship as "god" and what the inner circle rabbis are carefully breeding in the select populace. Now, I understand this will trigger you more than a thousand shoa's, but try resisting it Schlomo, I have faith in you.

>>24202 >wew. They are just a part of the equation tho. No they aren't as established within my previous posts. >The same way a virus can enter your cell and make it produce more of a virus Not even remotely the same, it seems you failed all of your science classes, especially biology, because Jews are not a literal virus they are worst of humanity who have been taught by prophets and demons that they are "chosen ones" and were created to self-admittedly act against the natural order. This is a cause and effect on human behavior through years of a theocratic government controlling the masses within Jerusalem. We see this same effect on Whites. >To fool their victims that they are human They are human. This doesn't mean you have to respect or intermix with them. You seem to have Christcuck perspective of what human means. >>24218 >IP hops Funny when you just excused of me of this. >Not at all, you see, their Neanderthal blood-lust and multi-generational consumption of human blood made them acquire certain hereditary diseases that control their behavior (look up mind-controlling parasites). This is the dumbest shit I've read tonight. Anon take your pills and go find another board to shit up. Prove Neanderthals are Jews or you admit to being a d/c shill. Cro-Magnons were also said to be cannibals, as a matter of fact it is said that most Early-Humans were possibly cannibals by scholars. The Aryan versus Jew war isn't Cro-Magnons versus Neanderthals, it's merely a spiritual war of descendants of the God(s) against spiritual demons. You are totally blue-pilled on everything are trying to use scientism as a way to describe our enemies and fail miserably to do so lol.

>>24200 >most of the people who have been scapegoating Neanderthals, a likely fictional creature, are Christian Identitists This is nonsense. Funnily it is (you) who comes out sounding more like the Christian when you claim baselessly that Neanderthals are potentially fictional. >Then why is it that Jews can intermix with White Europeans and produce a offspring? The current scientific definition of a species is wrong. They're some sort of highly divergent sub-group, if anything. Scientists claim that that lions and tigers are different species, but can create offspring. Scientists will also claim that if a certain creature changes its behavior in some way and ends up living among the original group and not interbreeding with the others is an actual example of speciation as well, even though they are technically interfertile still. Sympatric speciation, etc. What constitutes a species is completely up in the air, and often very arbitrary. The current and most common definition of a species is Ernst Mayr's biological species concept, which says that if a group interbreeds among themselves and not with others, that they are a species. This is dumb, and doesn't even account for asexual organisms. Scientists have no clue what they are doing. Also, again, remember Wasmannian mimicry, as showed at >>23917. Hypothetically (not to say this is true, per se ), Jews could be a widely divergent species that has through adaptation, assumed a likeness of a human being. This could explain the uncanny valley. Blood memory is warning of skinwalkers. >He literally shilled the Kabbalah, Everyone should explore Jewish mysticism to better understand their thinking, insights and goals. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you don't study Kabbalah.

>>24222 >it is said that most Early-Humans were possibly cannibals by scholars. This is carefully targeted dehumanization propaganda. Cannibals have always been reviled in advanced civilizations, with a few exceptions, and the exceptions themselves are products of the debased races that have founded (or according to the facts presented in this thread), more accurately inherited a civilization. They want to reduce you to the level of an animal. Most cannibal groups were successfully eradicated in ancient times. >you vill eat the human flesh >you vill drink the poop vater

>>2543 More interesting evidence that Genghis Khan was White or very close to White.

>>23970 >How could grug kill 6 long-nose in holobunga when there were only 3? >Longnose tribe bring shadow-skin to grug cave! >>24315 >tfw the mongolian empire should've been the caucasian empire

I found something interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Awwam It's difficult to believe that Arabs built this.

>>24373 More examples of ancient Afro-Arab architecture

You think this statue looks like a medieval English king? Wrong! It was actually an Afro-Arab king

>>24377 KEK! There has NEVER been a nigger with a profile like that. Ever. Try again, Moshi.

>>24387 i think it was sarcasm fren

>>24373 >>24373 Many runes there, besides much of this was considered state-of-the-art high tech for it's time when it was built. As a preliminary goes to show shadowskins never did anything worth of note.

>>24373 >>24376 >>24377 I wish we knew more about what Arabia was like at that time. We know that by the 7th century Muhammad being essentially a White man was something that was notable enough where it was remarked on again and again in oral Muslim accounts, so the demographic decline had evidently set in by that point already, if not much earlier. Though it is worth asking whether Arabia was ever more than a tiny percentage White, because if we are to take the accounts of the early Israelites having genes for red hair found in places such as the Bible and later Jewish iconography as accurate, we also know that Ishmael mixed with Arabs when Abraham sent him away, and that eventually this led to the Arabian tribes of Muhammad and similar groups, which were evidently over a millennia later still able to produce the occasional redhead. The peninsula was filled with Jews as well. The area of Yemen started to get Jewish settlement by the time of King Solomon (10th century BCE), and eventually converted to Judaism in the centuries before Islam from Arabian paganism.

>>24315 >>24363 >Evidence suggests that many Mongoloid and Caucasoid nomadic tribes inhabited the present-day Mongolian plateau over thousands of years. Since Genghis Khan’s era, the Mongolian population underwent rapid and considerable gene flow from Eurasia, resulting in additional genetic admixture. Likewise, the Mongolian population was formed by the continuous admixture of indigenous tribes who inhabited the Mongolian plateau, with European and other Asian populations who inhabited regions geographically distant from Mongolia. This admixture has deeply influenced the physical appearance of modern-day Mongolian people, exhibiting both Mongoloid and Caucasoid features >The mixing between Mongoloid and Caucasoid ethnic groups inherent in the genetic structure of modern-day Mongolians was also observed in the Tavan Tolgoi bodies. The Golden family members carried mtDNA haplogroups D4 and CZ, mostly found in Far Eastern and Northeastern Asia, respectively, whereas male members of Golden family carried the Y-hap-logroup R1b-M343, dominant in Western Europe [41–43]. That is, although members of Golden family were physically Mongoloid, their molecular genealogy revealed the admixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid ethnic groups. Thus, it is likely that their Mongoloid appearance would have resulted from gradual changes in their appearance from Caucasoid to Mongoloid through generations from their ancestors. Their physical appearance was largely attributed to D4-carrying Mongoloid females who were indigenous peoples of the Mongolian plateau, rather than an R1b-M343-carrying Caucasoid male spouse who had initially moved from Europe to the Mongolian plateau and his male descendants; it is, however, uncertain how and when the admixture between Mongoloid and Caucasoid ethnic groups originated in the Mongolian plateau. Literally carrying Western Europe dominant genetics! https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622 https://sci-hub.st/https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

>>24413 >Though it is worth asking whether Arabia was ever more than a tiny percentage White This is a loaded question that implies methods commonly used to manipulate statistics today. First of all, the general Arab region of today is many times larger than the historical area in question, secondly, the occasional redhead mutt is not enough to maintain, let alone expand the civilization built by Whites, thirdly, non-Whites breed like rats and can quickly replace White populations (as we can witness today) and that's without forcing them to migrate or outright genociding them. The presence of the Jews only makes it even more suspicious. It's becoming more and more evident that the official historical narrative is bunk, if not outright intentionally misleading in order to conceal the real history of the world. And purely coincidentally, there are various (((Muslim extremists))) today trying to destroy those sites just like they did in Iraq. The most reasonable conclusion would be that there was a smaller White nation (or even several of them) in the region, surrounded by niggers and mudskins, that eventually replaced them. The same scenario as with ancient Egypt, India and countless other places in the world. >The area of Yemen started to get Jewish settlement by the time of King Solomon (10th century BCE), and eventually converted to Judaism in the centuries before Islam from Arabian paganism. Those conversions are highly curious and seem to follow the general pattern of Judaization and subsequent fall/extinction of Whites. This even adds some credibility to the "White Israelites" theory, except that they were not followers of the One God of Solomon but pagans and polytheists instead.

>>24236 >This is nonsense. Funnily it is (you) who comes out sounding more like the Christian Christians don't say this shit. You clearly live under a rock as they unironically believe in the retarded Cro-Magnon versus Neanderthal war on the Magnons' side. >The current scientific definition of a species is wrong Says who? Some fucking idiot on a imageboard for fascists? Humans and other species cannot produce offsprings at all and yet a White man and Jew can. You are coping hard and contradicting any times you've used Ashkenazis who are part White as our excuse for why the West is degenerate. >Scientists claim that that lions and tigers are different species, but can create offspring. Lions and tigers can rarely produce an offspring which is known as a hybrid. Whites and Jews will not create hybrids offspring, as they their child will have all human biological functions and both are of the species (duh). To say we are a different species will require an explanation for why Whites and kikes can easily pop out a child compared to other species, which will lead to another contradiction of Jewish infiltration of Europe. You once again out yourself as a psued. You have no clue what you're talking about and are a nobody telling a field of researchers that they do not know what they researched and studied as you also rely on their studies. You just proved my point that you only care about your low-IQ agendas. >Everyone should explore Jewish mysticism to better understand their thinking No we shouldn't and thanks for admitting you're a kike. He shills Jewish mysticisms as a form of positivity or enlightenment. The only people who should read Jewish mysticisms are those who seek to destroy Judaism and are purely outside of the Abrahamic programming. Excuses, excuses to deflect my post.

>>24315 This doesn't prove that Genghis Khan was White, but was a hapa whose surrounding tribes had either intermixed with Mongoloids and probably still were. All of them had maternally East-Asian parents, while the fathers are caring a Western European marker that indicates their greatest grandfather was European. So your study concluded that they were likely part-White or 1/3 White, but mostly East-Asian.

>>24446 but Genghis Khan embodies the Triumph of the Will. how could he be a HAPA? I've noticed that White/asian mixes tend to be particularly unstable, eg Elliot Rodger and Mayli.

>>24446 Genghis Khan himself was a White man. Rashid al-Din reported this. He was blue eyed with red hair, just like his ancestors the Borjigin.