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All-Purpose Dharmic Philsophy Thread Blackshirt 03/23/2021 (Tue) 00:26:25 ID:930088 No. 447
About time we had one. I'll begin with an interesting tweet thread going over how proper Buddhism has nothing in it that encourages social justice: https://twitter.com/gesarofbling/status/1070566104089583618
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Anyone looking for a good commentary on the Bhagavad Gita should check out the pic I attached with commentary by Ramanuja. Prabhupada's commentary is pretty solid in itself, but what I like about Ramanuja's commentary so far (I'm not done with it) is that he is much more terse and elaborates on the meaning of a verse in very interesting ways, or links them with other verses that have just been discussed recently. I was going to give a PDF of this but I cannot find it.
Reposting from the QTDDTOT a book on Buddhism and masculinity.
A good article about Buddhism and Free Will, like the Greeks and Romans, the Buddha found the freedom of the will to be a non-issue, pretty interesting. https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/budfree.htm
>>998 Really fucking interesting. >Normally we assume that there has to be a self or an agent in order for there to be freedom, but this is just the presumption Nagarjuna questions. If we cannot call the web of causal relations free since it lacks a self, by the same token we cannot call it determined, since nothing outside of it is causing it. >To the extent that people identify a self, that self is determined by causes outside of it. So, the correlation in the Christian tradition of self and freedom is reversed: rather than correlates, self and freedom are antitheses. And Buddhism is neutral monism, like all Aryan religions and philosophies.
>>1001 Various kinds of robots and artificial intelligences were definitely known in the past and put to use in Dharmic civilizations. The relics of the Buddha, of course, were known to be guarded by automatons called ‘bhūtavāhana-yanta’. Yanta is the Pali word that comes from Sanskrit Yantra, or a machine. Apollonius of Tyana was also said to have observed various forms of advanced technology in India as well, such as automatons who served as cupbearers for a king. There is another text from the 11th century written in Pali which mentions how machines are constructed in a kingdom called Roma (!): >Roma, according to the story, was filled with makers of automata—what the text calls literally “machines that were the vehicles of spirits,” bhūtavāhana-yanta, or mechanical beings animated by a kind of life force. In Roma, these machines carried out many functions, like commerce (buying and selling), agriculture, and protection. The secrets of this technology were fiercely guarded, and the machine-makers (yantakāras) of Roma were expected to report periodically to the royal court. If there was any prolonged absence, an automaton was sent to hunt down and kill the errant artisan, preventing the knowledge from spreading to other realms. https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/roma#kavya The Greeks of course talk of Talos, an automaton who protected the island of Crete. In Dharmic texts we can find almost every form of technology and concept imaginable—ranging from flying saucers, pressurized space-suits, time dilation, etc. In fact most modern technology today is basically a kiked version of what Aryans had already harnessed and mastered millennia ago, perfectly integrated into a far more spiritually advanced society. Technology was not allowed to run rampant. The type of AI / robots that the kikes are going force onto society is the epitome of adharma and evil, however—another way for the jews to keep people enslaved, to exterminate Whites and to keep humans trapped in their soul prison for Yahweh
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>>1005 >Time dilation in Dharmic texts Sounds interesting, where can i read more about it?
>>1007 One example I know off the top of my head is in the Bhagavata Purana, Canto 9, chapter 4— >“Taking his daughter Revati with him, Kakudmi went to Brahma’s world, the doors to which were open then. He wished to ask the lord about an excellent groom for his daughter. At that time, a performance by the gandharvas was going on and he did not get an opportunity. When it ended, he told the original being about his intention. Hearing this, the illustrious Brahma laughed and told him, “O king! Those you thought of have been swallowed by time a long time ago. We no longer hear about their sons, grandsons, great grandsons and gotras. Twenty-seven cycles of the four yugas have passed in the intervening period. Leave this place. O king! There “is the immensely strong Baladeva, a gem among men and born as a portion of the god of the gods. Bestow this gem of a daughter on him.” There’s another example in the 10th canto, chapter 13 involving Krishna and Brahma but its less readily quotable. Basically Brahma vanished for what seem to be a single Earth year but was for him a single truti, or 0.30 microseconds. So with that in mind Kakudmi stayed in Brahmaloka for about 3,456 seconds, or just under an hour, which corresponded to 27 x 4,320,000 Earth years or 116,640,000 years.
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The people of Nuristan (in Eastern Afghanistan) were practitioners of their native religion until the late 19th century, when they were forcibly converted to Islam. They worshiped gods such as Imra (from 'Yamaraja'). This isn't as interesting as the paper linked here >>46 but it's important to fill in the gaps regarding the spread and persistence of Aryan religion until quite recently, practiced by people with rather Aryan-esque phenotypes.
>>1137 Are they start to heavily race-mix with arabs, after islam conversion ?
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>>1139 I don't think so. Since they converted at the end of the 19th century, it's clear that they haven't been totally mixed out of existence given the fact that all of the photos I'm posting are modern. Afghanistan isn't an Arab country anyone, it's composed of Indo-European speakers for the most part, particularly Iranian ethnic groups. On top of that, the groups in Afghanistan are extremely clannish and tight-knit, I don't know how much they'd mix with others.
>>1141 >anyone *anyway
Realistically, what is his power-level in truth?
>>1398 Considering what another Anon revealed about him it varies from subject to subject, on women for example, he is shit.
>>1139 Yes, they are disappearing.
>>1545 It's strange how on that topic he drops the ball so hard. If one reads his Dharma Manifesto he literally does things like divide up regions into categories and outright declares that a huge swathe of non-White countries incapable of sustaining civilization long-term. He doesn't outright say "non-Whites" but the countries he points out (African ones, Haiti, etc) make it extremely clear what he's saying here. And he also quotes from the Talmud saying that the best goy is a dead goy. One would think he would be extremely redpilled on women
>>1139 >>1547 Just like Whites all over the globe. It's horrific really.
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>>1582 Whites aren't mixing with people all over the globe niggerpiller. Whites aren't breeding at all, most of the Whites you see with niggers are usually jewish or some form of mutt themselves. Local Whites are more likely to fuck their cousin than a non-White.
>>1909 >Venerable Paññobhāsa Mahathera, Based? Highly. I was just reading another essay on this blog in the last hour or two, so I was quite surprised to see you post this. It's very clear that basic Buddhist teachings simply just don't align with the Cultural Marxist worldview, which is built on victimhood, resentment, indulging desires and in emotions. It's very, very unfortunate that in the minds of many so-called 'Eastern religions' have been tainted with in the minds of Westerners with leftist politics and political correctness. It is similar in Sanatana Dharma. With Western Buddhism in particular though, it has been veritably colonized by jews to such an extent that we now see terms like "jewBu".
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One thing I like about Dharmic paths is how they focus so centrally on self-control over desire and the emotions. Far too much attention today is put on validating emotions and feelings. I don't think that 'repressing' is a real thing with negative effects. What the guy in the Buddhist article posted above says about guilt and regret is also very true as well. There's no point in crying and fussing over what has been done and cannot be changed. Same goes with future events too like dying. Most of what people fly into a rage over is a waste. I've seen people flip their shit over someone forgetting to turn on the dishwasher, or a dog throwing up on the carpet, etc. If we read suttas we see Arahats who experience physical pain, but feel zero anguish or aversion to it. They're that disciplined and control. Modern people are fags. Don't be a fag, be an Aryan sage
>>1912 >Local Whites are more likely to fuck their cousin than a non-White. You're retarded if you think local Whites would choose incest over miscengenation.
>>1931 I would marry a first cousin before I would ever racemix
>>1931 >You're retarded if you think local Whites would choose incest over miscengenation. You're retarded thinking that Southern America doesn't exist. You're even more retarded making shit about muh Huh Whites fucking niggers. You have a cuck mentality fuck off somewhere else.
>>1996 >Southern America I meant the Southern states specifically speaking.
>>1931 Marrying a cousin = very slightly higher chance of a birth defect Marrying a non-White = guaranteed drop your child's IQ and they won't look like you
>>1933 >>1996 >>2002 OK, yes incest is technically less harmful for the White race than race-mixing, but to the AVERAGE White person who probably was taught Hitler was evil and rednecks are scary inbred rapists or some shit, most Whites would rather fuck a nigger than their cousin.
>>2030 Probably true, sad enough
>>1928 >but feel zero anguish or aversion to it I mean that's a pretty low bar to set, it mostly comes down to mental control than anything. I'd also expect every anon here to already be at that point, seeing how we'll likely have to deal with a lot of physical pain and discomfort in the future.
>>2037 Building up that sort of discipline is extremely important. I could still probably get much better with pain tolerance myself, but once you realize that sperging out over the pain makes it twice as bad one really can get a grip on it. I’m not sure how one would become totally self-controlled in that regard though. I would need to research. Same with the cold. For the last year or two I’ve walked around outside during the winter even when its well below freezing in shorts. People think I’m insane but it’s really just a matter of being habituated to the cold and taking freezing showers Wim Hof-style. Now is definitely the time to learn these things
>>2030 Again still none of the shit you've said is true, you're retarded and a gigantic cuck. Unironically neck yourself.
>incest >racemixing Both of them are wrong. End of story.
>>2030 >but to the AVERAGE White person who probably was taught Hitler was evil and rednecks are scary inbred rapists Liberals and jews aren't the average White person moron. Not even most liberals are willing enough to be with niggers, because most of them are either single or dating someone of the same race or closely related. jews although have a fetish for blacks. You're conflating too different peoples.
>>990 This book does not only seems really legit, but it indirectly argues that Buddhism is inherently fascist, or fascism being nothing more but Buddhism without the teachings. I really see how Evola was such a proud Buddhist. >>2033 No it isn't true, he's retarded.
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>>3129 The interesting counter-view here is from how some Japanese nationalists viewed Buddhism, i.e. as a subversive universalist force. People like Hozumi Yatsuka seemed to believe that Japan was able to assimilate and sublimate the religion though and got rid of its worst aspects. Another interesting thing is that in Mishima's Runaway Horses there is a part where at some nationalist's training camp there is a diatribe given against Buddhism, saying how the Buddha reduced everything to nihilism and destroyed the manliness of men. I'm wondering though if this Mishima sneaking some of his Nietzschean views into a character in the book on the topic of Buddhism though. The whole tetralogy of Mishima has Buddhist influences which seem to be part of the main character's degeneration along with the rest of Japan too. I think true Buddhism is more like you say though - Japan was able to reconcile it with Shinto to great success. The war machine of the 1930s and 40s was influenced by Buddhism and Shinto alike. I know Evola says in his 'Metaphysics of War' that there might have been an influence of Zen in the dedication and fearlessness of the kamikaze pilots.
>>3133 Buddhism of itself was never against manliness and the thought it being non-caring for masculinity is an idea that came from the West. Theravada and the others sects can definitely be argued that it subverted and ruined Gautama Buddha's teaching ( Zen probably sticks more to the original teachings than the others), although I wouldn't say these ruined Japan and made it unmanly, but just the worst that is Western philosophy and values and how it made post-war Japan turn away from their manliness and dying with purpose. It could of also been some chink philosophies/teachings, because I think one Korean anon argued that China had its fair share of submissive teachings that ruined China and Korea.
>>3136 >although I wouldn't say these ruined Japan and made it unmanly, but just the worst that is Western philosophy and values and how it made post-war Japan turn away from their manliness and dying with purpose. This is very true. Like I touched on briefly, some Japanese thinkers were arguing that Buddhism had, by and large, been successfully sublimated in the Japanese kokutai / national polity. I think I would agree with this analysis as well, and it's actually essentially the analysis put forward in Kokutai no Hongi - an official work put out by the government on the core principles of Japan. There were many interpretations done by Japanese that successfully integrated Shinto and Buddhism to such an extent that many people would hardly know a difference between them in Japan. The period Japan from the beginning of the Meiji Era to 1945 was extremely masculine. Perhaps even the most masculine of the Axis Powers (and I say that with no disrespect to the Third Reich). The problem they were identifying themselves was Western ideologies that preached individualism and societal disharmony The sort of self-discipline and asceticism put forth in Buddhism is in my mind the pinnacle of masculine virtues, at least in its original forms. Mishima's analysis is seriously flawed, though exact usage of Buddhism put forth in his tetralogy works rather well, as it has reduced the character Honda to passivity, weakness and degeneracy compared to incarnations of the young men he came in contact with reached greatness. It might be a certain interpretation of some kinds of Buddhists, rather than the teachings themselves.
>>3144 >There were many interpretations done by Japanese that successfully integrated Shinto and Buddhism to such an extent that many people would hardly know a difference between them in Japan. No surprise from me that it was successful, considering that Shinto shares core values and principles that align with Buddha's teachings. We see something similar when the Greeks created a synthesis for their culture and religion with Buddha without any contradictions or conflicts. The only thing I can say that Buddhism is incompatible with would have to be Western philosophy and values. >The period Japan from the beginning of the Meiji Era to 1945 was extremely masculine. Perhaps even the most masculine of the Axis Powers (and I say that with no disrespect to the Third Reich) You are definitely correct to say that Japan was a very masculine and discipline country, which even surpassed NatSoc, I mean hell even Hitler thought that Japan had a much higher culture to his own, which is why he admired them so much. I believe that if Hitler had been much more radical and revolutionary to eliminate the weakness that are Abrahamic traditions and values within German culture and minds, then Germany could of been as disciplined or more-so than Japan and the soldiers and command needed to defeat the (((Bolsheviks))).
>>3150 >I believe that if Hitler had been much more radical and revolutionary to eliminate the weakness that are Abrahamic traditions and values within German culture and minds, then Germany could of been as disciplined or more-so than Japan and the soldiers and command needed to defeat the (((Bolsheviks))) It’s definitely quite unfortunate that Hitler only had the time between 1933 and 1939 to really reshape his people without the issue of the war floating above all of their heads. Even then the strides that Hitler made in reshaping his Volk were quite impressive. If only we could have seen an entire generation raised entirely under NS values. It would have meant a complete transformation and regeneration of Germany, if not Europe. Abrahamism would have been sidelined, and the new elite of the SS would have been like a caste of kshatriyas in the Reich. Hitler definitely saw the strengths of Japan and their extreme loyalty to their race and emperor and admired them. The longer National Socialism had permeated the minds of Germans, and the more Abrahamism had been destroyed, the more and more in spirit Germany would have resembled Imperial Japan. Hindsight is everything though, I guess. We know exactly what will need done and quickly in the future regarding Abrahamism and other false, anti-Nature religions. The same is true of filling the spiritual void with something suitable, whatever that may be.
I've noticed a lot of Indians on YouTube videos begging devas, buddhas and even God to give them money and materialistic success - are the religions there really that degenerated or is that just what the average shitskin cares about nowadays more than actual spiritual growth?
>>1139 There are some shitskins in Nuristan now but perhaps they'd been there for a while. It's the Kalash it seems that seem to be dying off.
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>>4970 I feel for the pagans of South Asia. The Kalash in particular have been targeted by the violence of radical Muslims and proselytizers for some time now. It is no wonder that they view the Muslim world as spiritually impure according to their religion. Mudshits ruin everything. A lot of this is recent too. There were literally hundreds and thousands of Hindus in Afghanistan in the 1970s, now it's a complete Islamic shithole.
>>4971 >the pagans of South Asia You're saying that there are White pagans in South Asia? Or you mean brown? Race is important too. >muzzlims Honestly I have no issues with them if they stick to their desert countries or whatever.
>>4967 It's just a prayer. Don't see the issue.
>>4972 Islam destroys cultures and turns them into cookie-cutter Arabized mudshitters. Regardless of the race it’s somewhat of a tragedy when a group gets assimilated into the Abrahamic hivemind. With groups like the Kalash being terrorized and persecuted it’s of course especially tragic since many of them quite literally look White, and to this day worship gods like Indra. >>4973 I guess one could criticize it as a form of what Evola would call “lunar spirituality”, i.e. spirituality that is materialistic, sensuous, a bit decadent perhaps—based on the metaphysically feminine. I don’t know if I can call it inherently “bad” though. Hinduism traditionally has four goals for humans–dharma, artha, kama and moksha. The middle two are wealth and pleasure (within the proper contexts). Though I wouldn’t praise this sort of stuff, not everyone is a yogi.
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I don't know if Daoism is Dharmic in nature, but I like what I'm reading. >Unlike traditional Western religions, which portrays nature as something evil or immortal which man has to overcome, Taoism encourages its followers to act in "harmony with the order of nature" and view life as a "series of transformations, procreation and re-creations." In Taoist thought the path to heaven is through nature and the terms "heaven” and "nature" are often used interchangeably.
>>5084 Spot-on. That is the best way to think about the Laws of Nature, dharma or whatever one wants to call it. One either works in harmony with this and among themselves and the world around them, or they work against it, and bring about their own ruin. Modern ideologies do not encourage this. They encourage working against Nature, and celebrate conflict, not harmony.
>>5084 >Unlike traditional Western religions Why is it that all these Asian cultures seem to be more "dharmic" than mainstream Western culture, when it was Aryans who supposedly coined the very term dharma?
>>5084 Do you have a good source or sources on the subject? I've been looking into Daoism/Taoism myself a bit more. While I am aware of some of it's teachings that can be beneficial to promote a healthier society (your given quote for example), some of the practices I've read bring up concerns (in particular the "sexual practices"). This may be due to the sources I've read so far, and much of it may be influenced by westerners and modern Chinese teachings. However, If there are sources similar to what we have in the Aryan religion thread, it would be appreciated to help compare and see if Daoism suffers similarly to other non-Abrahamic religions in how they are taught today.
>>5091 Asian cultures haven't been raped as hard by modernity for the last few hundred years like the West has. The West has been diverging from the other cultures since the so-called "Enlightenment" and scientific revolutions which paved the way for materialism, atheism and the like. Before then we were much closer spiritually speaking to these cultures, even when Christianized more or less. This is not to downplay the transition between pre-Abrahamism and Abrahamism, of course. The transition was gradual. The entire Aryan world was 'dharmic' prior to Abrahamism basically, and even then it persisted in some places longer than others. Lithuania remained pagan until like the 1500s if I am recalling correctly, and Persians remained Zoroastrian long after Europe had been Abrahamized in large parts. In other parts race-mixing destroyed the racial stock but they remained at least somewhat dharmic.
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>>5092 I'd start with the main source for Taoism, first of all. That anon might be able to recommend you more though.
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>>5092 Maybe the Zhuangzi, it talks about spontaneity in action, non-attachment and following the natural order of nature while showing what the Taoist sage looks like. It's also pretty entertaining, with a lot of short stories, allegories, and fables. >in particular the sexual practices I don't know much about Taoist sexual practices but as far as I know it's about avoiding ejaculation during sex so that you can preserve "the life-giving semen" which in turn mixes with breath and nourishes the body and the brain.
Somehow the Nilamat Purana speaks of the fact that the Kashmir Valley used to be completely underwater. In the Purana a demon named Jalodbhava (“arisen from water”) made residence at the lake and began devastating the surrounding areas from time-to-time. Vishnu is asked to help, and to do this he and the devas had the entire valley drained, defeating the demon, deprived of its natural habitat where he was invulnerable, making the valley into its present form. https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-nilamata-purana/d/doc81735.html >It is now generally agreed that the present-day topography of the Kashmir Valley originated from draining of a huge lake similar to those of the Kathmandu and Pokhara Val- leys. The lake was most likely drained through an outlet west of Baramula, giving rise to the present gorge https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-94-017-8029-2_11 >Although the sequences suggest changes in water depth may have occurred, lacustrine conditions were otherwise largely unchanged over the period represented by the section, up until the demise of the lake during the early part of the Late Pleistocene https://jm.copernicus.org/articles/28/25/2009/jm-28-25-2009.pdf (PDF) Radiocarbon dating has suggested that this took place rougly 31,000 years ago. It is things such as this, the existence of Rama’s Bridge—said to be man-made by some, and it certainly looks artificial—that make me question the timeline we are presented with by mainstream history. There are also things that appear occasionally such as the fact that Zoroaster was said by the Greeks to have lived 6,000 years before Socrates.
>>5084 >In pursuit of naturalism some Taoists in the old days let their hair grow as long as possible, refused to talk and expressed themselves by whistling. >Others took off their clothes and lay on the ground, in part to thumb their noses at Confucian manners and codes. Literally Diogenes.
>>5117 That's exactly what I was thinking. I sympathize with the whole living in accordance with Nature thing, but I feel like people who go as far as these Cynics such as Diogenes and the Taoists mentioned in that anon's post take it too far. I fail to see how it is 'against Nature' to cut one's hair for example. Even cats and dogs groom themselves, as do monkeys and all sorts of other creatures.
>>5118 Upon looking into the philosophy of Taoism further, I've found Taoism to be very passive and individualistic, while providing little that would help sustain and grow a community (much less a nation of your own people). While many of it's teachings can improve the health and lifestyle of a person, it also leaves itself open to more negative aspects that can ruin a person as well (some of which >>5117 mentioned). It promotes detachment from desires that would destroy a person over time, but also detachment from the troubles of this world to the point of ignoring matters that need to be addressed or stopped. It goes out of it's way to be against violence and aggressive behaviors (promoting nonaction or "action/effort without action"), as well as ignoring political troubles while providing no better alternative (other than trying to have everyone follow the teachings in order to obtain a peaceful existence). Some of the practices are also concerning (as others mentioned earlier). While it promotes keeping one healthy in order to keep the spirit pure, it also promotes things that could potentially be harmful to the body, such as mixtures containing harmful materials if ingested or applied, as well as degenerative sexual practices that supposedly help with acquiring more Qi or life force found in ourselves and the universe. Looking at it's history, Taoism could be seen as a counter-culture to Confucianism at the time (which as promoting a more structured, hierarchical (but still passive) society), and could be compared to the Hippie movement in many ways (which, given how similar the ideals are in retrospect, makes sense). The combination between the 2 ideologies would be a factor in how Communism was able to take hold of the country (having similar philosophies as the 2 ideologies that made it favorite-able to the common man in China). Ultimately, while it does teach a more natural look on life, it does little to promote a strong nation and healthy societies within it. Compare this to Japan's Shintoism, that had similar philosophies as Taoism, but didn't sacrifice the needs of the nation and people in this world in favor of trying to ready one's self for the next life (or immortality/heaven in Taoism's case), and promoted practices that kept the nation strong.
>>5162 >promoting nonaction No, this is not correct, Wuwei (無為) is usually translated as non-action,but it really means non-striving: the absence of all motivation in one's action. >Therefore the sage accomplishes things by doing Wuwei. Furthering a teaching that is without words. All things arise, and he does not leave them. He gives them life but without possessing them. He acts but without relying on his own ability. He succeeds but without dwelling on his success. And because he does not dwell on it, it does not leave him. But the rest is correct, I think. It's not a philosophy that would be helpful if you want to promote a healthy nation, that's why it was mostly practiced by hermits, poets and artists. But maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to read more Taoists texts, the canon is like a thousand volumes.
>>5170 So single manmade philosophy is perfect. Taoism was able to benefit China with its good parts because the bad parts were kept in check by the other competing philosophies, and vice versa.
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I wanted to clarify some things about Daoism, I have these things written down but I know I copied them from somewhere else. >what is Dao? It's the flow of the universe, the natural order in which the spontaneity of the universe can be perceived. Taoist sages saw the artificial social structures that Confucianists imposed on the world as attempts of man to try to control nature, so they developed a philosophy that advocates for man to return to nature. >There is a thing formed from confusion and born before heaven and earth. Silent, solitary, alone and unchanging. It revolves everywhere and is never in danger. It can be the mother of all under heaven. I do not know its name, but I style it “the Dao." >What is Wuwei Translated as action without action it means to go with the spontaneous flow of the universe as a whole. It means to allow man to grow as nature intended. If not, they will lose their inherent naturalness and suffer for it by giving into desires, attachments, and hedonistic drives. Modern man is raised to believe that he is separated from nature, but he is part of its rhythms and harmonies with each of us being a microcosm of the universe. (As above, so below, as the universe, so the soul) >>5171 >the bad parts were kept in check by the other competing philosophies, and vice versa That's true too, the main philosophies in ancient China (Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism) waxed and waned in importance with the different dynasties and rulers.
>>5178 >Silent, solitary, alone and unchanging. It revolves everywhere and is never in danger Extremely similar to how Melissus of Samos and Parmenides described 'What-Is' (i.e. Reality). I guess the major difference would be here how they seem to deny that there is any change at all and that the senses are deceiving us. They kind of lose me there. Seems like the Dao is a bit more realistic here.
>>5188 Thinking a bit more though I think these philosophers were talking more about existence itself. To what extent is the Dao separate from existence? Or is it a principle that informs all of existence and the change and multiplicity within it? I.e. is it possible to coherently speak of existence without reference to the Dao? I feel like there is little dualism here, since it is as said "the mother of all under heaven"
>>5189 The Dao is pretty much the same as The One in Neoplatonism, with the Dao being called "The Great Oneness" >An utterly simple, ineffable, unknowable subsistence which is the creative source of the Universe
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>>5211 The Dao is described as being something impersonal, right? I.e. it's not a 'person' in the sense that it is something that can have intentions, do actions, etc. That's the one thing I am not sure about. I don't know if the logic follows, but since we have conscious beings like humans on Earth, and since consciousness in a sense seems to be something 'higher' or 'above' matter (even if it is not a dualistic scheme we're talking about here), it would seem to me that it would be far more logical to conclude that 'the Dao' or 'the One' would in some sense be something that can know and act. It seems strange that ultimate Reality should be inert and mindless, and for conscious beings to arise out of it in some way. Now saying that is one thing but I can't pretend to know the nature of this if it is how I intuit here. The Laws of Nature themselves are a good pointer in the right direction.
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>>5226 Is the Brahman in "Hinduism" something personal? Not as far as I know, it's an ontological neccesity for the universe. >inert and mindless Simple does not mean inert, the Taiji (The Dao from which Yin and Yang originate) means "Absolute and Infinite Potential", so it can't be static, it's an ontological neccesity for movement. In the Daoist creation myth, at the beggining of the Universe, Yin and Yang moved and circulated constantly, generating the 8 trigrams, these divided into the 64 hexagrams and then into everything else in the Universe. I don't know how consciousness is created (if at all, personally I believe in pan-psychism), but if the Daoist theory of creation is correct, then consciousness comes from Yin and Yang, so these must be consciouss at least in some way. >How was the first man created? Through the transformation of the forces. When the essence of yin and yang and the five agents are united, man's corporeal form is established. This is what the Buddhist call production by transformation.
>>5162 Taoism and other chink inventions should not be the main drive of the White man. Chinks are dirty bug people. Remember your heritage! There is much sublime wisdom to be found in Indo Aryan Dharma and Western philosophers like Plato, not to mention the rare few unkiked parts of Christian theology.
>>5227 >Is the Brahman in "Hinduism" something personal? Not as far as I know, it's an ontological neccesity for the universe. Brahman is both personal and necessary. Brahman is the Absolute, i.e. God. Unfortunately Advaitins have been shilling their brand of nondualism hard in the West to such an extent that many people think that it is representative of Hinduism in general. Ramanuja's Vishishtadvaita, in my opinion, is much better supported in the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita. The Shvetashvatara Upanishad, for example, states that the one God rules over both the perishable and the self (atman) (1.10). Later in this same work it is said on "the Supreme Lord of the gods" is the one on which the worlds rest (4.13). This God is the creator of all, the knower of all, the architect of time, the lord of the individual souls (6.16) The Mandukya Upanishad describes first the syllable "Aum" as the whole world (1), saying that "everything here is Brahman; this self is Brahman" (2) and "This is the lord of all. This is the all-knowing. This is the inner controller. This is the source of all, for this is the origin and the end of beings" (6). Notice the overlaps with the Shvetashvatara Upanishad too. Over Upanishads describe Brahman as the origin of everything from the imperishable Brahman (Mundaka 1.1.7). All things issue forth from Brahman like sparks from a great fire and back into them they will return (2.1.1). Later in the Mundaka Upanishad (3.1.1-3) we see the famous story of the two birds. Two birds are sitting on the same tree. One is deluded by materiality, grieving, while the other watches on in silence. The silent bird is called "the Lord". When the grieving bird sees that the Lord is there, his grief disappears.' Katha Upanishad says "He who is awake in those that sleep, the Person who fashions desire after desire - That indeed is the Pure. That is Brahman. That indeed is called the Immortal. One it all the worlds do rest; And no one soever goes beyond it" (5.8). Katha also describes Brahman as "The Inner Self of all things" and the "One Controller" (5.12). Verse 2.23 is also interesting in that it says that Brahman cannot be grasped by teachings of intelligence, but instead "He is to be obtained only by the one whom he chooses; To such a one that Self reveals his own person." This is interesting because it seems to indicate an element of divine grace. And finally, Katha 3.9 says that the highest step of Vishnu is the end of the road, the final goal. For a last reference, the Taittiriya Upanishad 2.1.1 is famous for its description of Brahman as real / truth (uses the same word in Sanskrit), knowledge and infinity (ananta). Some scholars have suggested emending ananta here to ananda though, bliss, to make it line up with the famous sat-chit-ananda (truth, consciousness, bliss) of Brahman. The word used here for 'knowledge' is Jñāna which can be diversely translated as 'knowledge', 'consciousness', etc. We also see Arjuna say in the Bhagavad Gita to Krishna that "You are the consummate Brahman, matchless abode and purifier, the eternal sacred person, god unborn and all-pervading" (10.12). Slightly before that Krishna is saying that he is the source of all things from which everything proceeds as well, which matches up with descriptions of Brahman in the Upanishads (10.8). >personally I believe in pan-psychism Pretty based, however cosmopsychism is the final redpill when it comes to panpsychism. I'd elaborate but I've been working on this post way too long now
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>>5233 Thanks for all this info anon, I'll be sure to read the Upanishads soon. >cosmopsychism This sounds interesting, the universe being imbued with a ubiquitous field of consciousness instead of classic pan-psychism where consciousness is an inherently property of matter and energy.
>>5236 Yeah until I learned about this type of sort of cosmopsychism I adhered to panpsychism for a while. There's a few reasons why I decided that the former was more plausible than the latter - mainly, I started to think that the whole of the universe was more basic than the parts, i.e. it is more akin to an organism than it is to an aggregate like a heap of sand. Part of my reasoning is kind of intuitive, in that it just feels right (as faggy as that can sound), and because the whole of things, even if billions of light-years as far as we know, are informed and subject to the exact same Laws of Nature. So while panpsychism is a reductionistic view of reality, cosmopsychism is more holistic. Consciousness has a general character which everything exists within and partakes in, but also a specific character that is unique to the individual. >Thanks for all this info anon, I'll be sure to read the Upanishads soon. No problem. They're definitely worth it.
No one gave a shit about what >>5230 had to say and just kept talking about Taoism LMAO
>>5241 I thought about responding then I decided not too. Personally I'm secure enough in my National Socialism to look into whatever interests me, regardless of the source.
>>5241 Just because it's being discussed, doesn't mean that everyone here is going to suddenly become Taoists. It is a topic that is looked into in order to have a better understanding of what it is and how it works. As other anons mentioned, this is not a religion or philosophy that is good for the health and improvement of a nation and it's people as a whole. It is a very individualistic religion that is better suited for those that believe they have no other place in their community or their homeland. That being said, discussions such as these help us understand the viewpoints of those that do follow in it's teachings, and be better prepared should it become a threat to our people. Ignorance will only leave oneself vulnerable to an invading influence when it comes to spiritual matters. The anon in >>5230 is not wrong about not using Taoism or Chink philosophies as a "main drive of the White man", seeing as how it's teachings were a factor in how China ended up, but the post comes off as ignorant in how discussions and arguments work. He assumes that since anons are discussing and looking into it, they must be considering it as something to follow. The post he's replying to even says that Taoism is not an ideal religion to use to help our people. The post comes off as being overzealous (and a bit weird as to why one would consider Christian theology when said "unkiked parts" were more than likely taken from Indo-European religions), Given the choice, anons would more than likely consider either the Indo-European religions of old or the Dharmic teachings of the Bhagavad Gita over Taoism.
>>5236 ahh, a truly aesthetic image. it's nice to see things like this in a society filled with ugliness.
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How close to enlightenment is /fascist/?
>>5371 /fascist/ is far from enlightenment.
>>5371 /fascist/ is closer to enlightenment that the average population, at the very least, especially those who frequent these threads.
>debunks evolution >debunks history as shilled by academia >debunks mechanistic science >affirms the historical accuracy of the Vedic scriptures and much of European pagan beliefs >suggests that the Vedas and other scriptures are often speaking of higher dimensional realities inacessible to the senses of modern people Richard L. Thompson is worth looking into, I think, for anyone who wants to get a more authentic worldview true to that of ancient pagans. He’s coming from a Vedic perspective, but often draws comparisons with comparable things in European traditions and folklore to strengthen his case. Both his lectures and books are very good, I would recommend people check out some of the following: <Parallels: Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena <Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race <The Cosmology of the Bhagavata Purana: Mysteries of the Sacred Universe <Vedic Cosmography and Astronomy Youtube lectures (best listened to at x1.5 speed): <Scientism is Atheism https://youtu.be/_09HvrduG08 <The Archeology Scam https://youtu.be/TLl6QO-vqUI <UFOs and the Vedic Worldview https://youtu.be/NZjFq1x6gcI A channel of a ton more: https://youtube.com/c/SadaputaChannel
Amazon Introduces Tiny ‘ZenBooths’ for Stressed-Out Warehouse Workers >The AmaZen meditation booth is a small room where employees can watch company videos about mindfulness while a small fan moves the air around. >The "ZenBooth'' or "Mindful Practice Room," as it's called, is part of the WorkingWell program Amazon announced on May 17. According to an Amazon press release, WorkingWell is a mix of "physical and mental activities, wellness exercises, and healthy eating support” meant to “help them recharge and reenergize." One of the WorkingWell initiatives is AmaZen, which “guides employees through mindfulness practices in individual interactive kiosks at buildings,” according to a press release. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5nmw/amazon-introduces-tiny-zenbooths-for-stressed-out-warehouse-workers It’s clear that Buddhist elements in the West have been appropriated by the jews to further the enslavement of the goyim at this point. Buddhism has been stripped to a form of materialistic, nihilistic secular humanism. Now you can become a bhikkhu in your AmaZen™ cuckbox
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>>5706 You will watch the videos in the portable toilet and be happy goyim.
>>5706 >It’s clear that Buddhist elements in the West have been appropriated by the jews to further the enslavement of the goyim at this point. Buddhism has been stripped to a form of materialistic, nihilistic secular humanism. Now you can become a bhikkhu in your AmaZen™ cuckbox I've studied Buddhism, and this is accurate. they borrow elements from it to use as a sedative, without any of the philosophy, utilitarian ethics, karma, etc that defy their agenda. no critical, independent thought for the cattle.
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>>5717 I've noticed that they've done the exact same thing with Stoicism. See pic related, a few of the authors have suspicious names too. Needless to say, the original and real Stoics attempted to conform individual and political life to the orderly, logos-driven cosmos. God / Zeus was identified with this order, giving us a pantheistic and cyclical model of the cosmos. I can hardly say what this modern day pseudo-Stoicism even is. It's just another control mechanism founded on the idea that some things are under our control, and other things are not, not consenting to impressions, etc (therefore accept your slave job, goy!). Buddhist modernism is particularly weird because it seems to have become some sort of New Age-tinged psychotherapy or self-help. jews are all over it. There's no awakening, just control.
>>5724 there's been a rise of 'pop philosophy' in general, which strips out all the substance of the ideas, leaving an empty shell designed to inveigle and sedate the reader. it's definitely a control mechanism. I posted before on Stoicism and Epicureanism, and how there's little understanding of these philosophies aside from a pale reflection. like many other things from the ancient world, they were submerged by the Abrahamic tide. Stoicism is about leading a virtuous life, even if that requires hardship and sacrifice. Epicureanism is often described as seeking "pleasure", but it's not hedonism at all -- it's about peace of mind and living contentedly. as always, it's the nature of evil to degrade, corrupt, and create mockeries of all that it touches.
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>>5764 This is basically the same thing that with see with 'New Age' stuff in general. These seem to be notorious for pulling ideas from Hinduism, Buddhism and similar traditions and then twisting them until they are amenable with individualism, consumerism and various sorts of hippie ideas. This is the main reason, really, why reincarnation, karma, meditation and other ideas are even circulating in the West more in the first place, unfortunately. ISKCON might be another reason, as well. Though their leader was absolutely /pol/-tier, the group itself is pozzed as far as I'm concerned. It's actually quite frustrating how there is nothing really good out there at the moment that doesn't fall into New Age pozz, LARPing or Abrahamism in the West. If I was a complete gigachad I'd probably do pic related Epicureanism is a good example. It is quite surprising how the meaning of that philosophy in general has been so twisted. Though it is described as a type of 'hedonism', like you say, it's actually very much about not indulging in those desires which are unnecessary and harmful, and impediments to achieving tranquility. Everything must be assimilated to modernity and bastardized.
>>5783 >ISKCON might be another reason, as well. Though their leader was absolutely /pol/-tier I'm confused. Ancient Hinduism (Vedicism) has inscribed that when Indra (I think?) comes back, she'll exterminate all the dark skinned indians. So why is the leader of such beliefs (ISCKON) have to be a Dravidian? On that note, how come indians worship a religion that would put them as low as dogs? Shouldn't a religion uplift its own race?
>>5764 >Epicureanism Can you give me an explanation of what this philosophy is all about?
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Based Raj.
>>5788 >she'll exterminate He. Indra is a masculine God. >So why is the leader of such beliefs (ISCKON) have to be a Dravidian? Cultural and racial collapse. >On that note, how come indians worship a religion that would put them as low as dogs? Modern Indians have a twisted view of their own writings, interpreting Aryan as purely a spiritual concept. I.E, just meaning "noble" or something.
>>5788 >Ancient Hinduism (Vedicism) has inscribed that when Indra (I think?) comes back, she'll exterminate all the dark skinned indians I don’t think you are thinking of Indra. You are probably thinking of Vishnu’s coming tenth avatar, who is Kalki, and who will exterminate evil of all kinds and false kings, beginning a new time-cycle. Indra is the king of the devas (gods), wielder of the thunderbolt. One of his many names for Indra is ‘Purandara’—The Destroyer of Cities. He destroyed legions of dark-skinned Dasyus for the Aryans long ago. Even today Indra remains the king of the gods in the heavenly realm of this universe. >So why is the leader of such beliefs (ISCKON) have to be a Dravidian? The interesting thing about Prabhupada is that his teacher specifically ordered him to go and bring his religion to the West immediately prior to his death, which he did. And if it had to be a Dravidian doung this, there was no better person than a theocratic Hitler-loving, anti-feminist swami who believed that Aryans were White and that blacks were non-Aryans who needed to be controlled. Now the problem is that his followers generally aren’t like that today. I like some Hare Krishnas like Richard L. Thompson, but in general I wouldn’t say to join them or anything. >On that note, how come indians worship a religion that would put them as low as dogs? Shouldn't a religion uplift its own race? Strictly speaking if they were honest to themselves their karma would dictate that they are the servants of the true biological and spiritual Aryan race, but like the other anon again said they have coped hard in this regard but redefining terms and the like. >Shouldn't a religion uplift its own race? Not necessarily. If there are true aspects to the pagan worldview as present in Hinduism, it would imply a universal hierarchy of beings, and Aryan humans would be above non-Aryan humans. That doesn’t mean we’d treat them like literal cattle, but they would exist to serve Aryans and to perform servant, labor and other roles for us of various kinds. They would just have to accept the truth of it, and that this is their place in life. They can still their ancestors, spirits and other deities though, and maybe they will derive some benefits from it. >>5791 Kek, I never knew he actually said some based things despite being a degenerate >>5789 Basically it was a type of ancient atomism. It is often called a form of hedonism as well. But Epicurus’ hedonism was aimed at achieving ataraxia, or tranquility. He also divided pleasures up into several kinds, including natural and necessary desires (needing to eat, needing shelter, etc.), natural and unneccessary and vain desires (desire for wealth, luxury, fame, etc). The latter have no natural limit. There’s no natural limit to the amount of wealth that someone may want. It’s endless, same with fame and the like, so Epicurus rejects it as not conducive to this state of ataraxia he says life is aimed towards. The natural and necessary are to be focused on. We can see how it’s very different from hedonism as popularly conceived. He also had some beliefs about how gods lived blissful, peaceful lives and did not do much, and that there was nothing after death. You just dispersed
>>5789 >>5793 to add on, Epicureanism sees excessive pleasure-seeking/hedonism/coomerism as ultimately harmful, like drinking heavily and being hungover the next day. the goal is to achieve peace of mind (ataraxia) and live without stress and craving. it encourages the virtuous life, insofar as virtuous living is conducive to ataraxia, while evil and excess lead away from it. this differs from Stoicism, which emphasizes virtue above all else. come to think of it, there are some interesting parallels with Buddhism.
>>5793 >He also had some beliefs about how gods lived blissful, peaceful lives and did not do much, and that there was nothing after death >there was nothing after death This idea that nothing happens after death is pozzed, but I agree with some other things.
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>>5814 Yeah I think being so sure about there being absolutely nothing is slightly naive. The idea that just because you do not remember anything from before you were born does not mean that you didn't exist. It's just like how you can't remember things from when you're asleep, or even when you are a smile child, even though you objectively exist then. Even from ideas that are not too far from physicalism like panpsychism (which is really just physicalism + physical things have mental properties), it's likely that after some period of shuffling these would be incorporated into new organisms. And even that is weird, because it is not clear that our conscious, subjective experience is any sort of composite in the first place. Either way anyone confident of what happens after death is deluded, especially if they have not considered anything like pics related. Epicurus is fairly solid though. Probably not absolute truth but he's got some right intuitions about some things, especially moderation and distinctions in pleasures.
Everyone should check out this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl4l2tOcEw3oNmjcy6zDPjw Her recitation of the Bhagavad Gita is top-tier as well. Vid related is from the 11th chapter where Krishna reveals his true form to Arjuna
Is Platonic philosophy dharmic? There seem to be a lot of very general parallels to Christianity and other monotheistic philosophies in Plato's work. Unlike Christianity, Platonism and Neoplatonism originated entirely in the preexisting traditions of the west, with no clear connection to the Jews. I'm surprised these teachings aren't discussed more given their intellectual sophistication and direct connection to Western pagan thought.
>>6483 Yes, Platonic philosophy absolutely has a place in pagan thought. It is something that needs to be studied more in order to give paganism a good intellectual foundation in the West again. We must remember that outward ritualism and practices are only a single aspect of spirituality, needless to say. In fact, this is one big criticism of Christianity against the Judaism it was separating itself from at the time, that Judaism had become overly legalistic and spiritually dead. This often seems to be a criticism made towards certain ritualists in Hindu scriptures as well, as the Upanishads are full of derision towards those who think that the ultimate goal is just earning heaven / svarga through sacrifices. Instead there has to be both an intellectual backdrop and an internalization of aspects of the outward displays of spirituality. That doesn't mean the outward dimensions are unimportant though, that is a major mistake. Recently in the main pagan thread there was some interesting discussion on the need for good hermeneutics towards pagan texts. It's not all metaphor, and it's not all literal. Both are mistakes. Neoplatonism in particular seems as if it would be extremely fruitful for paganism if properly understood. Unfortunately from the little digging I have done it is extremely dense. The idea that all of reality is emanated from the single principle of the One / the Good is one that ought to be explored more, as this seems to be getting near to the Brahman of the East. The concept of the immortal soul in Neoplatonism too is highly interesting, and how this ties into reincarnation and how the soul may return again to the One. Tying in ideas such as how Plato proposes a system of castes in the Republic again shows how many parallels there are between Dharma and pre-Abrahamic philosophy.
An Early Greco-Bhuddist statue of Bhudda. Note the Caucasianoid eyes and brow. The second is a Greco-Hindu bracelet of Brahma/Indra.
>>6494 Plato was definitely inspired by Zoroastranism, and the concept of Ahuramazda and Asha. He and Herodotus wrote a lot on Persian theology and culture.
>>6509 It's so bizarre from a modern standpoint to see depictions of Indra and Brahmā in Afghanistan of all places. The more I look into it the more it seems like Indra in particular was particularly widespread. We have mentions of Indra in Northern Syria (Mitanni) in Vedic times, and even in the Rigveda are mentioned Afghan tribes that still exist today such as the Pashtuns. It's a shame that Muslims have destroyed and obscured all of these interesting facets of their culture. >>6510 I had never really thought of this, but I just came across a big paper on this topic. I will have to look over it very soon. Here's the link: http://scholar.sun.ac.za/handle/10019.1/52062
Kashmiri Shaivism is interesting. I sort of already believed this, so it's always cool to see that it has already been said.
>>6527 >Indra and Brahmā in Afghanistan of all places It's not so weird when you think that's the exact migration route Indo-Aryans took to get into India. Indra and other Hindu Gods were worshipped all around the Hindu Kush and Bactria. Scythians- I'm sure spread their common Indo-Iranic worship even to Ukraine and Kazakhstan. >It's a shame that Muslims have destroyed and obscured all of these interesting facets of their culture. Totally. What's even more tragic is European destruction by hands of the Christians. Welcome to the Kali Yuga
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>>6667 >What's even more tragic is European destruction by hands of the Christians. No doubt. In many ways we have gotten the opposite of what has happened in the East. They got mutted up and kept their ancestral religions in some places like India, Nepal and the like, but in Europe we have remained very pure until recently while having lost our ancestral traditions.
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Why is Yahweh a jealous god? What is he afraid of losing? Shouldn't he be perfect (i.e. complete) in himself? Yahweh is fearful of losing followers, it is possible that they could slip from his fingers, depriving him of his steady supply of foreskins. Compare God in the Bhagavad Gita. He is literally everything. He cannot lose anything. He has no jealousy and infinite patient. Everything will return to him, it's inevitable.


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