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Aryan Religion Thread IV Blackshirt 03/14/2021 (Sun) 18:57:15 ID:9dc13e No. 6
This thread is for White pagan religions, or more broadly, non-Abrahamic pro-White religious and philosophical discussion
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Here's the Rig-Veda
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>>30 I would love to see some of this Vedic / Puranic art reproduced one day by Whites. The Rig-Veda is very explicit in describing Indra as 'golden'. His body is golden, his hair is golden, his beard is golden, his soma is golden, his visor is golden, his thunderbolt is golden, his 'car' (vimana?) is golden, etc. It said that "In Indra are set fast all forms of golden hue". Like Ukko in Finnish mythology, the bow of Indra is the rainbow as well. It clear that the real Indra would be an immensely radiant golden humanoid, much more like Thor than how he is depicted in "Hindu" art today. Even the storm gods who are companions of Indra, the Maruts, are described as beings who "shine self-luminous with ornaments and swords, with breastplates, armlets, and with wreaths" (again quoting from the Rig-Veda you attached). So much untapped potential.
>>34 They also describe The Lord Buddha as being golden specifically with his hair
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>>41 This would not be surprising in the slightest. I believe another one of the traditional features ascribed to him are blue eyes as well. When we take into account the fact that the Shakya are very likely descended from Scythians, this only becomes even more plausible. I believe Herodotus described the Scythians as having blue eyes and red/blond hair, and this has been echoed in many other ancient sources: https://pastebin.com/YQ7iYfKW
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Reposting the PDF on Kalash religion.
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>>69 I've criticized StJ for his over-reliance on academia before, but I've gotta admit his content's not bad. Since you posted this I'm now about 40 minutes in. What is most interesting for me personally is seeing how many places throughout Germanic lands are still with names that are taken from the gods. I saw another good video from him a few days on sacred cows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS4D95ejpl0 Also spotted a hylic in the comment section
Does anyone have info about the Roman/Hellenic gods also being described as golden or even blue-eyed?
>>114 No, but orphic hymns state poseidon with dark hair.
>>116 I don't think Poseidon was ever a God that orginates from Indo-European cultures, but from Mesopotamia.
>>114 Apollo's hair is described as Golden as the rest of the things that associates with him and the other gods. >To Apollon >Come, O blessed Paian, O slayer of Tityos, O Phoibos, O Lykoreus, giver of riches, illustrious dweller of Memphis, O god to whom we cry “Ië,” O Titan and Pythian god, 3 yours are the golden lyre, the seeds, and the plows. Grynean, Sminthian, slayer of Python, Delphic diviner, wild, light-bringing, lovable god you are, O glorious youth. You shoot your arrows from afar, 6 you lead the Muses into dance, O holy one, you are Bacchos, Didymeus, Loxias, too, lord of Delos, you are the eye that sees all, you bring light to mortals, your hair is golden, 9 your oracular utterance is clear. Hear me with kindly heart as I pray for people. You gaze upon all the ethereal vastness, upon the rich earth you look 12 through the twilight. In the quiet darkness of a night lit with stars you see earth’s roots below, you hold the bounds of the whole world; the beginning and the end to come are yours.
>>114 Hera: >Even as when the lord of fair-haired Hera lighteneth http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D10%3Acard%3D1 >All-powerful Hera drove these daughters in fear from the lovely halls... while still virgins, they entered the sanctuary of the purple-belted goddess, and said that their father far surpassed in wealth the golden-haired consort of holy, widely powerful Zeus.” http://lyk-kalavr.ach.sch.gr/docs/germanschool/bak_epinikoi_xi.pdf Demeter: >But golden-haired Demeter sat down and stayed there [in the temple], shunning the company of all the blessed ones [the gods]. https://chs.harvard.edu/primary-source/homeric-hymn-to-demeter-sb/ >when fair-haired Demeter amid the driving blasts of wind separates the grain from the chaff, http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D5 Athena: >Theano took the robe and laid it upon the knees of fair-haired Athene http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D6%3Acard%3D297 Remember too that Athena is often referred to as “Grey-Eyed Athena” or “Bright-Eyed Athena” in English. But what is the Greek word? It’s γλαυκῶπις. This word is derived from an adjective γλαυκός, which can mean any of the following: >gleaming, bright >blue-green, blue-grey >(of an eye color) light blue or gray https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/γλαυκῶπις https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/γλαυκός#Ancient_Greek Athena was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed goddess. Apollo: >So the fair speech of Cyprus echoeth around the name of Kinyras, him whom Apollo of the golden hair loved fervently https://archive.org/stream/extantodespinda00myergoog/extantodespinda00myergoog_djvu.txt Apollo is often referred to as “Phoebus Apollo” as well, and Phoebus means “pure, bright, radiant”. Hercules >First he cleared the grove of Zeus of a lion, and put its skin upon his back, hiding his yellow hair in its fearful tawny gaping jaws. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0102%3Acard%3D359 Rhadamanthus (son of Zeus) >they carried fair-haired Rhadamanthus to visit Tityus, the son of Gaea http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0136%3Abook%3D7
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>>121 Screenshotted. Also reposting the one anon's Zoroastrianism image.
>>130 This should be less blurry
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What do you guys think of the annunakis?
>>136 What exactly makes them so special that has caused people to latch onto them? Is it some form of ancient alien theory? If so, it's not entirely unbelievable. They might not be aliens in the extraterrestrial sense (or they very well could be), but I do think there is something to the fact that every culture on Earth depicts such similar things and the frequent occurrence of interaction of humans with higher beings whether they came from the 'sky' or lived alongside with us on Earth. Whether they are Devas, Aesir, Anunnaki, etc there is a common core that has to be acknowledged. In fact, it is this fact present in so-called mythology and folklore along with modern sightings of certain unexplained phenomena like UFOs that are one of the best forms of evidence that ancient traditions are referring to something that is not 'metaphorical' or 'archetypal' but 'absolutely real
>>117 >Poseidon was ever a God that orginates from Indo-European cultures, but from Mesopotamia. Poseidon is definitely IE, but the Greek theogany is definitely not. The basic IE creation story would have Zeus be the father of everything. Hesiod adapted the Hurrian-Hittite creation story, with An being Uranus, Kumarabi being Cronus, and Teshub being Zeus. You can see this as both have the son of the Primordial Sky God castrating his father. Greek polytheism is unfortunately very much tainted in near-easten non-Aryan mythology.
>>139 I was wondering if there were any interesting evidence that they may have a connection to the Indo-Europeans. I always wondered if they were just foreigners who gave culture and life to the East or are White gods.
>>140 >The basic IE creation story would have Zeus be the father of everything. Struggle between different races of deities for supremacy until one race reigns supreme is common to many IE beliefs. Think of Aesir versus Vanir, Devas versus Asuras, Titans versus Olympians, etc. Neither Indra, nor Odin, nor Zeus are supreme in the creator sense, yet exercise government over the material world. Sanatana Dharma would supplement this with the fact that all of the gods ultimately emanated from Brahman / the Supreme Person, drawing on some of the oldest texts in any IE language. This would make sense to me given the Odin, Zeus and Indra are all beings with fathers in every culture, not ultimate and self-existent. I guess some Hellenic versions of this that appeared in later philosophy would be Neoplatonism and the like where everything is ultimately an emanation of the One. This is not to downplay them in the case that this is true—why would they not be respected and worshiped, for they are immensely more powerful, long-lived, knowledgable than any human and have done much for our race.
>>143 Literally this.
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>>143 Who were you meaning to reply to, anon?
>>178 That picture is the encapsulation of the feeling of transcending Abrahamism
>>136 No one knows who they are and what they represent to be honest. All we know is that they referred the Mesopotamians as a "black-headed" people. This could refer to the fact that their hair color was different from the inhabitants or maybe some cultural/racial significance between them and the commoners. The gods of the Sumer, language and culture are said to be very similar to the Indo-Europeans, so it could be possible that they were White, although I don't want to we wuz kangz, because that brings no purpose to anything other than egotism.
>>268 I have read that Sumerian is a language that we can demonstrate no other relationships with, at least when it comes to modern languages or languages attested in the past. I can't comment regarding culture because I don't really know much at all about Sumerian culture, but at least with the gods I can say that this isn't too unexpected, especially if we adopt a hypothesis that whatever they built their religions around was not entirely fictional. Unless you are referring to something in specific regarding their gods that I am not aware of.
>>274 The culture of the Sumerians is said to be inspired by a Indo-European group known as "Samarra", which is said to contain pottery very similar to the Corded Ware and Indo-European cultures. The name of itself also seems to be Indo-European alone. Concerning their gods, they are said to be blue-eyed and having some similarities with the Greek, Roman, Hindu, and Celtic goddesses of war, hunt, fertility, and wisdom. Their mythologies are also not the same as Semites who do not share such as the goddess Inanna similarities with Diana and Kali. Many of the Semetic gods come from the Sumerian, but I haven't heard any coming from the Semites themselves.
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>>284 Not gonna lie that's a pretty nice bowl.
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>>284 >>283 Interesting, but how do we know that the Samarra were an Indo-European group? I only ask this because their appear to have been present in the area prior to the Indo-European migrations. The swastika alone is not proof, of course, because this symbol is relatively common in cultures all over the world due to its origins in our sky. You're right about the blue eyes though. There is something going on there. This article covers aspects of the problem: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia2/historia_humanidad103.htm Of course though, even if the Samarra were not Indo-European, they may have been very close to White if not White. We of course know that even non-Indo-Europeans can be White, just look at the Basques. Knowing what we know from the past, it is extremely likely that White-skinned blue-eyed people were far, far more common in the past.
Simply an academic study of Rodnovery I've posted before and a copy of The Lightning and the Sun.
does anyone know good videos on celtic paganism all I keep getting is stupid britsh vids and all the "sorces" they have are just roman properganda
>>454 What do you mean by Roman propaganda?
>>494 I mean all the sources they have are Roman bullshit saying the celts were human sacrificers and fags lol
>>498 >>454 I have an aversion to not trusting people like Marcus Aurelius and Ceasar on what they said about NORF FC's natives at the time to be honest.
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>>498 It's entirely possible that they practiced human sacrifice of some kind. Though they are both Roman sources, there are a few mentions to the wicker man and various sorts of human sacrifices practiced by the Celts over time. Regarding the wicker man it is said that they filled it up mainly with thieves and robbers We have other reports from other groups out near the Volga how they sacrificed a young slave girl for a chief's funeral. One could just dismiss the report because it is from a Muslim, but even he reports that the girl volunteered to die. In fact, compared to the behavior we see in non-European societies, most depictions of human sacrifice by pagans seems to be rather tame.
>>500 I know both of those and they seem to be true but the shit they were saying and talking about were 10x more autistic I just want a good vid not made by britbogs and fags pls and thank you >>499 thanks for the tip anon
The Havamal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvt5jJnMruc Asha Logos' new video, not sure if it's been posted already.
An introduction to Neoplatonism. I haven’t read this yet but it seems to be an interesting book. We have first actual writings of Plotinus that are annotated, and then there follows commentary by the author which explains the text in order to make it clearer since it is quite in-depth stuff for modern people. http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=D6F42109812CED489A9D0BB32A20A1B8
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>>873 Full playlist Subverted History: Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 1 - Setting the Stage https://www.bitchute.com/video/FBcNhNVybPS8/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-3:1 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 2 - The Scythians and Their Kin https://www.bitchute.com/video/QQIzzSfr3Yvm/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-2:e Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 3 - Hellenic Greece, Troy, and the real 'Game of Thrones' https://www.bitchute.com/video/gHzDC0QvT3iR/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-4:e Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 4 - The Germanic Peoples: A Root and its Branches https://www.bitchute.com/video/QIzCwJxMQ2Rh/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-5:3 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 4.2 - The Germanic Peoples: The Goths, Justice and Order https://www.bitchute.com/video/gsR5RdmuZUtq/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-6:0 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 4.3 - The Germanic Peoples: The End of the Goths https://www.bitchute.com/video/9NDTj4oHPHKe/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-7:8 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 5.1 - The Oera Linda Book https://www.bitchute.com/video/3afMkHPJwAiX/ https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-8:7 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 5.2 - The Oera Linda Book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XujB_NhKTy4 https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history-part-9:8 Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 5.3 - The Oera Linda Book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvt5jJnMruc https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-subverted-history,-part:1
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>>900 Wow, he looks like it goes really deep. Can anyone vouch that this is worth watching?
>>901 >Can anyone vouch that this is worth watching? I think two of us >>873 >>900 just did :^) Gettting off topic, but I have always enjoyed Asha's work. Very well done and very carefully written to avoid jewtube censorship. Has been at it for couple years now. Couple of his older vids The War on the Masculine and Feminine https://www.bitchute.com/video/uXt7t9teAaqr/ Waking to the Lie of Globalism https://www.bitchute.com/video/c0DtgkR12XVr/ The Subverted history series is less opinion and more history. In the case of the Scythian's, it is well sourced from contemporary writers like Herodotus, Tacitus, Hippocrates, Pliny the Elder, among many others. Without a doubt is worth a watch
>>901 If your attention-span is so bad that you need an answer before watching it, yes. It's about the best amateur documentary series I have seen online.
>>907 I just watched 'The War on the Masculine and Feminine' that you linked and really enjoyed it. He was spot on about both MGTOW and feminism being both chaos ideologies designed to turn everything upside down, an inversion of natural relationships and complementary roles. If all of his work is on par with this I'm a bit upset that I never started to watch him earlier. I'll definitely have to binge some stuff here very soon now.
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This site is a reference guide to Greek mythology that some anons might find interesting: https://www.theoi.com/
The Assyrian Gods Baal Shamen and Malakbaal mirror that of the Slavic Svarog and Dahzbog a lot.
>>1226 What do you see as the biggest similarities? It’s certainly possible that they could be related in some way, or at least of the same class of beings.
Does anyone have proof or any decisive evidence that the Romans said that the North was the creation of Roman or all Indo-European culture?
>>1309 I've never heard anything like this really. What is exactly the claim, that the Romans came from the North?
>>1319 Someone claimed on the last board that the Greco-Romans had something about how all cultures of Europe originated far North of Europe. I also heard some claim that the meaning of German means brother, which is to imply that the Romans also saw the Germans as kin.
>>1322 >I also heard some claim that the meaning of German means brother, which is to imply that the Romans also saw the Germans as kin. Well this was never said on the other board, but on Twitter and maybe 8chan.
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>>1322 >>1323 The thing about brothers is true. The Latin noun Germānus means 'a Germanic person; member of a Germanic tribe'. There is also a homonymous adjective germānus. Exact same spelling, exact same vowel lengths, etc. This word means 'of brothers or sisters' as an adjective, or 'brother' as a noun. Now Wiktionary says that germānus should not be confused with Germānus, but I have my doubts. They have no clue about the etymology. It makes more sense to me that the Romans readily would have recognized the fact that these words were homonyms, and germānus (brother) likely gave us the word Germānus. Because this certainly isn't a name these people used for themselves. Many Germanic ethnonyms come from proto-Germanic *þiudiskaz, which gives us 'Deutsch', 'Dutch', etc.
>>1327 >This word means 'of brothers or sisters' as an adjective, or 'brother' as a noun. Now Wiktionary says that germānus should not be confused with Germānus, but I have my doubts. I don't see how there is no connection. The Romans used their own word for brother or someone of an intimate relationship and coined it as a way to describe the Northern tribes. I doubt this was, because they lacked another word to describe them considering the Ancients were all about using specific words to describe something. I think Caesar may have straight up said something about how the Britons were of kin and exactly like the Romans, although I unfortunately don't have the image that makes the claim. If true, then this only confirms that the Romans never saw that the Northeners were stupid and inferior especially when they've shat Easterns and never considered some Syrian or Ancient Levantine to be of kin to them.
>>1334 >If true, then this only confirms that the Romans never saw that the Northeners were stupid and inferior I of course cannot be said to have read everything that the Romans wrote on the Germans, but from what I remember in Tacitus' Germania, there is nothing but praise for the virtue of the German people, their racial purity (this is outright said) and their ways in general. I would have to look for the quote from Caesar, but it would not not surprise me. It's pretty funny how the words are literally identical in pronunciation but they reject this etymology for what is seemingly no good reason. It just has to come from another source! The simplest explanation is literally that they are identical in pronunciation because they are literally the same word. This isn't just some one syllable word either
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Revival of the ancient Baltic religions >In 17th, 18th and 19th century Protestant and Catholic chronicles and church documents complain of wide spread Lithuanian heathenism practice and disinterest in Christianity. In 19th most Lithuanian were nominally Christian, i.e., they had been baptized as infants. They did not readily practice their new religion, preferred to celebrate the old holidays and traditions. The church for centuries has actively advocated the destruction and removal of Lithuanian Pagan Religion elements. >The Balts were the very last European Pagans. >Many Middle Age chroniclers describe the features of the Baltic pagan religion: cremation rites; the belief in reincarnation; the veneration of holy groves, trees, fields, waters and fire; the belief in the existence of many gods and spirits; sacrificial offerings and soothsayings. >Romuva movement started its activities in 1967, was suppressed by the Soviets in 1971 and is tolerated since 1988, although attempts to restore Baltic Romuva's religion started in XIX century. >The name "Romuva" were chosen in honour of the famous Baltic Prussian sanctuary Romuva, which was destroyed by Christians. "Romuva" means "temple" or "Sanctuary" as well as "abode of inner peace". Sources from the 14th century state that in the center of Baltic lands (today Kaliningrad region), there existed Romuva sanctuary, which was revered by all Baltic nations, the eternal fire burning there spread her light and peace throughout the entire Baltic coast and even further. Beliefs >Romuva's philosophy's central idea is the sacredness of Nature, which is based on Baltic beliefs and ethnic folkloric tradition. Christianity was half accepted only in 18th-19th century. For this reason Lithuanian folklore, beliefs and customs retained the pre-Christian features to high degree even to this day. Lithuanian Baltic folklore, especially the mythological dainas, legends and the traditional way-of-life, is the basis of Lithuanian Baltic religion, Such traditional our attitudes correspond very well with the contemporal ecological and spiritual ideas. Eternity of Life, holiness of Earth and Nature, aspiration for Darna (harmony) - some of our ideas >Converted to Christianity, people were forced to ignore the Zemyna - Goddess of the holy earth and were made to honour the virgin Mary. In Christian teachings Mary was not a deity, but just an instrument of God. Looking into folk traditions and art - we can see the true essence of the Goddess. The return of the ancient Goddess is unavoidable, it is demanded by nature and peoples' conscious disposition. We begin to understand that we are the children of one Mother - people, animals, trees, plants, and that the Mother lives here, near us. Let us remember the words of M.Gimbutiene, "All that is alive - is a sign of the earth's kindness. Every earth born object is full to the brim with life's strength, granted by mother earth. Tree, flower, stone and man - all from the earth. They are all full of earth's power, although in each, the power is of various shape and form." >Romuva worships one supreme reality, which encompasses the worlds of the living and of the dead, the family and tribe, including all ancestors, all of nature, and the universe. It proclaims no eternal hell, no damnation, nor eternal salvation -- only the continuity of life in the presence of divinity. It accepts all genuine spiritual paths. Each soul is free to find its own way, Whiter by devotion, meditation or service to society. Festivals, pilgrimage, chanting of holy hymns (dainas) and home worship are most valued dynamic practices.
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Darna = Dharma >The idea of Darna (harmony) lies in origins of Baltic culture. The rule of darna harmony will lead to change and growth. Morality is the most important ideal of nature and man and is attained and maintained through persistent effort. Darna - the rule of harmony has always been of significance in the ancient faith. Man lives and the world exists due to harmonious interactions rudimentary to life and through man's own correct and moral behavior. Such differing pairs like light - darkness, fire - water, man - woman and others, do not necessarily imply a good - evil relationship. These opposite pairs are not static. They not only interact but also change and grow. From the human standpoint, there are neither absolutely good nor absolutely evil gods or goddesses. Goodness is born from interaction of differing but not of hostile forces, with man's interactive participation. Blogis - Evil is harmony's downfall, the absence or inability to restore harmony. This is most evident in nature's devastation, man's activity against nature and her order. The communities of man and nature and of family and community bear the fruit or create dora (morality) and darna (harmony). Darna is the most important nature's and man's ideals, attained and maintained with constant work and toil. Darna is not a steady and unchanging happiness, good fortune. It depends heavily on the efforts and concerns of man and his Gods. Baltic Darna - harmony is very close to the Hindu Dharma - the principle moral order of the world. https://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_trink_j_baltic_frameset.htm https://archive.fo/RnlZk
Happy Easter, anons. Hail Ostara!
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>>907 >The War on the Masculine and Feminine I had posted about this on 16pol, but their aDmiN banned it, so here it goes >"we cannot ask ourselves whether 'woman' is superior or inferior to 'man' any more than we can ask ourselves whether water is superior or inferior to fire... there can be no doubt that a woman who is perfectly woman is superior to a man who is imperfectly man, just as a farmer who is faithful to his land and performs his work perfectly is superior to a king who cannot do his own work." >says that comparing men and women is like comparing fire and water <proceeds to compare men and women >what nature tells us? hypergamy >nature informs us that creation is the ultimate goal, self propagation, recreating ourselves into new and sligthely different forms. any species that turns its back on this universal law, commits suicide by so doing, and proves itself unworthy of continued existence. *our age has been indoctrined into denying this aspect of our true nature...* true, and women have been very active on helping with that. they are the ones starting almost all divorces, raising their dauthers to be entitled bitches, putting their children on hormonal blockers and adhd meds, welcoming 'refugees' >men viewed this mysterious feminine nature with great awe and respect. simps viewed this mysterious feminine nature with great awe and respect.
>>1587 >t. angry incel Guess shouldn't be surprising, your reading comprehension is that of a 9th grader. >we cannot ask ourselves whether 'woman' is superior or inferior to 'man' Doesn't imply there is no difference between men and women nor that the differences can't be compared. Good luck saving the White race with your faggot boyfriend, shithead >aDmiN banned it Based. D/C mgtow is jewish, kys faggot
>>1587 Women are acting how they are because they are not following their natural role. Their natural role is in the domestic and child-rearing spheres, among a few others, but these are their primary places. Ancient Indo-European texts and historical information are unequivocal in this domain. Men are superior in a sense, but the role of the female is 100% necessary to the survival of our people. I hate whores, feminists and sluts. Not really women in a broad sense.
For anyone into the greco-roman I recommend Friedrich Nietzsche's Birth of a Tragedy. It's a personal favorite, although most of the ideas in it are probably not the ones NS would adapt from the author. http://www.russoeconomics.altervista.org/Nietzsche.pdf
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>>1593 >t. angry incel <hardcore projection >Doesn't imply there is no difference between men and women nor that the differences can't be compared. it literally mentions that comparing men and women is like comparing water and fire. >Good luck saving the White race with your faggot boyfriend, shithead <not having arguments >Guess shouldn't be surprising, your reading comprehension is that of a 9th grader. of course, because cursing and banning statistics are very adult things to do. >Based. D/C mgtow is jewish based for what? my post is not mgtow. >>1593 >Women are acting how they are because they are not following their natural role. Their natural role is in the domestic and child-rearing spheres, among a few others, but these are their primary places. Ancient Indo-European texts and historical information are unequivocal in this domain. 100% agreed. that's what the statistics demonstrate, women are not following their natural role. and as a coping mechanism they manifest their instincts by welcoming "refugees". >Men are superior in a sense, but the role of the female is 100% necessary to the survival of our people. also 100% agreed. >I hate whores, feminists and sluts. Not really women in a broad sense. I hate no women, except jewesses of course.
>>1648 What you say is true but of course men are not following their natural role either. Weak or absent fathers, inter-marriage with asians and hispanics, BLM advocacy, the list goes on.
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I don't know much about women but I like pumping hot loads in their bums and sometimes they're cute I guess. So I can't really hate them
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>>1734 >in their bums Nature made you a hole to use, and you neglect it.
>>70 Pretty sure i saw some info that STJ is a jew. let me check.
>>1738 He has some shady connections, but I have never seen him called a jew
>>1327 The Latin 'Germanus' coming from Proto-Germanic 'Germanniz' (spearmen) is certainly plausible, but only a German-speaking Roman would've made that connection while every Roman would make the 'sibling' one. >>1738 Probably something by an angry Vargfan. STJ is our guy .
>>1741 >Proto-Germanic 'Germanniz' (spearmen) Hmm, the only issue with this is that the proto-Germanic word for spear is reconstructed as ‘*gaizaz’. We do have descendents of that in some languages such as Old English gār, German Ger and Norse geirr. The real question is whether the Proto-Germanic *z sound had shifted to ‘r’ yet in the time of the Roman Empire. Looking at runic inscriptions it’s hard to say. We do have some attested 2nd century and 4th century inscriptions which still have the *z sound. If it’s true that this sound hadn’t changed to ‘r’ by this time it’s unlikely to me that it is a Germanic borrowing, but it’s definitely an interesting and somewhat hypothesis that I can’t outright debunk. I am surprised I’ve never heard this.
>>1739 >>1741 No it's his connections to Dave Martel, an italian larping as a Teutonic pagan and running the reborn Norroena society which has always sought to syncretize Christainity and Germanic pagan beliefs and Boaz Villalonga who is a jew.
>>1741 >STJ is our guy You're a fucking shill, look at my post >>1716 he isn't "our guy" he's a kike who larps as a pagan. It is evident considering he admited that he used to be a marxist and has suspicious connections with his wife who seems to be a jewess.
>>1716 >>1744 Your link doesn't load. So he was a leftist as a teen? STJ is English and his wife is Swedish, both seem to be from families of protectant priests. He pretends to be normie, but he used to frequent NS-Pagan discord servers and I've seen no evidence to him changing his views.
>>1743 How does David Martel syncretize Christianity and Norse Paganism? I watched a bit from him in the past and I’ve never detected anything like this. >>1744 I have seen no proof that STJ or his wife are jewish. What I *have* seen though is proof that his wife used to hang around with a bunch on non-Whites when she was younger and acted / looked a bit trashy. There also seems to be some Zionist Christians in her family. Some also take issue with how STJ was married in a church. Despite this his content’s not had. I take it with a grain of salt since he loves genetics-faggotry so much, but he’s doing good work in general.
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>>1747 The links works on my machine. >STJ is English and his wife is Swedish, That's something he and she claims, but there was straight up evidence that his wife is a jew, considering she was talk with a fellow jew about a visit in Israel or something. >He pretends to be normie This is obviously SP with shilling of this faggot. Pretending to be a normalfaggot is we like to call optics cucking. He isn't le based and redpilled, he's just a materialist who tries to use modern science thinking he's defending Europe. You and STJ and primary examples of people who think DNA will end the jew or something when it serves no purpose at all. The dude is an e-celeb and his dna test have no meaning other than him trying to appease the jew by not being a radical. >>1748 >I have seen no proof that STJ or his wife are jewish We had proof on the last board, so maybe you missed it or lying. It seemed on she facebook she was talking from Israel itself, which sets a major redflag. Also your wife shouldn't be hanging out with non-Whites in the first place. Why is this acceptable to you? >but he’s doing good work in general You mean shilling his jewtube channel and larping as a pagan? Speaking agaisnt narratives that NS believed? He's just another e-celeb with a suspicious background. This is like the 50th time fascist fell for faggots who can't be trusted. When are we not going to be gullible?
Is Varg the greatest boogeyman to exist considering he rents free in SP and every faggots head on Earth?
>>1752 >We had proof on the last board, so maybe you missed it or lying. >It seemed on she facebook she was talking from Israel itself, which sets a major redflag. Also your wife shouldn't be hanging out with non-Whites in the first place. I have no proof for this claim, but I’m literally the one who posted the proof from the last board. I’ve seen it all, and it certainly calls into question many things. This said, none of it proved that either of them were jewish. Plently of Zionist Christcucks visit Israel, so in itself it isn’t proof that any of them are jews. I’m not trying to excuse any of this behavior here. Hanging out with non-Whites is a problem, especially for a woman. Many of the old kikebook photos were very trashy as well in my opinion. >You mean shilling his jewtube channel and larping as a pagan? Is he LARPing though? I honestly don’t know what his view on the nature of the gods is. I have heard him talk about Evola a few times, as well as Guénon. He’s some form of Traditionalist as far as I can tell. I’m genuinely ignorant here so I’d be interested to hear what you know, especially if you have proof. >Speaking agaisnt narratives that NS believed? If you’re referring to the pic you attached, what he is saying is just stupid. I get what he is saying, but it really doesn’t work in practice. Diversity of any variety naturally implies inequality, and comparison of two beings becomes more and more feasible the closer two beings are. It’s hard to compare the superiority or inferiority of a bee versus a tree, for example, they are quite different beings, though my hunch leans towards a bee. With men and women, or between Whites and non-Whites comparison is quite easily done, and Whites and men come out on top, of course. >He's just another e-celeb with a suspicious background Yes. But I have found his videos are interesting starting points for further digging and inquiry, given that he sources himself. I’m not talking about genetics-faggotry either, I’m talking about old stories and comparisons between traditions.
>>1748 >I’ve never detected anything like this. I don't care what you've detercted or not, and i didn't say he did necessarily only that he runs the Norroena society 2.0 which does little to distance itself from the blatantly Christian syncretist past of it's membership, I took one look at one of their translations of the poetic eddas and it was so arrogantly pro-Christian, i almost puked, he also quite literally shill Boaz Villalonga, who is a jew.
>>1759 >I took one look at one of their translations of the poetic eddas and it was so arrogantly pro-Christian In what sense?
>>1760 see for yourself
>>1757 >who posted the proof from the last board. I’ve seen it all, and it certainly calls into question many things. This said, none of it proved that either of them were jewish. No you weren't, because the guy who posted it was a Varg nigger. I doubt you've seen anything, because the post on the /fash/ was pretty decisive enough to prove that he fucked not only a Paki, but a jew as well. >Is he LARPing though? Yes he is, he refers himself as a pagan, but doesn't really understand it outside of modern science and references. He advocates dumb shit like "sleeping like a pagan" or something of the sort. He's a larper for sure, considering he lives nothing like a pagan.
>>1762 Honestly I don't see what is particularly 'Christian' about this translation. It merely appears like the authors tried to replicate the poetry of the original Norse text, which leads to the marked and poetic word ordering. The thou / thee stuff isn't necessarily bad either, because it can help one distinguish between whether the pronouns in the original were second person singular or plural, since the distinction is blurred in modern English, unless one were to write "y'all" or "you guys", which would sound out of place in a text like this. Unless I am completely missing some obvious fact here. You are likely more acquainted with the Eddas than I am. >>1763 >Yes he is, he refers himself as a pagan, but doesn't really understand it outside of modern science and references. He advocates dumb shit like "sleeping like a pagan" or something of the sort. He's a larper for sure, considering he lives nothing like a pagan. It's definitely true that it's not a good sign that I can't even tell how serious he is or what he really believes. He never really talks on it, or if he does I don't watch those videos. I watch maybe a video or two of his every few months
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>>1774 Visiting from Tel Aviv is a red-flag and may just confirm she is indeed a jew, considering no one but them are allowed to visit any part of Israel, unless there maybe certain exceptions that I don't know about. I'm always seeing supposed right-wingers and fascists having relationships with jewesses or connections with an Israeli period. I don't know whether it's because they're indeed subversive or do it out of fear that if they don't have a jew to hide behind they will get canceled turned into a scapegoat like all the other who refused to join their narratives. I never liked STJ, because he shills paganism as if it's a movement or some sort. It's even dumber to think that you're stopping anti-White narratives by actively involving yourself in science that can still be easily manipulated and is in the hands of kikes within American Universities.
>>1782 >considering no one but them are allowed to visit any part of Israel, People can visit Israel as tourists fairly easily as far as I know, but what people have to be careful about are certain types of jews there. They will harass you and sperg out if they find out you are a goy. I've seen videos of inbred-looking jewish youths harassing Israeli tourists.
>>1783 >harassing Israeli tourists. *tourists in Israel
>>1782 A whole lot of christians go to Israel as free labor. You can criticize StJ on his Haploautism and Patreon-shilling, but his videos on ancient history are very good. Calling him a jew is just retarded.
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>>1787 >A whole lot of christians go to Israel as free labor. Kek you can't make this shit up
>>1787 >A whole lot of christians go to Israel as free labor. Ok that doesn't cancel the suspicion off of her. >but his videos on ancient history are very good. Not really or at all. >Calling him a jew is just retarded. I called his wife a jew, so you're the only one being retarded here. But continue to suck off your favorite e-celeb, SP it's getting quite pathetic.
Also I don't trust anyone who proclaims to be "pro-European", but refuses to be a racialist and supremacist in any way or form. If you want to repeat the same stupid mistakes that every imageboard autist makes, then that's your procative. Just don't come here shilling jewtube videos on here like a retard and using normalfag words such as "normie".
>>1791 Isn't it more likely that she comes from a family of Ziocucked Christians rather than themselves being full-blooded jews? I'm not saying that this is excusable, but the evidence for her family being ethnically jewish is next to nothing, especially when the Facebook comments talk about them visiting Bethlehem and the Church of the Nativity. STJ is an admitted racemixer though too, someone post the discord screenshot
>>1793 >Isn't it more likely that she comes from a family of Ziocucked Christians rather than themselves being full-blooded jews? Ziocucked Christians are usually part jewish themselves, because many of the pro-Israel boomers are proudly partially jewish, which is why they love Israel more than America. Even if she isn't a kike, which is the point you're all missing, it doesn't make anything better for him marrying a zionist who visits Israel and hangs around non-Whites. Calling yourself a pagan, but marrying someone who's spiritually a jew is not only retarded, but raise all suspicion on you to infiltrate our circle which that retard SP never seems to comprehend. STJ has already shown that he believes mankind are all the same and willing to validate jewish science even if it is willing to destroy the truth that Whites are indeed better than other non-Whites and what the Greco-Romans/Aryans thought of those who are damned (shit-skins, non-Aryans). There is no way in hell I can trust or believe anyone like him. Varg is an idiot and annoying as hell, but at least he has children, isn't fucking non-White females, marries a zionist and then talk and acts like a retarded shitlib. I generally cannot stand e-celebs.
>>1797 >Even if she isn't a kike, which is the point you're all missing, it doesn't make anything better for him marrying a zionist who visits Israel and hangs around non-Whites Of course not, I've never tried to excuse this fact about STJ. There's photo evidence and everything. I was merely wondering if there is enough evidence to call her a jew in the blood sense. Of course in the spiritual sense it appears that his wife's family is spiritually jewish, and likely his wife himself is / was. And I completely agree with when it comes to relying on genetics put out by literal kikes like (((David Reich))) to say anything substantial or trustworthy about the history of our people. This is not the best approach to take, as we all know. Varg was in the right to expose STJ and call him out for being a degenerate. Varg at the very least is practicing what he preaches to a T, even if I find his paganism a bit dubious and his solutions a bit misguided.
>>1733 >Weak or absent fathers helloooooo??? who starts 80% of the divorces?? >inter-marriage with asians and hispanics true, these ones are disgusting. >BLM advocacy, the list goes on. what proportion of them advocate this? > What you say is true but of course men are not following their natural role either. totally true. men should never have let cucks, cowards and women have legal status. the greeks were totally right in not allowing these people to be citizens.
>>1887 >helloooooo??? who starts 80% of the divorces?? His point being, part of the reason women start 80% of divorces is due to weak/absent fathers
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/04/02/are-iranians-White/ >Iran has the highest number of nose surgeries on earth (which isn’t a good thing, Iranians should be happy with their Iranian noses). >Western Iranic elites initially may have had increased European ancestry, due to the caste-based nature of Indo-European society, but were probably no more than half European. I'm convinced this dude is becoming more of a liberal.
>>2093 I’ve felt the same. It was disappointing in particular to see him slide into David Reich’s genetics-faggotry and do stuff like claim that modern Italians = ancient Romans. I suspect that he posts here so if he does he’ll be sperging out before long ITT. >but were probably no more than half European. Claim asserted without evidence. The fact that millennia after Aryans arrived in Iran there are still numbers of Iranians wity Aryan pheotype shows that there were probably tons of Whites living there in ancient times, not loads of half-breeds.
>>1889 Think about how hilariously wrong that is when kike society abducts children and fervently brainwashes their minds just so that they may be hostile to their parents, race, tradition and loyal to the sick jewish propaganda filth instructed. Now in video related is not in entirety be such a bad thing as it's made out to be because it can be used for ultimate good or ultimate evil however it's a tool to be regarded with much importance and protected, a crack that jews noticed and so one of their first goals were to corrupt the educational institutions. Modern education is completely disastrous for the health and mental fitness of young White people.
>>2119 >It was disappointing in particular to see him slide into (((David Reich)))’s genetics-faggotry I don't understand how he isn't suspicious of David Reich and never talked about some of the dumb shit he says about how we all come from Africa and that there is no such thing as purity. He is also willing to take any DNA test that comes from American labs and try to spin it as a truth, because it supposedly stop anti-Whiteness, but fails to recognize that the DNA tests are still in the hand of the jew and can be easily overwritten. DNA doesn't even tell you the whole or most of the story of what transpired during events and ages, nor does it confirm anything other than there was supposedly a people buried in a grave and scientist give their estimate number of a historical date, which isn't accurate either. What's even worse is that he is willing to attack and deny Nordicism just to protect and unite us with the medcucks. When is this faggot gonna realize that modern science can't save us and the only tests that matter are the ones that come out of fascist labs?
>>2130 It's honestly so strange to me why there are so many people who just unquestioningly accept this information from David Reich and his buddies. These are the same institutions pushing critical race theory and other forms of cultural Marxism onto young minds, yet we are supposed to think that they are wholly objective in this one particular domain? There is an absolute wealth of writings available from ancient Europeans that seems to paint a very different picture of the past, but so many people StJ and Thuletide seem to throw a lot of it away in favor of this nonsense. Like you I don't trust any sort of datings of these things either. Carbon dating is very inaccurate from the little research I've done myself as well. I'm honestly at the point where I have almost zero faith in what (((science))) tells us, and will not change my views on a matter unless I can observe it and test it out myself, which, most of the time unfortunately, is not possible, but I think that this a far more honest view of things rather than spouting factoids from jews and claiming that their data and picture given of the European past is the truth. Attacking Nordicism too is a bad look, especially in the light of the ample evidence in favor of at least a soft version of it.
Is monotheism necessarily a subversive force? Many pagans seem to believe this, but they don't seem to tackle the philosophy regarding this and what their ancestors have written. The true subversive monotheism is monotheism which banishes all gods from existence other than God, and castigates all others as demons. Meanwhile it is clear from looking into what both Greeks and Hindus speculated on in ancient times (very ancient times, far before jewish influence) that many -at least among the more philosophical - considered there to be one supreme being / principle and a host of deities created subordinate to him
>>2229 >Is monotheism necessarily a subversive force? Yes. >Many pagans seem to believe this, but they don't seem to tackle the philosophy regarding this and what their ancestors have written. The true subversive monotheism is monotheism which banishes all gods from existence other than God, and castigates all others as demons. This is all monotheism >Meanwhile it is clear from looking into what both Greeks and Hindus speculated on in ancient times (very ancient times, far before jewish influence) that many -at least among the more philosophical - considered there to be one supreme being / principle and a host of deities created subordinate to him. This is not monotheism, this is the logical discovery of the Supreme Godhead/First Cause(or First Causes we do not know how much was changed in Aristotles works by christkikes over several thousand years of having their hands on it) believe in this thing all you want, silent though it may be, but to acknowledge the existence of other gods you are by definition NOT A MONOTHEIST, how do people not get this?
>>2246 Monotheism and polytheism are kiked terms which do not overlap in the slightest despite the similarity in names. Fundamentally the type of deity that would fall under the label of monotheism is different in every way from beings like Zeus, Thor, Odin, Indra, etc, in that this deity is described as a necessary being who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. I do not say this to denigrate these gods, but Zeus, Thor, Odin, Indra, etc. are not any of these. They were born at a point, can likely die according to many myths or prophecies, and are not omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc. The reason to think that these terms are in any way mutually exclusive is to make a massive category error. It is due to the terms that this happens. The existence of the Supreme Godhead / First Cause can be reasoned to and sustained philosophically, while the other gods cannot (just like any contingent entity), and this alone shows that they are two fundamentally different types of beings—note that I am *not* denying these beings or saying that they are not worthy of worship or devotion. >we do not know how much was changed in Aristotles works by christkikes over several thousand years of having their hands on it We can be reasonable certain with comparison to non-European philosophies and scriptures that there wasn’t too much tampering, as in India since the very beginning (i.e. when it was still White) they spoke of Brahman as the absolute / ultimate reality, the material, efficient, formal and final cause of everything. And yes I am the same poster as the Tor poster.
>>2229 There being a supreme being/origin is not strictly monotheistic. Hell Christianity sure as hell not monotheistic. I think the Trinity, angels, and demons are proof of this.
>>2515 I don’t think angels or demons count against Christianity’s claims to monotheism much, but the trinity always gives me a good laugh. Christians are schizophrenic, alternating between tritheism and monotheism depending on the situation. The entire doctrine is a mangled version of Plotinus’ One, intellect and soul
>>2515 >Hell Christianity sure as hell not monotheistic. I think the Trinity, angels, and demons are proof of this. No that's not what Christians believe nor how it works out. The trinity is the idea that God is one person who plays three distinctive persons who are all of the same substance meaning they would still worship the same God. Angels are the servants of God created from his will/nature to bring upon his faith and image on the universe, while the demons are simply the rejection and opposition of God. The existence of monotheism is about the worship of one God, merely believing in Angels and Demons doesn't mean you believe in other deities for they aren't deities at all.
>>2609 >No that's not what Christians believe nor how it works out. The trinity is the idea that God is one person who plays three distinctive persons who are all of the same substance meaning they would still worship the same God Which is still hypocritical and quite dumb, because they are clearly showing they believe in different persons. >Angels are the servants of God created from his will/nature to bring upon his faith and image on the universe, while the demons are simply the rejection and opposition of God. And those they call demons are non-abrahamic/goy deities, technically they are acknowledging that they are deities as well, but plaster over a lie that they are evil and demonic, even though not all demons are always evil.
>>2610 >Which is still hypocritical and quite dumb, because they are clearly showing they believe in different persons. It's dumb, but not hypocritical. They are still worshiping the same essence/nature of the God. Gods are not worshipped for being different persons for they aren't just persons, but all have different natures and spirits as well. The worship of Jesus and God himself isn't like worshipping Zeus and Apollo. >And those they call demons are non-abrahamic/goy deities, technically they are acknowledging that they are deities as well, They aren't acknowledging them as deities, but as servants of satan or goys as you say. Romans saw the non-Latin/Roman Gods as useless and inferior to their own, but they still acknowledge them to have existed and contain different natures and roles within life. Christians do not acknowledge any divine nature within Odin at all and cannot see him as a God.
Also question, why did mythologies personify the Sun as a woman Sól/Sunna, Saulė, Amaterasu) and the moon as a male? Does this contradict the idea that light is masculine and darkness is feminine?
>>2610 The big mistake the Abrahamist makes is denouncing everything other than God / angels as evil and not worthy of respect. This is what is truly radical about Abrahamism. In English unfortunately it’s difficult to see the real distinction Abrahamists are making here due to the word “god” being used in either case. The gods of Europe are essentially equivalent to Hindu devas as a class of entities. Unlike in English and many modern European languages, they’ve always been able to distinguish between devas and God, which is often given terms like Iśvara, Brahman, etc. The confusion simply doesn’t even arise. The Abrahamist identifies his Semitic volcano demon with this Brahman, a quite dubious claim, and demands of it exclusive worship. We should remember that in the OT the jealous Yahweh demanded of the jews exclusive obedience because he was “jealous”. The jews make a false identification and topple the entire hierarchical Natural Order flowing from the top-down, knocking out anything between man and highest principle / God or whatever you want to call it. This is of course subversive.
>>2612 >They are still worshiping the same essence/nature of the God. Gods are not worshipped for being different persons for they aren't just persons, but all have different natures and spirits as well. The bigger issue is that the doctrine is just incoherent. It has been defined in such a way that any attempt to understand it has been labeled heretical at some point, and most attempts to rationalize it are derided as either some form of tritheism or modalism. Anyone who hasn’t been brainwashed into trinitarianism will be hard-pressed to even find justification for it in the Bible either. All Arians, Adoptionists, etc. were stamped out and these retarded 2deep4u doctrines adopted. >>2613 Other cultures, including Indo-European ones, are of course also known to have sun gods and moon goddesses. The real question is which one is the oldest interpretation.
>>2614 >The big mistake the Abrahamist makes is denouncing everything other than God / angels as evil and not worthy of respect. This is what is truly radical about Abrahamism. I saw this telegram group that's so pro-christ to the point where they think "all other religions are shit and shouldn't be respected". And then they go on to say how Chinamen, Japanese and other non-Whites are the "anti-christ" who should be exterminated. You believe this shit? >inb4 based To say that only your religion is THE religion is kike-ish, no?
>>2613 >Also question, why did mythologies personify the Sun as a woman Sól/Sunna, Saulė, Amaterasu) and the moon as a male? The sun and the moon both have masculine and feminine characteristics and either one can be seen as male or female. The sun being personified as a woman does not contradict the idea that light and fire are masculine energies/symbols.
>>2626 >You believe this shit? I don’t see how you’d think that I’m saying anything like this. >To say that only your religion is THE religion is kike-ish, no? It depends. There has to be some reference to truth. The real question is whether a single way can have a monopoly on truth, or whether there is a single way to respond to truth. The Abrahamist says there pretty much is. The pagan will (if he is serious) say that there is a clear distinction between truth and untruth, but that there is a greater deal of flexibility and natural diversity in how this is responded to. This shouldn’t be construed with complete relativism though. Not everything is just permissable, but neither does everyone who has a slightly different idea needs to be eradicated. Some types would be better off being eradicated though. Christians, jews, Muslims, Wiccans, most atheists, etc
>>291 Late to reply but there is an interesting site that connects the Sumerian language with European ones. https://new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html?m=1 Borrowing words along with the blue eyed brings me to the conclusion that Samarra was European or partly and the rulers of Sumeria were also Aryans.
>>2636 Hmm, there's actually a little more collected here than I thought there would be. If this is true it would definitely show that some sort of language like PIE or closely related to it influenced Sumerian in some way or another. Sumerian itself is clearly unrelated to any living Indo-European language, but that of course says nothing about their race, of course. There are Whites who speak non-Indo-European languages, needless to say, such as Caucasian languages, Basque, Finnish, Hungarian, etc.
>>2646 I like the Jayanta = Thor equation. I was skeptical at first, but the more I thought about it the better it seemed to me. Thor is clearly not the king of the gods. He is the son of the king of the gods. Unless we are to assume that the pantheon is just totally fluid and that pagans make shit up constantly, there is the inexplicable question of why Thor was demoted from being king of the gods, and made the son of the king of the gods. In every other Aryan pantheon, the king of the gods never lost his spot. Jupiter, Zeus, Perun, Indra, etc. Thor is a storm deity. Sanatana Dharma has Indra surrounded by tons of storm deities called Maruts, as well as sons like Jayanta. Interestingly Jayanta is said to have transformed for a time into a raven / crow in the Ramayana. I cannot help but think there might a connection with Odin's ravens here.
>>2646 He also equates Odin as Agni. I don't know much about Agni, but can anyone else see the similarities? I'm having a hard time as see them as the Romans supposedly Odin as Mercury.
Arya Akasha is an absolute meme, and I have yet to see one equation of deities between traditions from him that is not spurious or stretching things in the extreme. I almost wonder what his real goal is. Daily reminder that this is who you're reading: >We often hear people attack Hinduism as being ‘impure’ from an Indo-European perspective – purportedly hopelessly “compromised” via incorporations of all manner of non-IE customs and cults. >Perhaps it is quite literally racism – because we so often hear people drawing from some 19th/early 20th century books to talk about “race-mixing” prohibitions in ancient legal codes that then ‘fail’ producing the purported “decline” of India past that point (Which is fairly blatantly untrue, historically speaking, but another matter for another time); although I am not sure that that sort of ‘morality play’ approach can be really at the root of it either – as the Hittites quite famously mixed and integrated with various non-Hittite and not even Indo-European groups, and built a great empire in the process of it. Indeed, it was literally central to their approach! https://aryaakasha.com/2020/11/22/of-hittites-and-hindus-and-their-respective-differing-receptions-amidst-some/ > I shall say one thing. I am no fan of Neo-Nazis, and have regularly found that some of the most obstinate and ridiculous of outright *intentional* distorters and perverters of our area of expertise here at Arya Akasha and #NAS, have come from within their ranks. >I therefore am not penning this in order to attempt to defend (Neo-)Nazi utilization of Runes, any more than I – a pious Hindu – would be especially keen upon Neo-Nazi co-option of any of our symbols, such as the Swastika, or even the very word “Aryan”. https://aryaakasha.com/2019/05/23/man-cannot-ban-what-man-did-not-create-on-swedens-proposed-rune-ban/ He's an anti-White subverter.
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>>2665 Those rat ears give it away big time. Just another inbred jew liar making up bullshit as usual.
>>2665 Where does this faggot live, exactly?
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>>2667 New Zealand. There's a comment saying "It's a Swedish nose, not a jewish nose!" from one of his buddies too, I'll have to dig it up again
>>2668 >New Zealand. Shame Tarrant did put him on his hit list.
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Here's the comment I was talking about. >>2669 I was going to dig for what he said about Christchurch but got tired of going through photos. I'll have to find it now that I'm at it again.
Apparently he's a Muslim apologist too, kek >What I *am* saying, is that – as applies the New Zealand experience today, especially – “terrorism has no [intrinsic] religion”. >It is “political” violence, sought to be amplified through media, to push whatever abys(m)al agenda could not be attained through reasoned discourse. >If you’re from any of the various tendencies out there which have previously sought to suggest that it’s “only” a “Muslim issue” [which flies flat in the face of the fact that, for a start, the previous incident of international terrorism which took place here in NZ was, in point of fact, *French* government authored] you should probably Adjust your Perceptions, accordingly. https://archive.fo/y18hv https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/03/16/flipping-the-script-on-fridays-terror-attack-in-christchurch/
>>2671 Nothing more disgusting then a filthy jew pretending to be Swedish.
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I have performed a jew check on him, and he aligns remarkably well with the the model here: >>442. There's a high chance that he is a kike. >>2673 Sadly much of the Indo-European scene online is crawling with Zionists and other weirdos trying to subvert it.
>STJ exposed and BTFO >Thuletide exposed and BTFO >Arya Akasha exposed and BTFO Is there anyone that is actually good who is prominent in the pagan / Indo-European scene?
>>2676 This freaks me out. I have a similar looking nose. This guy's nose isn't even like the stereotypical one.
>>2679 His nose isn’t really that jewy, look at the pics I have attached and console yourself. In general this guy has a very strange skull-shape as well and a host of other factors and pieces of evidence that point to be him being a kike
>>2678 Thulide hasn't been exposed and btfod, the problem with him is that he acts like a liberal when it comes to DNA. The real redpill here is that anyone who goes on around acting like some form of e-celeb is a subversive or a glownigger. Even imageboards aren't same from it, considering we seen the 8chan's /fascist/ and /pol/ filled with so many actual shills that it wasn't even funny.
>>2665 >Le Nazi Never mind fuck this guy.
>>2681 >Thulide hasn't been exposed and btfod, the problem with him is that he acts like a liberal when it comes to DNA This is true, you are right. He’s really out of place with the other two, really, where there is ample evidence for kikery afoot. Thuletide has made some good articles here and there. I don’t think he is subversive, but perhaps slightly misguided in some areas >The real redpill here is that anyone who goes on around acting like some form of e-celeb is a subversive or a glownigger. Very true
>>2678 don't seek idols period. you will always become letdown.
>>2680 >His nose isn’t really that jewy, look at the pics I have attached and console yourself. In general this guy has a very strange skull-shape as well and a host of other factors and pieces of evidence that point to be him being a kike The nose isn't always a telling factor, kikes are also known to have bulbous noses; in this case the nose bridge and his ears are more telling of his kike blood than the traditional hook nose.
>>2678 What about Varg? He seems like the least kosher out of all of them.
>>2693 Varg is a retard who thinks Nordics originate from Neanderthals and refuses to admit doing the action that saves Nordic people and not tweeting to your cult 24/7. He also wants to distinct Nords from "White" as well, which makes me think he's a controlled opposition.
>>2678 >Is there anyone that is actually good who is prominent in the pagan / Indo-European scene? Out of prominent people, probably Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya. At the very least I can tell he's not LARPing and his books are actually decent. I've benefited from him. He's not perfect though either, one should always keep >>2685 in mind. The problem areas with this guy are seemingly his position on women and how it is not in accordance with the Vedas and potentially caste. I wouldn't join his group or anything but I enjoy listening to him. >>2693 Varg is the least kosher. The issue is that he his paganism is very bizarre ('everything is a metaphor for a placenta') and statements about how autism is a superpower and the like. I don't know if he's controlled opposition necessarily, but he's a bit wacky. He practices what he preaches though. He has what, seven kids now?
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>>2713 So you say that this native New Yorker whose real name is Frank Morales and who dresses like the average street shitter of pooistan and paints his face like the cannibals of new guinea is not a LARPer? A guy who literally goes by an invented fantasy name he gave to himself? A chubby, pudgy, balding Wannabe-Latin-Lover-Antonia-Banderas-Lookalike with the body height of Gimli son of Gloin, who calls himself a yogi, master of self discipline? And he is not in any way a LARPer you say? Ok, sounds perfectly reasonable. And "probelm areas"? Lol. His deeds contradict his words, he is extremely dishonest. He called Prabhupada an avesha avatara (that means he thinks that Prabhupada's deeds and words are God's own by proxy) in many of his videos yet he completely disregards Prabhupada's and the Veda's stance on the role of women in vedic society. He even went so far as to initiate women as vedic teachers by his own admission. Empowering the shiksas like a true jewish feminist, isn't he now? Why does he do it? Look at the picture. What do you think is the male to female ratio of his disciples / donors? There's no vedic guru more authentic than the one selling cofee mugs 'n t-shirts on his website after all!
>>2805 >There's no vedic guru more authentic than the one selling cofee mugs 'n t-shirts on his website after all! Shills always mention this. The man's running a non-profit 501(c)(3), if some retard wants to buy a mug or a T-shirt to support his work, let them. It's no different than giving a donation, except for the donator is getting a product in return. Regarding the women followers and there being more - in general women are more religious on average and get interested in this sort of "alternative" spirituality than do men. That's very well-documented. I don't even think he looks as bad as you are saying, and you obviously have some sort of axe to grind. When I say he is not LARPing I mean that he actually believes in God, the gods and the like and is knowledgeable in the areas he talks on that I have seen. This said, and this was made abundantly clear in my previous post, I think the biggest concern with him is, obviously, women. I wish I could ask him this, and maybe it would be worth emailing him about and seeing if any sort of response could be gotten. I have similar questions about his caste interpretations. I'm not saying that this dude is the savior of the White race or any sort of expounder of infallible truth - at most he is an interesting channel that occasionally provides good information. Everyone should keep an open mind in watching anyone though, because they could always be pushing subversive content without knowing it.
>>2805 >being surrounded by women is muh larps! No one post a pic of Der Fuehrer or anything.
>>2657 Odin's equivalent is Zeus and Jupiter, I think we're missing a myth somewhere where Odin gifts Thor his lightning powers, some of it has to do with Mjolnir, according to the myths but I am not sure how true to the reality those stories are being recorded from half forgotten stories told by the Grandparents of second generation of Christian Norsemen whether on Iceland or elsewhere.
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>>506 Are you serious, nigger? It's illegal for a britbong to make a video and not be a fag because of ZOG in their country. What I know about Celtic warriors is that being a headhunter was what a warrior aspired to in the same way that a German aspired to be a Viking raider. Clearly that refers to killing as an act of great importance. I'm a VikingCelt and I don't think a man is a man until he has fought, gone off to war, and worked hard for something. We used to have initiation rites for this reason (to make sure). Furthermore, until recently, the Australians would still have their warriors kill a prisoner and called it "blooding," so until recently our people still did normal things. All this kike shit is a recent, faggoty aberration from an otherwise glorious history spanning literally hundreds of thousands of years. The natural man is a warrior, as David Lane once said. If you were born to be a man, then be one. Your instincts will lead you in the right direction. No one ever taught me shit, yet here I am, as an Anon.
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>>2821 LMAO, thank you, anon. Also of note for shills are phrases like "Namefag X is our guy." Obvious outsider concepts really should stand out, and if not, go by the old HateChan protocol and lurk the fuck moar. There was some MGTOWnigger up above in the thread who can't seem to figure out that there are plenty of "modern men" AKA not-men AKA faggots and just wants to only blame women for the behavior of the enemy kike jew, which is flat-out retarded. Never go against your own people with D&C. That's an ancient concept called the Frith. Pic unrelated because I have to shitpost a little.
>>2818 >>2821 >Chubby dwarf with the charisma of a potato sitting in a room with 23 self deluded new age hippies Oy vey, goyim! Look over here my fellow aryans! I found you the new Adolf Hitler. The new and improved version of the Fuehrer. He play no games this time around cawse you can even buy coffe mugs 'n sheeeit on his website!! Nomesayn??! He already gets in between one to two thousand clicks per video after a decade of youtube. At least 80 people regularly watch his incredibly well made livestreams. Soon he will top the Adolf in popularity, only 80 million followers more to go. Then the Golden Age will be here. He guarantees it you know, just send some shekels his way. It's non-profit, bros!! (501(c)(3) tax deductible bros!!)
>>2840 This is really just some demoniac behavior. I feel bad for you.
>>2842 >calling a small overweight person with strange mannerisms a chubby dwarf with the charisma of a potato on some obscure internet forum no one really cares about Oy vey goyim. You are literally a demon!!! I just wanted to shill in peace for a guy who literally shits on the vedas and Prabhupada by initiating women as vedic teachers. He is the greatest living authority on Sanatana Dharma. He writes so himself on the backcover of his new book. It's true in his mind!
This book was linked in the reading thread and is a nice overview of Zoroastrianism from what I have read so far. There are also helpful links to the Yasna to the right. It is amazing to read the descriptions of the nature of Ahura Mazda and to realize what the Abrahamics have tried to wholly appropriate from Zarathustra’s experiences. From what I have read so far, I feel like I must change my opinion on Zoroastrianism being subversive. http://avesta.org/dhalla/dhalla1.htm
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>>2808 > Pictured on the left is the Fuehrer with a new batch of freshly initiated vedic teachers. Soon they will be teaching his generals and ss-officers the dangers of toxic masculinity. There is a reason the jews targeted our women first by unleashing wave after wave of feminist propaganda and brainwashing upon them. Putting any woman in charge of anything other than her own household is absolutely degenarate and adharmic behaviour. The vedas are clear on the role of women in society. To deviate from this puts your idol in direct opposition to the vedas. And selling cheap trinkets on a website does not behoove a brahman. this is acceptable of vaishyas but combined with the constant begging it is the behaviour of a shudra.
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Since it is being discussed, it is worth posting what exactly the Laws of Manu say about the dharma of women in society. TL;DR - >women were created to bear children >men should marry women younger than themselves >women are always to be under the control of male guardians >women are 'exalted in heaven' by the mere factor of being obedient to their husbands >a woman faithful to her husband and controlling her body, mind and speech is known as a 'good woman' Prabhupada said all of this himself too, as others have been pointing out. Unfortunately Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya is indeed teaching in the area of women highly adharmic doctrines. None of what is said in these passages should be that controversial. Most of it is just common sense repeated by men of wisdom for millennia. Hitler himself grasped the different dharmas of men and women as well. The question is why SDPA ignores this.
>>2891 >The question is why SDPA ignores this. I think it's really anti-semitic of you to ask this kind of questions.
>>2979 I really don't think he's a kike though. That doesn't mean he's based either, mind you. I have read his Dharma Manifesto and he quotes from the Talmud saying that even the best of the goyim should be killed, and goes on later to classify nations into three categories, some of which can sustain civilization (under which he lumps all traditionally White nations) and those which can't (which are all non-White, esp. Africa and South America). And then we read see in that books bibliography citations of Savitri Devi, Evola, Yockey, Mishima, Stoddard and other figures. He's way to woke to be a kike, but he falls flat in particular areas hard.
Why was Angra Mainyu said to fear next-of-kin marriage (Xwedodah), and be powerless before the man who practices it? http://www.avesta.org/mp/shayest.html#chap18 http://www.avesta.org/vendidad/vd8sbe.htm
Can someone explain to me how zodiacs really work and if they are or aren't memed over by new age bull.
>>3188 It's bullshit, unless geocentrism can be proved, or that location of the Earth is special in some way. Otherwise there's no special meaning to the position of celestial objects like stars and planets relative to Earth.
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>>2891 Ultra-based
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>>2891 Could you post the original PDF to that please?
>>3334 I would, but I don't think that particular edition is online. I own a paper copy so what I did was go onto Amazon and search for the parts that I wanted in their book preview to post here. I'll attach another edition / translation of that book though, but I'm not sure about the quality.
>>3188 Zodiacs are real, but also misunderstood by mostly women and liberals.
>>3347 Where does one go for a true understanding?
>>3348 I don't have the PDFs, because I actually bought the solid books, but you can read Evola's Hermetic Tradition.
>>3349 No problem, thanks. Evola's stuff is easy enough to find online at least.
In regards to the germanic pagan religions, has anyone read the Snorres Edda here? I heard it was written in a more raw format before the 'christian' scholars came and translated the poetic and prose eddas.
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>>3323 >>2891 >"As soon as a woman attains the age of puberty, she immediately becomes very much agitated by sexual desire. It is therefore the duty of the father to get his daughter married before she attains puberty. Otherwise she will be very much mortified by not having a husband. Anyone who satisfies her desire for sex at that age becomes a great object of satisfaction. It is a psychological fact that when a woman at the age of puberty meets a man and the man satisfies her sexually, she will love that man for the rest of her life, regardless who he is."
Is there even anyone writing esoteric works like Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano's at this point? I am surprised I am not aware of anyone doing this. I had been considering writing some stuff in the future, but it can hardly be so that no one else has done anything major for decades
>>3687 No, because Devi is just about the only esotericist worth reading, a great portion of it all is worthless, it is not something our ancestors used beyond the most remote of sages. As an example, Serrano directly contradicts too much previous to him, namely in placing upon Hitler the label Ultimate Avatar, he was not Kalki/Vidar Aspect/Avatar of Vishnu/Othinn, and any who follow Serrano's teachings are thus wrong and on a false path from the very beginning, not to mention that he goes too far into Gnosticism and it's false path as well like many other many Esotericists.
>>3760 I have a few minor issues with Savitri Devi, but overall she is very solid and her work is, as far as I'm concerned, necessary reading. I have to admit though, I was entirely unaware of the fact that Serrano equated Hitler with Kalki. It of course is obvious in retrospect ('ultimate avatar') but reading what you said in this post, it just clicked me. That is self-evidently wrong, and it is very unfortunate if he actually preached this.
>>3762 You would be surprised just how few EH get this. There are pages all over telegram who think Hitler was Kalki, one of which actually is called For Kalki, and yes the intent is for Hitler, they actually get kind of testy when you contradict Serrano, and "every other shaman in recent memory", as if every Shaman writes and publishes books, or as if every person claiming to be a Shaman is actually worthy of the title. It's quite childish and ignorant.
>>3765 This seems like such a strange mistake to make. I have the greatest respect for Hitler, and acknowledge the fact that he was almost certainly guided (as he himself believed), but to call him Kalki is an error. Hitler didn't totally smash the forces of the jews and bring about a total Aryan regeneration. He made an extremely valiant attempt, but failed ultimately. And Hitler himself appeared to know that this was destined. As Savitri Devi quoted, Hitler looked for the one to put everything right, but he was unable to find him, so he set out to do the preparatory work. Even his last words were to prepare for the Coming Man. EHs seem to have their hearts in the right place, but they are very misguided it seems. I have even been told that Hitler does not like these people who deify him that might have been you who told me
>>3768 It does, and I have no idea why it has been made, perhaps its the fundamental nature of Esotericism, plumbing supposed mysteries that seem profound but ultimately end up as a giant waste of time and effort. One should, Hitler was a prophet of sorts, but I get the sense that he wasn't just guided but that he was also taking a deity for a ride, and this is one of the major reasons for his health problems which he covered for very well with his ethical calls for vegetarianism, a point on which he was wrong. His doing this, and his actions in general, sped the cycle up greatly, and while the time over which they take can vary and quite greatly, I get the sense that the soul who would be, and currently is, Kalki/Vidar, was not supposed to manifest and activate as an Avatar so soon. There was a potential Avatar around in Hitler's time but that particular manifestation did not activate and was too old in Hitler's time to do as needed, and Hitler never encountered him. that was me
>>3774 >perhaps its the fundamental nature of Esotericism, plumbing supposed mysteries that seem profound but ultimately end up as a giant waste of time and effort. About these EH people, do they combine their doctrines within any personal insight from your experience, i.e. meditative / mystical? My guess would be not, it seems like they just parrot Serrano and instead of looking to realize the truth
>>3777 Some do, some don't. Most do just parrot Serrano, others search through Hitlersa history for coincidences and things to "prove his divinity" like a painting which was completed shortly before his birth that depicted Othinn, and bears more than a passing resemblance to Uncle Adolf, it an interesting coincidence but seems to be just that.
>>3778 It’s certainly an interesting painting that you’ve referred to, especially since it was apparently completed in the year of Hitler’s birth. I’m not sure what to think of it. It’s not impossible to have gotten some sort of foreknowledge of someone coming without them being divine though, is what I would think
>>3780 Hitler was a powerful Shaman,. that much is certain. What I think is most likely is that he was foreseen by another shaman. who was possibly completely unaware of having any ability at all, not being terribly powerful himself, who caught an image of another shaman in a dream or other spiritual experience and thought it fit Odin, these kinds of things used to be well known to happen before the knowledge was lost to most.
A small redpill on the terms polytheism and monotheism from a paper on Zoroastrianism I am reading: >the notions of monotheism, polytheism and dualism are defined not on the basis of Zoroastrianism but on that of other religions, in particular the Judeo–Christian tradition. Denoting the worship of ‘false’ gods in contrast to that of the one God of the jews and Christians, the term ‘polytheism’ has had negative connotations from its earliest attestations onwards. The Greek word πολυθεΐα, from which the term derives, first occurs in the works of Philo of Alexandria (ca. 15 BCE–ca. 50 CE) who uses it polemically in the sense of the ‘idolatry’ practised by non-jewish people, and Jean Bodin borrowed it in his Démonomanie des sorciers, published in 1580. The expression ‘monotheism’ was subsequently coined as its antonym to denote belief in one single god, and is first attested in 1660 in the writings of the English philosopher Henry More in relation to his own religion, Christianity. >Having been defined from the scholarly perspective of the Judeo-Christian tradition since the period of the Enlightenment, the two terms came to constitute a dichotomy of mutually exclusive opposites. Consequently “monotheism” was claimed as the label of the Judeo- Christian tradition and endowed with greater prestige than the “polytheism” attributed to some non-Judeo-Christian religions and perceived as both challenging to and in opposition to monotheism. https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/18346/1/078%202014%20JRAS%2024%20225-249%20Monotheism.pdf It’s been discussed before, but this is just more proof that the dichotomy of monotheism versus polytheism is a false Abrahamic dichotomy. In fact as it says, a jew was the first one to use the term polytheism as a pejorative against the goyim, and monotheism has always referred to the total absolutism of the jewish “God”.
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Am I the only Asatruar who doesn't like Hinduism? I know the vedas were written by Nordics, but the religions based off of the vedas has changed over thousands of years, so it obviously isn't the same as originally written. Am I the only one who feels this way? I feel irritated when Volkish promote hinduism just as much as racialist promote ((christianity)))
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Are there any Asatruars who are creationist, or people who literally believe in norse mythology? I do, I think they're real, the Aesir, and Vanir. I really do believe that Thor is a real god who has a hammer, and can control the weather. I believe in all of the Pantheon. I don't understand the reason why people are so opposed to believe in the mythology/religion. Why do most people just view the Gods as spiritual beings, or references to science, and nature? How can you be religous when you believe they're characters? The Gods don't want you to have this kind of mindset, they want you to believe in them, they want you to worship them. The Gods don't want you to believe modern science, it is a fraud "Evolution" or the "big bang" don't exist, just lies.
>>3873 It's more similar than one would think, but anyone telling you it is 100% corrupted is lying. The Vedas were obviously put into writing by Nordics like you said, but so were other core texts like the 108 primary Upanishads (which are connected to the Vedas), the Ramayana, the Mahabharata and thus the Bhagavad Gita, etc. On top of this solid core over the millennia there have been other degenerate traditions that have become associated with what is known as 'Hinduism' like the Aghori, to name one. It doesn't help that 'Hinduism' today is often associated with bad music and gaudy aesthetics. As soon as Whites lay their hands on it, it turns beautiful of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDd3iupKUyI There is much to learn from Sanatana Dharma, but it is not perfect. >>3875 >I don't understand the reason why people are so opposed to believe in the mythology/religion. Why do most people just view the Gods as spiritual beings, or references to science, and nature? This is a product of the Kali Yuga / Wolf Age / Iron Age. As we get deeper into this age, people sink further and further into a morass of materialism and degeneracy. This has been really speeding up since the beginnining of the so-called Enlightenment, which in reality was the exact opposite of enlightenment. With modern science the lowest level of reality is mistaken for all that exists and matters. All that exists are things, objects, etc. that inexplicably exist. In the past our ancestors were faithful to the gods and spiritual matters because they quite literally interacted with such beings on a regular basis. Maybe not gods, of course, but the world was said to be alive with lesser deities, spirits and beings that were to be propitiated and honored. It is possible that our senses have literally degenerated and prevented us from accessing these higher realities that were once as visible as the computer screen in front of my eyes. One might of course reply that there's no proof for any of this, but I must ask the following then - were our ancestors just schizophrenics making shit up for thousands of years??? - to this I answer firmly "no". Every culture on Earth has believed that the world is alive with personality and superhuman intelligences that can help us or harm us, depending on how we treat them, and depending on the exact nature of the being in question. I refuse to believe that it is 100% symbolism, even if it may be in some limited cases. Another piece of proof is the UFO phenomenon. Anyone who thinks that UFOs are 'space scientists' from different planets is 100% bluepilled at this point. UFOs as we know them have only existed since the late 1940s. It is from this period onwards that we start to see things like 'greys' and 'flying saucers' which are taken to be spaceships. The real redpill here is that these entities, whatever they are, have existed for all of human history in different forms. Prior to the nuclear age, there were mass-sightings of giant airships that could not be identified (particularly in 1897), and of course we see vimanas and other 'flying chariots' in mythology from all over the Indo-European world in particular. Old fairytales too are full of stories of abductions, other dimensions, time dilation and the like. These entities shift forms depending on the circumstances. Prior to industrialism they were fairies and other nature spirits. In the late 19th century they were mysterious airships, and today they are seen to be 'space scientists' that fly around and abduct people and feed people convoluted information about the future and their alleged planets (all of which turns out to be disinfo). UFOs / fairies are best described as interdimensional entities that quite literally live here on Earth or in higher dimensional spaces near Earth. The vast majority of beings who reveal themselves today are demons though (think of Greys and Reptilians)
>>3886 UFO's are man-made aircraft, just hidde from the public. Aliens such as greys, or reptillians do not exist. "Aliens" are being promoted to get ready for the fake alien invasion(project bluebeam). This fake alien invasion will be carried out using flying saucers and holograms. The idea of "aliens" can only exist in the heliocentric model of the world, which was created by the christian church 500 years ago. Heliocentrism is just another one of (((their))) lies that the public has gobbled up, in this age of degeneracy and misinformation. https://youtu.be/aFFM3YJAs4Q https://youtu.be/ZpO5mo0p-zU watch these two videos from top to bottom
>>3898 >UFO's are man-made aircraft, just hidde from the public I can't believe it, honestly. As I mentioned in my previous post, humans have reported similar crafts for literally millennia now, and assuming even a small proportion of the sightings are true and accurate, we're dealing with crafts that are far, far beyond anything possible, and they are quite often reported bringing about physics-defying maneuvers. If you want to read some good books on how this UFO phenomena has many, many parallels in history, I would recommend that you read Richard L. Thompson's "Parallels: Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena" and Jacques Vallee's "Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds". > "Aliens" are being promoted to get ready for the fake alien invasion(project bluebeam). I'd believe it, but it still does not mean that the craft that people report seeing aren't real or aren't made by non-humans (but not necessarily aliens). I see these as mutually compatible with each other. Aliens, as is shown in some of the statements by Reagan, Bush and Clinton and in that first video you liked, would be a great boon for ZOG if they were to come to Earth. Real "aliens" aren't from outer space. Regarding the flat earth video. I did not watch it because I am already well-versed in much of what they say. I've watched a lot of Eric Dubay in my day. I'm not 100% sold on it, but anyone who dismisses it without looking into it at all is being foolish. We're being lied to about something, that's all I'll say.
>>3903 >i'm not 100% sold on it >implying that flat earth has credibility to it in any capacity Okay now this is real schizo tier.
>>3918 My guess for you, if you ever tried to research it at all, is that you fell right into the controlled opposition groups which peddle disinfo (FES, etc). This is very easy to do. The real question is though, is if the Earth is the size they say it is, why we do not observe certain things that should be observed, and why we don't observe certain things they say should be observed. I have never seen some of these satisfactorily answered, which is why I even have skepticism in the first place.
>>3921 You are skeptical that GPS and satellite Internet exists? lmao
>>3918 i see one and only one merit to flat earth: it provides a low-hanging fruit for people to disprove and educate others. however, most people just talk shit to flat-earth retards without knowing the proofs themselves (which has a tendency to reinforce belief in fallacious arguments for flat-earth).
>>3932 This is the worst strategy for taking on a flat earther possible, anon. If the arguments (regardless of merit) are based on personal observations regarding an alleged lack of curvature, the calculated drop of curvature, alleged real physics of water and things relating to the visibility of objects that apparently shouldn’t be visible given the curve of the Earth, shit like how satellites work and what their real nature would be would be completely extraneous to the meat of the issue.
Just to be clear though, I really don’t care too much if it’s flat, spherical, or otherwise. I don’t think that the globe is the greatest trick of the jew that supports everything else. There are much greater issues and lies spread by our enemies. I do think space travel is a meme though. A sort of collective surrogate activity
>>3934 >based on personal observations regarding an alleged lack of curvature, the calculated drop of curvature, alleged real physics of water Let's face it these anons don't have an undergraduate understanding of math and physics. They aren't out there running calculations and reproducing experiments that enlightenment era mathematicians and physcists did. They haven't even flown in an airplane and observed the horizon. They're talking out of their ass. Not to mention the shitload of photos and live video feeds taken from satellites and space probes. Or people that jumped out of a hot air balloon from the edge of our atmosphere. I don't care about convincing them anyways, it's just fun to poke at them and see if they will double down.
>>3939 >They aren't out there running calculations and reproducing experiments that enlightenment era mathematicians and physcists did. I'm pretty sure you don't understand the things they've done either. I'm starting to think there are legit shitlibs on here who think science will make them better or a way to become successful because as long as they shill it.
>>3939 How is it that its just this particular planet that is flat? If you observe other planets through a telescope you will clearly see that they are round. eg Mars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdecDSzLYnE ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjO2APMsDz4 Heres an overview of various planets via a 2020 livestream from a telescope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MwXfXV_GI
>>3942 You're just proving my point. I don't agree with that fact that the Earth or anything is flat retard, but I do know that NASA and the like are hiding information from us, such as the moon landing and the like. Flat-earthers are a controlled opposition along with the idiots who believe that the Scythians were le tribes of Israel. It's the fact that you're stupid enough to listen to go and take fucking jewtube as your source of information. You are indeed a shitlib, and it's time for (You) to fuck off back to reddit.
I think Flat Earth started as a troll, then brainlets/conspiracy theorists/etc took it literally, which brought us to this point. there are basic proofs that the Earth is round: 1. you cannot see the Himalayas. even from a high point with a telescope, it's impossible to see them if you're not in the immediate region. if the earth were flat, you'd expect a massive mountain range ascending to 28,000 ft to be visible. but it's not, due to the curvature of the earth. 2. hemispheric differences in the night sky. certain constellations can only be seen from the north or south, and as you cross the equator, the night sky flips upside down. this should only be true on a round planet.
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I love flat-earthers honestly. I don't think they are controlled opposition, but that doesn't make them right either honestly. There's just something about it that makes normalfags absolutely explode with rage, both online and in real life. The jews have primed them to lash out against anyone who dares question their scientific orthodoxy. The funniest part about it is that anyone who knows the basic arguments for flat-earth shit can troll normalfags with it and absolutely BTFO them because truly they don't even have any proof about the Earth's shape themselves, they just parrot what scientists say and don't really have knowledge, they only have 'epic factoids' from people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. If people can start questioning things like this, they will question other things too. >>3942 >How is it that its just this particular planet that is flat? The Earth, according to the people that I have watch and read over time, say that the Earth is the center of the Universe. It is a unique plane, and not a planet - and they'll point out that etymologically the word planet meant 'wandering star'. It's basically a re-adoption of the classical view of the cosmos where the Earth is a unique entity around which all else moves.
>>3952 >don't think they are controlled opposition, but that doesn't make them right either honestly I think /pol/nigs once had a thread that had so information about how the leaders of flat-earth society were literal kikes and how they were being funded by (((freemasons))) or something. I couldn't archive in time. >There's just something about it that makes normalfags absolutely explode with rage, both online and in real life. The jews have primed them to lash out against anyone who dares question their scientific orthodoxy. And this is the problem I have with some of the anons on this board as well, who think jew science is authentic as long as it comes from a White guy. Forgetting the Abrahamic biases and lies that is even riddled in science itself. The asshurt that comes from normalniggers when someone argues that the Earth is flat is the same type of hostility you see when someone questions or insults an mudslime's faith in Allah.
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>>3956 >the leaders of flat-earth society were literal kikes Now this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I have heard many people say that TFES is controlled opposition that peddles disinfo. And it was founded by a Freemason according to the first link below. Given the fact this is in the top ten results when one looks up 'flat earth' it makes it even more suspect to me. This site has over a dozen threads where shills and controlled opposition people are exposed in multiple threads: https://ifers.123.st/t9-the-flat-earth-society-is-controlled-opposition https://ifers.123.st/f10-flat-earth-shills-trolls-and-controlled-opposition >And this is the problem I have with some of the anons on this board as well, who think jew science is authentic as long as it comes from a White guy. Forgetting the Abrahamic biases and lies that is even riddled in science itself. The asshurt that comes from normalniggers when someone argues that the Earth is flat is the same type of hostility you see when someone questions or insults an mudslime's faith in Allah. Yeah, exactly. The good thing is though that more and more people here on /fascist/ are becoming aware of the nature of modern jewish science, especially when it comes to genetics and the like. I know at one point myself I was a big 'science guy' golem? myself, but then it dawned on me that I was taking literally everything these men said on faith. Like I said in the post above, it wasn't knowledge, it was just knowing cool factoids about shit that other people pumped into my head. As I gradually got redpilled on other matters, the duplicitous nature of modern science regarding race realism, gender and other issues gradually made me become suspicious of the entire thing, and it was the Covid hoax that really sealed the deal for me. I don't really care about the Earth's shape that much, but I do know that it is within the realm of possibility that the jews could be lying to the population about much more than we could ever imagine. I have a theory that modern science is explicitly designed to control, demoralize and undermine the foundations of organic human communities, especially White ones. With religion discredited (or so they say), the lemmings bow down to the scientists who control them.
>>3956 >Forgetting the Abrahamic biases and lies that is even riddled in science itself Ironic for you to say this, because science is not only thing that contains Abrahamic lies and biases, but flat-earth of itself, I believe is something that only exists within Abrahamic circles and not Dharmaic or pagan.
>>3960 The belief of flat-earth goes all the way back to Ancient Greece, although they more-so believed that the Earth was something of a giant disc. I think Hinduism had something similar as well.
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>>3960 >flat-earth of itself, I believe is something that only exists within Abrahamic circles and not Dharmaic or pagan. Not entirely true. Thales of Miletus believed that the Earth was flat. And far from being just a philosopher disconnected with spiritual matters, Thales is of course famous for his statement that the entire universe is shot through with soul, and that all things were full of gods. Anaxagoras too believed in a flat earth, and was a proponent of the theory that an infinite Mind was the governing and initiating principle of the cosmos. There was also Anaximander, who said that the Earth was cylindrical and flat, three times wider than it was deep. Anaximander posited that the first principle of all things was the Apeiron (the Boundless or Infinite). Anaximenes had a very similar view to Anaximander. Now with Hinduism, it certainly seems like they're positing a flat-earth, but I've also seen arguments from people online that they believed in a globe all along and even had fairly accurate measurements, but with some of the Puranic descriptions of the cosmos that I have read, those with the bhūmaṇḍala, that divides this plane into seven concentric rings, with our earth only existing in the smallest center ring Jambudvipa. Dr. Richard L. Thompson tries to explain that the Vedic universe is describing higher dimensional realities that can accessed by sages in order to reconcile what may be seen as absurd to modern eyes
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>>3943 You don't need NASA to look at Mars with your own telescope. There's also tons of private satellite and telescope imagery that has nothing to do with NASA, including the videos the other anon linked. Or are you claiming those amateur astronomy videos are invalid because they were uploaded to jewtube? >>3956 Sounds like you just have a grudge against anything that can be in any way linked to the word science. Is basic trigonometry science? Are spheres science? Is looking at the horizon science? Is jumping out of a parachute science? Questioning everything is one thing, being a low informaton contrarian is another.
>>3973 I believe that that anon is not really talking about stuff like geometry and math (and that anon should feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), but rather the forms of science that are more inaccessible to the average person such as various things relating to space, genetics and the like. When it comes to these, we are entirely reliant on having faith in what jews at Harvard, NASA and other organizations have to say on the matter. It's next to impossible to verify any of it. I'm not really talking about the shape of the Earth at all here, but rather things like the way the universe came into being, the genetic history of our people, the question of consciousness, etc.
>>3973 >You don't need NASA to look at Mars with your own telescope. Then maybe you should used your own telescope and not sources from jewtube dumbass. Use something that comes from yourself, also you're again missing the point, but no surprise the retarded never understands. >Sounds like you just have a grudge against anything that can be in any way linked to the word science Thanks for confirming that you are indeed redditor who lost his way on here. Nothing you said was what I was attacking and denying retardo, it's the fact that you took information from (((modern scientist))) as fact, even though it's well aware that they are hacks and liars and love to rearrange truths and make shit completely up like their masters tell them to do. I also like how you didn't answer my question concerning enlightenment scientists, proving my point once again. >Questioning everything is one thing, being a low informaton contrarian is another >Informaron >Contrarian Well at least we know it is you who lacks information. :^) Also I doubt you understand any of the things you listed. Again my point here isn't that science is all lies, just that I remain skeptical and the question the issue with modern science and science especially science during the enlightenment era where kikes and secret societies thrived. Although your shitty spelling is a sign of why you're sperging out like a jew when some denies (((science))). Never have I implied that math is fake, but cool that you are arguing in a similar fashion that shitlibs do lol.
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>>3975 >but rather the forms of science that are more inaccessible to the average person such as various things relating to space, genetics and the like Yes this is true. Although I'm only talking about whether the earth is flat or not. For that there is no reliance on NASA. It's all easily verifiable using basic math and observation of real life with your own eyes. Look at the sea or out of an airplane and you will see the curvature of the horizon. >> 3979 >you missed an "i" key, BTFO Yes I understand enough trigonometry and geometry to work with it. It's not an especially high bar. Why do act like it's unobtainable? And why do you suppose anons have never looked at a planet through a telescope themselves? I'm talking about specifics while you are stuck on rhetoric. If you're going to accuse everyone of being jewish, might as well turn it back on yourself. Because rhetoric is at least as jewish as science.
>>3980 > Look at the sea or out of an airplane and you will see the curvature of the horizon. I don't know, this doesn't reflect my experience, especially with airplanes.
>>500 >We have other reports from other groups out near the Volga how they sacrificed a young slave girl for a chief's funeral. One could just dismiss the report because it is from a Muslim, but even he reports that the girl volunteered to die. Here's the book.
>>4061 The girl volunteered? I see. Forcing people to be sacrificed is just horrible.
>>4086 Not unless they're criminals and kikes. I imagine that slavery was sometimes voluntary or some slaves grew to love their masters.
>>4087 >I imagine that slavery was sometimes voluntary or some slaves grew to love their masters. This sentence was meant for >>4061
>>4087 Slavery was definitely somewhat different in ancient Europe than from what most people today think of when they hear the word slavery (i.e. chattel slavery). Most people today literally live in less free and worse conditions than pre-modern slaves as well, so it is ironic to hear slavery condemned in such emotional and self-righteous terms by people today. Aristotle even describes the harmonious master-slave relationship as one that is mutually beneficial for both parties. Throughout history though, it seems like the foremost gods of the Aryan peoples did not care too much for human blood sacrifices. We can only speculate why, but it seems like for millennia what they were appeased and satisfied by were the sacrifice of animals like bulls, oxen, sheep, goats and the like. Celtic people are one counterexample, as are a few scattered examples from various other cultures and myths. Any other types of human sacrifice seem to have to do with beliefs about the afterlife rather than gods demanding blood. Whatever the Aztecs were communing with was quite different from the Aryans
>>4089 >Aristotle even describes the harmonious master-slave relationship as one that is mutually beneficial for both parties. Buddhists hold this view as well. Slavery as a form of commerce and pleasure was not only banned, but discouraged and considered to be adharmic. The way Romans handled slavery can definitely be seen as something non-Aryan and West Asian-like. >Whatever the Aztecs were communing with was quite different from the Aryans I think their religion was corrupted by some sort of death-cult and false teachings. What from I heard the Aztecs may have not always had mass sarcifices of their own kin.
>>4168 Aristotle was also very clear that the only true slaves are those who are slaves by nature. He compared to the master to the mind and the slave to the body in the way their relationship ideally worked. The body is nothing without the mind, and is completely governed by it. Slaves have little to no access to reason, and are closer to animals, and therefore lower in the Great Chain of Being. Every form of Dharmic slavery will, I imagine, be rather similar. It’s interesting to hear what you said about Buddhists too because we often get some watered-down hippie interpretations here in the West. With Hindus we of course have the same organic view of the master-slave relationship as Aristotle. The śudra is quite literally meant to serve their upper caste masters. >I think their religion was corrupted by some sort of death-cult and false teachings. Certainly something sinister happened. It’s worth pointing out that when Whites showed up the neighbors of the Aztecs instantly joined up with them to subjugate the Aztecs. Worth noting too that these guys were using loads of entheogens like salvia divinorum. Apparently entity encounters can occur with this drug similarly to DMT. >spend all day consuming drugs >low-vibration entities appear and tell you to start doing blood sacrifices constantly or the sun will burn out >they fall for it It’s pretty funny if this is true too, because anyone who isn’t a complete naive retard can discern some unclean spirit is manifesting and trying to trick you.
>>3980 Why do you ask so many stupid questions? > And why do you suppose anons have never looked at a planet through a telescope themselves Never implied this you imbecile, also you're missing my point. Anons on imageboards have always been autistic enough to prove a point especially if it's on a topic that they are an expert on. You went to jewtube linked a bunch of stupid shit coming from kikes. People like you are so annoying and you clearly show that you are indeed a shitlib or former shitlib considering you are acting just like one with the stupid questions and asshurt when someone questions science.
How well do Asatruars, and other people who practice european polytheistic faiths, know their gods, and goddesses? In norse mythology alone there are more then 70 different gods, and goddesses, so it goes pretty deep.
How can Aryan religion take place in overseas post-Christian territories like America or Australia?
>>4232 Are you asking how the spread of Aryan will spread in places like post-Christian territories such as America or Australia or are you asking how it is even possible that this can happen outside of Europe? Maybe I am reading into your post too much
>>4234 I think he meant >how do pagan in burger and straya if no blood n soil???
>>4255 The problem in America and elsewhere is that we're being preventing from rooting into the soil. What was once not our soil, can easily over the generations become our soil. All it takes is a close relationship with the land, and generations of a group living on it, not moving around much. Through doing this, blood and soil could be a reality in America, Australia or anywhere else where Whites have attempted to put down roots. We would be well-rooted by this point if it was not for urbanization, suburbanization, anti-natural lifestyles, Abrahamic religions and industrialization. This has uprooted us, and modern lifestyles have kept us further away from the soil than ever, in a sort of artificial bubble world where one can hardly tell the difference between living in one place or another thousands of miles away. Indo-Europeans of course moved around millennia ago and rooted themselves in new soil, and were quite successful. Today we have all of the factors I mentioned above, plus White Genocide which prevents all of this.
What relationship does Shamanism / Animism have with Paganism? Are they one and the same?
>>4300 Truthfully we really don't know what the ancestors believed on this front, but i get the feeling that being that our beliefs evolved from and through both of those that they were still part of our practice, and probably still many who practiced that, but nobody really knows for anything beyond Roman Paganism which describes a very deep and very animistic belief set prior to christianity, one can only assume the same was true of everyone else.
>>4513 It is sort of my theory that the top-level castes of Indo-European societies, such as Druids, Brahmanas, etc. are sort of institutionalizations of the Shamanic role. Shamans of course are those who are in touch with the spiritual dimensions of life and enter into altered states of consciousness in order to commune with the gods, the ancestors, spirits in the world around them and in order to gain knowledge. The top-level castes have always been associated with various sorts of asceticism and closer contact to the spiritual, so I do not think that it would be too much of a stretch to link one with the other, with the priestly caste being seen as the apex of the Shamanic role, or the Shaman being seen as a lower form of the Aryan priestly role depending on how we see it. I think various types of seeresses could easily be included under this designation, as they were certainly part of our ancient tradition - just think of the oracle at Delphi for example. I guess if we were to view animism as a type of worldview that is suffused with consciousness and meaning, and the so-called supernatural, paganism in many senses is indeed close to animism in some respects. The modern world-view is in fact much different in the sense that it de-subjectifies Nature and turns it more into a "thing" rather than something alive. Just material to exploit to the kiked materialist mind.
>>4516 Druids were quite literally Shamans, they had little in the way of centralization, it is unlikely they were terribly organized, but you are otherwise correct except that Shamans and Priests would be seen as one and the same, I would differ in that I believe Shamans to be particularly talented and insightful priests with an easier time getting in contact with the gods and a good amount of natural magical power but these abilities vary, there are many Shamans, but few who would be worthy of being a High Priest and even less who could be an Avatar. Look into Volva's, they are the Germanic/Celtic seeresses, I have recently discovered through meditation that Boudicca was a powerful one, and that is why she ended up a leader of men when her life path was interrupted by the Romans.
>>4518 Yeah as far as I understand it Druids may have had some degree of loose organization among themselves and connection to the larger society, but they were definitely not ‘centralized’ or anything, that is for sure. In many ways I think you are right about the difference between a *true* priest and a shaman being very small if not non-existent. Nearly all of those who call themselves “priests” today have no connections with higher realities or states of consciousness as did true shamanic / priestly figures in antiquity, if they were worth their salt. Völvas are another good example. I couldn’t think of the term in my earlier post. I could only think of seiðr, which is itself not far disconnected from some of this.
>>4518 >, I have recently discovered through meditation Are there other answers you can discover through meditation?
>>4521 Many, many, answers, you may not always get what you desire or are asking for though, it's not an exact science. and you have to be careful, especially if you have latent or active shamanic abilities, you can and will encounter entities with ill intent.
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Speaking of shamans and meditation, drum trances are worth experimenting with as well. It's gotta be a somewhat slow, sort of monotonous drumbeat. I have only done it a few times, and after a good deal of time doing it I got the sensation of the beat itself sort of fading into the background, and a sort of "music behind the music" coming to be heard. Nothing mind-blowing, but it was a sort of a similarly monotonous, ascending, high-pitched series of five or six sounds or notes that sounded musical, much like chimes. I don't know how crazy that can get but I can imagine it hitting spirit journey levels if you dedicated enough to it.
Is Zoroastrianism an Aryan religion? If not, what living religion, not counting reconstructions, would you say is closest to ancient Aryan paganism?
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>>4780 Zoroastrianism is definitely an Aryan religion. One thing that Zoroastrianism does is to really focus on the duality between Truth and the Lie, i.e. the Natural Order, and its opposite. Asha versus Druj. Man is endowed with free will to choose between Truth and the Lie. And to follow Truth one must have Good Thoughts, Good Words and Good Deeds. Asha is equivalent to Ṛta in the Vedic tradition. The conception of Ahura Mazda as the supreme deity isn't too radically new either, despite what one may have thought. Already in Vedic times we see affirmations of a supreme deity worshiped alongside the other gods. There is evidence also that there was some sort of tripartite caste system evidenced also in other Indo-European societies - āθravan- (priests), raθaēštar- (warriors) and vāstriia- fšuiiant- (pastoralists, etc). >If not, what living religion, not counting reconstructions, would you say is closest to ancient Aryan paganism? Some Vaishnava Hindu traditions, also aspects the religion of the Kalash people in Pakistan (basically an archaic version of Hinduism still surviving to this day).
>>4780 >Is Zoroastrianism an Aryan religion? Yes. I mean it was the religion of THE Aryans that inhabited Eastern Iran after all. It is however, a religious reformation of the original Indo-Iranic religion and belief system, which was way closer to Vedic Hinduism and Proto-Indo-European religion. Originally, Indic and native Aryan deities with demonized, as Daeva, and were called by Zoroaster as deserving no worship, and instead placing worship in Ahura Mazda and the Amesha Spenta. Later down the road, the Yazata, Gods from the previous Indo-Iranic religion were incorporated into Zoroastranism, like Mithra, Verenthragna, and Apam Napat. Zoroastranism is a unique case. It holds elements directly from the original PIE religion, perhaps even the most untainted form of it, but also has a unique doctrine and belief system with Ahura Mazda. With all that though, I love reading through the Avesta. >would you say is closest to ancient Aryan paganism? Vedic Hinduism or Zoroastrianism. The Vedas are much more recorded and wayyy older though and are a better place to start if you want the core liturgy of ancient Aryan worship. Read the Vedas as fundamentals, than graduate yourself into the Avesta than into other texts like the Bhagavad Gita.
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A good video on the benefits of celibacy, semen retention, the dangers of illicit sex, masturbation, porn, etc. Good motivation in my opinion. The talk itself is about an hour the rest is questions related to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPDPj5Btsw
What is the general theology of non-Aryans in pagan thought? What I have gathered is that all of Nature is arranged in a hierarchy. Among humans there are four castes - priests with dominion over the spiritual, warriors with dominion over temporal power, merchants / tradesman being involved in economic areas, and finally slaves / servants existing for the service of the three Aryan castes. This hierarchy is mirrored among the gods as well. The question is how do non-Whites fit into this. Are they servants to Whites by nature? The question arises mainly because it seems like non-Whites have historically mirrored the social structure of Aryan societies in some way by having their own priests, warriors, etc. Are these just to be viewed as approximations of the real order of Nature and that relative to Aryans they are all slave caste? Or are they outside of the system all together? Worth noting that too that in the Laws of Manu it clearly shows that Aryans can lose their caste for degeneracy or race-mixing.
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>>3760 >>3762 >>3765 >>3768 >>3774 >>3778 People who are literally deifying Hitler are making a mistake. Hitler was absolutely a man, but one who abided so deeply in cosmic consciousness that he was like a window unto God. All his thoughts and actions were direct reflections of the Laws of Nature. He was literally enlightened, and it might be easy to mistake him as a pure avatar, but he was not. Hitler lived in spiritual perfection and was literally an instrument of the divine on Earth. The prophet idea floated by the one anon is a very good way to put it. This is a crucial distinction to make, really. If people mistake Hitler to be a deity, they will not realize that they themselves can reach Hitler's level of attainment in consciousness even if they will never be as great as him.
>>5164 How can shitskins be in a religion to boost their morale when Christian Aryanism says that non-Whites aren't even human?
>>5454 No one is talking about CI faggots
>>5454 >Christian Aryanism Not only does that not exist, but more importantly the stupid thing you said that made laugh here >says that non-Whites aren't even human? any form or sect of christianity that isn't some made-up LARP or cult, does not talk of other races being inferior to Aryans. In fact it barely talks of race at all and does not acknowledge that men are different by nature. Their entire viewpoint is that race is either non-existent or exists but it does not matter when it comes to spirituality, because of their jaded logic that every man who believes and carries both Jesus' and Yahweh's will are all equal no matter their background , or ethnicity or race. The closet thing to an Aryan form of christianity was Gnosticism and Positive Christianity. I've never seen a single text from the bible or anything written text comes from Abrahamists or Abraham himself that shits on non-Aryans, so I'm guessing you're just a dumb shill.
>>5473 >Not only does that not exist, Sadly it does, I am not certain where it originates but I do know of several communities on telegram who call themselves that, and literally shill their basically CI retardery as continuing Hitlers work with Positive Christianity, which is something he even regretted while he was still alive. one of the people who shill it is a Catholic Streetshitter, not sure how that makes sense but it is what it is.
>>5474 >one of the people who shill it is a Catholic Streetshitter, not sure how that makes sense but it is what it is. Is this another one of these streetshitters who think themselves Aryan due to being related to some actual Whites in Asia over two thousand years ago? This type of CI shit really needs to be countered by a rigorous form of paganism that is extremely hard on race and is authentic to the spirit of ancient pagan beliefs. The only problem is getting it traction.
>>5475 In the case of the one I am talking about, yeah, at least partially. There are those of us who are trying, but there are many problems inherent in doing so, and not the least of which is the many valid paths one can take in spirituality.
>>5475 >>5474 The nature of the eternal Dharma has to be intuited, crucially. There are many things which ought to be indisputable, namely that all of existence, material and spiritual is arranged in a vast hierarchy, stretching down from absolute Being at the apex, to the gods, to other spirits, to Aryans, to non-Aryans, to animals, to plants, to inorganic matter, etc. The lower exists for the higher, though crucially there are mutual obligations which ensure a harmonious interplay, whether between man and Nature, animals and man, woman and man, man and the gods, etc. The lower do not exist for brute exploitation and the greed of the higher. This is the problem of modernity. When one group or individual oversteps the Dharma there is often mutual ruin, especially in the long-run. Don’t think this is kumbayah though, non-Aryans have reached pest status. They need to be beaten back to where they belong and put back in their natural place in the cosmic hierarchy. jews are Adharma personified and will be removed as well. Next is the cycle of the ages. To not recognize this would be insane at this point, I think. What really needs worked out and discovered is morality and ethics, but even that is not hard. Natural Law in many matters is quite obvious and intuitive to those who seek. There are many valid paths to the top of the mountain, but there is indeed a superior and fastest path. It would not mean that all of the rest are automatically wrong and evil. This sort of jewish thinking ought to be laughed at The main thing to look out for is keeping atheists out. Fuck them.
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THE IMPORTANCE OF SACRIFICING TO THE GODS Bhagavad Gita 3:10-12 >When Prajapati brought forth life, he brought forth sacrifice as well, saying, "By this you may produce, may this be your wish-fulfilling cow." >Nourish the gods with sacrifice, and they will nourish you as well. By nourishing each other, you will realize the highest good. >Nourished by sacrifice, the gods will give you the pleasures you desire. One who enjoys such gifts without repaying them is just a thief. What we see here is a classic instance of the principle of 'do ut des', i.e. "I give so that you will give in return". This is the principle that sacrifice to the gods is founded on. In it we can see reciprocity and cooperation between humans and higher beings such as the gods. Both parties benefit from a properly-performed sacrifice. All around the world, it is acknowledged that the gods quite literally are nourished by sacrifice. The blood of an animal, the offering of certain sorts of food or drinks into the fire, and the like, is transmuted into subtle energies that are consumed by the deity. Some examples from around the world, drawn from Bruce Trigger's 'Understanding Early Civilizations': >The Maya believed that the gods depended on human beings to care for and nature them and to renew their powers. The Maya's principle cosmic task was to keep the supernatural realm working by nourishing the gods. This was construed as part of a contractual obligation between human beings and the gods in which each side provided the other with the divine power that they required to survive. >Throughout Mesopotamia, sacrifice was regarded as a form of debt repayment, which humans returning to the gods the cosmic energy that the gods had expended to provide them with food, make them fertile, and enable humanity to endure >The Shang and Western Zhou Chinese offered sacrifices to sustain nature deities and the souls of their dead ancestors. Deities depended on these offerings to maintain their strength, and powerful deities required more sacrifices than minor ones. >The Inka regarded sacrifice as the principle focus of religion. Its function was to nourish the gods. [...] Religious sacrifices ensured the continuing circulation of life-giving supernatural energy through the universe. This is only a few examples of many. We also read about sacrifice in Hesiod's Theogony, and how Zeus is tricked into choosing the bones wrapped in fat as the divine share of the sacrifice, setting a precedent for future sacrifices. Here is a description of Aryan sacrifice as described in William Malandra's 'An Introduction to Ancient Iranian Religion': >the fundamental concept of Aryan worship is that one invites the desired deities as highly honored guests to a meal in their honor. A meal for an honored guest required more than the simple provision of food. It was necessary to welcome the guest, to offer him refresh-ment after his long journey, to provide him a soft seat, to entertain him with poetry and music, and, of course, to provide him with a fitting meal [...] If properly treated, a guest was under a particular obligation to return the host's favor through a gift. It is clear, then, that the goal of the sacrifice was the reception of the deity's gift, the entire ceremony implying a quid pro quo arrangement often summarized by the Latin phrase do ut des 'I give in order that you may give'. Although it is true that, outwardly, the sacrifice took the form of the rites of hospitality, which involved the exchange of gifts, one should not get the impression that the ceremony was viewed simply in terms of an everyday business transaction. It was also a time when the gods came down to earth and stayed among men, an occasion for men to sit in the presence of the gods. To lose sight of this important spiritual dimension is to reduce the very focal point of the religion to a crass material exchange. So clearly sacrifice is something important, but what is the best way to practice it? Does anyone have any good links or recommendations? How does one know what god to sacrifice to? Do certain gods prefer certain offerings? For example the gods of Greece and other Aryan civilizations most of the time seemed to be satisfied with fat and the blood of animals. Agricultural offerings were also clearly accepted as well, as were libations. On the other hand we see very bloodthirsty gods in other cultures, who demand humans. They seem to have different tastes.
>>5451 We venerate Hitler's Genius, his guiding spirit so to speak, which was undoubtably Verethragna-Herakles.
>>5594 That is a good way to put it concerning Hiter. Verethragna is also a perfect example of a Aryan god. Nearly all of the Zoroastrian deities have Yashts akin to Verethragna's, such as Mithra and Rashnu, which I quote from below: >We worship Ahura-created Wərəthraghna, who destroys the battle lines, who cuts the battle lines, who tramples the battle lines, who throws the battle lines into confusion; Ahura-created Wərəthraghna completely destroys the battle lines, he completely cuts the battle lines,he completely tramples the battle lines, he completely throws into confusion the battle lines of daewas and men, of sorcerers and witches, of tyrants, kawis, and karapans How different this is from Semitic gods!
>>5625 Can you repeat that in a non-faggy degenerate way please?
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>>5631 I'll attempt to do it for him: "Based, but wannabe pagan posers need to reform themselves before Thor descends from Valhalla and smites the Wiccans and New Agers"
Are there any similarities between the Germanic/Slavic gods and Iranian/ Zoroastrian gods that other Indo-European religions do not have or lack. >>5625 Your entire sentence is cringe.
>>5639 The term 'ahura' used for a class of Iranian deities (of course cognate with the Vedic 'asura') has been linked with the Germanic term for a well-known race of gods, i.e. the Æsir (singular is Áss). There is a related proto-Germanic form *ansuz, which gave us a word in Old English 'ōs' meaning 'god', which we can still see hidden today in names such as Oscar meaning 'spear of the gods / God', and Oswald 'power of the gods / God'. To see the connection between *ansuz and ahura / asura is a bit difficult at first, but if we see that the Proto-Indo-Iranian form has been reconstructed as *Hásuras, linked further to a Proto-Indo-European *h₂ḿ̥suros, which is linked to the *h₂ems- we can start to see that they share the exact same root. In general though, the Iranian religion has the most similiarities with the Vedic religion, but as with all Aryan religions, there are certainly many commonalities at play between Germanic religions and Iranian/Zoroastrian ones, but any sort of unique similarities showed between no others I am not aware of.
>>5639 >Germanic/Slavic gods and Iranian/ Zoroastrian gods that other Indo-European religions do not have or lack The one thing that Zoroastranism and Nordic religion have one thing in common is the constant use Ahura/Aesir/Ansuz as a denomination for divinity- those words stemming from: > Proto-Indo-European *h₂énsus (gen. h₂n̥sóus) "life force" Germanic pagans would commonly use the title "Asa" to make note of great Gods, just like how Iranics and Aryans would use Ahura/Asura. Such as, >Asa Thor >Asa Odin >Ahura Mazda >Asura Varuna Nordic and Indo-Iranic theology and etymology is interesting because most other IE religions use Dyu- derived roots, like Deva, Deus, Dei, Deivas. Another note is that Slavics use the word "Bog" as their equivalent for the English word "God", which is derived from the Iranic word "Baga" meaning lord.
Also if you ever see a pajeet nigger complaining how "HURRR ARYAN INVASION THEORY IS FAKE" Tell him that the oldest recorded Vedic Gods were discovered in the Mitanni Treaties between the Hitties in Eastern Anatolia/Syria.
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>>5641 >Another note is that Slavics use the word "Bog" as their equivalent for the English word "God", which is derived from the Iranic word "Baga" meaning lord. Worth noting too that Sanskrit would use a similar term 'bhága' apparently to refer to gods occasionally. Or perhaps most interestingly, the term Bhagavān is used to refer to Vishnu in Hinduism, and is usually translated as 'Lord' as well, it literally means like 'full of bhaga', i.e. full of majesty, potency, excellence >>5642 They act like this would even get them out of the race issue in India. If the Out-of-India theory was proven true somehow, I would just conclude that White Aryans by-and-large originated from area of modern day India, Pakistan, Iran and the like and spread out from there, and only became mudded up later.
>>5590 >So clearly sacrifice is something important, but what is the best way to practice it? Does anyone have any good links or recommendations? the focus is on Hellenic worship, but it's written by a young lady who's very knowledgeable on these matters, and should be generally useful: https://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.html more info: http://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/p/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.html >>5639 that must be a cuckchanner.
>>5656 I appreciate the links, the information in the article about sacrifice and a few others that I perused was very informative, better than some of the blogs around for sure. It's sad that the owner of this blog seems to be a lesbian though. Unfortunate.
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>>5658 she has incompatibilities with /fascist/ for sure, but she's still one of the better sources out there. for a scholarly book on this, I'd recommend Gilbert Murray's Five Stages of Greek Religion https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/fsgr/index.htm it includes the Treatise of Sallustius, an associate of Julian the Apostate who wrote a summary & defense of paganism, largely in response to Early Christianity: https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/fsgr/fsgr10.htm the Treatise is not a long read, I'd recommend that if nothing else.
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>>5667 Yeah I only came across that fact on accident about her when looking around the blog, and only after reading a few articles that I found to be solid. For example it was interesting to read how she mentioned the position of women in Greek pagan society, and even the fact that they were often veiled in public, which is something that is a lesser-known fact. So it definitely does not discredit the blog in whole. I think the most interesting part of Sallustius' treatise here that I've seen so far is that part where he talks about the five species of myths. This reminds me of the way that early Christians allegedly had four ways of interpreting verses in the Bible, only one of them being literal. This is an extremely underrated way of looking at things in modernity. I think many of the more intellectual of our ancestors would laugh us out of the room if we failed to read the subtexts and true purports of some myths and legends. It's of course important to make clear of course that when we say this, we're not denying a literal component as well. I detest "pagans" who force the traditions of our ancestors solely into a sort of big metaphor with zero reality behind it.
>>5643 >Worth noting too that Sanskrit would use a similar term 'bhága' Would make sense, as Indo-Aryans derived from Proto-Indo-Iranics from Bactria.
>>5676 yes indeed. literalism is just one interpretation, there's also different levels of metaphor and meaning between the lines. this sort of balanced approach is very different from pilpul, and from postmodernist 'deconstruction', which may be related to the former. the most interesting point to me is how it describes evil as a form of negation. this is consistent with Tolkien's idea that evil cannot create or be original, only corrupt and degrade what already is. it also refutes the Judeo-Christian idea of eschatology/end times.
>>5693 Yeah, I'd argue that this sort of thing is definitely very different from pilpul and deconstruction (which surely linked, I'd say). For one, the person engaging in this sort of fivefold interpretation or any similar method isn't trying to tear apart the entire myth and psychoanalyze the whole thing, or to spin up readings that are just completely unrelated to the meaning that anyone with honest intentions would read out of it if they were trying to contemplate it at deeper levels. Typically myself I look for literal, symbolic, allegorical, metaphorical and spiritual meanings in the myths. This doesn't line up identically with Sallustius' five, but doing this sort of hermeneutics is in general very important for pagans to be doing if they want to counter Abrahamics. Unfortunately we already have a big enough problem even getting these people to think that we are serious in what we say, that is why I always try to be very forceful on some of the literal aspects, but beyond that we must be able to properly interpret these texts in the manner of our ancestors. And that is definitely one of the better ways to describe evil. The good, in my mind, can be viewed that which is in harmony with Natural Law. That which is evil is dissonance with these principles. An error more than anything. The term for the word 'sin' in ancient Greek is 'hamártēma', which is apparently derived from a verb meaning 'to miss, fail, be deprived of, fail to do, sin', which seems to accord with this basic idea of missing the mark, acting in discordance, the privation of the good.
>>9 >>19 I haven't read any book about pagnism yet, can someone give me retard frienly list on slavic paganism(I know ther isn't much).
>>5806 Unfortunately Slavic paganism is a bit more fragmentary at the level of surviving texts. I am not sure of anything that I can recommend you that is akin to the Eddas or Bhagavad Gita, to give two examples. I don't want to leave you hanging though, so here >>438 is an academic study of modern day Rodnovery / Slavic paganism that is somewhat informative, even if not spiritually fulfilling at all in the sense that people here are likely concerned with. I think the best bet, barring suggestions from anons, is to look into Slavic mythology and Slavic folk traditions. I have attached a book which discusses some of this in the second half. There's some discussion of how the ancient Slavs apparently cremated their dead, household spirits such as domovoys, fairy-like beings such as vilas, and of course the major gods such as Svarog, Dažbog, Perun, etc.
I think this quote from Hitler's Table Talk sums up how I feel about a return to paganism: >It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to re-establish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. Of course, it also says >In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together which I disagree with. I think there should be a fusion of the two, in the way that Islam could be seen as national socialism for Arabs.
>>6005 I can’t help but think his logic is wrong here. Christianity was instituted from the top-down in Europe, as it was in most places after the initial spread. Basically, the king’s wife converted, and the king converted soon after. After the king converted, the king forced everyone to be baptised or they would risk his displeasure. One good example of this is in the Russian Primary Chronicle, and it happened all throughout Europe. If we adopt the view that everything that dies is in some way deserving of its death, we will end up in many unsavory positions. Cultural Marxism is being pushed in the same way today as Christianity was back then. I would argue that the mythology of the Germanic people (not to mention other European people’s) is far more in tune with the sentiments of European ethnic groups, and indeed far more in tune with the nature of reality than the corrupted Abrahamic worldview, as hard as this may be to see at first since we are blinded by materialism today. >In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together I definitely think the analysis that they are in a sense aspects of one and the same thing are the most accurate. This is why so many people like Savitri Devi saw that the Third Reich in a sense was the rebirth of the pagan spirit in Europe. Maybe not fully reborn, but well on its way.
>>6007 >I would argue that the mythology of the Germanic people (not to mention other European people’s) is far more in tune with the sentiments of European ethnic groups, and indeed far more in tune with the nature of reality than the corrupted Abrahamic worldview I would agree with you on that, at least for Germanic people, but it's not so much that Abrahamism deserved to replace Germanic paganism as much as Germanic paganism was doomed to be replaced by something, just as a frail old king is usurped (or allows his wife to dictate spiritual matters). >This is why so many people like Savitri Devi saw that the Third Reich in a sense was the rebirth of the pagan spirit in Europe. Maybe not fully reborn, but well on its way. A religion seems to be emerging much the same way Christianity did. Just as the epistles and gospels were written decades after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus (assuming he lived at all), religious writings about Hitler and the Aryan race have been and are being written (including Devi), and there have been martyrs, such as GLR, and even tongue-in-cheek "saints." There is the famous quote of Hitler's spirit rising again. Religious national socialism (not necessarily esoteric Hitlerism) is needed.
>>5809 Thanks, Also, I know about the book of veles, but it's validity is questionable.
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>>6009 >it's not so much that Abrahamism deserved to replace Germanic paganism as much as Germanic paganism was doomed to be replaced by something, just as a frail old king is usurped (or allows his wife to dictate spiritual matters). Ah, I see now. I guess the question would be if Germanic paganism (or any equivalent tradition in Europe was truly frail at the point when Christianity arrived. It seems more like a product of corrupt kings pursuing their short-term political interests more than anything. I have my doubts personally, but I guess it doesn't ultimately matter. >A religion seems to be emerging much the same way Christianity did. Just as the epistles and gospels were written decades after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus (assuming he lived at all), religious writings about Hitler and the Aryan race have been and are being written (including Devi), and there have been martyrs, such as GLR, and even tongue-in-cheek "saints." There is the famous quote of Hitler's spirit rising again. Religious national socialism (not necessarily esoteric Hitlerism) is needed. I totally agree. This isn't even that far-fetched, to be quite honest. Hitler is the personification of the antithesis of the current clownworld. He is the one figure who can be reviled, cursed and slandered with abandon. He is the greatest martyr of them all. Hitler is uniquely powerful. A video like the one I have attached can make me feel like tearing up. And many have said the same thing. Hitler and what he taught are a beacon of hope to Aryans everywhere among a world of degeneracy. It took Christianity centuries to reach power after being persecuted intensely, and the same is entirely possible for National Socialism in its highest form, though I hope it will be here sooner than later. The symbolism of the Swastika, the use of runes, the esoteric interests of those around him, the expeditions to places like Tibet, etc. - there is too much going on here to an extent that anyone who views NS as solely political is deeply astray. I don't think Esoteric Hitlerism is quite right, but there was certainly something special going on with Hitler. Just think of the Rienzi experience, etc. Ultimately he must be followed, and not set on a pedestal, though.
National Socialism is the Western manifestation of Dharma. The ideal of righteous order through the high spiritual caste/race over the lesser.
>6050 Exactly. This makes me wonder again about one of Hitler’s Table Talk quotes though posted here >>6005. If National Socialism is indeed what you say it is, one may wonder if it can be truly called a religion in the modern denominational sense. Perhaps the more accurate way to see it would be as a reflection of the eternal Natural Order / Dharma. This is suprareligious in the sense that it exists independently of anything humans believe or do. Meanwhile all Abrahamic religions in the truest sense of the term are dependent on historical contingencies and are founded *in time* by humans. National Socialism was nothing new, indeed it is as old as Nature itself. It’s suprareligious and thus transdenominational. Anyone or any group who completely spurns the eternal Laws of Nature will perish and degenerate. It’s principles are completely objective
https://sabazius.oto-usa.org/ Just found this site. Seems to have connections to Ordo Templi Orientis and Hermeticism.
>>6113 I can't imagine ever following something like this, it seems to be some sort of Freemason-esque cult founded on Thelema and all that entails. If you look through their site too they claim that the Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley are all "saints" of the same category. It's absurd
>>6052 Worth noting in comparison that many Shintoists back in the early Meiji period did not even view Shinto as a religion in the same sense that Christianity or Buddhism were.
>>1787 This. StJs videos are great and ive shown them to alot of newfags
Is there a good translation of the Rig-Veda which is accurate to the source text?
>>6250 I think he's definitely more good than bad. My only real 'problem' with him is his reliance in certain areas on genetics. As has been discussed here many times before, there is little reason to trust what these people are saying about the character of the past, especially when it comes to White Europeans. Besides that, I think the raw information provided in the videos are decent, so I also don't have any problems recommending him to others, but I always advise people to ultimately take the time to do their own research. He's certainly a better source than Varg.
>>6802 There's always >>30, but it's of course R.T. Griffith's translation. The only really issue I am directly aware of with this translation is that it was published in like 1890, so the language is archaic in some spots, especially since its translating ancient Sanskrit hymns. I was going to point you to a contemporary translation by two different people, but as I looked into both they weren't what you were looking for. The first was Bibek Debroy's translation, and while I am very pleased with Debroy's translations of the Ramayana and the Bhagavata Purana, it appears that his translation of the RV is only partial, only the first book out of like ten. The other I went and looked at was Wendy Doniger's RV translation. This too is only partial. It's a selection of 108 hymns. Wendy Doniger is also a jewess as well. I'm now wondering whether there has been a full translation of the RV since Griffith's. Both of these can be found on Library Genesis in epub format though.
>>6804 Ive found this one and its a scholarly translation into English, It claims to have translated the entire Rig-Veda and gives explanations about the meaning of some of the sentences. I haven't read the book yet but that is what the description of the book says.
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>>6850 Thanks for posting this, this seems to be pretty great. Obviously since it's so massive it's hard to judge the entire work, but having looked at 10.90 which talks about the origins of the castes and another verse that I like at 1.164.46, I am pretty happy with this. It seems to be much more readable as well. Nice to have some descriptions too before each one.
>>6856 You're welcome :)
This is the best thread I've ever seen, very knowledgeable anons across the board, nice one lads. I can't help but notice the implication that there have been multiple threads, where may I find the previous ones? Very curiously, what would all of you anons consider yourselves in regards to your spirituality?
can someone give me the 411 on Zoroastrianism. this is Adolf Stalin
>>3353 well shit didn't expect find information that fast
>>3952 wasn't Galileo the first to pertain a theory of round earth and people thought the earth was flat until that time period? I'm also interested in other "earth theories". I heard hollow earth is compelling.
>>4232 well it can it would just have to be in off-road communities rather than the state itself. I'm interested in cult-building and would rather exist outside the range of public interests
>>6956 >>6957 That is a good book. Some of the yashts for the more irrelevant gods are kind of repetitive and boring but there is some good stuff in there. Also worth looking over the second screencap here >>130. >>6958 People knew about a spherical earth for centuries before that actually. People of course like to point to Eratosthenes and his fairly accurate measurements of the Earth's size, and he lived between 276 - 194 B.C. In Hindu scriptures such as the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam we can also see some talk about how when the sun is up at midday somewhere on Earth, on the diametrically opposite side of the earth it is nighttime. >I'm also interested in other "earth theories". I heard hollow earth is compelling. Hollow earth is the one most worth looking into, in my opinion. I wouldn't say I believe in a completely hollow earth though. I lean more towards the honeycomb earth theory, where there are numerous huge caverns under the surface, and that it's not just solid rock all the way down. We've barely gone past a few miles in digging so it's very possible. >>6959 I've been looking into 'cults' for some time with a similar intention in my mind. Doubt I'll really ever actualize any of it, but it's interesting reading. I do not really like the term cult though. Though it of course has a non-pejorative meaning, Abrahamists have weaponized the term 'cult' as a term of abuse against small new religious movements outside of the mainstream culture, especially for ones that reject the values of the mainstream world. This is not to deny that there aren't very destructive small religious movements. This is undeniable and they should be avoided at all costs. I am not anti-political in the slightest but I think taking a more solidly religious angle to getting people more open to our ideas is going to be more fruitful.
>>6953 Glad you're getting some good knowledge out of this thread, anon! > I can't help but notice the implication that there have been multiple threads, where may I find the previous ones? Here are the ones I was able to dig up. I am not sure why there is no thread two, maybe someone mistyped the title. < Aryan Religion Thread III (March 2021) <https://archive.fo/Zv3YC <Aryan Religion Thread (September 2020 - March 2021) https://archive.fo/DXGbf Somewhat related < All-Purpose Dharmic Philsophy Thread (May 2020 - January 2021) https://archive.fo/nccCm >Very curiously, what would all of you anons consider yourselves in regards to your spirituality? I'm a bit eclectic admittedly, but I consider myself an Aryan pagan at my core. There is some perennialist influences in me when I say that across all of the Indo-European traditions we seem to see very similar pantheons, traditions and spiritual / philosophical concepts adapting to differing cultures, conditions and places. This doesn't mean that they are all completely true. This is philosophically untenable, but they are more or less approximations of Truth. The general Indo-European worldview, in which the world is animated by consciousness and purpose, and many beings non-human, is in tune with the vision of our ancestors in the past, and is some respects superior to the explanations of modern mechanistic science today. Particularly though I draw a lot of influence from 'Hinduism', particularly Vaishnavism. The Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads are necessary reading for all Indo-European pagans, I think, particularly on account of the fact that they originated in the distant past there.
Make sure to check out Celsus’ critique of the Christians when you get a chance, it is a really good read. I am still reading, but here are a few choice quotes I found good: On Christians and their beliefs: >[Christians] do not want to give or to receive reasons for what they believe. Their favorite expressions are "Do not ask questions, just believe!" and: "Your faith will save you!" "The wisdom of this world," they say, "is evil; to be simple is to be good." The vulgar character of Christianity: >Taking its root in the lower classes, the religion continues to spread among the vulgar: nay, one can even say it spreads because of its vulgarity and the illiteracy of its adherents. And while there are a few moderate, reason- able, and intelligent people who are inclined to interpret its beliefs allegorically, yet it thrives in its purer form among the ignorant. On the resurrection hoax: >even though he did not accept the challenge to remove himself from the cross or to escape his persecutors when he was alive, yet he overcame them all by rising from the dead and showing the marks of his punishment, pierced hands and all, to others. But who really saw this? A hysterical woman, as you admit and perhaps one other person-both deluded by his sorcery, or else so wrenched with grief at his failure that they hallucinated him risen from the dead by a sort of wishful think- ing. This mistaking a fantasy for reality is not at all uncom- mon; indeed, it has happened to thousands. Just as possible, these deluded women wanted to impress the others who had already the good sense to have abandoned him-by spreading their hallucinations about as "visions." After getting some few to believe them, it was a small matter for the fire of superstition to spread. If this Jesus were trying to convince anyone of his powers, then surely he ought to have appeared first to the Jews who treated him so badly-and to his accusers-indeed to everyone, everywhere. Or better, he might have saved himself the trouble of getting buried and simply have disappeared from the cross. On the Christian hatred of intelligence: >Their injunctions are like this: "Let no one educated, no one wise, no one sensible draw near. For these abilities are thought by us to be evils. But as for anyone ignorant, anyone stupid, anyone uneducated, anyone childish, let him come boldly." By the fact that they themselves admit that these people are worthy of their god, they show that they want and are able to convince only the foolish, dishonorable and stupid, and only slaves, women and little children. Against Abrahamic Anthropocentrism: >They hold that God made all things for the sake of men, whereas our philosophy maintains that the world was made as much for the benefit of the irrational animals as for men —I mean, why should things have been created more for man's nourishment than for the benefit of the plants and trees, the grass and the thorns? >all things have not been made for man—any more than for the lion, the eagle, or the dolphin—but rather all has been made by God so that the world itself may be complete and perfect in all its parts. Things have indeed been proportioned, but not for the sake of man—rather for the good of the universe as a whole. God takes care of the universe; that is to say, providence never abandons it, and it does not become more evil. The Christians are silly to say, therefore, that God turns the world back to himself after a period of neglect, nor does he become angry because man "sins"—any more than he is angry with monkeys and mice for doing what they do naturally. For each has his allotted place in the scheme of things. http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=33D7D877C258CF537C721FBB1E9E5591 Interesting stuff so far. I particularly like his talk on everything having its allotted place and all things being created not for man, but for the good of the universe as a whole so that it may be perfect and complete among all its parts. Basically this is the idea of the Natural Order at its finest.
>>6953 I believe that, to some degree, all peoples' religions are true for them and that they're based on a singular spiritual truth, with exceptions, of course. Shinto is the Japanese truth, Asatru is the Norse truth, Romuva is the Baltic truth, and so on. As for myself, I mainly worship first and foremost my own goddess, whom I have pledged myself to as gratitude for healing my father, so I would describe myself as a polytheistic monolatrist.
An introduction to perennial philosophy. This book includes 25 essays by 14 perennialists such as Rene Guenon, Titus Burckhardt, Ananda Coomarasaswamy, etc. It seems like perennial ideas are certainly very important in Aryan pagan thought today. >>7341 Interesting, was it any readily identifiable goddess or was it a previously-unheard of one that revealed itself to you in some way?
>>7581 Aldous Huxley too wrote a book about Perennial Philosophy. He compiled countless quotes from Western and Eastern sources and commented them.
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>>7625 This looks great, thank you! I had heard of this book but I had not ever taken the time to look into that deeply. What seems really great about this one (from a quick perusal, at least) is the sheer amount of quotes he's compiled here. I always appreciate it when the author just quotes what they are talking about, because the primary source is almost always the best. This sort of approach is definitely necessary, I think, for a workable form of paganism to really come into being on its own terms. There are just so many similarities in ideas about the world and about the gods or anything divine in different cultures and traditions that it would be a mistake, I think, to ignore the idea of perennial philosophy. I would of course warn against the idea that 'all religions are true', but I cannot deny that there is truth in many of them to a greater or lesser degree. It was actually this idea that really helped me get into and understand paganism much deeper.
>>7647 >I would of course warn against the idea that 'all religions are true' For us Aryans there is only one religion, yes. Christianity, Jewry, Islam and whatnot they wanted to force upon was bound to fail, because deep in our soul and body we still know that those belief systems are foreign to us. Just as our White paganism, other religions like Hinduism for example are all children so to say of the perennial philosopy. Your image kinda shows it. To understand the fundamental truth of this universe which is shown in the Perennial Philosophy is important for us if we really seek to understand our own race-bound religions. So coming back to the point of all religions being true: religions based on the perennial philosophy are true for the races they originated in. Foreign ones like Abrahamic beliefs are foreign and will stay foreign until the end of times. Besides protecting our own and cherishing our religion, it is our duty to fight the Abrahamic cancer that was intentionally spread over centuries.
>>7654 >So coming back to the point of all religions being true: religions based on the perennial philosophy are true for the races they originated in I definitely agree with this, mostly. There are many factors which shape a given religion. The practitioners themselves are of course one important factor that we are all aware of, as is the fact that different groups of people in different areas will be in regular contact with slightly different types of spirits / localized deities, and that as two related groups diverge they will look back on different groups of ancestors, and different histories that may initially obscure the deeper links between the two religions. I have never seen a good Abrahamic criticism of these things before. These sorts of features which change the outer expression of a tradition are natural and are bound to happen, and indeed give the religion and its people a unique character in accordance with their natural ways of living and acting. As you say yourself, this is why fundamentally the Abrahamic religions are incompatible with the Aryan spirit, not to mention that its worldview is a perversion, for many reasons, of the worldview more closely in line with Perennial Philosophy. >Besides protecting our own and cherishing our religion, it is our duty to fight the Abrahamic cancer that was intentionally spread over centuries. Indeed. As far as I see it, it is about time for a type of 'pagan fundamentalism' that does not tolerate apostles of the Lie, regardless of what mask they may wear.
>>7664 Especially considering the danger Abrahamic beliefs stand for, we should take something like the Perennial Philosophy with a grain of salt. For example if you read the book by Huxley, you will see that he also features Catholic Mystics and similar characters. Even the term perennial philosophy originated with Christian philosophers. The grounding notion still remains true of course and needs to be further explored.
>>7679 We definitely shouldn't just wholeheartedly attach ourselves to Perennial Philosophy as it exists as a sort of school, that would be a mistake. They would likely disagree with us on many issues, because undoubtedly they are wrong on some things. I'm not too concerned with what mystics have said, because it can easily be aligned with more mystical pre-Abrahamic figures here and there in the East and West. I see them as reading what they have experienced through an Abrahamic lens. This doesn't mean I respect their religion though. Abrahamism is deeply astray from the truth on a handful of core matters. So it's definitely better to be aware of the core idea and to use it in our researches, especially among the similarities between Aryan religions. This is what is the most important thing. Already at the time of the Rigveda we can read verses saying that the one Truth is called many names. And of course even the Greeks and Romans saw their gods reflected to some extent in the pantheons of their neighbors. This is the healthy sort of use of this. It is quite obvious that Zeus is Indra, and that Indra is Perun, and that Perun is Ukko (even if this is not an Aryan god, but a Finnish god). It can go much deeper than that too. Abrahamism is false on these key points >linear sense of time (non-cyclical) >belief that there is a single way of approaching Truth >belief that one will be raised with one's body in the future >exclusion of all lesser deities >Abrahamic god behaves like a jealous demon
Does anyone know if Heraclitus' philosophy, specifically on his unity of opposite idea, share any common beliefs and thoughts with other Aryan religions and philosophies?
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>>7730 I think we can see a good deal of pieces and parts in Heraclitus' philosophy that have counterparts in other Aryan religions and philosophy. Unfortunately when it comes to his view of the unity of opposites / the transformational equivalence of opposites, I am not personally aware of anything like this in Indo-European thought. We can of course see other Milesian philosophers of this time saying that some or another element is the root of all things and is able to change into the others, but it doesn't seem quite the same as what Heraclitus' is talking about. I've read some interpretations of Heraclitus where his talk of 'fire' is not the same as what is being talked about by Thales with water or Anaximenes with air. But when it comes to similarities in the larger sense, his ideas of flux or constant change are obviously present in some sense in Buddhism and various sorts of Hinduism, at least when it comes to materiality. Marcus Aurelius talks a lot on the idea of the impermanence of all things as well. Some have even traced the Stoic doctrine of Ekpyrosis, where the entire cosmos is consumed by fire and destroyed, to Heraclitus: <"Fire in its advance will judge and convict all things." https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Heraclitus#Fragment_66 On that same note, Aristotle also lumps in Heraclitus together with Empedocles and others in saying that the universe is eternal and cyclical. What is also interesting and very similiar with many Aryan ideas is Heraclitus ideas of a divine order / logos that is common and universal, informing the entire cosmos. He calls it a divine law. He evidently was able to apprehend this divine law through a sort of self-inquiry: <"I have sought for myself." <"It pertains to all men to know themselves and to learn self-control" This is of course extremely similar to numerous other statements made by others in the past about the importance of knowing yourself as a means to the discovering the truth about the Whole. As above, so below. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Heraclitus#Fragment_101 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Heraclitus#Fragment_116 I have seen some fragments that some have interpreted as saying there is rebirth after death eventually, or stuff about life after death, but I am not entirely sure. It's plausible that he was saying this, especially the latter in some sense. Both of these used to be found all over Europe and beyond into India, needless to say. He's an interesting guy. He stands out on his own, for sure, especially with his somewhat pantheistic view where war and strife are the father of all things, but he also has a lot in common with broader Aryan thought.
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An interesting academic paper on the origins and development of Slavic Neopaganism in the Ukraine. There it is apparently known as Ridnovirstvo or Ridnovira. A little bit is written in there about the Book of Veles too.
Has anyone here ever considered what they will name any of their future children? I am thinking it is very important to dechristianize the naming practices in my family. Unfortunately both my first and middle name are as Judeo-Christian as it gets. The real question is what type of name to choose though. Would it be best just to look into the etymologies of names that are in use today and just to choose those, or should one be choosing names that are more explicitly non-Christian. Today many of the pagan names and Christian names exist side-by-side and no one can tell them apart except those in-the-know, making me think that it might be good to choose names that are more stringently pagan. I'd love to name a kid Adolf but it's unlikely to happen
>>7947 Look in a nordic phone book and you'll find plenty of non-jewish first names for inspiration
>>7948 Probably not a bad suggestion, honestly. I'm sure some of them have obscure English counterparts too.
>>1648 Have you ever come to the thought that Evola is just simply wrong about many things? I mean even fire is debately surperior to water and to say men and women aren't very different is just obviously incorrect. Societies snd communities since the creation of man have never needed women to adminstrate and judge their kin nor have we've seen cases of true equality. A woman who awakens herself to understand the truth about our reality, nature, and the cosmos is definitely of great value, but most females fail and are shown to be better off being ruled by their husbands than left to their own decisions, Greece, Rome, and India and their patriarchs are perfect examples. Dharma, and almost every religion acknowledge that women and men are not equal and that females are prone to degeneracy and hypermaterialism than males. Masculinity, light, and fire is indeed superior to the femininity, darkness, and water.
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>>8125 The mistake people like Evola make in quotes like the one you are addressing is thinking that since men and women have different natural roles, or excel or are most at home in a certain domain, that therefore one cannot say there is any superiority and inferiority at all since they're all 'different'. This is obviously silly. As you yourself say in your post, men are naturally superior to women in many qualities, and the success of men in almost sphere of life outside of the domestic is proof enough to this, whether we are talking about spiritual, political, philosophical or even scientific areas of endeavor. Difference implies inequality. People today are afraid of acknowledging inequality and difference. Women are inferior to men, but play important and indispensable roles. This is the view put forth in Indo-European scriptures. And of course, saying something is inferior does not in any way mean that there is any 'hate' involved in this statement. This is yet another modern myth. I do not like how many people seem to become totally soured on women today and lash out at them constantly, but I still realize that they are inferior to men.
>>8129 >This is the view put forth in Indo-European scriptures. And of course, saying something is inferior does not in any way mean that there is any 'hate' involved in this statement. This is yet another modern myth. Unfortunately both the left and right take this meaning as what they want to interpet it for their own purposes. The right takes it as a reason to validate having a dysgenic/degenerate patriarchy and the left sees it as reason to villianize everything that is dominated and centered around the male, as if the Aryans simply hated women and did not do the things they've done for their sake as well. >I do not like how many people seem to become totally soured on women today and lash out at them constantly, but I still realize that they are inferior to men Agree, the best way to handle the whore question isn't to lash out at the women who have nothing to do with them, but to communicate, teach and rule them back to the proper path to true femininity. The amount of asocial fascists and right-wingers who just simply avoid women and confrontation with other social beings is something that young fascists must seek to eliminate unless they have a reason for it. It especially shows when I see our guys get personally hurt that women mock their viriginity and can't reason why it's better to be someone who retentions his semen to enlighten himself than someone who's mind is only occupied by lust. Stop seeking for answers and solutions from your emotions.
>>8137 >Unfortunately both the left and right take this meaning as what they want to interpet it for their own purposes. The right takes it as a reason to validate having a dysgenic/degenerate patriarchy and the left sees it as reason to villianize everything that is dominated and centered around the male, as if the Aryans simply hated women and did not do the things they've done for their sake as well. Yeah, exactly. That is why it's not totally incomprehensible why one might want to use this sort of language where men and women are just called 'different' and are seen as complementary in some sense or another. This isn't exactly wrong, and it can be used well to create common ground with others. Though like I said, women are certainly inferior, using this sort of language has been helpful when I have discussed these sort of things with people in real life before. One has to tailor their message to the level of audience while still sticking with the truth. The last thing we need to do is to keep falling for the adharmic narratives of gender war or class war. These are the prime ways the Jews subvert us. >The amount of asocial fascists and right-wingers who just simply avoid women and confrontation with other social beings is something that young fascists must seek to eliminate unless they have a reason for it Yes, definitely. Unfortunately many of the people that are waking up right now are pretty asocial, not because these ideas are inherently asocial or anything (as Jews would allege) but because it is these people who are online the most and are able to discover these forbidden topics in this day and age. >It especially shows when I see our guys get personally hurt that women mock their viriginity and can't reason why it's better to be someone who retentions his semen to enlighten himself than someone who's mind is only occupied by lust. Kek, yeah, that's a sure sign that one has not detached themselves from the modern mindset. Needless to say, semen retention is extremely powerful. The difference between retaining and wasting is literally night and day. The idea that young men should be sleeping around and wasting semen is a modern idea that is actually very detrimental to young men. In Vedic civilization, at least among the high castes, men often would be celibate until 20 or 25.
>>8140 >men often would be celibate until 20 or 25. This is degenerate and destructive to society. Our birthrates in all White countries are at rock bottom levels. We need to have children as early as possible not waiting until an arbitrary age. And that means having sex to make White babies.
>>8145 Right now I definitely agree with you, what I mentioned of course was in the context of a healthy organized society that didn't have to worry about its impending extinction. Still though, it's a good example of why it's not worth getting riled up over women throwing the term 'virgin' around as some sort of insult, because it's really not an insult, especially when coming from a bunch of fornicating whores with zero self-respect.
>>8129 Dude, house husbands and single fathers outperform women at the same task and even at parenting(which single fathers do only slightly less well than a couple), in most cases, the only thing we need women for is birthing and creating children.
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>>8167 I wouldn't doubt it, but women do good enough when in the right environment, i.e. married to man and part of his household. They are obviously unequipped to care for children without a husband, for we all know how big of a disaster single motherhood is. This recognition is why the Laws of Manu state that women are to have no independence, and ought to be under the care of their male guardians, and I wholeheartedly agree. Women have always tended to the domestic sphere while men have worked outside of the house and in political matters. This doesn't make the woman ruler of the home though, of course. The Aryan man is the king of his house, ultimately, with authority over his children and wife.
>>8167 It doesn't matter if single fathers and house husbands do a better job. Either way the ideal family is always going to be a Father, Mother, Son and/or daughter. Children are reported to be the healthiest when they have both parents. I think even high-IQs were said to usually have strong bonds between their kin.
>>34 Golden is akin to Light, which with blond hair and White skin would perfectly fit. He can be likened to one of the less known aspects of Apollo, the warring one. >>117 Poseidon is literally Atlantic, far more directly linked to Atlantis than the roundabout Athene Pellas. >>118 The similarities with Baldur are blatant here, which is logical for Apollo was a Hyperborean god. >>130 >Zoroastrianism end goal in this world >Defeat evil. Compare to: "you shall resist evil." >>139 Egyptian old knowledge said to be saved from the Atlanteans included an obsession for some specific stars in particular and the knowledge of the speed of light, FWIW. >UFOs Careful with that because the kikes have been preparing and "predictively" programming us for decades. Either it's complete bollocks and will serve as a last resort attempt at pushing us into a one world government against a fake enemy, or something might happen and the Jews will still do this too, but because they want to use us to fight against something that might not be our enemy but would actually be theirs. But /x/ so moving on. >>140 Whites settled many areas in Anatolia and beyond 3000 years ago, so whatever came to Greece from that area might not be so pozzed. Thin of it anyway, all organized cults appeared in White-managed regions or include Gods of Order who have White attributes. So if the borrowed Gods that ended in the Greek mythology have rather Aryan values, there shall be not much concern for their validity. >>142 >All from the One Yes and the most advanced schools of thought in the Western world have acknowledged a rather neutral stance displayed by this "One" towards any creation, like a big toolbox which the slightly subservient Gods use to shape the universes. A gradient comes to mind here with an infinity of states, the Gods serving functions for the working of this Celestial Construct. In a sense, this One, this source, is not to be worshiped. It is, it acts without acting, it just does 24/7. One could say it has no merit, it's in Its eternal nature to do so. >>283 >Many of the Semetic gods come from the Sumerian, but I haven't heard any coming from the Semites themselves. Probably an exchange between fairer rulers and blacker subjects. Semites are a messy racial stew since they appeared at the crossroads of South Europe, Asia and Africa. >>289 That multimillenia old bowl is racist and antisemitic. >>291 >We of course know that even non-Indo-Europeans can be White, just look at the Basques. It is very complicated. Some Mediterranean people entered the Atlantic and moved along the coasts for thousands of years. I even read that they could be a very old settlement either related to Philistines or people of Eire. >>500 >Regarding the wicker man it is said that they filled it up mainly with thieves and robbers. Soon with trannies and kikes. Stay tuned. >>1226 That post warrants a DLC. Please kindly provide.
>>1322 "Romans" covers a wide territory and equally vast timespan. It would certainly relate to the successive introductions of varying racial groups, including at some point Celts, or even much later Germanic when Rome was falling apart. Might have happened twice for the latter IIRC. That's a whole topic in itself worthy of a thread imho, the history of Rome from a cultural, religious and racial standpoint. >>1327 I can't find your version of the page. Assuming it's the same page but a different version, it might be that (((someone))) went as far as to edit this annoying coincidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania#Etymology "New term, freshly introduced". Looks like it was in use among some of these Germanic tribes before the Romans considered it practical enough to use it as a more general identifier? But it's (((wikipedia))), as mainstream academics would possibly wish to maintain the divide between Romans (despite aristocratic fair haired patricians who were proud of their appearance) and the ebil proto nadzees livin' inawoodz. But they cannot rewrite Tacitus (yet). https://www.etymonline.com/word/brother (there was a word for this which etymologically doesn't seem to relate to Germane. But... https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/27500/etymology-of-german-versus-etymology-of-germane >How do you know they don't mean the same thing? Perhaps the Romans thought the proto-Germans were germane, and thus named them. – Matthew Read May 28 '11 at 2:30 >I was idly curious about this myself; I also wonder if the term cousin german is connected at all. – Brian Hooper May 28 '11 at 3:00 >@BrianHooper: Yes, it is: I believe germane, germaine, and german used to be spelling variations of the same word. – Cerberus_Reinstate_Monica May 28 '11 at 6:22 +1. Also note that English did not use the adjective German before the 16th century. Before that, the adjective applied to anything German would be Almain (from Old French Aleman) or Dutch. – Alain Pannetier Φ Aug 13 '11 at 22:22 I think it's cousin germain, which in French (?) would imply closely related by blood. French itself is a language with a large Roman root, deriving from a popular (plebeian) form of Latin intertwined with other Celtic-Germanic words.
>>1401 >>In 17th, 18th and 19th century Protestant and Catholic chronicles and church documents complain of wide spread Lithuanian heathenism practice and disinterest in Christianity. In 19th most Lithuanian were nominally Christian, i.e., they had been baptized as infants. They did not readily practice their new religion, preferred to celebrate the old holidays and traditions. The church for centuries has actively advocated the destruction and removal of Lithuanian Pagan Religion elements. >>The Balts were the very last European Pagans. I'm about to... Pierce you! >Conservative Easterners >The continental or eastern Balts, on the other hand, were somewhat isolated from theprogressive developments in central and northern Europe. Their neighbors were Finno-Ugrians, Cimmerians, proto-Scythians, andproto-Slavs. In the upper-Dnieper (WhiteRussian) and upper-Volga (Great Russian) areas they coexisted with the non-Indo-Europeandescendants of the hunting-fishing tribes who had been there when the proto-Balts arrived.Although they kept themselves apartfrom these more primitive people, the eastern Balts stillwere more conservative culturally than their western brothers. >The Balts as a whole, including the maritime Balts, preserved the cultural heritage oftheir ancient Indo-European ancestors to a fargreater extent than did any other Europeanpeople. They did not partake in the extensive migrations of the Iron Age Germans, and, afterthe initial amalgamation with the aborigines of the Baltic coast, were subject to fewerextraneous influences. >Most Archaic Language >Modern Lithuanian is the most archaic (i.e., closest to the original Proto-Indo-European tongue) of extant European languages. Like the extinct Sanskrit, it has preservedmany of the most ancient Indo-European word roots. The resemblances between the twolanguages, in fact, taking into account their enormous separations in space and time, areuncanny. Consider, for example, the old proverb, "God gave teeth; God will give bread." InLithuanian it is: "Dievas dave dantis, Dievas duos duonos."And in ancient Sanskrit: "Devasadadat dates; Devas dat dhanas." >In religion as in language the Balts scorned alien influences. Even more sturdily thanthe Saxons or the Norsemen did they resist the fire and sword by which Christianity wasimposed on theother peoples of northern Europe. Although the already Christianized Germanknights of the Teutonic Order forced the Baltic Prussians and Latvians to submit to the crossin the 13th century, the Baltic villagers of East Prussia continued to practice theirIndo-European religion well into the l7th century. >Baltic Traditions Preserved >The Lithuanian nation officially subjected itself to the Pope in 1387, with themarriage of Lithuanian Grand Duke Jogaila to a Polish princess. In fact, however, Indo-European deities continued to be worshipped in the Lithuanian countryside for another 500years, right up to the beginning of this century. >The chief Baltic deity was Dievas, the familiar Indo-European Sky Father (themodern Lithuanian common noun dievas, justas the Lettish dievs, actually means "sky"; bothwords are derived from the same Indo-European root which has given us "deity"). Thenumber-two god was the Thunderer, the weather god. His name in Lithuanian was Perkunas;in Latvian, Perkons; in Prussian, Perkonis--all from the same Indo-European root as theLatin word for "oak" (quercus, originally percus), the sacred tree of the Indo-Europeans.Perkunas, of course, is cognate with the Germanic Donar, Thor. >One alien cultural element which did creep intothe religion of the Balts soon afterthey had become thoroughly settled agriculturists was the feminine Earth Mother aspect ofthe religion of the Neolithic aborigines in the Baltic region. This was grafted onto theessentially solar religion of the proto-Balts, and the fertility rites of the Balts werecommented on by their German conquerors during the Middle Ages. http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/Massive/books/William%20Luther%20Pierce%20Who%20We%20Are.pdf
>>8238 UFO stuff is worth following for a handful of reasons, but unfortunately the entire topic is an absolute minefield of disinfo, government / media psyops and kooks. There's something going on though, the amount of evidence for some of this stuff and its connections with various aspects of folklore, reports from the past and the like are highly interesting. For whatever reason though the government and media want us to be focusing on this more and more over the past few years starting with the blurry leaked videos in 2017. I'm not sure if it's some sort of Bluebeam shit, psyops for a new 'invisible enemy' or if there is actually something going on that the government itself is clueless and helpless against, but to remain skeptical of anything from these parties is crucial. Since an alternative name for the gods / devas in Dharmic religions are the 'Vaimanika' refering to the fact that they travel around in celestial vehicles / vimanas I admit that I am hoping that the reports of blond-haired Hyperboreans and shit are actually the gods coming back, but I won't get my hopes up. It's just my schizo theory >>8239 >I can't find your version of the page I used Wiktionary, it is still up on there it looks like https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Germanus#Latin
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>>8238 Yeah, the gods in the universe are best thought of as occupying some sort of celestial hierarchy of functions, and at least a few of them are responsible for the actual process of creation and organization that we see here in the universe. This was basically the traditional view. In the more personalist traditions of Hinduism of course it is not Brahman who directly creates, but rather Brahmā. This is what Plato was talking about as well in Timaeus where the Demiurge looked upon the eternal world of forms and used it as a template for his material creation. Based on some of the understandings that I have of the Upanishads and occasional statements made by people like Xenophanes, Zoroaster and the like though, I think an argument for a more personal conception of the One can be made, but one has to be careful here to not fly straight into Abrahamism. The hierarchy of gods is absolutely real, and they are NOT 'demons' or 'fallen angels' Ultimately though we need to figure out the truth through direct insight rather than speculation, so keep working on reaching enlightenment, anons
>>8168 I agree wholeheartedly, was just providing a little point if women are good mothers it is down to their husbands. >>8183 I didn't say it mattered, and I agree and no, in my experience High-IQ people tend to be less attached to their families, or if not less attached more willing to break those bonds than others if the need should arise.
>>1402 This concept of harmony and complementary forces is most important. For example, complementary harmony is the best defense against feminism and #metoo attacks. >>1752 >Also your wife shouldn't be hanging out with non-Whites in the first place. Things are not so simple, especially if you work in a big city. My brother has an office with some South Asians, 20% Jews and a disgusting mulatto. He hates half of them but the wage is good for the family so until it's necessary to move to greener pastures, he drags on while preparing. >>StJ: "No such standard can exist in a materialistic view." I guess DNA and civilization do not count, As Aryan So Baboon. Mind you it could be a way for him to pretend not being NS or close. His videos are useful. >>1757 >He’s some form of Traditionalist as far as I can tell. They are not racially based. Neither Guenon nor Schuon cared a nut about race. They are haters of the world and much more, they only wish to unite into the source of all. It's escapism on overdrive. >>2152 >Carbon dating is very inaccurate from the little research I've done myself as well. That's news. When the scale is measured in a handful millennia, it's quite reliable. >>2515 >Hell Christianity sure as hell not monotheistic. I think the Trinity, angels, and demons are proof of this The Trinity totally betrays its East Asian inspiration with the avatara, or several persona/identities/aliases of one single unseen god. The other critters are minions part of the menagerie. Like cats. In many ways, would these three essences be described in more... epic ways, they would actually be easily confused with gods belonging to some polytheistic pantheon. They're just smartly nerfed so the confusion hopefully never arises, but since the creed had to appeal to many polytheists, it had to be that much ambiguous while sticking to the monotheistic central idea. >>2613 The Moon can be seen as a cold overseer and guardian in darkness, the Sun as a nurturer feeding light to life forms on Earth (sort of stellar tits on fiya). There's a bit of androgenism to both and I think it might be a very good thing to include this in the future religion. >>2636 >Borrowing words along with the blue eyed brings me to the conclusion that Samarra was European or partly and the rulers of Sumeria were also Aryans. I pretty much doubt sandniggers would have built ziggurats and other assorted sky towers. >>2651 They're flushed around. Indra is linked to storms just like Wodanaz was also linked to storms and war, and sometimes the underworld. People were just going with the flow you know as they didn't write much stuff down while living in Europe because of nobook lifestyle.
>>2698 >Varg is a retard who thinks Nordics originate from Neanderthals That's probably one silly opinion for which I'd like to see evidence though. >refuses to admit doing the action that saves Nordic people and not tweeting to your cult 24/7 What? >He also wants to distinct Nords from "White" as well, which makes me think he's a controlled opposition. I've seen him insist on preserving the Nordics and even spread some pannordicism at some point, genetically and culturally. On this even Dr. Pierce would side with him. I would agree too, certain regions of Europe are in great need of Nordic blood. Every time this mixing happened in milder climates, great civilizations flourished. >>2713 >I don't know if he's controlled opposition necessarily, but he's a bit wacky White people with odd beliefs were probably quite the norm a few centuries ago. People here are looking for unicorns. >He called Prabhupada an avesha avatara (that means he thinks that Prabhupada's deeds and words are God's own by proxy) in many of his videos yet he completely disregards Prabhupada's and the Veda's stance on the role of women in vedic society. He even went so far as to initiate women as vedic teachers by his own admission. Got anything against Liberal Vedism? >>2821 That's one big Nazi LARPer if I knew any. >>3384 >An anon asks something about Hyperborean heritage but fails to understand were all into Hindupersian fluff ITT. If you want to talk about White religions from Europe, find another board! >>3386 Mortified by not having a husband? That's because of cultural pressure. if we tell our girls that getting married at 10 is preferable since they were 3 years old, sure, they will be mortified even before their first blood stains. Seriously why are we quoting street shitters' spirituality here? >>3687 Might look into the 55 club. Devi is very good stuff but sometimes (very few times) goes too far into romantic wishful thinking and is too much pandering to hinpoos, but there's a good reason for that and she actually explained it very well, she was basically a refugee in India and iirc she tried to foster a White child but her pajeet husband said nope, although I might remember this incorrectly. Miguel "Hitlor be returning drivin' vimanas" Serrano is just... unreliable? Plus his writing style is too peculiar for most people's tastes. Would pass. >>3762 It's even weirder that the Ultimate Avatar would even fail completely. But what is an UA anyway? Ultimate as in terminus, the last of the cycle? Then most certainly Hitler wasn't this creature. Hitler's purpose was to expose the Jew, to allow the birth of a solid model and protect Europe from communism as long as possible until the "Him" would come. Which we can all hope is something like VERY SOON. He allowed the shadow of Wotan to take hold of Germany (see Jung) and carry away the whole people for a battle which would be lost as it was meant to be (not all conditions were met, but the sad sacrificial aspect of it couldn't be revealed). I'd rather go by the Grail & Wounded King paradigm. Legendary 8chan thread: https://archive.is/SFoZ5
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>>8254 >They are not racially based. Neither Guenon nor Schuon cared a nut about race. They are haters of the world and much more, they only wish to unite into the source of all. It's escapism on overdrive. Yeah, with the basic idea of Perennialism there is a grain of truth, but as represented by the Traditionalist School™ it is a form of life-denying shilling for pure, static, unchanging Oneness and nothing else. They are shills for Advaita / Mayavada and Islam, specifically. As you say, their hatred for all things material is their downfall. Matter is not evil, even if it is not ultimate in itself, therefore race absolutely plays a role, and if they had raid texts such as the Rigsthula, the Bhagavad Gita and the like they would realize this. >That's news. When the scale is measured in a handful millennia, it's quite reliable. From what I have read it's somewhat accurate out to 50,000 years. The accuracy of this dating method also crucially relies on the assumption that the amount of the carbon-14 in the atmosphere has been constant, and that the decay rate into nitrogen proceeds constantly. There are numerous examples of modern mollusk shells that can be dated to be thousands of years old, freshly killed animals having calculated ages of over a millennium, among other things. It is also well known that over the past 60 plus years atmospheric radiocarbon levels have almost doubled due to above-ground nuclear weapons testing. Who knows what effects this has had on the accuracy of some measurements, if any. It has also been theorized that there is in general a fluctuation of the amount of carbon 14 in the atmospehre over time due to changes in the Earth's magnetic field, which would change the deflection of cosmic ray particles streaming towards Earth from the sun. The general theory is that carbon-14 is thought to be mainly a product of bombardment of the atmosphere by cosmic rays, so if the intensity varies over time, this would also affect the amount of carbon 14 in the environment at a given time, and thus effect datings. But even if it's perfect it only works out to 50,000 years and scientists readily admit this. On a related note though, sometimes with other methods of dating the scientists get very worried when they use them on human bones or so-called out-of-place artifacts, because they seem to suggest that anatomically modern humans and higher civilization existed far deeper into the past than modern archeologists tell us today, directly supporting the view of the world put forth by many pagan religions >>8255 >Seriously why are we quoting street shitters' spirituality here? The Laws of Manu, which Prabhupada is directly referencing here, was written by Aryans.
>>8254 >Things are not so simple, especially if you work in a big city What are you talking about? STJ could easily move to a rural area with other Whites or simply tell her to stay away from them. If your wife has no problem hanging out with a nigger, then she is likely a (((equality))) loving degenerate. Some things are simple and in this case it should of been simple to educate and take control of your wife. STJ's case is just typical e-pagan ignorance or him being the type who think non-Abrahamic faiths aren't traditional.
>>8258 The truth of the matter is that STJ is himself a nigger-lover. There used to be leaked Discord screenshots of him bragging how many non-White women he has had sex with abroad, and also one of his wife’s negress friends was even invited to his wedding in a Christian church!
>>3886 One might of course reply that there's no proof for any of this, but I must ask the following then - were our ancestors just schizophrenics making shit up for thousands of years??? Taking myths literally is unwise but was ok for the population at large. We see people believing in all sorts of nonsense today, some run into Scientology, tons of Christians are enraptured by the vast masses held in megachurches. The mind of the people is like that of a child impressed by pretty lights. It is now understandable why the real knowledge had by necessity, not by sadism or pleasure, to be kept away from them for their own good. >intelligences That is obviously something different than believing in beings of flesh waving bows and hammers and is much more palatable under a specific logic. Some people would keep up with the belief at a superficial level but good enough for their needs while a few others wanted to know more about the inner cogs of such a complex reality made of innumerable drawers and doors. The entities, intelligences or minds could be that of beings who didn't not wish to slide into bodies of flesh, or who were alive and physical eons prior to ours, now proceeding across the multilayered universe as through an metaphysical antechamber. >UFOs Perhaps the veil is being rendered but at this point speculating on their existence or what they are hardly helps us much here. If on this world or elsewhere there is a group of minds that knows what is going on and is getting set up for the big show, good for them, but these are almost irrelevant for the time being. However, if there is really a way for us to reach into a different realm, and return here transformed and with all the astral cavalry, sign me in. >>3903 >Regarding the flat earth video. I did not watch it because I am already well-versed in much of what they say. I've watched a lot of Eric Dubay in my day. I'm not 100% sold on it, but anyone who dismisses it without looking into it at all is being foolish Flat Earth is totally retarded. Do some hiking or ride a small plane and this ridiculous debate will be quickly settled. Now if the big idea is to sell us the idea that there's a parallel flat world in some other dimension ala Tolkien, that's something else entirely and most likely of no use to us right now. Let's focus on things that actually make sense and can be proved and have been known for a very long time. For starters, the flat earth scam can be quickly dismissed if one looks into the geodetic properties of sacred buildings, including the most important of all, the Great Pyramid of Giza. But again, this just proves that any form of far fetched story will still attract a great number of schizos even in the age of smartphones and online tutorials. Do not overestimate the wisdom of the average Joe. Period. >>3921 >The real question is though, is if the Earth is the size they say it is, why we do not observe certain things that should be observed, and why we don't observe certain things they say should be observed. Maybe it's shaped like a dorito and all the round things we observe in space are actually glowing decals glued to giant blackboard?? Seriously anon, that's ridiculous and not relevant to the thread. Perhaps starting a /FRIDGE/ fred would be better. >>3943 >idiots who believe that the Scythians were le tribes of Israel Geez, you learn something everyday. There's nothing more ultra Aryan than Scythians of old.
>>3952 >all of them, parrots It's true and it makes for an interesting exercise that forces people to actually think for themselves, which they are certainly not used to. But I have little hope for homoboozeus and frankly it's a complete waste of time. I'm gonna be cynical here but if at least they could become cannon fodder for our cause... >word planet meant 'wandering star'. Riddle me this: Janet? :^) >>3956 >I think /pol/nigs once had a thread that had so information about how the leaders of flat-earth society were literal kikes and how they were being funded by (((freemasons))) or something. That's actually some prime info we must find again. >>3959 >Schizo links. I for one would surprisingly side with that Freemason who had a plan, one of trolling and showing the limits of consensus. A certain type of elegant shitposter, with laudable dignity. >>3963 >Muh Greek names Stupid shit is stupid shit, regardless of age. Now if you FE shills could just get the fuck of /fascist/ at once. >>3979 >ITP: i dont care if weve sent faozands of satels in spess and peepul too thanks to astronomy and trigonometry relying on erf being a ball beecoz joos so erf iz flut <_> >>4086 She obviously had an affair with him and loved him. This is actually not unheard of that a women would want to follow a man she greatly loved unto death. Such women and respectably killed beforehand before actually being burned. Best way not to lose sight of your lover's soul is to go with him. There is nothing wrong with this honestly. If they're most terrible criminals, perhaps they burn alive, I don't know. >>4089 >Whatever the Aztecs were communing with was quite different from the Aryans The White men gods were BTFO. The ass steaks simply reverted to be being what they are, but then with a complex religious system that became headless. Not that it mattered much because I always suspected that they had been organized and educated only for the purpose of being efficient enough to work in building the pyramids and other temples under Aryan supervision. White Lords went hasta la vista, promised to return, then loled as their rudderless ships sailed. Anyone remember that old webcomic strip about peas waiting forever the return of some important Potato something figure? Same story here. >>4170 >Aristotle was also very clear that the only true slaves are those who are slaves by nature. He compared to the master to the mind and the slave to the body in the way their relationship ideally worked. The body is nothing without the mind, and is completely governed by it. Slaves have little to no access to reason, and are closer to animals, and therefore lower in the Great Chain of Being. Was he talking about niggers because I'd be greatly offended by such bullshit if he talked about Whites being enslaved, regardless of who the master would be. That's not denying that liberty for many NPCs is close to an illusion, but that's still too feudal for my tastes that a normal White person could have a price tag attached and not be allowed to say no when bought by any other retard who just happened to have heavy bags of coins or salt on that day. >The śudra is quite literally meant to serve their upper caste masters. But this was when Whites lorded over curryniggers, so it does not count. >>4256 Complicated since nearly all White burgers have that guilt trip lodged deep into them and still feel like usurpers. It would really take a hefty millennium for this negativity to dissolve.
Ya'll excuse me frens for the massive posts but I've been living in a grotto for half a year so I'm catching up. >>8256 >Matter is not evil, even if it is not ultimate in itself, therefore race absolutely plays a role, and if they had raid texts such as the Rigsthula, the Bhagavad Gita and the like they would realize this. They seldom use the word demiurge but it's just that, all throughout all the variations, degrees and layers of existence until they reach Mr. One. They hate even the most basic binary thing because 2 is already the beginning of decadence, of quantity, of less-than-perfect. These alt-Gnostics never provide one good reason why any god would actually even bother creating all of this in the first place! >There are numerous examples of modern mollusk shells that can be dated to be thousands of years old, freshly killed animals having calculated ages of over a millennium, among other things. It is also well known that over the past 60 plus years atmospheric radiocarbon levels have almost doubled due to above-ground nuclear weapons testing. Now that you mention this, I think I remember reading one of those anti-creationist essays Dawkins threw at a Christian's face, some well known intellectual and philosophical feud, they talked about galaxies, dinosaurs, etc., and I think the Christian side had spotted many inconsistencies while using modern science's own tools. Kinda gotcha moment. The issue with radioisotopes release by nuclear weapons affecting elements stuck in the ground for ages would require either their respective carbon isotopes to be affected while the subject is buried, or then affected as they're brought inside the modern and open air environment that's more saturated with such radioactive elements. I think it would be quite easy to isolate freshly found bones and study them in more or less sealed hermetical environments. Do you have any links to share on this so I can refresh my memory? My "safe net" position on this was that beyond several tens of thousands of years it really becomes problematic for pinpointed dating, but not to the point of throwing all numbers up. This, however, happens for alleged much older times where the range between min and max really becomes dangerously wide. >The Laws of Manu, which Prabhupada is directly referencing here, was written by Aryans. What about the temporal, social and racial context though? These Laws were officially written around 200 BC but it was claimed of them that they were many many centuries older. IOW, written between a time when, at best, Aryans had to manage curryniggers soon after their arrival, perhaps a century or two after the final settlement (and some killings), and at worse a time when they had been living and intermingling with them for more than a full millennium and a half, waaaaay after the last Vedic book was even assembled. We need rules written by Whites who practiced territorial segregation on the basis of race. When living with strangers for so long, you have to adapt your customs to them. Beyond such a long period, you cannot even know for sure who the real authors were. I simply would not trust the sayings of a hindoo mulatto. This is why for anyone looking into their literature, I strongly advise readers to strictly stick to the "primeval" older material and start using gloves when dealing with younger books. >pic Noice.
>>8258 Things are not so easy. First, women are far more tolerant on this than men, talking from experience. Second, I know women who agree with the harsh racial views of their husbands but would not reject talking to a well mannered and intelligent person from a different race. Besides, as I said, look at the dates. 2011, 2013. That's getting old now. Anyway whatever StJ does, pick what you deem useful and let the rest rot on the wayside.
>>8276 >These Laws were officially written around 200 BC but it was claimed of them that they were many many centuries older. They really have no idea how old many of these texts are. It's completely based on what linguists think and on their neat dating schemes that they try to fit everything into. It's very dubious at best. Oftentimes we don't even have manuscripts from before like the 15th century since India and surrounding areas are so humid and the manuscripts will decay rapidly if they are not properly tended to or transferred to new paper after several generations. On top of that, it's important to remember that almost all of the major texts of Hinduism (Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, the Itihasas, probably many Sutras as well) existed in an oral form for an indefinite amount of time before actually being put into writing, same with what happened with the Homeric epics and many other forms of epics and ritual scriptures. For example Julius Caesar mentions how the Druids of Gaul didn't even write down their sacred works and just passed them down by mouth to their disciples, and they were lost in total with Christianization. There's no telling when these were formulated, but it was probably centuries or over millennia prior to when Caesar was writing about it. > IOW, written between a time when, at best, Aryans had to manage curryniggers soon after their arrival, perhaps a century or two after the final settlement (and some killings), and at worse a time when they had been living and intermingling with them for more than a full millennium and a half, waaaaay after the last Vedic book was even assembled. I don't see why this matters. No one is saying to implement the Laws of Manu as the basis for society, its value is mainly to look at it as a point of comparison for other Aryan religious traditions and forms of social organization that have existed in Persia, in Greece, in Rome, in Germanic society and in every other ancient Aryan civilization of note. >>8275 >Was he talking about niggers because I'd be greatly offended by such bullshit if he talked about Whites being enslaved, regardless of who the master would be. That's not denying that liberty for many NPCs is close to an illusion, but that's still too feudal for my tastes that a normal White person could have a price tag attached and not be allowed to say no when bought by any other retard who just happened to have heavy bags of coins or salt on that day. Kek NPC wageslaves are literally prostitutes for corporations today, selling themselves to their Jewish bosses to serve them and to gain a pittance, not even being guaranteed housing or any standard of living at all. Slavery would be a beneficial institution to bring back under benevolent White governance. Aristotle was very clear that the master-slave relationship was one of mutual benefit and harmonious interaction, as was the relationship between husband and wife, and a king towards his people. >But this was when Whites lorded over curryniggers, so it does not count. It does count. Shudras = Slaves. Whites can be slaves too, it all depends on the nature of the individual in question. Just like in the Rigsthula, the archetypal thrall was an ugly dark-skinned subhuman, but it is clear that there were no actual niggers in the Germanic lands during the heyday of Germanic pagans, yet they still possessed thralls
>>8277 Women being more tolerant has nothing to do with STJ marrying and being with a woman who shows signs of being a degenerate. It's whether she is tolerant of all races and is not racially aware of herself and that STJ merely allows this, because he's too lax on things he finds okay. Similarly to how he himself mated with a Pakistani. There's still the possibility she is a jewess, although there is no evidence to prove this outside of the fact that she has hung around jews. If STJ wants to represent himself as a trustworthy and traditional "pagan", then he would of taken control of his wife like his ancestors would have done like a true pagan would do. >It's getting old now How is it getting old when the guy has established that he has no problem with other races and does not support any form or Aryan supremacy? Your point would stand if he did not show the same behavior as he had in the past along with the fact that he has kept this all in secret and never confessed them as one of his sins. Is this SP, once again coming on here for his moronic apologism over a e-celeb who listens to kikes over at Harvard?
Is India doomed as it is? It's a complex question because even though it is filled with curryniggers, India is doing better than Africa.
>>8277 >Second, I know women who agree with the harsh racial views of their husbands but would not reject talking to a well mannered and intelligent person from a different race. Initially my guess is that this isn't inherently a bad thing. But if someone can sort of enlighten me as to whether the text mentioned constitutes as racemixing and why, that could be great. My definition if racemixing is having sex with a woman not of your race and having children as a result.
>>8284 Indians aren't as dumb as you think, at least the high-caste ones. They are the only people keeping the country afloat. The millions of Muslims and dark-skinned Dravidians are dead-weight though, really.
>>8285 >Initially my guess is that this isn't inherently a bad thing Women are easier to sway and influence than men, so it is a bad thing, because it could lead them to having thoughts that White men are no different from other races. Reminder that the Greeks forbade their women talking to other men.
>>8280 >I don't see why this matters. No one is saying to implement the Laws of Manu as the basis for society, its value is mainly to look at it as a point of comparison for other Aryan religious traditions and forms of social organization that have existed in Persia, in Greece, in Rome, in Germanic society and in every other ancient Aryan civilization of note. What I see is that the browner the person in general, the viler the behavior. In contemporary times, we have Muslims and far off regions who do more than just marry kids at a very early age, and they follow a book that is very enabling on this too regarding what the Prophet did. We have now India, a country full of brown people most of whom live in squalor and some of them who don't even mind shitting in the streets in front of everybody. The orality of rules does not testify to their inviolability. It just means these people didn't fix them in books until then and that's it. I would assume the original conquering Aryans were better organized so they subdued a larger population, but I cannot believe that laws put on paper 1500 years later would not be affected by the sharing of the same territory and same culture by two formerly racially distinctive groups. The point being that we have to be careful and I'd rather look into a knowledge that would not carry the risk of cross cultural influence. >Slavery would be a beneficial institution to bring back under benevolent White governance. That's a false alternative. National Socialism proved it. >It does count. Shudras = Slaves. Whites can be slaves too, it all depends on the nature of the individual in question. That only works if you conveniently forget that the caste system was meant as a racial segregation. But over time the frontiers become porous. With a limited supply of White women, the White men living on the fringe of the upper castes would very quickly begin to mate with Dravidian women, sharing their wealth and education with their new half breed children, who I'd wager would often look browner than Whiter. Genetics influence the mind, mulattoes wouldn't see the world like a pure White person would. They would intuitively resent them and feel the weight of a certain form of prejudice almost immediately, regardless of an ability to voice it aloud or not. >Just like in the Rigsthula, the archetypal thrall was an ugly dark-skinned subhuman, but it is clear that there were no actual niggers in the Germanic lands during the heyday of Germanic pagans, yet they still possessed thralls A minority of racial-slaves at best, of which nothing remains today. This story might go back to very distant times when Whites came from the East and took control of lands which were populated by perhaps an already intermixed array of people, some very White, some stupendously tawny, since the women Rig slept with were of the upper classes and certainly not these scruffy darker beings. The point here is that these thralls would have been an inconsequential minority since only Karls and Jarls were respectable. Then we can compare India and Scandinavia: on one side the Whites disappear, genetically devoured by the shitskins, on the other the Aryan Whites prevailed so much that nothing of the ugly thrall lineage even remains, fresh Somalis aside.
>>8283 I'm just trying to bring a bit of perspective here. I'm not following StJ much but has he ever claimed being that super racially segregating pro-Aryan person that warrants going after him for not being this type of guy after some kind of scathing exposure? Again, the pictures are old now, people change although they may not ditch old colored friends. >he has no problem with other races Depends by what you mean with "problem". Then again it seems you go after him because he's not close enough to muh ethnoblob? That's the problem with our current fucked up society. Since Jews have made sure that any fiber of faintly pro-White or simply just not-anti-White but honest and neutral history and archeology would remain forbidden for decades, the moment someone begun to freely talk about Whites who were this and that in ways that might make ancient Whites look good, we automatically assumed such people are hiding hardcore NS sympathies. We shouldn't make such assumptions. Again, pick what you feel is valid enough and ignore the individuals. Maybe you think it's weird that someone would actually put so much effort into making detailed videos about proud and strong Whites who lived in different parts of the world, using sources most certainly shadow banned in modern academies, would also not feel the need to go full fash or something, but that's the reality of it.
>>8286 India needs an extermination of 99.99% of its population, preserving the higher caste and having it be swamped by Whites who would strictly apply modern genetic science, racism and only accept to look into the Vedas as far as spirituality goes if the point of it were to maintain the exoticism of this country. That would be the only way to keep the country really functional and preserve the most venerable and valuable elements of its historical culture. The question being, are you ready for Kalki or not. It's all or nothing. >>8287 Women are simply too nice with others, whether they're faggots or niggers in suits. NS White men can talk to men of other races with a smile on their face but I absolutely agree on us keeping our bitch slaves women on a leash. It's the only way to be sure.
>>8291 >>8291 >muh ethnoblob? Thanks for exposing yourself as a faggot. Your conversation has nothing to do with ethnoglobe and yet shitskins like yourself are dumb enough to bring up anyway. It's not hard to isolate yourself away from non-Whites, stop being a dumb faggot making excuses for a degenerate Anglo. Go find another board to be a nigger at.
>>8295 >It's not hard to isolate yourself away from non-Whites, stop being a dumb faggot making excuses for a degenerate Anglo. A) How does one isolate from nonWhites? Because you did say you support EG so that should be your favoured direction instead of isolation, right? B) Degenerate anglo? Who and why? If I seem uneducated in replying to your post, I apologize.
>>8290 >That's a false alternative. National Socialism proved it. Hitler did make it pretty clear that slavery was a necessary development in human and White society.
>>8317 >How does one isolate from nonWhites I don't know anon, it's almost as if you should find or live in a community that isn't riddle with them or simply hang around and make relations with other Whites only. STJ isn't poor, he chose to live his life by poor decisions. >Because you did say you support EG I never said that, why make such a strawman? I'm tired of fags on here crying and shilling ethnoglobe. Not wanting to be around non-Whites isn't ethnoglobe, so this is a leap of logic here. >Degenerate anglo? Who and why? STJ, and it's already explained why here >>8259 >There used to be leaked Discord screenshots of him bragging how many non-White women he has had sex with abroad >>8321 >Hitler did make it pretty clear that slavery was a necessary development in human and White society. Can you show me where Hitler ever said this?
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>The orality of rules does not testify to their inviolability. It just means these people didn't fix them in books until then and that's it Yes, of course. >but I cannot believe that laws put on paper 1500 years later would not be affected by the sharing of the same territory and same culture by two formerly racially distinctive groups. I'm willing to believe that it is likely not as radically changed as one would think. For one, looking at various Vedic texts and supplementary scriptures, there is a high degree of systematization of deities, ideas concerning dharma, kingship, caste, ethics, gods and Brahman. Many of these ideas can be directly aligned with similar concepts in ancient Indo-European religions. This is not to say that the Vedas are the source of Indo-European religions, but that the Vedas, just like the Indo-European traditions, are from a common and older Indo-European source which through analysis of ideas, gods, social institutions, general worldview, etc, can clearly be seen. If we can have millions of people to this very day who have memorized the Qur'an from beginning to the end, all 114 suras, and to this day there is only a single Qur'an known by Muslims (the majority of whom are obviously non-White) over the 1,400 years of Islam, there is almost zero doubt in my mind that massive portions of the Vedic literature are more or less faithful to the worldview of Indo-Europeans who settled and lived in what is modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent (which were all Vedic until Muslims conquered them). As Plato said, writing dulls the mind. The pre-modern man had extremely powerful memorization abilities (and even does to some extent if one is not spoiled by modern tech). In many of these cases, these sacred scriptures are composed in such a way that they are written in a poetic meter to aid memorization and preserve the structure of the composition. > National Socialism proved it. Like >>8321 said, read Mein Kampf. The two attached pics are from the Stalag edition. The 'slave' caste of society will always exist, even if under different names and more politically correct labels. >the caste system was meant as a racial segregation Yes and no. Race was undeniably an important foundation for the Indo-European social system. An Aryan was only an Aryan if he adhered to certain standards of behavior. It is clear that the term 'Aryan' had clear connotations of (1) belonging to a certain ethnic group and (2) acting like an Aryan. Otherwise you'd be classified as a degenerate and a non-Aryan. Aryan meant anything from a master, an owner, a friend, a freeman, one who belongs to a good family, a respectable, honorable and noble man, etc. It was a complex mixture of all of these. Subhuman Whites might have a body that is Aryan, but they are not properly Aryan because of their degenerate nature. A non-White can never be an Aryan though. He was created to serve White people. He can never meet the requirement of body and spirit required to be an Aryan. With this in mind, we can easily see how the Jarls of the Germanic people held White thralls and were still ruling in accordance with the Natural Order.
>>8354 >>There used to be leaked Discord screenshots of him bragging how many non-White women he has had sex with abroad Does anyone have the screenshot? I remember that Varg or one of his fans tweeted it once in an argument with STJ, but I can't find it after looking. It would be a good addition to my anti-STJ folder
Redpill me on runes
>>8295 Were you trying to say something intelligent?
>>8321 >Hitler did make it pretty clear that slavery was a necessary development in human and White society. NS Germany provided an apt demonstration that an Aryan country could grow free of slavery AND jews. America would be fine if it could turn Aryan and get rid of jews, commies, trannies and traitors. The Great Pyramid was built by paid free workers. Many cathedrals were again built by free men.
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>>8372 The runes first and foremost are not just a writing system, but are clearly a form of magical practice. This is clear if we look at the reconstructed Germanic word and its meanings. *rūnō means first and foremost 'secret' or 'mystery'. The Proto-Celtic word *rūnā has the same meanings and no connotations of writing. The theorized Indo-European root word has connotations of grumbling, mumbling and whispering as well, which again make us think of some sort of esoteric knowledge. These etymologies are definitely supported in the texts I have read so far. For example we can see in the Havamal than even Odin himself has to undertaken a strenuous form of sacrifice in order to be granted knowledge of the runes. This is of course where he starves himself and hangs himself from a tree while pierced with a spear for nine nights, and eventually takes the runes for himself, screaming. And then in the Rigsthula, Rig / Heimdall does not teach the runes to either Thrall or Karl. Jarl, however, is taught the runes by the god. His youngest son Kon seems to have been taught the runes too (by his father?), knowing life-runes and life-span runes, knowing various magical practices such as quieting the ocean, deadening sword-blades and learning the speech of the birds. It's even said that his knowledge of the runes contended with Heimdall himself, and from this he gets the right to be called the title of Rig himself and deploy the runes. We of course also see many artifacts from the past that have magical runic inscriptions on them as well, usually for protection or for the blessings of a god. Other places in the Havamal indicate that Odin was able to use runes to raise the dude, and that runes were protection against evil. In the Sigrdrífumál we learn about various victory-runes, ale-runes, helping-runes (for women in childbirth), speech-runes and mind-runes. When it comes to practicing runic magic though, I am ignorant, admittedly. It seems that only special people can claim knowledge and use of the runes, and even Odin went through quite the trial to learn of the runes
>>8372 >>8429 Egyptian, Greeks, Phoenicians, and Nordics all believed in the power of the glyph. Odin/Thoth/Mercury are said to have brought writing to humanity.
>>8447 Odin and Mercury seems to have a-lot in common. I wonder if the Nordics venetrated that Odin was the king of the Gods on purpose or if he was also king. There still needs an explanation on why Jupiter isn't Wotan are different gods.
>>8451 I still don’t think they are different. Does anyone know of any case in a European religion where the king of the gods was ‘dethroned’? Indo-European gods: >Perun >Perkunas >Jupiter >Zeus >Taranis >Indra In other European peoples as well such as the Etruscans the king of the gods was known as Tinia, who shares many features with Zeus, Indra and Perun (among others). Among the Finns we have Ukko, who is also extremely similar. Odin also has some associations with travelers or guests if I am recalling correctly, similar to Zeus Xenios among the Greeks. I do not know if we can draw connections between the valkyries, einherjar, the wild hunt and the the Maruts, who are a group of storm deities who serve Indra. The fact that Odin is the king of the gods, the king of Asgard and is known by various names such as ‘Allfather’ is extremely significant in itself, since I can hardly imagine these sorts of titles being thrown around lightly from one god to another. I’ve seen before that aspects of Odin being associated with (some of the) dead in some way may have led Romans to identify him with Mercury and Hermes
>>8461 I meant to say why Jupiter is possibly Wotan and how they're still seem to be different gods.
>>8495 Now that would be interesting to read
>>8495 I've also questioned if Wotan/Odin is really the king of the gods or this is a misinterpretation of who he really was before the Viking Age.
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An interesting excerpt from Cicero's 'The Dream of Scipio'. This is largely written according to a Stoic vision of the universe. It is interesting to see what they think of as deserving of 'Heaven' in contrast to Abrahamism - it is preserving the fatherland, furthering and enriching it. Those who break this divine law and the laws of men are sent wandering after death, not going to this place. The Souls, Suicide and the Ancestors: >" But still, Africanus, so that you may be the readier to defend the Constitution, know this: for all who have preserved their fatherland, furthered it, enriched it, there is in heaven a sure and allotted abode, where they may enjoy an immortality of happiness. >For nothing happens in the world more pleasing to that supreme Deity, who governs all the universe, than those gatherings and unions of men allied by common laws, which are called states. From this place do their rulers and guardians set out, and to this place do they return." > Here, although I was greatly terrified, by dread not so much of death as of treachery from men of my own household, I found courage to ask if he was himself alive and my father Paulus and others, whom we regarded as dead. "Yes indeed they are alive," said he, "who have soared away from the bonds of the body, as from a prison-house; but your life, as it is called, is really death. Nay, look at Paulus, your father, coming towards you!" On seeing him I shed a flood of tears, but he folded me in his embrace and by kisses endeavoured to stop me weeping. > And, so soon as I began to be able to speak, having choked back my tears, "Pray, tell me," said I, "most revered and best of fathers, since this is life, as I hear Africanus say, why do I linger on earth? Why don't I hurry up and come to you there?" "It is not as you think," said he, "for unless that God, to whom all this region that you can see belongs, has released you from the keeping of your body, the entrance to this place cannot be open to you. For men were created subject to this law, to keep to that globe, which you see in the centre of this region and which is called the Earth; and to them a soul was given formed from those everlasting fires, which you mortals call constellations and stars, that, round and spherical in form, alive with divine intelligences, complete their orbits and circles with marvellous swiftness. So, my Publius, you and all good men must allow the soul to remain in the keeping of the body, nor without his command, by whom it was given to you, must you leave your human life, lest you should appear to have deserted the post assigned to men by God. Use of the soul, and the reward / punishment: >Exercise this soul in the noblest activities. Now the noblest are cares and exertions for our country's welfare. And the soul which has been enlivened and trained by these will speed more fleetly to this its resting-place and home. And this will it do more readily if, even while still imprisoned in the body it strains beyond it, and, surveying that which lies outside it, as much as possible, endeavours to withdraw itself from the body. > For the souls of those who have given themselves over to the pleasures of the body, and have yielded themselves to be their servants, as it were, and at the prompting of those lusts which wait upon pleasures have broken the laws of God and man; when they have glided from their bodies, go grovelling over the face of the earth; nor do they return to this place, except after many ages of wandering." https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/cicero_dream_of_scipio_02_trans.htm
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Might be a weird rec for this thread. Boethius was a Christian, but in this work in the image related he never refers to Christianity once, and instead bases the entire work on Neoplatonism, and eminent pagan philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle. Boethius in the work is lamenting his bad fortunes in prison after being branded a traitor and is consoled by a representation of Philosophy who helps him remember his origin, the nature of true happiness, the Good (and how it is identical with the divine and true happiness) and the nature of fortune, and how all things seek the Good in the things they do, even if most men are astray and diverted into false, partial goods or evil. God is the final cause of all reality and is like a rudder that steers all things back towards him as men seek him out as the Good in the things they do. This latter thing reminded me of Dharma, and how it is essentially the same thing, the path back to the source. Good book. <n the words of Henry Chadwick, "If the Consolation contains nothing distinctively Christian, it is also relevant that it contains nothing specifically pagan either...[it] is a work written by a Platonist who is also a Christian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolation_of_Philosophy
I want to raise my future children pagan, but I'm a bit worried about how it would go. The biggest problem is that there is no real community to help bolster their beliefs. They'd likely think that it's just some kooky thing that their mother and father did and that they went along with while they were little but grew out of it over time instead of passing it down themselves. This can of course be alleviated somewhat by not forcing it down their throats and not being a hypocrite about these matters, practicing what I preach, etc. The biggest problem is lack of community though.
>>10379 Not forcing things on your children is a boomer hippie meme. If you don't force things on your children someone else will. Just be tactful about it. Ideally you want to do it without appearing to be forcing them. For example, if you talk naturally and often about it, make it a part of everyday life, and make it a fun thing, children will just absorb it naturally. Just keep in mind that not all children find the same things to be fun, though, and that can be a problem. My mother was into some eccentric new age stuff and I never got into any of it because she didn't want to force me into it, she rarely talked about it to me, and the rituals in which I rarely was involved with were always a boring, pointless chore. Meanwhile, my father was naturally racist and he easily immunized me against anti-racism nonsense by just joking about niggers every now and then. There was a black acquaintance he would call monkey to his face and it was all pretty goodhearted and funny. About the pagan stuff, it's a problem that all minor religions have. The way they deal with it is to avoid exposing the more arcane elements to outsiders. All mainstream religions can be made to look ridiculous if you nitpick them. That's why there are always blasphemy laws. Even the so called "free" and "secular" contemporary American and European societies have blasphemy laws. People just don't understand that these societies are not dominated by Christianity but rather by judaism and the blasphemy laws are holocaust denial laws. You can also minimize the more superstitious elements and talk about things in such a way that they can be interpreted as metaphors. This way you can always appear wise and deep instead of a kook. The value of religion is not necessarily to be true, but to transmit good values to children and create a bond between the present, the past and the future so that your children will want to honor their ancestors and to be create and be honored by their descendants.
>>10381 >Not forcing things on your children is a boomer hippie meme. If you don't force things on your children someone else will. Just be tactful about it. Ideally you want to do it without appearing to be forcing them. For example, if you talk naturally and often about it, make it a part of everyday life, and make it a fun thing, children will just absorb it naturally. Just keep in mind that not all children find the same things to be fun, though, and that can be a problem. I guess I have articulated myself badly here - I am absolutely going to integrate this sort of stuff into their lives. It won't be some sort of option for them either. When I talk about forcing, I guess I meant in the sense of 'I'LL BEAT YOUR ASS IF YOU DON'T GO TO CHURCH!' - this is the sort of attitude that I hate, and sure enough, it is associated with hypocrites and all-around shitty people, so it is no surprise that church-attendance is literally plummeting all around the Western world for this reason and many others. What you are saying about weaving it into everyday life is very good advice, and I think you have the right mindset here. It's the same predicament with governing a country. The ruler wants to prohibit certain behaviors and promote others, and they have two options for how to do this. One is to rule through terror and never try to actually shape the beliefs and characters of the citizens, giving the ruler merely external behavioral changes with no interior changes. The people will obviously go back to how they were as soon as the threat is gone. The second is actually shaping the moral character of the people themselves, leading to interior change and deeply-ingrained beliefs. The same applies within a family, which is really a government on the micro-scale. >About the pagan stuff, it's a problem that all minor religions have. The way they deal with it is to avoid exposing the more arcane elements to outsiders. [...] You can also minimize the more superstitious elements and talk about things in such a way that they can be interpreted as metaphors. This way you can always appear wise and deep instead of a kook. I don't mind the superstition, personally. Some of it is true, at the very least. I'm probably less kooky than some New Agers are though, admittedly. That's not to deny that there aren't metaphorical elements to these things, there certainly are. Admittedly though I have not poked my head around the available options IRL yet. I talk about some of this stuff IRL to people I know, but I haven't interacted with really any legitimate pagans in real life. I feel like it might be more disappointing than not, not that that majorly discourages me, because I think it is still both a better framework than Christianity and is closer to the truth. >The value of religion is not necessarily to be true, but to transmit good values to children and create a bond between the present, the past and the future so that your children will want to honor their ancestors and to be create and be honored by their descendants. Definitely.
>>10384 Corporal punishment can be a good thing. It helps to make children understand their place in the world and in the natural order. It helps break bad tendencies. And it helps them understand what the world will do to them if they don't behave properly. The threat and the way the punishment is dealt is more important than the severity, though. And it's something that shouldn't be overused. Don't be shy about creating an "us vs them" element and a persecution narrative when it comes to teaching religion. You don't even need to lie since these are elements that obviously exist in current society and that's a useful way of teaching them to children.
>>10391 What you say about corporal punishment is very true. I think the few countries that have banned it are making a big mistake. It's clearly a ploy to take power out of the hands of the family and to concentrate them even further in the state. The same is true to an extent with so-called 'domestic violence' laws. It's all about taking power from the father. Of course, as you say, there's a limit. The purpose is not to severely harm them, needless to say. That gets into nigger-tier territory. >Don't be shy about creating an "us vs them" element and a persecution narrative when it comes to teaching religion. You don't even need to lie since these are elements that obviously exist in current society and that's a useful way of teaching them to children. Yeah, luckily there is not much that has to be created here, as you say. From whatever direction one looks it, it is clear that those in power are quite literally evil.
>>10381 >There was a black acquaintance he would call monkey to his face and it was all pretty goodhearted and funny. That's odd. How can your father be a supposed race realist and be fine and dandy with negros?
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>>10395 >not being able to beat your wife and kids is a jewish conspiracy
>>10381 >The value of religion is not necessarily to be true, but to transmit good values to children and create a bond between the present, the past and the future so that your children will want to honor their ancestors and to be create and be honored by their descendants. Can't say I agree with this entirely. Religion is a valuable tool for creating the types of bonds you're describing, but it's not "just" a tool, it's a series of fundamental truths from which everything else is derived. If your religion can be exposed as tautologically false, than it can be taken as spiritually false as well regards of what lofty virtues these doctrines promote.
>>10411 Unironically yes. You should do some investigation into the concept of domestic discipline and see how much it improves relationships between men and women. >>10410 The logic doesn't follow. One can be a race realist and interact with a nigger and not be a complete sperg. It's literally impossible not to do this in America.
>>10417 You are retarded, because abusing your wife and kids is not domestic discipline. Discipline comes with reason, as if the situation with your wife and/or child were dishonoring our White collective, or their own family. Chastisement is about not physically or emotionally tormenting someone. Domestic violence laws contain some truths and have valid reasons to exist against retards like incels or the type who do not want to act as a responsible patriarch, so not every domestic violence law is retarded there just need to be some changes and edits to make them more suitable and not of feminist and democratic cancer. Flogging should be legal, but not anything abusive. I swear the idiots on this board continue to think that fascism is edgy and some anarchy degeneracy. Stop calling everything you don't like jewish, you're just making them the kikes look good.
>>10441 Giving your hysterical wife or bratty kid a bit of a slap or a spanking is not abuse, I think it is pretty clear that is what is being talked about here, given how it was articulated here >>10391 : <The threat and the way the punishment is dealt is more important than the severity, though. And it's something that shouldn't be overused. And here >>10395 : <Of course, as you say, there's a limit. The purpose is not to severely harm them, needless to say. That gets into nigger-tier territory. Clearly the implication here is that the ability to do even this is being eroded under the guise of laws that allegedly protect women. No one is saying that you should be able to beat and abuse your wife until she’s bloodied, has black eyes, is missing teeth, etc. Same goes for children, where it is even more inexcusable.
>>10441 >>10445 The real question here is why anyone is holding onto the ideal that we won't have to beat the women of our race into submission, you do not go back to soft forms of patriarchy from this extreme level of feminism, women must and will be treated like cattle again, like all civilization creating "barbarians" did, regardless of what level of violence is needed to achieve this. "oh it's nigger-tier" This is naught but an appeal to morality based on the false assumption that we have never and will never treat our women like less than human, Ideally, no we won't, at least not for more than a few generations, but not even that can be taken off the table, not if you consider yourself dedicated to the survival and recovery of our race from the degenerate state it's in.
>>10446 I might disagree with the wording of ‘cattle’, but in a broad sense I completely agree with you. This level of anti-Nature insanity will need a hard reset. Much of it will fall into place naturally though, as no matter how much social engineering is done, the natural inclinations of men and women will not change. Education and propaganda are indispensable though. Needless to say there is a reason why women have occupied the place they have for all of human history, and it is not because of some nebulous crypto-Marxist reason such as ‘material conditions’ or an even vaguer feeling of ‘misogyny’, but because that is the natural role of women, to work in the domestic sphere, reproduce the next generation and to please their husbands. Women are biologically designed and spiritually fulfilled in serving men. This is why we can find statements such as the following in the Ramayana: >“As long as the husband is alive, he is a woman’s master and god” >“O noble one! You should not equate me with wicked women. I am not capable of deviating from dharma, just as the moon cannot be separated from its radiance. Without chords, the veena doesn’t make a sound. Without wheels, a chariot does not move. Even if she has one hundred sons, a woman doesn’t obtain happiness without her husband. A father gives a limited amount. What a mother and a son give are also limited. What a husband gives is unlimited. Who does not worship a husband? O noble one! I have been instructed by the best, those who are supreme upholders of dharma. How can I disrespect him? To a woman, the husband is a divinity.” Realizing the truth contained in these quotes, we will see quickly why modern women are so insane and mentally-ill today.
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>>10445 hitting your kids or spouse at all is abuse (unless it's in self-defense or something obviously). this "spare the rod spoil the child" mentality is throuroughly old testament and jewish; if you're gonna advocate it well at least don't act surprised when women don't flock to your movement lol. what's the point of "empowering muh race" if the (supposedly) only way to do it is subjugating half of it to, yes, nigger-tier treatment. if you want to beat your wife convert to islam or become a cop >>10445 having the threat of violence from someone they're supposed to trust hanging over their heads all the time is corrosive to social solidarity and just gonna give them ptsd. I grew up with this shit, please read some child psychology and process your own trauma so you don't feel the need to make up for your own low self-esteem by mistreating people weaker than you. men are supposed to protect women and children not beat them. the sexes are supposed to stick together against the other, black and muslim feminists understand this, not everyone who identifies with that label is a dried up White woman with purple hair >>10446 treating their women like shit didn't save the greeks or the germanics from judaisation. if anything christianity spread through women because it was more superficially "feminist." for a brief period of time at the beginning there women were allowed leadership roles in the movement and stuff (something orthodox jews would have never tolerated, even paul complains about it and he was a pharisee) >>10450 I do agree that men and women are more natually suited to different roles but the interplay needs to be as equitable as possible for the sake of social harmony and solidarity
>>10455 I should add also that recognising the power of the divine feminine is absolutely critical and not doing so one of the biggest failures of abrahamism. there has to be balance between male and female, traditionalist idealism and pragmatic materialism
>>10455 >hitting your kids or spouse at all is abuse Absolute nonsense. This sort of thought has to be brainwashed into your mind. When I was little I got spanked when I was being an ass and I get along with my parents fine, harbor no resentment towards them and wouldn’t ever think that them doing it was abusive. Regarding wives, again one should take the other anon’s advice and read testimonies concerning this thing. You should also contemplate why depictions of men spanking or slapping women even used to appear in advertisements or were played for humor in entertainment. It’s almost like it’s a normal part of running a household. Family is a form of government. If there is no order, there is no family, just anarchy. Aristotle wrote much about this. >if you're gonna advocate it well at least don't act surprised when women don't flock to your movement lol Women are followers, it literally doesn’t matter what they think in this matter. White women belong to White men. >what's the point of "empowering muh race" if the (supposedly) only way to do it is subjugating half of it to, yes, nigger-tier treatment. You are clearly unable to look beyond your feminist programming to realize that the Natural Order ordains DIFFERENT ROLES to men and women. Aryan societies run on organic principles, hierarchically interacting parts in a greater whole. Women are subordinate to their husbands, period. To think that I even have to argue this on a thread about ancient Aryan traditions and spirituality is astounding. Women play a vital role, but it is a subordinate role. >if you want to beat your wife convert to islam or become a cop By this logic punishing criminals for committing crimes is something that people ‘desire’ to do out of some sadistic drive. No one ‘wants’ to discipline their wife and children. Harmonious families are the goal. Discipline is part of this. Wait until you learn what other non-feminist practices Aryan societies INDISPUTABLY practiced, such as veiling, sex segregration and killing adulterers. >having the threat of violence from someone they're supposed to trust hanging over their heads all the time is corrosive to social solidarity “I am an anarchist in denial: the post” >I grew up with this shit, please read some child psychology and process your own trauma so you don't feel the need to make up for your own low self-esteem by mistreating people weaker than you. You’re trying to jew me now by implying that I harbor trauma and have low self-esteem. Your psychoanalysis is going to work here, because it is just totally off the mark. You are projectig the experience of your shitty parents onto the entirety of human history and the parents of the rest of mankind who don’t behave like this. The fact that families are completely atomized today and not under the watchful eyes of extended family too are another problem which exacerbates these things and can make them harmful. >the sexes are supposed to stick together against the other No one denies this. Feminism is to be rejected, and what is being discussed here is in line with Aryan traditional norms. Unless you have textual evidence that this is totally off the mark, you are just slinging mud at what our ancestors saw as Natural Law, ordained by the gods and Nature. >men and women are more natually suited to different roles but the interplay needs to be as equitable as possible for the sake of social harmony and solidarity <different roles <equitable Pick one. Difference implies inequality. Different roles leads to unequal treatment. If you think this is ‘wrong’, you have fallen victim to feminist brainwashing and Marxist propaganda. Women for all of human history have happily embraced their role, and are now more miserable than ever outside of it. >>10456 This is precisely what is being proposed.
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>>10458 I don't think "aryan traditional norms" are the end all be all; like I said, gender imbalances were not an advantage to our ancestors in the fight against christianity. jews will coopt that shit but that doesn't make the struggle for equal treatment invalid, at least to the extent that women are viewed as individuals and not property. I still believe most women gravitate naturally towards the domestic life in societies where that's economically possible, but the guarantee of being forced into subservience in exchange is only going to drive them away, into the arms of neoliberal "feminism" and careerism. women are followers yes but because of conditioning; strengthening the other half of our race just means twice as many capable allies against the jews. you're an incel, not a nationalist your dismissal of any attempt at psychological analysis and empathy as jewry is also pathetic cope. I've barely read any psychoanalysis, I'm just speaking from personal experience. the extended family isn't a solution in itself, mine was close and they still didn't protect me, because they were like you brainwashed by christianity into thinking child abuse is okay. weak people will absolutely take their anger at their pathetic lives out on women and children if we keep the latter in a subordinate position >family is a form of government and like any government if it becomes tyrannical it will disintegrate. men like you are just as much to blame for the destruction of social bonds as the jews >Women for all of human history have happily embraced their role press x to doubt. balance between the masculine and feminine is impossible without the type of equality I'm talking about. one that respects differences (encouraging women to stay in the home etc.) without using them as an excuse for fundamentally unjustifiable imbalances
>>10460 >and like any government if it becomes tyrannical it will disintegrate And yet, families in the past were a thousand times more stable than they're today under your doctrine. That's just feel good bullshit that's fed to the masses of uncritical cattle as a way to legitimize the regime. If you think your government today is any less "tyrannical" than in any other time in human history, you might just be functionally retarded. >please read some child psychology Psychology is literally a jewish pseudoscience.
>>10461 the development of capitalism after centuries of relatively stable social structures is absolutely part of the disintegration of the family. but the point I'm trying to make is that feminism wouldn't be so appealing if it weren't for some very real inequalities. I think it's kneejerk and foolish to act like every single "modern" idea is bad. strong families and women's rights are absolutely compatible. we just need to give women some actual reasons to care about preserving our culture. if we allow ourselves to be just as bad if not worse than abrahamists then we can hardly blame people for succumbing to atheism and degeneracy >Psychology is literally a jewish pseudoscience. psychoanalysis is a jewish pseudoscience, psychology is way too broad of a term to write off that easily. every religion contains aspects of psychology, i.e. understanding how environment affects the mind. now in the abrahamism the focus is mostly on brainwashing but the dharmic religions seem a lot more enlightened on the topic
>>10464 Inequalities are good. It's correct and accurate to treat unequal things unequally. Your way of thinking is an irrational abomination and that's why it won't exist much longer one way or the other. Women's rights are just part of the jewish Frankfurt plan to destroy western society for their personal gain. The reason why it was attractive is because it was designed to be, like all forms of propaganda. The only way to correct it is not by acquiescing and making concessions to it but rather by purging the jew and his venomous bile from all parts of public life.. Most studies in psychology cannot be replicated. It's entirely pseudoscience. You're obviously a leftist faggot/wahman with a very wrong understanding of reality.
>>10445 >No one is saying that you should be able to beat and abuse your wife Then maybe you shouldn't respond with "unironically" when someone accuses you of supporting abuse. You are also attacking domestic violence laws and are calling them all retarded instead of attacking the specific laws that prevent a man from chastising his wife and children, which only makes suspicious that you want domestic abuse to be legal. Your wording is poorly chosen. >women rights Stopped reading right here. "Rights" are retarded and giving women any of them will only lead us back to square one. If women want strong families, then they have to forget about muh independence and be willing to establish one with the concern of only becoming a good mother and wife.
>>10471 >Then maybe you shouldn't respond with "unironically" when someone accuses you of supporting abuse That was responding to a shitpost with a shitpost, the lines that follow and the larger context make things clear as day though. The poster clearly strawmanned me here >>10411, as the short of severe harm this poster has in mind is quite literally condemned here >>10395 and by another anon here >>10391. And right after my shitpost of 'unironically yes' I continue down the same line of rhetoric which deals with chastisement not beating, which I have never supported. The other poster just couldn't help but take things literally and see what was being discussed in the surrounding context. Now it might be true that the wording was poor, I will concede that. But then I never attacked all domestic violence laws as bad, the intent was to be specific, as one might be able to gather from here >>10458 where in the post I clearly condemn any sort of oversteps done by the one anon's family in the past, and remark that this sort of stuff is allowed to go unchecked because of the isolated and atomized state of modern families where this stuff can be covered up. This is the one that actually has the worst wording and needed more explanation. >women rights I didn't use that pozzed term.
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>>10460 >I don't think "aryan traditional norms" are the end all be all That's because you are a liberal and a crypto-anarchist in rebellion against Natural Law. You posting a meme about Bakunin only solidifies this. >gender imbalances were not an advantage to our ancestors in the fight against christianity <to fight the subversion give into the subversion Amazing. >your dismissal of any attempt at psychological analysis and empathy as jewry is also pathetic cope Psychoanalysis is literally Jewish. It's derived from Talmudic methods of analysis, and this is quite literally admitted by Jews. Look it up. No clue what you are talking about when you start saying I dismiss empathy either. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/judaism-and-psychology/ >I've barely read any psychoanalysis, I'm just speaking from personal experience. You've clearly been brainwashed afterwards and have interpreted past experiences through the lens of Jewish psychoanalytic methods, even if you were unaware. This happens quite a lot in our society. Many people, for example, are oblivious to the fact that their secular platitudes are derived from Christianity. > you're an incel, not a nationalist <if you're not a feminist you're an incel! Not helping your case here. >and like any government if it becomes tyrannical it will disintegrate. Families were healthier in the past under patriarchal control, your argument falls flat. Plus women are more miserable and mentally-ill than ever. You've given zero good reasons why 'muh imbalances' and 'muh inequality' is bad. >>10464 >I think it's kneejerk and foolish to act like every single "modern" idea is bad. The vast majority of them are quite literally bad and destructive to human societies. It's not kneejerk and its not contrarianism. It's just true. >strong families and women's rights are absolutely compatible No. The family unraveled because of them.
>>10460 This entire post is Judaic nonsense. I mean statements like >gender imbalances were not an advantage to our ancestors in the fight against christianity. are huge red-flags to expose yourself as a normalfag. Our ancestors lost against Christianity, because they were mislead due to Christcucks destroying our traditions and norms. No one here is asking for a war on women, but suggesting that we treat them as equal and that inequality does not matter are things jewess and feminist preach.
>>10450 Disagreeing on word choice isn't disagreement at all. >>10455 Having the threat of violence hanging over ones head? are you just a coward, seriously? Violence and the threat of it are the only way you create the bonds you speak of here, the only way societies are created, and that is a Law of Nature, you don't like that threat of violence? please go kill yourself right now, you will be of no use to anyone whatsoever. >please read some child psychology and process your own trauma so you don't feel the need to make up for your own low self-esteem by mistreating people weaker than you. What mistreatment? and what trauma? If I come to your house take your woman and taking her to my Tribal lands, I then make her mine, is that wrong? will that woman and the children of mine that she produces be somehow wrong? >men are supposed to protect women and children not beat them. Sometimes protection requires violence, if you have not the heart for violence you have not the heart to live. >the sexes are supposed to stick together against the other, black and muslim feminists understand this, not everyone who identifies with that label is a dried up White woman with purple hair The sexes don't stick together when the mans authority is questioned, if this authority must be backed by violence to cease questioning, it will be. No feminist, be she black muslim or fucking Dravidian, understands the natural order or her place in it, this is just patently retarded, and I can't believe you said it.
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>>10486 >No one here is asking for a war on women, Very true. To keep pushing this narrative that women were historically impressed and mere slaves to men is a Jewish one, even if this anon is posting what he does out of the best of intentions. The Jew works by D&C. They want men and women to hate and resent one another and for them to flaunt their natural roles, they want the younger and older generations to war among themselves ever wedge issues and Jewish-created narratives, and they want the different classes of society to fight each other as well, and so on and so on. The Dharmic / Natural Law answer to this is of course to repudiate such divisions, to recognize that they naturally exist, and to harmonize them together into a greater, well-functioning Whole. Men and women are absolutely interdependent, complementary and valuable in their own unique ways, but the role of the woman is one that is clearly defined.
>>10499 >They want men and women to hate and resent one another and for them to flaunt their natural roles, they want the younger and older generations to war among themselves ever wedge issues and Jewish-created narratives, and they want the different classes of society to fight each other as well, and so on and so on. Agree, and this is something that rightoids and leftoids accomplish by becoming the pawn of our global elites who seek to divide and conquer us and keep the fertility rates as low as possible. I have no intentions of treating women as I would men, but it's not as if I support a degenerate form of male supremacy and think they can do whatever they please which is a dumb as feminism. Natural roles were the norm and uptmost important to our ancestors. The Greeks and Romans were patriarchal, but it was not in the sense that jewess lie and project nor what MGTOW and incels fantasize.
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Anyone read this?
>>10515 No, I've never heard of the book until now. I can't find much information about the author either.
>>10517 I just came across it a few minutes ago. I had never heard of it or this guy before either. I will have to look at the preview of it and see what's going on in it. It looks solid from the description, at the very least.
>>10519 (samefagging) Looking through the preview, it looks better than a lot of the pagan books that I have seen, but the style that it is written in is a little weird. It seems a bit too casual at times. I'm not sure about what he says about Zoroastrianism as well. He seems to caste some suspicion on it, more than seems warranted. If I had shekels I'd probably buy it though. Also a good reminder that I have to write my own book on paganism still.
>>10520 >Also a good reminder that I have to write my own book on paganism still. How's that coming along?
>>10522 I have roughly 15,000 words worth of material laying around in various files on my computer. Most of it is up to date with what I think, but some of it would need tweaking, rewriting and expansion. If I were to seriously start putting work into it though, I have no idea how long it would get. It would be a sort of grand synthesis of Aryan wisdom, deconstruction of modernity, Abrahamism and its myths, a integral vision of Dharmic societies and esoteric content. Both /fascist/, /x/ and schizo-tier from what I have laying around on my computer. I keep putting it off though because I think the deeper spiritual realizations I get before really tackling it will result in a better and more worthwhile work.
>>10526 Is the best medium for it firmly a book or would the finished product benefit from it being a collection of posts on a personal site that're then refined and expanded into a book? Would be interesting to see anons sharing their thoughts on personal sites.
>>10538 Definitely a good question. Most likely if I were to make something like that I'd just dump it online in a PDF somewhere. I wouldn't sell it on Amazon or other kiked sites to give them money. Money isn't even worth it for stuff like this. Redpilling people is worth more than money, as far as I'm concerned. We need more good blogs or sites though. A lot of the ones around now are pozzed, or filled with half-truths, especially when it comes to Aryan paganism.
Women in Aryan societies are not kept as slaves. They are kept from having freedom and are protected by the males of their family. They are much like children, in this case. Just as children are legal dependents on their parents for their own good, so should women be on their fathers, or their husbands, in order to keep them safe and away from degeneracy.
>>10563 Women are kept as slaves, or did you miss that our race has always taken warbrides?
>>10568 Taking some woman as a war-bride =/= keeping a woman as a chattel slave. Plus Stockholm Syndrome kicks in eventually and she'll willfully be your wife. Just think of the Rape of the Sabine Women.
>>10569 Yeah that's what I was thinking of.
>>10572 Yeah there's no problem with that practice. When society inevitably collapses, most women will inevitably be forced to prostitute themselves for survival, or they will be raped and killed by shitskins, so most women would count themselves lucky if they became a White man's war-bride. I know I'd take one for myself if the situation came to it. Either that or a nigger will do the same.
>>10569 >Taking some woman as a war-bride =/= keeping a woman as a chattel slave. Stop LARPing on the internet and thinking that you're going to take some chick as a war-bride. Also you're wrong, 99% of the time, men often take numerous females as literal sex slaves when going to war. You faggots are so god-damn lame that I can also sense the nerdy glasses off you losers, talking about cumbrain nonsense such as this. Shut the fuck up and take your stupid shit to /pol/.
>>10595 Were the Romans also cumbrained by this logc? Let’s be real—you even say it yourself—this happens during wars and conflicts, and will happen whether anons here actually leave their basements or not when shit hits the fan inevitably within the next few decades or so. Women are prime targets to be seized by armed men. Sounds like LARPing to say it now, but when society implodes, we’ll all be proved right.
I follow Asatru now. I think Jesus was a good person and an Israelite, not like a contemporary jew. But I still hear the call of the warrior and of my ancestors and follow Asatru. I believe adolf Hitler to be the physical embodiment of Wotan himself.
>>10772 Based, nice to hear that you're on the right path. What sorts of practices are you doing, anon?
>>10775 I’m still a noob at this but one thing I’ve been doing is sacrificing stuff so Wotan can help me further. I pray that “Wotan I will give up alcohol completely, please help me to reach my goal”. I need more resources on wotanism though cuz it’s hard to find. I do have the Poetic Edda so that’s a good starting point. If you have any recommendations that’d be cool too
>>10596 >Were the Romans cumbrains Yes they were and that's why their civilization failed due to mix-racing. Tired of you dumbasses.
>>10782 They bolstered their population by stealing the women of a neighboring tribe of the same race. There is nothing wrong with this, and it is not cumbrained either. This was a foundational act that propelled them eventually to greatness. You are just of a domesticated modern mindset.
Anyone else here read the Nibelungenlied? I read Mowatt's translation. It's vaguely like a mediaeval Germanic ''Iliad', but without religion and mythology, if anyone's interested. archive*org/search.php?query=nibelungenlied&and[]=languageSorter%3A%22English%22
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>>10784 Check out the Germanic pagan reading list. I wouldn't pay attention to much to the suggested order given here, just read what seems interesting. Poetic Edda is a good start. Make sure to check out the Hávamál and Rígsþula in there, those are some of the best. Tacitus' Germania is also good.
>>10794 Thanks. Jesus doesn’t want Whites to follow the path of the Aryan warrior I don’t think. From now on, the park of the warrior is all I will follow. Currently reading hagakure. Yeah it’s Japanese but has some incredible insight into the samurai and warrior mindset
>>10797 Jesus was teaching the path of the sage. It is not a wrong path, per se, but it is not the path that will protect a people from their enemies. This is why all Aryan peoples had a complex division of society into different kinds, so as to give space to the sage, and to the warrior, etc. And the Hagakure is a great read, that's a good choice.
>>10784 >They bolstered their population by stealing the women of a neighboring tribe of the same race That's a myth that you want to believe in faggot. Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that you aren't some revolutionary chad, but just a dumb LARPer. Hitler didn't need to steal women to make accomplishments, he won the hearts of women and men and became a true revolutionary compared to some loser who won't shut up a about an entirely different scenario and situation that we are in.
>>10997 Have you not heard of the Abduction of the Sabine Women? This is not even an obscure piece of Roman history, and is amply depicted in art and even on Roman coins. No one ‘wants’ to believe in, it literally happened, so whether one ‘wants’ to or not is irrelevant. >Hitler didn't need to steal women to make accomplishments, It’s almost like Hitler was came to power in an existing society populated by millions of people already. There is nothing wrong with stealing the women of your opponents. Might is right.
>>11002 >It’s almost like Hitler was came to power in an existing society populated by millions of people already. There are still millions of Whites today, so you're LARP is unnecessary and you're just admitting that none of you are charismatic or smart enough to convince people to reproduce lol. >There is nothing wrong with stealing the women of your opponents. Yes there is and you're actually retarded. imagine stealing a jewess and then producing a jew, you're only creating your own enemy. You must be that same cumbrain who recommended an anon anime porn.
>>11037 >There are still millions of Whites today, so you're LARP is unnecessary I never claimed that it was vital and necessary either. Also there were probably millions of Whites on the Italian peninsula back even when Rome was founded. It’s not sheer numbers that matters, it’s whether your incipient society has a severe gender imbalance or not. You’re acting very much like a woman when you attack me and other posters by implying that we are incapable of reproducing by other means. This is irrelevant. What will happen will happen. *If* there aren’t enough White women in a community in the future after shit hits the fan, you and your buddies take what you need for wives. >imagine stealing a jewess and then producing a jew, you're only creating your own enemy. <thinking anyone is talking about non-Whites ITT Imagine thinking that the first men of Rome were cumbrains, or that any of the great conquerors of the past were either.
>>10772 >I think Jesus was a good person and an Israelite, not like a contemporary jew. Christcuck detected.
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>>12095 >Random quotes out of nowhere >no source for said quote Are you dumb? Do you realize that Himmler was against Christianity as well? He made speeches and was far more radical than Hitler on wanting to exterminate it to "rid of a plague that molests the German people". http://www.renegadetribune.com/himmler-vs-hitler-christianity/
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>>12108 Someone found the source for it in the other thread: >>11495. All we need to do now is have someone access the archives and prove that the quote is real. I am almost positive that it is, as no high ranking member of the Third Reich that I am aware of (esp. among the pagans) is on record saying anything negative against Jesus as a person. Alfred Rosenberg does the same sort of stuff in his works, and Hitler's is on record in Table Talk as well as Mein Kampf making positive statements about Jesus despite clearly not being a Christian. They recognized he had value outside of the religion that was grafted onto him. Even Savitri Devi holds similar views.
>>12108 >The most significant idea Hitler grasped was the confirmation that Jesus was not a Jew. He wasn’t. Mary, His mother, was a Galilean, and the Galileans descended from the Gauls, a Keltic nation. Jesus’s mother’s husband Joseph may have descended from King David, but Joseph was not Jesus’s biological father; God was. This is what your link states. It was specifically stated within the bible that he is a Jew. This is a lie fed by the British Israelites, so Renegade are autistic for this perspective. >>12111 >Even Savitri Devi holds similar views. No she didn't, Devi denied that Jesus ever existed and claimed that the birth of Christianity was actually from Saint Paul. >I am almost positive that it is, as no high ranking member of the Third Reich that I am aware of (esp. among the pagans) is on record saying anything negative against Jesus as a person. And how is it that you do not see that as a problem? Let's say you are correct, then this would only fill in one of the major reasons for why the Third Reich lost the war and failed to transform Germany into the Ubermensch. This blindness is likely what continued and prevented Europeans to fully accept a true Aryan/eternal truth worldview. I think the only reason why any 20th century pagan could ever like Jesus was because they were not told of Jesus' true origins and lied to on how he and the Israelites were White/Aryan. Jesus' entire story was about the reformation to eliminate the degeneracy of the "new Jews". Christianity and their claim that the old Jews were good is either a cope or misunderstanding that they were about the same as they are today, only they weren't secular. Jesus was not a good person for he was a supremacist for Judaism and he specifically shits on gentiles/goys as "filthy and demonic" and his ways are incompatible with Aryanism. Your line of thinking is the same thought that lead to the take over of Northern Europe by the kikes, because Astaru believers venerated Jesus as a close ancestor and/or great teacher which lead to the isolation of those who rejected kikery and then the Northern Crusades to put nail in the coffin for Northern Paganism.. This board has way too many shills and, yes you are one of them.
>>12111 Hitler didn't exactly use the word "Jesus". Among countless anti-Christian stances he made some passing references to "Christ" which in NS worldview has an entirely different context. The idea of a 'crucified' dying and resurrecting god is far older than the cult of rabbi Yehoshua. Jesus =/= Christ.
>>12126 >Devi denied that Jesus ever existed Now you're just making things up. Have you even read a single word that Savitri Devi wrote? The Lightning and the Sun <In a way, taking into account the fundamental difference between the two creeds, one could set his motto of “life it Truth” in parallel with Jesus Christ’s well-known sole commandment of love towards one’s neighbours which is the same as love towards God, the spirit of which Saint Augustine expressed most adequately in his laconic and forciful sentence: “Love! — and do whatever you please!” Akhnaton, —like Jesus Christ, a Man “above Time”; a Solar Being in the full sense of the word, — could well have said: “There is but one Law: to live in Truth, holding all forms of falsehood in abomination. Stick to Truth — and do whatever you please!” <His only alternative to that was either to turn from this earth or to impose his Golden Age Teaching by means of violence; to seek for himself and for others a way out of earthly conditions altogether, as the Buddha was to, some nine hundred years later; to live and act in this world without at all feeling bound to it, saying — like Jesus Christ was to, one day, — ”My Kingdom is not of this earth,” or else to become a man “against Time,” and to fight dispassionately for the triumph of his timeless Truth on earth with the only weapons that work within the bondage of Time, and specially within the Dark Age: fear, — terror — and occasionally bribery; intelligent, discriminate bribery, and well-conducted terror. <Peace is not the law of action in a fallen world. One has either to accept violence — the condition of any development in Time, — and to fight, with the methods of the fallen world, against that world, and “against Time,” for a Golden Age ideal, or to project that ideal “outside” this visible and tangible earth, according to the words of Jesus of Nazareth “My Kingdom is not of this world” (and the words of the Christian hymn: “This world is not our home...”1) which express the attitude of all men essentially “above Time,” with the one outstanding exception of Akhnaton, King of Egypt. <That inborn reluctance to wanton violence is a trait common to all those whom I have called men “above Time” (such as King Akhnaton, the Buddha, or Jesus Christ) and to the great fighters “against Time,” Founders of new religious and cultural eras, such as Lord Krishna or, nearer to our times, the Prophet Mahomet, the only men with whom Adolf Hitler can be compared if one feels at all the necessity of drawing historical parallels. <Christ (be he a man and a myth, or only a myth, it makes no difference) is, like the Buddha, a figure typically “above Time.” His one resort to violence (against the merchants in the temple) is either a personal inconsistency of the historical Jesus or — more likely — a concession of the Gospel writer to popular hatred of the money-maker and money-lender. Original Christianity — in striking opposition to historical Christianity —finds its expression in Christ’s words to Pilate: “My Kingdom is not of this earth.” Here's a real kicker - <I personally look upon Jesus Christ, whose race is uncertain, to say the least; and teaching, anything but Jewish, as a man “above Time,” and upon the Prophet Mohamed, (who, contrarily to him, dreamed of a new Order of justice on earth, and used violence to establish it) as a man “against Time.” No really great Leaders of that type can share with fallen humanity a belief contradicting the harmonious indivisibility of Creation. It is, however, not Jesus Christ but Paul of Tarsus who gave Christianity its impulse as a conquering religion, and Christendom its historical character as a community “in Time,” exploiting (in disfiguring it, and adapting it to Dark Age conditions) a doctrine originally “above Time,” intended for small groups of unworldly devotees, never for the questionable “faithful” of a Church numbering millions. As she says, Jesus is an archetypal man above time.
>>12131 Again, Hitler was not a Christian, but he certainly had positive things to say about Jesus. It has nothing to do with any dogmas like crucifixion or resurrection or high-flung Christian theology. This is clear from a reading of Mein Kampf, where the mentions are sporadic. Even in Table Talk two decades later he has the same attitude. >his blindness is likely what continued and prevented Europeans to fully accept a true Aryan/eternal truth worldview Jesus basically taught the same shit as the Buddha, Apollonius of Tyana, Socrates and other Aryan sages across time. It's hard to swallow, but it's true. Jesus was half-Jew at absolute most, but it's funny if you think that many of the things that he and Paul preached weren't already seen as core virtues in Europe for quite some time beforehand. This idea that 'le true Aryan worldview' was some sort of Nietzschean fantasy, or something like Thrasymachus and Callicles preached is just bunk.
>>12140 Savitri Devi was also a race-mixer and a former Christian like most NatSocs who falsely claim that Jesus was a great person. Do you think that these people are gods or something? They're simply wrong and we can see it clear as day. >>12142 >Jesus basically taught the same shit as the Buddha No he didn't, don't lie, Jesus taught nothing similar to Buddha, his teachings were the ways of the Israelite. He still affirmed that Jews should be supreme, while Buddhists affirmed that Aryans were masters. >Jesus was half-Jew at absolute most, Read the bible and any references to who the Galileans were. It makes it clear that he was of Jewish origin. It makes it clear with Matthew 3: 7-9, Matthew 5:17 , John 8: 30-47 “ that he is ethnically and spiritually a kike. You are literally praising someone of Jewish origin. Now you're making excuses for someone who despises Aryans/Whites, funny that the Savitri Devi quote was the only thing that you had as a counter-argument. > This idea that 'le true Aryan worldview' was some sort of Nietzschean fantasy And there it is, this alone exposes you as a stupid kike. The Aryans were the followers of the eternal truth, while Abrahamics are supporters of dynamic truths. And it is clear as day when you look at how the Aryans always talk about enlightenment and straying off path, while the kikes only care about enslaving mankind and follow the ways of "oneness". Go back /pol/.
>>12155 >Savitri Devi was also a race-mixer and a former Christian like most NatSocs who falsely claim that Jesus was a great person. Do you think that these people are gods or something? They're simply wrong and we can see it clear as day. Why are you lying about one of the great thinkers of our movement? Do you think Hitler was a rug-chewing incestuous meth-head too? <Savitri Devi’s encounter with Mukherji was a pivotal event in her life. She had at long last found a pan-Aryan activist who shared her belief in the Aryan revival of India. He was to become her husband. With the outbreak of war in September 1939, her position as a Greek passport holder in Calcutta became problematic. As a Hindu Mission lecturer, she was known to the British authorities as an alien with Nazi sympathies and ran a clear risk of deportation or detention. In early 1940 Mukherji had therefore proposed that they marry in order that she become the wife of a British subject and so remain at liberty. It was, she claims, not a romantic match but one based on their cordial friendship and shared ideals. Straight from >>12079. You slander her as a race-mixer despite all the evidence to the contrary, and they you have the chutzpah to call me a kike.
>>12179 Why are you ignoring the obvious circumstances of her marriage and the fact that it was merely of convenience and that she left India and him behind rather quickly? Fuck off, shill
>>12165 >Why are you lying about one of the great thinkers of our movement? This isn't a lie you moron, her husband was a pajeet, I don't care what books she wrote, she still married someone outside of her own race proving she failed and was only more than willing to downplay the importance of marriage and only being in a close relationship with fellow Aryans. Also emphasis on "thinker", that's all she was. Her pan-Aryanism likely included non-Whites, because she never called the Hindupoos to serve Whites Aryans, excluding the Anglos. >You slander her as a race-mixer despite all the evidence to the contrary She considered her husband to be Aryan, I doubt she never slept with him, also the claim she had a caste relationship is only underhand information. >>12181 >Why are you ignoring the obvious circumstances of her marriage and the fact that it was merely of convenience and that she left India and him behind rather quickly? Because what type of based Aryan marries a Pajeet for mere politics that were never succeeding in the first place? >Fuck off shill Nice samefag, but are we forgetting that you are downplaying "Aryan perspective" like a kike?
>>12179 Could go either way but it's possible he was friendzoned and only used for the citizenship. Unless someone has way more info.
I'm totally the shill, because I didn't agree with one celeb, while the other nigger here is trying to call Jesus a "based" Jew and saying dumb shit such as >he and Paul preached weren't already seen as core virtues in Europe for quite some time beforehand. This idea that 'le true Aryan worldview' was some sort of Nietzschean fantasy, or something like Thrasymachus and Callicles preached is just bunk. Kill yourself unironically.
>>12183 >mere politics that were never succeeding in the first place? And yet you claim to not be a shill while saying stuff like this.
>>12181 >>12187 These are both me btw before some says I’m purposefully IP hopping
>>12142 >This idea that 'le true Aryan worldview' Hello Jew, first the QTDDTOT thread and now you're taking your wrong hot takes here? The Aryan worldview is objective and pertains by the eternal truth. I think you should just admit you are a christcuck, because there are no truths that Jesus teaches other than the importance of purity, but that's if you exclude the stuff he said about goys. >>12184 We only know so far that she did not support race-mixing and believed that Europeans were the original Aryans and not the Indians who we wuz. I doubt she slept with him, because her husband shared similar views on race and pan-Aryanism as she did. >>12187 >And yet you claim to not be a shill while saying stuff like this. Except it is true, she failed to gather Hindu nationalists and her talk of pan-Aryanism lead to the British Empire downplaying the pipeline between Hindus and NatSoc. At this point, the word shill has become a buzzword. Stating a fact does not make you a shill. >>12155 Savitri did not race-mix and never had. >>12189 >These are both me btw before some says I’m purposefully IP hopping Nice damage-control.
>>10772 Hitler was not Wotan, and "Wotan" prefers Ođinn or Othinn. Jesus didn't fucking exist and as an Aryan you should spit upon that very concept of a "good Jew" also an Israelite is a Jew, Before modern times and the days of Nation-States divirced from race Nation = Raceand it did in Rome.
>>12192 >she failed to gather Hindu nationalists and her talk of pan-Aryanism lead to the British Empire downplaying the pipeline between Hindus and NatSoc Lmao the fuck is she trying to do by gathering a bunch of pooeaters? This shit right here is why women should've never been in politics. If it was a man in there, he would have tried to gas the shitskins in pooindia for daring to say they're "aryan". Dravidian scumbags.
>>12219 Hitler worked together with Subhas Chandra Bose, retard. You know nothing about politics outside of 4/pol/.
>>12232 >Hitler worked together with Subhas Chandra Bose, retard. Yes, he did. I think what is different this time around is that Indians are fully on board with the mass invasion of Western countries, specifically the United States where they form a core part of the anti-White jewish occupation government and body politic moving forward. I can't really see any of Indian/Hindu arguments at this point as anything other than attempts to mentally disarm Europeans and European-Americans for later harm.
>>13488 I don't think anyone has radically changed from 100 years ago. The key factor is better technology, wealth gaps, and Indians wanting better living standards and more money. It's only following their self-interest. The problem is that Jews and anti-White governments let them in despite us having no obligation to do so. Nothing inherently wrong with Indians.
>>13540 I'm not disputing that they are following their self-interest, I'm saying that their self-interest runs counter to the interests of Europeans and especially European-Americans and has far too much overlap with the present ZOG. Latent anti-White resentment from colonialism, a civilizational struggle against Islam, balance of power problems with an ascendant China.
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>>13543 I guess the real question would be whether any of those factors you mentioned such as balance of power problems with China or with the struggle against Islam could be used to good benefit in any sort of future nationalist politics, especially if the more fascistic elements in India were to ever come to power. The Jews fear Hindutva. All of this said, of course, domestic White concerns must always come before foreign policy.
>>13547 >I guess the real question would be whether any of those factors you mentioned such as balance of power problems with China or with the struggle against Islam could be used to good benefit in any sort of future nationalist politics They all reinforce and animate the postwar imperial paradigm that is driving European genocide, so I don't think so. Swapping China out for India as the trade deficit sink, like ZOG is trying to do right now, does not benefit Europeans or European-Americans. Directing resources and labor hours, which should be nationalized and socialized for the benefit of Europeans and European-Americans exclusively, to prop up India against neighboring Islamic states does not benefit Europeans or European-Americans. >The Jews few Hindutva They clearly don't. Hindus are prioritized over any other immigrant group for entry into core ZOG territories [the Anglosphere]. They are trusted to manage the technology sector and staff the surveillance state. They are ZOG's ideal bulwark against both White resistance and potential unreliability of other non-White groups.
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>>13549 >Swapping China out for India as the trade deficit sink, like ZOG is trying to do right now, does not benefit Europeans or European-Americans Of course not. That would not be the nature of any future relations with them. The goal for White countries anyway must be self-reliance as much as is possible. If we cannot function independently of the global web of nations, we will be subsumed in it. It is the current world economy that is in part providing the tools of White genocide and cultural erosion, both partially formed by and exploited by the Jews as a weapon against us and all other peoples. >They clearly don't. Hindus are prioritized over any other immigrant group for entry into core ZOG territories [the Anglosphere] You're confusing Hindus with Hindutva. Hindutva is something very specific, i.e. Hindu nationalists / Hindu fundamentalists (not a fan of this word, but it makes things a bit clearer here). That they link it for some inexplicable reason with 'White supremacy' in the second poster in the previous post is telling in itself. The news reporting about these people is routinely negative, because they are viewed as 'Islamophobic', perpetuating 'casteism' and wanting to stop the efforts of Abrahamic missionaries in their lands.
>>13551 >You're confusing Hindus with Hindutva. Hindutva is something very specific, i.e. Hindu nationalists / Hindu fundamentalists (not a fan of this word, but it makes things a bit clearer here). That they link it for some inexplicable reason with 'White supremacy' in the second poster in the previous post is telling in itself. The news reporting about these people is routinely negative, because they are viewed as 'Islamophobic', perpetuating 'casteism' and wanting to stop the efforts of Abrahamic missionaries in their lands. Ok, I'll look more into it. Maybe it's like a China situation where they think their example will give Whitey bad ideas.
>>13547 The Jew will attack any nationalist movement (except when temporary useful to his plans), if Whites were gone tomorrow they would apply the same tactics against poos, chinks and others.
>>13551 >That they link it for some inexplicable reason with 'White supremacy' in the second poster in the previous post is telling in itself. They tipped their hand. In their actions they all but say, "we believe this is a legitimate path from bondage to truth." And then you have the this book Arctic Home in the Vedas, the which ties the "Indo" Aryan to the Hyperborean/Polar Aryan thus uniting Aesir worship with (noble) Hindu worship. Interestingly enough there is also parallels in Vedic (jyotish) astrology between Venus & the domain of Asgard. <Venus has a talent that not even Jupiter possesses: he can raise the dead, with the help of the Sanjivini vidya. This is why Venus is the mightiest of all the planets. He is the guru of the asuras, who serve him night and day because he uses the Sanjivini Vidya to resuscitate those of them who fall in their battles with the gods. <Venus's capabilities are simply indescribable in full. He is acclaimed in all the three worlds because his power is astounding and his heroism unparalleled. <Shiva also taught Venus the Sanjivini Vidya, which is otherwise known only to Shiva, His wife Parvati, and Their two sons Ganesha and Skanda. In addition, Shiva named Venus the best of the planets and told him that his rise in the sky would inaugurate the performance of all auspicious rituals. >Dr Robert E. Svoboda - Greatness of Saturn, the ~ A Therapeutic Myth Nota bene that the most literal translation for Shiva is the auspicious one, whom gifts this immortal prize to Venus, but this would also apply to Venus' heirs, or the Vesuvian race. Hyperborean's in are reputed to have "rode green lightning through the lens of Venus" to arrive on Earth. The Aryan's are born of Frejya/Frigga (the Germanic astrological term for Venus the planetary body as the wife of Odin) in the heavens. To they then called Celestial Hyperboreans some of the most daring heroes descended down to Earth, the most conductive spot was the North Pole, they founded the Terrestial kingdom referenced in the Vedic scripts assembled in file 1, for ease of languishing called Terrestial Hyperborea, or just Hyperborea (in a more Greek understanding of Apollo and his 19 year sojourns there and back). There is also a lot of celestial dramas about how after the fall of the heaven in the ancient days (Treta yuga?) some of the gods, became ignoble and arrogant warranting a war within heaven and the creation of a distinction between latter born gods of Deva and Asura, however as the ages cycle again and again there are many times in Vedic lore in which Asura's where the righteous one's resisting corrupt Deva's or vise versa. Also Asura/Deva in a post-divide divine-lineage context would just be a hereditary title, a soul resonance, or magic of spirit and how that power is expressed, depends on the individual. This is also mythologically supported in the Vedas by the son of the great demon (here used to denote malice compared to benevolence in action) Hiranyakashipu, who's own unmaking was due to his son's devotion to a principle higher than the father. >The Jews few Hindutva Yes.
>>13552 >Ok, I'll look more into it. A lot of the information about these types of groups in the West is very kiked. The RSS is one thing to look into though. Even today they have some 5 million or so members, if i am recalling correctly. >>13556 Definitely true. The Jew is against all non-Jews ultimately. Non-Whites become their golems and instruments in the struggle against Whites, but they are just that - golems. They don't really like them.
>>13560 >The Jew is against all non-Jews ultimately <Amalek is everywhere It's OK to be Amalek
>>13568 Specifically, Amalek seems to be understood as Western Europeans. This is why we can find Holocaust memorials that say to remember what Amalek has done, and why they must be annihilated. If that isn’t a declaration of intent, I don’t know what is. Outside of Amalek, there is just normal animal-souled goyim.
>>13568 >>13601 In my opinion I think it's important to use "Whites" instead of the more inclusive term "non-jews". It gives the lessers some form or validity. Plus, saying "non-jews" make it look like it's jews vs everybody else. When you remove the second blindfold, you'll realize it's White people battling against everyone not White. White people are the main characters and the rest of "them" are all NPCs. All the niggers, kikes, spics, chinks, abos. Whatever. There must be no opportunity for one of them to see themselves as one of us.
>>13619 It's not entirely black and White, but neither are you entirely wrong. It's a complex picture we are facing. On the one hand, it does often feel like Jews against non-Jews. But then on the other hand, large masses of non-Jews are directly under the control of Jews, White and non-White alike, and especially non-White. Some groups resist the Jew more or less though that are non-White - Iran, Syria, North Korea, Afghanistan, etc. These need not be enemies. It is Zionist foreign policy here which is largely leading to enmity. Any future Fascist government would be wise to cooperate with these states. But then on the other hand, it is completely true that ultimately Whites (like other groups) seek their own interests, sometimes struggling against others, other times working in conjunction with them. They are not us, but to see them all as simply hopeless pawns of the Jew is a very simplistic way to see it. Some groups absolutely are. American niggers for example are born and bred golems for the Jew. >White people are the main characters and the rest of "them" are all NPCs 95% of humans in any group are NPCs, let's be real. There are only a few million non-NPC Whites on this planet.
>>13628 >95% of humans in any group are NPCs, let's be real It's not a linear distribution. The Whiter you are, the more likely you are to not be an NPC. That's why kikes push miscegenation so much, they even push niggers on some already brown/mutt races to make them more subhuman. For example, if by default the ratio of NPC's to PC's would be 70-30 among Whites, it would be about 90-10 among asians or 99-1 among negroes. And those smaller percentages could never actualize themselves among other non-Whites
>>13695 Whites are smarter on average, however that does not neccessarily correlate with not being an NPC. One can be very intelligent and still be an NPC, as unbelievable as it may sound. Most Whites today demonstrate their NPC status in how they prop up the system, love democracy, liberalism, egalitarianism and other system-imposed ideas, and would never lift a hand without their masters. It’s absurd to claim that more Whites are playable characters than in other races when Whites have been turned into one of the most cucked groups on the planet.
>>13696 I didn't imply it was about intelligence. Simply, the less White you are, the closer to an animal you are, and thus are more controlled by your biological programming. Modern Whites are not a good example since Jews have been trying to turn them into NPC's for countless centuries, that's why I wrote "by default". Likewise, a non-White PC who would otherwise just suffer and rot in his non-supportive natural environment (surrounded with other non-Whites), might thrive in a White environment. While not entirely exclusive, it's far from being equal among the races.
>>13696 >One can be very intelligent and still be an NPC I would argue that "NPCs" are not, because they are blind to any truths period. They only know how to shill and fufill their master's wishes and goals. >>13547 >The Jews fear Hindutva. They don't, Hindutvas are zionists.
>>13717 >Hindutvas are zionists The one flaw, really. They are so driven by their (justified) hatred of Muslims, that they fall into the Zionist trap.
opinions on Ariosophy/Arminism
>>13796 theosophy and traditionalism both seem like crypto-jewry to me but I read von list and he was interesting enough. I'm always skeptical of people who try to project monotheism onto ancient polytheistic cultures
>>13821 The thing is that atheistic scholars want us to think that religion developed through various stages, e.g. it started out as a naïve personification of natural forces, or animism, and then developed into polytheism, and then monism, and then monotheism before eventually collapsing into some absurd nightmare which haunts existentialist philosophers. The redpill here is that this neat little naturalistic developmental scheme is that it just never happened, otherwise we’re admitting that 99% of humans who have ever lived have been totally astray off of some sort of ‘cognitive error’ that has gradually (d)evolved over time. The ancients, as usually, were far more advanced they we were. They understood these things. Monotheism and polytheism are terms which only make sense within an Abrahamist-centric outlook, which is no surprise since it began in the West. The entity described in monotheism is completely different from the entities of polytheism. Confusing the two is a massive category error. Both can exist simultaneously, and indeed did in the minds of ancient Aryans. This is best seen in Vedic religion even from the time of the Upanishads. Interestingly as well Socrates quite often refers to the gods, but also refers to ‘God’ as well from time-to-time. Some later equated the his Form of the Good with the One, and with God. The last words of pagan mystic Plotinus are particularly interesting: <Strive to bring back the god in yourselves to the God in the All Really, many Greek and Roman philosophers refer to God and the gods quite often. Cicero comes to mind. Marcus Aurelius I believe as well. Xenophanes is another good example from the pre-Socratic Greeks
>>13830 it's hilarious how people seem to believe we're so much more advanced than the ancients. that may be true in material/technological terms, but they outclassed globohomo in many other respects.
>>13830 >Bicameral mentality is a controversial hypothesis in psychology and neuroscience which argues that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind, and that the evolutionary breakdown of this division gave rise to consciousness in humans. The term was coined by Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in his 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,[1] wherein he made the case that a bicameral mentality was the normal and ubiquitous state of the human mind as recently as 3,000 years ago, near the end of the Mediterranean bronze age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind According to this guy, the ancients weren't really conscious. Not endorsing this view, just showing an example. >Both can exist simultaneously Not at all, that's why monotheism eventually replaced polytheism. Even in Abrahamic religions you have various angels that act as lesser deities, it's just that their importance was reduced to mere tools of a single god. Plotinus was one of monistic subversives.
>>13846 >>13846 This idea is dumb because it assumes three things—(a) evolution is real, (b) only humans are conscious, and (c) consciousness can come from non-consciousness. This guy is parroting Abrahamic ideas of consciousness without even knowing it. This appears to be a rationalization of the fact that humanity has increasingly been sinking into a mire of degeneracy and materialism for centuries and has loss connection with greater spiritual realities, which in truth have to be brainwashed out of humans via public education, modern scientific worldviews and psychiatry. Naturalists are insane. They think that an arbitrary arrangement of matter can, when put in the right order, can magically become a self-aware, unique subjective locus of consciousness. How can something made up of trillions of tiny non-conscious elements become conscious and self-aware of itself? Naturalists can’t figure it out. Materialism is the theory of the subject who forgets to account for itself. >Not at all, that's why monotheism eventually replaced polytheism. But this was never necessary. Only because religions like Christianity and Islam condemn all lesser entities as not worthy of worship could they not coexist within a single tradition. Basically every Vedic tradition demonstrates this. Bhagavad Gita in particular. They have more agency than angels in Abrahamism too. >>13835 Modern people are full of hubris due to their technology, not realizing that it has turned them into subhumans without a proper counterbalance.
>>1735 Pussy feels so comfy too... why the fuck would you prefer a shithole...
>>13559 >Artic home, PDF It is better than nothing but this version is far from perfect and anons should really make the effort to buy a physical copy of a reliable book.
>>13735 >the one flaw How about the fact that they're poo-shitters and Dravadian nationalists as well?
>>14844 Who cares? As long as they aren't encroaching on White interests, it's good for them to be nationalistic and to ward off attempts to dissolve their nation and traditions. I can only think of a few select examples where nationalism is bad, and that is mainly with Zionism for reasons that aren't worth going over. The only problem with Indian Nationalism is the Zionism. They are bluepilled due to historical experiences with Muslims, and thus think Israel is a friend due to their own conflicts with Muslims, when in reality nothing could be less true. Outside of Japan, India would be important in any future nationalist foreign policy.
>>14865 Judging by what I've seen, Hindu nationalism movements where thoroughly jewed since their inception, it's a kosher type of nationalism that's only used tactically to advance the interests of the Jews, and always gets dissolved into globohomo once it's no longer useful. Some factions were seemingly pro-Hitler, but they got outshadowed by the Zionist faction.
>>14873 Yeah I'm not super educated on this type of Indian politics. It seems like the anti-Raj goals of some of the Indian nationalists were mostly opportunistic. They sided with Hitler because they opposed the British, simple as that. Not that I can fault them for this of course, but it's important to acknowledge this. In the end Subhas Chandra Bose snuck off to Japan in a submarine and left 3,000 Indian men loyal to Hitler stranded in Germany. I guess he soured on Hitler more after Stalingrad or something. Like you say, reading about Savitri Devi and her circles in India, it is clear that there were pro-Hitler Indians (Devi even mentions seeing altars being made for him), but they were in the minority. Jew-lover Gandhi was to take the helm of Indian independence.
>>14886 British Empire have undergone a controlled demolition, most anti-colonial movements were supported by both Soviets and Americans. Jews switched to a model of "independent" states with puppet governments, that are to become completely subjugated to transnational entities like UN and international corporations. I'm sure there are many Indians who would be honorable enough to have a genuine NS/fascist movement, but the majority of them, and India as a whole can hardly be considered an exception.
>>14865 >As long as they aren't encroaching on White interests What about they are 1.3 billion and are shitting up the planet by polluting rivers and nearby seas? >Outside of Japan, India would be important in any future nationalist foreign policy. How? I like spices but I don't need 1.3 pajeets to sell them to me. This without even mentioning the nice Jewish small colonies that settled in India a long time ago and never feared anything, which should say quite a lot about the pozzed nature of this entire nation.
>>14865 >Who cares? The only people who wouldn't care are poo-skins themselves. I've been suspicious whether if /fascist/ was a board with Indians pretending to be White or not. Being a Zionist or shitskin nationalist is a red-flag for any National Socialist or White person. >t is clear that there were pro-Hitler Indians There are pro-Hitler Indians who are also pro-Israel as well. Respecting Hitler does not make me look the other way on their Zionist and anti-White rhetorics.
>>14911 >What about they are 1.3 billion and are shitting up the planet by polluting rivers and nearby seas? Two ways to approach this. Assuming we have control over an influential enough country, we make the basis of foreign policy with India that they begin to take sizeable steps to reduce the population by various means and fix their problems with pollution. The good thing is that when we look at statistics, India's population growth is indeed slowly gradually. >This without even mentioning the nice Jewish small colonies that settled in India a long time ago and never feared anything There's also no real evidence of any large scale Jewing go on there either, which is why there was probably no backlash from the locals. This is of course what the negative European reactions to Jews and other peoples are based off of, i.e. negative Jewish behavior. If out of some miraculous fluke the Jews for whatever reason did not behave as much like this there, this would explain why they were not kicked out. It's the same with places like Ethiopia - is there a JQ there? There were tons of Jews who had lived there for centuries or even over a millennia in Ethiopia until Israel airlifted them out in 1991. It would be silly to conclude because there were no problems (that we are aware of) that this immediately means that India as a nation is entirely pozzed. The truth of the matter is that eastern people simply have not had as negative of experiences with Jews since they have not lived among them to the extent that Whites have. >>14915 > Being a Zionist or shitskin nationalist is a red-flag for any National Socialist or White person. There have never been Zionists on this board, but you retards with your 'KILL EVERYONE' LARP have always been cancer and are outsiders to this board.
>>14943 What would be the chances of Hindus accepting some White man as an avatar of Shiva or something and following him against the ZOG? They do have nukes and a decent army, which would be a good deterrent, for a while at least. Outside of such scenario (which won't happen), and some minor support from some of them, there is not much to look for there. They are just another brown 3rd world country entirely controlled by Jews. >There's also no real evidence of any large scale Jewing go on there either, which is why there was probably no backlash from the locals Most of them live in such bad conditions that they could hardly notice the jewing, nor could the jewing make their lives any worse. Same goes for Ethiopia. Jewing of India was done through East India Company, now that they got their "independence" it's their kiked puppet government and multinational corporations that get coordinated from Israel, same as anywhere else. Most Jews would rather live in Germany, USA, or even Israel than India. There has been a lot of intermixing between them and Jews in some areas, enough to breed their political and business elites.
>>14943 >There have never been Zionists on this board, I beg to differ, we have a christcuck here and then the nazbol goes around shilling the Soviet Union with autistic strawmans. Even Zionist can be fake being National Socialists, but that doesn't mean we should be schizo or anything and come to conclusions without any evidence. >but you retards with your 'KILL EVERYONE' LARP have always been cancer and are outsiders to this board. What does this have to do with the fact that there are groups who work for the Jew and are inherently anti-White? Are you trying to reinforce the ethno-globalist point or something? Shitskin will hate Whites without ethnoglobe posting.
>>14986 >I beg to differ, we have a christcuck here and then the nazbol goes around shilling the Soviet Union with autistic strawmans I'm not sure your point follows here. There's nothing that compels a Christian to be a Zionist. The main Zionist Christians are Protestant evangelicals who belief (due to Dispensationalist theologies) that there must be a physical Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill Biblical prophecies. And for the person in the Nazbol thread, I don't see how that is relevant either, shilling the Soviet Union and not having good arguments does not make someone a Zionist. Being a Zionist specifically refers to holding the position that there should be a Jewish state in what they believe to be their 'Holy Land'. I have never seen any Zionists on this board. >What does this have to do with the fact that there are groups who work for the Jew and are inherently anti-White? Name one group besides Jews that is inherently anti-White. There's nothing impossible about getting along with non-White nations. They don't have to love us (nor do we have to love them), but the basis of any foreign policy or realistic political thought is realizing that this is going to be necessary. Anyone who thinks that the ethnoglobe LARP is a serious political position has totally lost connection with reality. >>14974 >Most of them live in such bad conditions that they could hardly notice the jewing, nor could the jewing make their lives any worse Do you have any evidence for jewing going on in these places? >Jewing of India was done through East India Company I'm strictly talking about Cochin Jews.
>>14991 >Do you have any evidence for jewing going on in these places? It's sometimes hard even for White people to notice the jewing going on, let alone some stupid muds living in constant poverty and not having a capacity to question things. Just because no one complained enough for it to be documented and preserved doesn't mean that it didn't happen. And I'm sure we could find some traces as well if we dug into Hindu sources enough. >I'm strictly talking about Cochin Jews. They have no reason to use their insular communities when they can easily rob a country from abroad and blame the White man for it.
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>>15022 It would definitely be interesting to see if there is anything in the sources on this. I wonder how insular they really stayed though, because it looks like the Cochin Jews became as brown as the Indians did. This is a classic Jewish tactic though, in how they blend in with the surrounding population yet remain still Jews. This can be seen with the Kaifeng Jews as well. I just got a disturbing thought though. It is slightly off-topic for this thread, but I think that it is worth saying. More and more I have noticed that Brahmins from modern Indian descent are often subversives and leftists. Kamala Harris is descended from a Tamil Indian Brahmin. Tamils come from Southern India. One of the CEOs of Alphabet and Google is Sundar Pichai, an Indian man from Tamil Nadu, in Southern India. The chairman and CEO of Microsoft is Satya Nadella, an Indian man from Telangana, in south-central India - not directly adjacent to Tamil Nadu or Kerala (where the Cochin were / are), but close enough to arouse concern. Even filmmakers like M. Night Shyamalan is from southern India. I wonder how many of these are crypto-Jew Brahmins
>>15037 >This is a classic Jewish tactic though, in how they blend in with the surrounding population yet remain still Jews. This can be seen with the Kaifeng Jews as well Yes, and a lot of them don't identify as Jews, at least not publicly. My country has a small Jewish community yet most career politicians and top businessmen are cryptos of some kind. >More and more I have noticed that Brahmins from modern Indian descent are often subversives and leftists They are the ones most likely to be able to afford decent education and migrate to the west, then be lured into various subversive movements in hope to be more "equal" or as a requirement for advancing their careers. They have surely found a way to infiltrate some Brahmin communities in India though. But there might be a more encompassing connection, Sundar does look like a kike lol. Maybe we could find some coincidences by looking further into the schools and universities that they've completed, India might have it's version of (((Yale))) as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hyderabad_Public_School,_Begumpet It lists CEO of Microsoft, CEO of Mastercard, CEO of Adobe among others.
>>6963 >>7581 >>7625 These are great resources, thanks. As someone coming up to speed on this thread, I'd appreciate a perspective on how exactly the Dharma-based religions have Aryan (Proto-Indo-European?) ethnic roots--like when these teachings, at the base of Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, etc. first materialized, and the ethnic context. Not that I doubt these claims--I just don't understand them well enough. Question coming from someone with a decent (well, relatively-speaking) background in Mahayana and Vajrayana thought.
>>15037 Shiva was a Dravidian god, in hindu astrology he is represented by saturn, his symbol is the 6-pointed star, during several moments in the history of india Shaivists chased Buddhists and Jains, nagarjuna who practically fucked with a good part of Buddhism was from southern india , tantric buddhism is heavily influenced by shaivism...modern indians as a whole suck but southern indians are particularly worse, they are just a vehicle of evil on this planet.
>>15071 Yes, Northern Indians at least have a significantly larger amount of Aryan genetic material in their bodies. Not enough to make them White by any means, of course, though. The nature of the Dravidian is inherently macabre and degenerate by nature. It is no surprise that gods such as Shiva or Kali come from Dravidian / tantric practices. The aghori who walked around cremation grounds and meditate on top of corpses are clearly Dravidian as well. They are an antinomian perversion of original Vedic practices.
>>15071 I've read the MMK and couldn't decide if it was generally reductionist and illogical, or if I was just missing the deeper meaning
>>15103 Buddhism seems to be rather reductionistic in general to my eye, specifically when it comes to Nagarjuna's school. Even though this was never destined to happen, it is because of this that I can easily see why Buddhism has been co-opted by secular materialists in order to control their wage-slaves.
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How do I get better at worshiping the Roman pantheon?
>>15105 there's a major difference between proper Buddhism (a philosophical Dharmic religion), vs the stripped-down, watered-down, shallow version peddled under ZOG.
>>15201 Definitely. I'm not saying that Buddhism as traditionally practiced is like that of course. Philosophically-speaking, I believe the religion has a few problems, but the basic teachings and ethos that it cultivates in its adherents is one that I respect. Of course what is shilled today as Buddhism is basically a self-help program about 'living in le moment' or something. Even five or six years ago when I was in high school, I remember this being shilled by a guest invited into the classroom even. It's going deep. >>15181 What practices do you do now?
>>14991 Wanna know how I know you're a lying shitskin? >I'm not sure your point follows here. There's nothing that compels a Christian to be a Zionist. Yes there is, Christianity is a branch of Zion, and many Christcucks today even the Caths and Ortohodox ones have a history of rejecting some, but in the end accept the Jews with open arms. Christians have always seen those who worship Yahweh to have the same soul, but are faulty unless they preach a different sect (The Talmud VS Jesus Pagans VS Abraham). >Name one group besides Jews that is inherently anti-White. Niggers, redskins, gooks, and mutts. Ignorant question and you clearly don't see racial struggle. You are subversive. Now I unironically support ethnoglobe, because it triggers brain-lets.
>>15206 Zionism is strictly Jewish nationalism. Many non-Protestant branches of Christianity have a belief in supersessionism, i.e. where the Church and its members are the new Israel, the new Chosen People. Catholics might have backtracked to an extent, but as far as I am aware this is their belief. The Bible is pretty clear on this too. You can call me a subversive if you want, but I don't see where the Bible says that you have to support the national aspirations of the Jews that killed Jesus and hate him to this day (outwardly at least). That's the point. Christians are ultimately not on the side of White Nationalist politics but some people on this board have almost comically retarded views on the religion. >Niggers, redskins, gooks, and mutts. Ignorant question and you clearly don't see racial struggle. I'm not seeing it. Of course they'll pursue their own interests, but they are not dead-set on White extinction to the same extent that Jews are. They're basically just pawns of the Jews. There's nothing inherent to their nature that makes them pathologically anti-White. Usually they will be though. >Now I unironically support ethnoglobe, because it triggers brain-lets. It will never happen though, so you'll just end up looking dumb. Have fun with your fantasies while you could be focusing on more immediate issues that effect our people.
>>15211 >Zionism is strictly Jewish nationalism Stopped reading right here. Christcucks are for Zion. To be a Zionist means to worship a sand desert demon, preach Abrahamic philosophy, and deter your spirit from your race, and believe in everything the Jew says and does. Gentiles can become Jewish nationalist and many are, which is why you can find little differentations from them and the kikes. >I'm not seeing it. Like I said, you're blind and are a shitskin. Furthermore you have nothing to prove that I'm wrong and are clealry are a subversive pretending that Jews are our only enemy. Niggers are killing Whites in our own homeland, gooks are fueling the fire and always side and assist our racial enemies, redskins want revenge and mutts are only for themselves. In the end they will all choose their own race and seek to dominate anyone outside theirs, aka racial struggle. You're basically trying to claim that we lions should work with the tigers, rhinos, zebras, cheetas, and elephants just to get rid of a subversive predator, which isn't going to happen. >It will never happen though Ironic for you to say, but it will, cope more. Your delsuional one struggle is something unrealistic and will only result in failure. The Jews have non-Whites by the neck as their slaves, there is no reason for us to work with a people who are too stupid to even see their evil. Ethnoglobe is more of a likely reality than working with hindpoos who willingly side with kikes.
>>15205 for sure. as a spiritual path, it's not for everyone, but it's a subtle, advanced school of thought. as a Dharmic religion, it's superior to Abrahamism, especially its emphasis on utilitarian ethics as opposed to deontological. >>15181 https://baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/p/the-beginners-guide-to-hellenismos.html I've posted this blog on here before, it's run by an intelligent young lady who is dedicated to the Theoi. she may not be /fascist/ approved as an individual, but there's lots of good content here. opening the sidebar makes it easier to search and browse.
>>15205 >What practices do you do now? I know how to do sacrifices but I haven't done one yet, but since Halloween is right around the corner I might do it so I don't get punished or looked down upon. I pray, but I don't do it enough, and I usually just pray to the pantheon as a whole. I haven't read any of the holy books yet such as the Illiad, or the Odysee.
>>15218 Thank you for the link! She looks like that she would have a lot of great content, and information. I thought I would be the only one believing in a classical religion since most people believe in the northern faiths.
>>15215 > To be a Zionist means to worship a sand desert demon, preach Abrahamic philosophy, and deter your spirit from your race, and believe in everything the Jew says and does No it doesn't. The term 'Zionist' is a modern word and has a very specific meaning. >Gentiles can become Jewish nationalist and many are, This was never denied. Half the politicians in the US (not to mention every other Western country) are effectively Jewish nationalists. >You're basically trying to claim that we lions should work with the tigers, rhinos, zebras, cheetas, and elephants just to get rid of a subversive predator, which isn't going to happen. This is a false analogy and I shouldn't have to explain why it doesn't work. >Ironic for you to say, but it will, cope more. Save White countries first, and maybe I will believe you. It's pathetic to be raving on an imageboard about how you're going to cleanse the planet of non-Whites when Whites don't even control a single country. There are much more important issues to be solved than some fringe fantasies of retards online.
>>15246 Your entire post is vague and you expose yourself as naive. >No it doesn't. The term 'Zionist' is a modern word and has a very specific meaning. Then what does it mean according to you? What did I say that contradicts my statement on what defines a Zionist. Only morons think it only means to support Israel. Abraham was a man of Zion defeats your in-denial. >This was never denied Then your argument has no meaning. >are effectively Jewish nationalists. And guess what all Jewish nationalist having in come other than being a Jew or Jewish? >This is a false analogy and I shouldn't have to explain why it doesn't work. No it isn't and the reason you didn't debook it, because you know it's true and have nothing else to say Mossad. Instinctivly every race on Earth will lean towards supporting and empowering their collective own interest just like animals. It's literally apart of nature. What a waste of my time having to explain obvious core principles of NatSoc and Aryanism to you. >Save White countries first, and maybe I will believe you We will once we kill you guys first. Non-Whites have nothing of value to bring the world and they have no right to be in Europe. Now I fully accept that countries like India should be wiped clean of mischlings and Dravadians for the Aryans to thrive. >It's pathetic to be raving on an imageboard about how you're going to cleanse the planet of non-Whites It's stupid that you think one person or a small group can so easily change world and need to constantly come on here being an obxious and clear subversive bufoon who won't shut up about something that is ever rarley mentioned on this board, because you're afraid of the tasting the bullet from White nationalists who will end up chimping out in the end. Fascism is for Europeans anyway, non-Whites have no right telling us what we should or can do and being apart of movements for us. You want to help the White race? Then kill yourself or go pick cotton for Aryan.
>>15042 Why is tantra bad though Tbh I prefer shaivism and shaktism to vaishnavism Too many vaishnavites try to sell their religion as Abrahamism lite at least in the west
>>15257 >Fascism is for Europeans anyway, non-Whites have no right telling us what we should or can do and being apart of movements for us. You want to help the White race? Then kill yourself or go pick cotton for Aryan. Believe me, a lot of people think nonWhites can be saved. True litmus test right here.
>>15257 This is why I never got "one struggle". In order for White nations to be back at the top, other nations CANNOT be fascist. If not, how are you going to weaken the nonWhite parts of the world under the domination of White countries?
>>15266 Because of cooperative aspects of game theory (the raison d'etre of alliances), there is still plenty of room until a winner takes all ceiling. Assuming some other countries like Japan became fascist, there are more than enough common enemies to deal with in the meantime anyways.
>>15269 Other nations being potential ideological referential points is beneficial, game theory doesn't have to be a zero sum game. A lot of nations are not even capable of implementing fascism anyway.
>>15269 So you're implying that cooperation with other non-Aryan nations is the best solution?
>>15211 >There's nothing inherent to their nature that makes them pathologically anti-White. Usually they will be though. I am a White brazilian(german/czech) and i highly disagree, ALL shitskin have an embedded hate/envy toward Whites, all.
>>15257 >Then what does it mean according to you? Someone, Jewish or not, who supports the nation-state of Israel. This is the common meaning, and there's no reason to stretch it to include things that don't even make sense under the term. >Abraham was a man of Zion Zion doesn't even appear in the Bible until 2 Samuel. The statement is anachronistic by any standard. >Instinctivly every race on Earth will lean towards supporting and empowering their collective own interest just like animals There are enough similarities between humans were cooperation is possible in areas where there is a momentary common interest. Comparing different races of humans to lions, rhinos, zebras and elephants is a deliberate exaggeration, and it's clear that you chose predators and herbivores for this very purpose.
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>>15271 It would have to be taken on a case by case basis. It's all hypothetical until you get into the weeds with the actual geopolitical situation at the time of such an event. Realistically there are only a few states that might ally with a national socialist nation. Maybe a fascist Japan, or Iran, Palestine, North Korea. Anyone who is enemy to ZOG and would have interests that ally with us more than ZOG's interests. We already know that Germany allied with Japan in WW2 so there is precedent.
>>15261 Tantra is essentially antinomian by nature. It has always been for the masses and the dark-skinned. They accepted those of low-birth, women, the outsider, etc. The practices of Tantra have always been antinomian, opposed to the pure/impure dichotomies of the more orthodox traditions. It’s pure left-hand path stuff, and it’s where stuff like sex magic, orgies, drunkenness, cannibalism, and eating your own shit in Hinduism comes from.
>>15319 I'd rather ally with Mongolia than faggy japs again. Japs literally forged the war between two White nations against each other because they wanted the entire of Asia to be yellow, when historically Asia is the Aryan Homeland.
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>>15320 how is antinomianism for the masses? nothing about islam or christianity is antinomian and that's half the world population. flouting taboos can be powerful but tends to piss off the vast majority of people (npcs) >sex magic, orgies, drunkenness based I left abrahamism precisely because it was authoritarian and pathologically anti-sex. it's designed to cut you off from nature and your fellow man, solely dependent on a god that cannot even logically exist, and whose will can only be known through texts full of arbitrary rules designed to wash the brain
>>15358 Go eat your own shit and have a sex orgy on the cremation grounds then, freak. You clearly had no regards for the truth or falsity of a tradition if you got butthurt over leftoid things like 'authoritarianism' and 'anti-sex'
>>15320 The only spiritual utility of antinomianism is breaking the provisional mental structures and socio-moral conditioning that prevent one from reaching a higher realization. Some LHP practices are legit in the sense that the animal passion gets transmuted into a higher force, it was never about pure hedonism or degeneracy, nor was it supposed to be done often and with everyone (that would have the opposite effect). >>15358 Degeneracy and libertinism are always for the masses because they have no capacity to contain their animal urges and strive towards lower mental states that make them depersonalized and detached from their higher functions. Souls of most people are too weak even to maintain a generic "human" state, let alone seek higher ones. More extreme practices are simply ridiculous and serve no purpose other than desensitization. There is nothing spiritual about it since you can do all of those things as a pure nihilistic materialist, it pertains to the lower domain entirely. On the other hand, mindlessly obeying a tradition is also for the masses. The only difference is will the NPC be guided by his biological (animal) programming or his cultural programming. It's ultimately a false dichotomy, metaphysical integration and essential quality are the only things that matter.
>>15376 >More extreme practices are simply ridiculous and serve no purpose other than desensitization. There is nothing spiritual about it since you can do all of those things as a pure nihilistic materialist, it pertains to the lower domain entirely. Not sure I agree with this. There's definitely a spiritual significance to tantra in terms of the interplay between masculine and feminine energies. Just because some nihilistic westerners get into it without proper understanding doesn't make it invalid. The same could be said of yoga, meditation, even "jew-bu" as opposed to actual buddhism >>15367 The abrahamic religions are untrue precisely because they demand unquestioning obedience to arbitrary strictures and deny that sex can be a healthy part of life and spiritual practise, though
>>15386 I should add that the masculine represents the transcendent and the feminine the immanent, so it isn't necessarily a purely materialist endeavour. You see a similar pattern in Gnosticism, so it's not surprising they supposedly engaged in antinomian sexual practises too. I'm not an expert on either but neither are most of the people here tbf
>>15386 By more extreme practices I meant edgy stuff like drinking blood, hurting people (without having a real reason to) and similar. >Just because some nihilistic westerners get into it without proper understanding doesn't make it invalid My point exactly. And Tantra is not even about sex itself, but about sublimation of sexual energy by using masculine and feminine poles. If you do it for the sake of pure hedonism, as most LHP practitioners do, then it's just degeneracy without any spiritual context whatsoever. And changing too many partners erodes your astral body, why do you think that such people end up looking like zombies with dull, soulless eyes eventually? Virginity can also empower a lot when channeled properly, why do you think that kikes hate virgins so much and try to hyper-sexualize everyone and everything? Sex is something strictly tied to physical reproduction and materialistic generation. >>15388 >You see a similar pattern in Gnosticism Early Gnostics were strict puritans. Only later some groups began doing degenerate stuff, mostly to desensitize themselves to desire and become less controlled by biological programming. Antinomianism is not strictly about that anyway, you can be a righteous puritan and still be antinomian if your beliefs are challenging or opposing in nature.
>>15386 >The abrahamic religions are untrue precisely because they demand unquestioning obedience to arbitrary strictures and deny that sex can be a healthy part of life and spiritual practise, though Abrahamic religions aren't anti-sex though, this is a leftist meme. They believe that sex has a purpose, and it belongs within the confines of marriage. This is a completely sensible position, and it is one that numerous pagan religions adhered to as well. This entire claim, really, is just silly. There is no connection between something being untrue and there being rules you ought to follow (for your own good if anything else), especially when these are said to be derived from God. I feel like you are holding this stupid position because I'm pretty sure you're the anon who joined Islam for a time, which is a legalistic religion on the level of Judaism. Anyone shilling for Tantra just wants to be a sex freak and think that they are being 'le spiritual' while their guru fucks them in the ass
>>15405 it's true that there's a Western hang-up over sexuality, which dates back to the Puritans. however, this should not be confused with the original Abrahamic views on sex, which is as you said, that it should be confined to marriage. it makes sense, because in spite of ZOG media telling us otherwise, promiscuity incurs serious costs for both the individual and society. the Western stigma on sex, and the hypersexualization of our times, may seem like a contradiction at first, but it really isn't. the fact that it's seen as "dirty" and "shameful" leads directly to neurosis and obsession with it.
I just saw a UFO while I was walking around the neighborhood. It was really high up, and looked like a simple black sphere. It was pretty visible from down on the ground, so I imagine it would have to be a pretty big. It was moving along very slowly, but the spooky thing is when I went around the corner and had my view of it blocked by a tree for a moment, it was completely gone and nowhere to be seen. What is their end game? Was it the gods? I don't think it really gave off a 'good vibe' though, honestly.
>>15451 could be mischief by the demiurge/archons/etc.
>>15452 Wouldn't surprise me. I'm thinking it might have cloaked itself when it somehow detected that I and the person with me laid eyes on it. I also tried to take a photo of it but I was having trouble locating it on my phone camera (partially because I was walking and holding a dog's leash with one hand as I tried to do it). It probably wouldn't have been a very compelling picture though. All of these sightings I've read about are like this honestly, they vanish in an instant and just seem to be randomly chilling in the sky. Weird stuff.
>>15405 yes I am the exmuslim anon. I will probably regret responding to a torposter but regardless I don't think it matters where the abrahamists say their scriptures come from. upon close analysis it's clear that most of the stories are just plagiarised from earlier pagan ones, and the texts themselves are likely works of multiple authors. this is true even for the qur'an. there's no sign of genuine spiritual inspiration imo, so all you're left with are rules that are either far from unique (don't murder etc.) or designed to brainwash. that's what I'm trying to say >Abrahamic religions aren't anti-sex though, this is a leftist meme. genital mutilation is probably the most anti-sex thing imaginable, and even catholics say you shouldn't masturbate, so this is just bullshit >it belongs within the confines of marriage. This is a completely sensible position, and it is one that numerous pagan religions adhered to as well. regardless of what ancient pagans believed, I do not think that's a sensible position in the era of birth control and abortion tbh. I can see how it would have contributed to social order in, say, 7th century arabia, but it's absolutely oppressive now. I'm not talking about snorting meth and fucking random strangers on grindr, but there's nothing wrong with sex in a committed relationship, even outside of marriage >inb4 birth control and abortion bad you're entitled to that opinion, but I disagree >Anyone shilling for Tantra just wants to be a sex freak not sure there's anything wrong with being a freak so long as you aren't diddling kids, walking around on a leash in public, or engaging in totally meaningless hookups. but personally I just find the interplay of masculine and feminine energies aspect, i.e. the metaphysics of the whole thing, fascinating. I'm not about to run off and find a guru, though. I prefer my books >>15449 >promiscuity incurs serious costs for both the individual and society. after a certain point, yes. not sure what I'm advocating is promiscuity, rather a healthy balance between self-control and passion
>>15459 >genital mutilation is probably the most anti-sex thing imaginable Mine works fine even having been jewed. >and even catholics say you shouldn't masturbate, so this is just bullshit Masturbation is degenerate. They are right, and only a masturbation-addicted coomer would disagree. >inb4 birth control and abortion bad Birth control is literally destroying women and poisoning our environment. It is undeniably bad. Not to mention that it has a disastrous effect on White fertility rates. And not surprisingly, one of the co-inventors of birth-control are (((Gregory Goodwin Pincus))). Birth control needs to be banned, period. Also, abortion is degenerate as well. Imagine killing healthy White babies because you are too selfish to deal with the consequences of your actions in fucking some slut and getting her pregnant. One should not have sex if they don't want pregnancy. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/06/19/chemical-birth-control-is-destroying-womens-bodies-and-the-environment-lots-of-studies/ >not sure there's anything wrong with being a freak so long as you aren't diddling kids, walking around on a leash in public, or engaging in totally meaningless hookups Substantiate this claim. >I prefer my books So basically you're just having some sexual fantasies about 'le tantra' because you put yourself in some legalistic Jewish religion for a period and bounced over to the exact opposite.
>>15472 >MINE WORKS JUST FINE HURRDURR Typical cutfag response. Cope. Start restoring your foreskin and you'll see how much of a difference it makes >masturbation is degenerate Can you provide any real reason why besides just "muh fee fees" or "muh book says so?" I've talked about this in /sig/ already but I see it as a fairly harmless release valve. Certainly better than getting so frustrated that you start hooking up with people I can understand the environmental argument against birth control somewhat but we ought to focus on fixing our economy and culture to the point where White people can actually manage to raise kids instead of forcing a bunch of unwanted ones on single mothers by banning abortion. "Just don't have sex if you don't want kids lmao" is not a practical solution, most people are not that autistic for better or worse >Substantiate this claim. You're the one saying it's bad, the burden of proof is on you faggot And no, this isn't about "fantasies." I'm merely defending the idea that sex has a place in spiritual practise, esotericism etc. Idk if I would ever engage in tantra but it certainly has more redeeming value than memorising books written by jews or repeating mindless prayers on a carpet
>>15475 Not sure why my ID is different, must be the phoneposting I find it amusing how people obsessed with 0.001% of the population turning their dicks inside out for trannyism so often turn a blind eye to real male genital mutilation. I suspect that there may be some projection afoot
>>15475 >Typical cutfag response. Cope. Start restoring your foreskin and you'll see how much of a difference it makes Don't see any reason to, I'm not that concerned about my dick. >Can you provide any real reason why besides just "muh fee fees" or "muh book says so?" The benefits to semen retention far outweigh the costs of masturbating. There is plenty of evidence out there on this topic, especially in the /sig/ thread. Even from personal experience one can quickly see that abstention from such practices results in high energy, alertness, clearness of mind, and greater attunement to spiritual realities. Masturbating frequently makes you a slave to your passions as well. It is impossible to have true spiritual growth while cumming your brains out to degenerate content daily or semi-daily. >Certainly better than getting so frustrated that you start hooking up with people If one is feeling so horny that they can't even control themselves when they stop masturbating it's a sign that they are addicted to masturbation. That is not normal behavior. It's your body crying out in agony because it has been deprived of something that it has become reliant on. The body needs to be controlled. You're like a person who runs up to the salty ocean and takes several big gulps to quench their thirst, and then wonders why they are so thirsty now. And when they are told that it's because they keep drinking the salty water, they get mad and tell you that drinking the salt water is necessary unless they get thirsty. The real solution is to stop drinking the salty water, i.e. to stop masturbating. Similar analogies can be made with many similar things, such as throwing fuel onto a fire, etc. >I can understand the environmental argument against birth control somewhat That's only one part of the argument. Read the article. Women are being destroyed by it as well. There's zero excuse for this Jew-created poison. >"Just don't have sex if you don't want kids lmao" is not a practical solution, most people are not that autistic for better or worse It's the Jews who are encouraging rampant casual sex. People understood this in the past, not to mention there was social stigma. >You're the one saying it's bad, the burden of proof is on you faggot You're drawing an arbitrary line. It's fine to be a degenerate freak of nature in some places, but it's suddenly bad in other situations. This seems very arbitrary and ad hoc. If degeneracy is such a good and spiritually edifying practice, why restrict it? >I'm merely defending the idea that sex has a place in spiritual practise, esotericism etc Get a wife and impregnate her. That is sex in its proper spiritual place. >repeating mindless prayers on a carpet Again, Islam has always been shitty legalism.
>>15490 >It's the Jews who are encouraging rampant casual sex. Sure, and porn is toxic af too. But I'm not advocating for "rampant casual sex," just sex in committed relationships regardless of marriage. Divorce laws are biased against men anyway, no? I don't see how the legal / ceremonial aspect makes that much of a difference, unless you don't believe in divorce at all or something And in my experience christianity is shitty legalism, too. Granted I grew up evangelical but it isn't like the catholic church doesn't have a bunch of stupid rules of its own
>>15472 >Birth control needs to be banned, period. Also, abortion is degenerate as well No they shouldn't, your mindset here is very Christian. They shouldn't be banned, but controlled by the state for eugenics programs and population control. I have no issue with aborting dysgenic children or non-Whites.
>>15475 >Can you provide any real reason why besides just "muh fee fees" or "muh book says so?" This confirms anon's accusation that you are a degenerate. We talked about this numerous times in the previous QTDDOT and self-mastery threads. It produces hormones and reduces both your Ts and grey-matter. Stop masturbating to porn. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050060/
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>>15492 Of course, I am talking about healthy White babies. I agree with you. >>15491 >But I'm not advocating for "rampant casual sex," just sex in committed relationships regardless of marriage. Preserving women's virginity is far more important than you would think. The less partners one has, the more stable the marriage. This is statistically supported. People, ideally, should not be having sex outside of marriage. >And in my experience christianity is shitty legalism, too. Lol not really. There are no retarded dietary laws, or set obligatory prayers, or no weird incantations you have to chant in a foreign language. The removal of basically every aspect of Mosaic Law is basically the foundation of Christianity. I'm not here to defend it though. It's a world of difference from Islam. Islam on the other hand: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/14053/should-he-use-his-left-hand-or-part-of-it-when-cleaning-himself-after-relieving-oneself https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2532/muslim-bathroom-etiquette >but it isn't like the catholic church doesn't have a bunch of stupid rules of its own Religions all have rules and authority to some extent.
>>15493 I don't watch porn. I enjoy some drawn stuff but I don't seek it out >muh degeneracy I've been volcel for like two years now bro. I understand the value of abstinence during certain periods of life, but I don't think it's an absolute virtue
>>15498 > I enjoy some drawn stuff Superstimuli is absolutely degenerate when used as porn. >muh degeneracy >I understand the value of abstinence during certain periods of life, but I don't think it's an absolute virtue What is it with degenerates and trying to make concepts seem retarded by putting "muh" in front of it, as if this is any sort of argument. Stop trying to drag everyone else down to your level.
>>15494 >The removal of basically every aspect of Mosaic Law is basically the foundation of Christianity. There are many christians who follow the ceremonial law regardless, and the classification of moral law varies anyway. Surprise surprise, people who worship the Jewish god and view the Jewish bible as part of their holy scripture have a tendency to judaise >It's a world of difference from Islam. It only seems that way if you limit your perspective to the abrahamic religions. The three all share many problematic aspects, supremacist attitudes and genocidal tendencies among them. As someone who has passed through both traditions I don't see enough of a difference to care, especially not now that the church has been coopted by jesuits. It's all anti-White
>>15499 I can count on one hand the number of times I've deliberately looked at porn, drawn or otherwise, in the past three years. I only masturbate once or twice a week. Feel free to keep trying to paint me as a degenerate for having a nuanced take on things, though.
>>15501 >I only masturbate once or twice a week Once a year is to much. It is a degenerate and homosexual behavior that subverts one of the most basic instincts of man. You are only making excuses to justify your own degeneracy. >Feel free to keep trying to paint me as a degenerate for having a nuanced take on things, though. >nuanced Sure, "nuanced". Just as the art and critical theory of the Frankfort school were nuanced, right? You present a false dichotomy that assumes it is at all normal to masturbate. It is not "you cannot control your habit vs. do whatever you want", it is that masturbation is damaging to the mind and soul, so you should not do it.
>>15502 Prove that it's damaging, nigger. As far as I'm concerned you're just trying to force ancient hebrew sexual morality onto me because you're too much of a cuck to make up your own mind about spirituality. Christians should be gassed in minecraft smh tbh fam
>>15493 This article is about porn addiction not occasional masturbation
>>15502 Considering that masturbation is an impulse, if our ancestors viewed masturbation as harshly as you do, there would be much written about combatting it in the past. Yet there is almost nothing written about the act and that which is written is not very hostile to it. Thus, the logical conclusion is that our ancestors just didn't view it as detrimental to society. I am not saying that we should masturbate. I am pointing out that people masturbating once in a while is not a recent behavior.
>>15504 >Prove that it's damaging, nigger. When one masturbates, he releases his sexual energy witch would otherwise be used for other endeavors. Masturbation creates self-conscious, low energy men with no drive to change anything because their need for sex has already been fulfilled. >As far as I'm concerned you're just trying to force ancient hebrew sexual morality onto me because you're too much of a cuck to make up your own mind about spirituality. I'm no christian. Quit trying to other me so that you can create a false consensus. >smh tbh fam Negroid speak is degenerate. Go back to 4cuck. >>15506 >Considering that masturbation is an impulse, if our ancestors viewed masturbation as harshly as you do, there would be much written about combatting it in the past. Yet there is almost nothing written about the act and that which is written is not very hostile to it. During the early 20th century, people were sent to boarding schools for the mentally disturbed for masturbating. There is nothing written about masturbation, because it was never even considered. There are, however, many writings on the nature of abstinence and waiting until marriage for sex from antiquity. Masturbation is a modern bevavior pushed and normalized by jews. >Thus, the logical conclusion is that our ancestors just didn't view it as detrimental to society. They viewed stable marriages as necessary for society, which porn and masturbation tend to destroy. >I am not saying that we should masturbate. Then why would you respond to me at all. You're being a jew. You are clearly trying to act as if masturbation is natural and normal when it isn't. >I am pointing out that people masturbating once in a while is not a recent behavior. It can only be a recent behavior because it marks the degradation of a culture.
>>15507 >When one masturbates, he releases his sexual energy witch would otherwise be used for other endeavors. Masturbation creates self-conscious, low energy men with no drive to change anything because their need for sex has already been fulfilled. This isn't proof, just your pseudoscientific opinion. Jerking it a few times a week helps me focus lol. You're hysterical
>>15508 >jerking it a few times a week helps me focus lol "Dude, I just need a cigarette, it helps me focus." It is not that it helps you focus, but that you cannot focus without it. You've become such a low impulse control troglodyte that you can't even control yourself. You're addicted. Listen to yourself; you speak like an addict. "Look, I just need a hit man. I can stop whenever I want to. Just give it to me!" How can you command anyone's respect when you cannot even respect yourself enough to stop indulging in a homosexual activity?
>>15507 >During the early 20th century... Yes, and people in the early 20th century were wackos. This is the era where slicing off your son's dick for Jesus began. Historically, they were as much an aberration as we are. Modern leftism stems from the erratic behavior of the busy body anti-masturbators. >masturbation was never even considered before an arbitrary date in the early 20th century. Okay. That is obviously insane. But I am curious, what do you believe caused this sudden change in human psychology? Also, what year did boys begin masturbating? >They viewed stable marriages as necessary for society, which porn and masturbation tend to destroy. You know what is even worse for a stable marriage? Prostitution. Yet prostitution was so ubiquitous that it was taken for granted. Even kings had multiple mistresses and everyone thought that it was okay. >Then why would you respond to me at all. Because you are wrong. >You're being a jew for disagreeing with me!!!! No u.
>>15511 >Yes, and people in the early 20th century were wackos. This is the era where slicing off your son's dick for Jesus began. At least they fought against homosexuality. You encourage it. >Modern leftism stems from the erratic behavior of the busy body anti-masturbators. What are you talking about? Masturbation leads to sexual deviancy, being deviant in itself. Modern psychology is founded on people who encouraged masturbation and sexual deviancy. Again, quit being a jew. >But I am curious, what do you believe caused this sudden change in human psychology? Jews and those who go along with their plans. >Also, what year did boys begin masturbating? "If you can't exactly quantify it, it isn't true! Where is the line between White and mongoloid. See, the White race doesn't exist!" >Prostitution Is a sign of decline and deviancy in a society, used by people with no impulse control. >Even kings had multiple mistresses and everyone thought that it was okay Not by White people of good character. >You're being a jew for disagreeing with me!!!! You're a jew for encouraging sexual perversions.
>>15498 You don’t get the benefits of volcel if you’re cumming your brains out to some hentai. Like >>15499 said, this sort of stuff is a superstimulus that is arguably worse than normal porn (not to say any of it is good). >>15500 >There are many christians who follow the ceremonial law regardless Yeah I don’t think there any any Christians who give a shit about the dietary laws, not wearing mixed fabrics, or who sacrifice goats and lambs for sin and guilt offerings, or any of this bullshit. Half of it is said to be fulfilled by Jesus anyway, and the other half was declared irrelevant by Paul. >The three all share many problematic aspects, supremacist attitudes and genocidal tendencies among them Making them sound based. >>15508 >pseudoscientific Jew term. >Jerking it a few times a week helps me focus lol. BECAUSE YOU’RE SO ADDICTED YOU CAN’T FOCUS IF YOU DON’T >>15504 >ancient hebrew sexual morality This board has already demolished the myth that the norm in pagan societies was a sexual free-for-all of degeneracy. They were quite, quite strict.
>>15511 >Modern leftism stems from the erratic behavior of the busy body anti-masturbators. No, retard, modern leftism is a psychological state of envy, resentment and a gnawing urge to make everyone as big of a loser as they are. This is why all of the human garbage of this planet inevitably finds itself in the leftist orbit, from homos, to trannies, to pedos, to niggers, to Jews, to rebellious women, to atheists, and far beyond. Nietzsche diagnosed them all. They’re freaks. This is all part of the Jewish project for (((liberation))), i.e. destruction of the entire society via unleashing the decadent and anti-natural impulses of the masses. It has nothing to do with people telling others not to masturbate. That’s silly. >But I am curious, what do you believe caused this sudden change in human psychology? Jews and the destruction of all traditions in the name of (((progress))).
>>15511 >Yes, and people in the early 20th century were wackos. This is the era where slicing off your son's dick for Jesus began. Historically, they were as much an aberration as we are. The Christcucks were in the right, using past examples or at-least jaded historical BS from atheist is not an argument, it's (((You))) crying that no one here will support your personal problems that you refuse to acknowledge as degenerate. Go back to /v/ or wherever you negroes came from. The people of the 20th century were 100 times more sane and justified treating masturbation as a mental illness especially when you take a look at porn addicts today. You cannot be a fascist and then have a porn addiction of any kind. >Modern leftism stems from the erratic behavior of the busy body anti-masturbators. No they are not, leftists are not anti-masturbation, they're against the porn industry and how it abuses muh women and some child molestation cases. Leftists have always supported pornography and any form of sex. >b-but muh weebs!! Yeah and they're dumb. The vast majority of them have never read the Mein Kampf nor know jack squat about National Socialism other than that the Jews hate it and it was just another form of White nationalism. >But I am curious, what do you believe caused this sudden change in human psychology? Psychology is Jewish, so thanks for outing yourself as a normalfag or mossad agent. The change obviously happened when traditional values and norms were forgotten and downplayed during the 50s-90s.
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>>15513 How many times do I have to say I don't watch porn lol? You niggas can't read >>15513 >Yeah I don’t think there any any Christians who give a shit about the dietary laws Adventists. They're the ones who shilled MGM in the early 20th century, too. Lots of Jewish converts in that sect Christians genociding our ancestors was not based, nuff said And bro, what if I just have a higher sex drive than you? I'm not convinced the horny would ever go away if I stopped masturbating. I would just build up and make me irritable. It's almost like sexual release is a need for most people >>15515 >studying how environment affects mental health is Jewish terminal retardation. enjoy your self-imposed intellectual ghetto
>>15516 >Calls someone a retarded <doesn't gives a reasonable argument or even coherent response. <cries psuedo-intellectuality even though we gave you links and graphs that proves the damaging effects of masturbation from scientists themselves. <Exposing himself as one of the ignorant normalfags who unironically think psychology, a term and "study" invented by jews, is anything about studying mental health, ever. You have to go back.
>>15517 The only link someone posted in this thread was about porn addiction. You don't have an argument
>>15518 I have an argument you refuse to counter it. There is no such thing as occasional masturbation. Get a hobby and stop making excuses for being a retarded degenerate.
>>15516 >And bro, what if I just have a higher sex drive than you? I'm not convinced the horny would ever go away if I stopped masturbating. I would just build up and make me irritable. It's almost like sexual release is a need for most people You should not aspire to be like most people. You should strive to be a shining example, a paragon, to your peers, because you are not an animal, but a man imparted with the aspect of the gods. But no, you deny this, content to treat yourself as no better than an animal, sitting in the corner of your room, touching yourself like an invalid. Let yourself be this animal, this proto-human. Maybe it is all that you are good for.
>>15512 >At least they fought against homosexuality. You encourage it. Strawman = non-argument = opinion refuted. >Masturbation leads to sexual deviancy, being deviant in itself. I doubt that this is true since all our ancestors probably masturbated on occasion and undeniably, prostitution was rampant. >"If you can't exactly quantify it Not an argument You claim that the extremely short Victorian prudishness was the ideal and before that, no one masturbated. Provide a rough date for when the masturbations began and provide evidence for this claim. >Not by White people of good character. That is an opinion. It seems to me that every level of White society was seeking out prostitutes because sex is a biological imperative. >You're a jew for disagreeing with me!!!!! No u.
>>15516 Stop talking like a nigger, nigger. You admit you jack off to hentai or whatever drawn garbage you jerk your dick to. This is porn. It’s no surprise that the Tantra shill is a degenerate.
>>15521 >lots of people went to prostitutes therefore prostitutes = good Pure nigger cattle with zero will to power.
>>15514 >modern leftism is a psychological state of envy, resentment and a gnawing urge to make everyone as big of a loser as they are Nice boomer tire cope. But envy has always existed while liberalism has not. It evolved from busy body Christian progressivism. >>15515 >t's (((You))) crying that no one here will support your personal problems I never said that we should masturbate. Projecting and strawmanning are jewish tactics. Thus, the one most likely to be a jew is you. >leftists are not anti-masturbation Leftists are puritans. That is why the only regions in the entire USA where White men actually vote majority for liberal parties are Puritan regions. >Psychology is Jewish That is obviously retarded. Curiosity about human behavior is the most European thing out there. >anyone who disagrees with me is a [mossad agent] Typical jewish non-argument.
>>15523 >strawmanning I never said that prostitution is good. You're so emotional that you freak out every time anyone disagrees with you.
>>15519 You never once provided studies to back up your argument that masturbation in and of itself is bad. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Cope. Adhom all you want, it's all you got after all >>15520 Humans are animals. God may have given us language but the current state of our society shows that it didn't make us much smarter. I don't believe that we were given dominion like it says in kike fairy tales >>15522 I said that I can count on one hand the number of times I've looked at hentai and furshit in three years. It doesn't do much for me, either. I prefer to just use my imagination. Read nigga read
>>15521 >Strawman = non-argument = opinion refuted. It's no strawman. Keep pilpulling. It'll never work >I doubt that this is true since all our ancestors probably masturbated on occasion and undeniably You are so content to say that we have no argument because no links have been provided, and then you pull something like this out from under your yahmakah. You are undeniably jewish. Only a jew would so brazenly lie. >You claim that the extremely short Victorian prudishness was the ideal and before that Read Germania. "Prudishness" is a basic tenet of germanic civilization. >no one masturbated. Yes, surely almost no one masturbated, save for the mentally retarded and the like. >That is an opinion. The level of jewing occurring here is going off the charts >It seems to me that every level of White society was seeking out prostitutes because sex is a biological imperative. It could seem to you however you want it to seem, but that is blatantly false, especially the assumption that all classes did it. >>You're a jew for disagreeing with me!!!!! You are a jew because you lie without shame
>>15505 There is no such thing as occasaional masturbation. Also porn addiction exist because of masturbation. Why would anyone to jerk themselves off when they can just get married or do something more productive? >>15507 >Yes, and people in the early 20th century were wackos. This is the era where slicing off your son's dick for Jesus began. Really? So the National Socialists and Mussolini were wackos for encouraging sex after marriage, chasity and celibacy? Even a broken clock that are Christians can be right twice a day. >Modern leftism stems from the erratic behavior of the busy body anti-masturbators. No it doesn't and it never had, they are for total sexual liberation and were and fought againdt Christian traditional values that banned or restricted all kinds of sex work from prostiution to pornography. >psychology apsychology or psychoanalysis are not legitmate studies of mental health. It was literally created by jews and it contains nonsense about how racism is a mental illness or abnormal. They are actual psudeo-science.
Also quit IP-hopping you're losing the argument and are a sperg.
>>15524 >Nice boomer tire cope. Nice cuckchan buzzwords, faggot. You can’t even make an argument against my claims, which are obvious from observing any large gathering of leftist human garbage. Perhaps you are afflicted with this same psychological condition? >Leftists are puritan Imagine saying this unironically.
>>15526 >Humans are animals. that are instilled with an unparalleled spirit of creativity and discovery. To masturbate is to spit in the face of this. >God You mean gods. I thought you hated christianity, so why say "God"? >the current state of our society shows that it didn't make us much smarter. Human intelligence is constant. We have fallen into the same trap that people like us have fallen into for time immemorable. Do you not have an understanding of the cyclical nature of the universe? These things will always happen. >I don't believe that we were given dominion like it says in kike fairy tales That doesn't mean you cannot believe in a semi-divine human soul, retard.
>>15528 Hitler was also max level NoFap.
>>15524 >I never said that we should masturbate. You are defending masturbation you absolute moron. You even tried to argue that modern-leftists hated it. If your stance is to defend something, then it's most like, because you are for it. >le jew tactic le stramwans Two common sayings that every mossad agents lashes back at as terminology when they're exposed shilling shit. >Leftists are puritans. No they are not. You are so fucking stupid that it is insane. 1. Puritanism is based 2. Leftists hate purity. 3. You're going to have to explain why most of them consume porn. 4. You sound like a lolberg/liberal. >>15526 >You never once provided studies to back up your argument that masturbation in and of itself is bad. Yeah I did, and anons here have already explained most of what has already been said, but of course you cry psuedo-science and refuse to accept the facts of the case. >le cope That's all your posting have been on here.
>>15531 >that are instilled with an unparalleled spirit of creativity and discovery. To masturbate is to spit in the face of this. How? And I never said that I don't believe divinity is present in man. I just think it's present in a lot of animals, too. Hell, even trees have a certain energy that makes them comfy to chill out next to and hug. call me a faggot if you want, at least I know when to give up on an argument that I'm losing badly >>15533
>>15536 >How? When you masturbate, you use the energy meant for creativity and discovery for blind hedonism. >Hell, even trees have a certain energy that makes them comfy to chill out next to and hug. Can relate >call me a faggot if you want, at least I know when to give up on an argument that I'm losing badly I'd call you a faggot because you partake of homosexual activities. Also because you are probably a jew. If not, check out the SIG thread and give the EasyPeasy method a read.
>>15524 >Leftists are puritans. That is why the only regions in the entire USA where White men actually vote majority for liberal parties are Puritan regions This is literally something lolbergs would say and this wrong and proves you are a jew for this incredibly wrong information Puritans do not share the views of modern leftists at all. The vast majority of liberal voters are non-Whites, secularists, and women. Fun fact, all of them live in the city or metropolis areas, which is outside of puritan regions which have been dead since The Great Depression. Puritans were classical or old-school liberals who would be against the views and the likes of socialists and secular liberals, because of their rejection of Yahweh and a White and pure ethnostate, something Puritans both advocated strongly. You are quite naive equating lib trads to the type of people who worship niggers and view pornography as their bible.
>>15507 Not the anon that you've replied to, but I'll chime in >he releases his sexual energy witch would otherwise be used for other endeavors <Being so low-T that he can't do anything after fapping >with no drive to change anything because their need for sex has already been fulfilled <Implying sex is the only motivator for change Higher people have higher motives. If your motivation stops once you have sex, you are a lemming >There are, however, many writings on the nature of abstinence and waiting until marriage for sex from antiquity Yes, because sex is not the same as masturbation. It involves pair bonding, socio-sexual aspects, neural imprinting/chemistry and many other factors which get ruined by changing too many partners. Not to mention the metaphysical aspects. I see masturbation no different from other physiological processes, to go to take a piss or to coom is the same for me. What I fap to being equally irrelevant. Jews have weaponized sexuality, if you are desensitized to it then they can't use it to condition you.
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>>15545 >I see masturbation no different from other physiological processes, to go to take a piss or to coom is the same for me. What I fap to being equally irrelevant. Jews have weaponized sexuality, if you are desensitized to it then they can't use it to condition you. They're completely different. If you hold in your piss and never let it out, you'll have severe health issues if you don't end up pissing yourself beforehand. Your body is trying to remove waste. Pissing doesn't give any pleasure beyond relaxing over the removal of discomfort from really having to piss. You're not getting blasted with dopamine or any other reward chemicals from it that you could get addicted to. There's no such thing as someone addicted to pissing for hours on end. If you've been 'desensitized' to the filth that the Jews push out onto society, you're already their golem and just don't even know it. The material you consume as well conditions you in the same way. If one spends all day jerking off to degenerate fetish material I am sure that it will rub off on their behavior and personality, and make them even more likely to seek out other material.
>>15545 >I'm not the same person Yes you are. No one on this board has ever unironically defended masturbation until now. >higher people uave higher motivation Masturbation is not a good motivation retard. >Yes, because sex is not the same as masturbation. It involves pair bonding, socio-sexual aspects, neural imprinting/chemistry and many other factors which get ruined by changing too many partners. You mean sex has purposes and benefits, while touching your own penis does not? Wow thanks for proving our point anon! >What I fap to being equally irrelevant. No, what you fap to is a sign can be a sign of degradation, especially if you have a fetish for gore or even niggers. This entire post is so stupid and you still fail to provide any reason for why you should be allowed to masturbate when Hitler was against it, and you can just find something to distract you and create room for self-improvement over petty self-pleasures. Jerking off distracts you and ruins your spirit, if you won't accept that as a fact, then you aren't a fascist, but a typical normalfag.
>>15545 >IP hopping again >thinking we won’t notice when you turn your flag off Imagine being this obsessed with defending your uncontrollable urge to touch your penis
>>15554 >If you've been 'desensitized' to the filth that the Jews push out onto society, you're already their golem and just don't even know it How am I their golem if they can't use sex to fleece me, or to trick me into building my sexual frustration so much that I become susceptible to their agitation to engage in stupid and self-destructive acts? >>15557 >Yes you are <Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person I'm only wondering are you the same Hasbarat who pretends to be several different people or a couple of shitskins paid by the Jews to shill here, poorly. Accusing someone else of what you are doing yourself makes the first more likely. >This entire post is so stupid and you still fail to provide any reason for why you should be allowed to masturbate when Hitler was against it This is a typical line of kikes and lefties who imagine Hitler as le authoritative man, they think how they are being smart to somehow use their own deranged and false view of the ideology and this man to shame anyone not 100% acting like Hitler himself. Reich never banned masturbation, nor did most fascist countries. Focusing on such petty nonsense while failing to address most other issues that fascism dealt with is telling as well.
>>15564 Your IP is even changing just like the other guy: >>15476
>>15565 My IP changed once because I switched to phoneposting. I'm no longer participating in the thread, though. You're the same tor schizo who ruined /aag/ a couple weeks ago
>>15565 dc7bd7 (8) >>15513 >Your IP is even changing Says the faggot who's IP is a mere 16 hours old? Why the fuck are you obsessed with thread ID's when you know full well they change daily for tor users?
>>15569 Looks like you’ve jumped on Tor now too! I have had a steady ID for the entire conversation, unlike everyone who is desperately defending their masturbation habits
>>15570 >Looks like you’ve jumped on Tor now too! Or maybe, JUST FUCKING MAYBE, someone else has responded to you, you stupid fucking sperg
>>15564 >another (1) >same sperging >still no argumentation >thinks banning masturbating is too authortian You are either the feminist from the women's thread or the stupid ancap. You are obviously the same person, because your posting style and spergy alone prove this. Boo-hoo that we do not approve of touching your own wanker. Hitler disapproved of porn, which is why he was nofap for this rest of his years as the dictator of Germany. The NSDAP was indeed authoritative you delusional faggot he states in the Mein Kampf that it was needed in able to save the Aryan race which required encouraging marriage and celibacy to stop German Whites from being degenerates and increase the birth-rates. The Reich banned and shunned all toxicities that were harmful to Whites, which were things like porn. There was no specific ban on jerking off, because it was not recongized just like your retarded obessession and lie with occassional masturbation. Your hentai addiction is killing you from inside and outside, cry and make up shit more for an ideology that you don't even agree with.
>>15581 >You are either the feminist from the women's thread or the stupid ancap. Neither. You trying to construct some sort of false identity to attack instead of addressing the points made ousts you as an obvious shill, and you being so trigger happy about the opportunity to derail this thread makes it even more obvious. >just like your retarded obessession It's you who seems to be obsessed with masturbation, I don't give it any importance at all >and lie with occassional masturbation I fap all the time, didn't state otherwise ITT . >Inb4 MUH (1) If JIDF/Hasbara wants to pay my shitty ISP to give me a static IP address, I'm all for it. I have no control over it as it is now. Mods should delete offtopic posts anyway.
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>>15589 >It's you who seems to be obsessed with masturbation >I fap all the time
>>15589 >Neither. You trying to construct some sort of false identity to attack instead of addressing the points I addressed all of your points, but I suppose you refuse to acknowledge what I said, because you skimmed through my post. You have another (1), and continue to defend masturbation with the same posting style. You couldn't even fool a nigger. >You're a shill for pointing out my shill posts! You couldn't be more dumber. This what every actual shill says. I have nothing to shill. >derail You were the one who brought this topic up and sperged out. It is only natural for anons here to call you out you for providing lies and nothing of value as far as argumentation. You can stop posting any time if you truly care for this thread. >It's you who seems to be obsessed with masturbation Not at all, I only care for my race and keeping it healthy. You are obsessed with touching your own reproduction system and show signs that you lean towards anarchy. >I fap all the time <tries to claim i'm the obseesed one <proves me correct in the end Also you're lying, refer to your other IP-hop >>15521, everytime you expose yourself you change your argument. >inb4 muh (1) Yes, stop being a IP-hopping faggot.
>>15591 >I addressed all of your points We don't live in the Reich but decadent modern societies and Jews have weaponized sexuality against us. Nofap might as well be a psyop meant to help them incite young White men into doing something self-destructive and counterproductive for the movement, or, to steer them back into the system so they can continue fleecing them and so they are no longer a threat to their hegemony. Childless single men who fap were identified as the greatest threat for the system by the system itself. Not being some Hollywood / leftypol caricature of a fascist that you are trying to larp as. Your priorities are very suspicious to say the least. >You were the one who brought this topic up and sperged out >>15545 | >>15564 | >>15589 - these are the only posts I've made ITT regarding masturbation (other than this one), and no other posts of any kind in between. >I have nothing to shill That's why you are using reddit spacing to make your post stand out as much as possible, emphasizing something irrelevant like changing ID's just so that you can try mounting some kind of personal attack on an anonymous image board, lying about different posters being the same person (which you are likely doing yourself as a typical kike would) and continuing to derail the thread just because I made a passing comment on it ( >>15545 ) >proves me correct in the end I also drink water often, doesn't make me obsessed with water. You are the one who is making an issue where there is none. >Yes, stop being a IP-hopping faggot. It would make no sense for me to change ID's voluntarily, but I guess you are too stupid to realize that. >You can stop posting any time if you truly care for this thread You are forcing my hand with your kikery.
>>15609 >We don't live in the Reich but decadent modern societies and Jews have weaponized sexuality against us No, but do we admire and want to re-create the reich and do what is neccessary to make ourselves out to be masters over our emotions and addictions. Masturbation is a literal weapon used by Jews to create a degenerate hypersexualized culture where young men waste their semen/potency on two adults having intercourse. >Nofap might as well be a psyop meant to help them incite young White men into doing something self-destructive and counterproductive for the movement, or, to steer them back into the system so they can continue fleecing them and so they are no longer a threat to their hegemony. >MFW Hitler was doing something self-destructive These are such arrogant and shillery arguments that they outs (((you))) as a Jew or a stupid libertarian. Nofap incites men to preserve their semen and to do the things that are more life-accomplishing and productive than staring at your screen for 30 minutes as you rub one off. How is stopping the very thing that causes so many men to become socially anxious about themselves, stops them from being so effeminiate, ending their depresssion, and to stay concentrated on their dream goals, self-destructive? Excuse my cuckchan lingo, but this pure cope and is extremely pathetic for a man to religiously defend something that has been scientifically proven to damage our neurons, shown to be a weapon used by the Jews against Whites and Palestinians, and try to claim it is le Jewish or destructive to help them peak themselves up and deny the proof that is in front of his face. You are ignorant for these slanders of nofap, and you are only here to shit up this thread and be a nuisance.
I'm a porn freak myself but I don't encourage others to fap. For those who can get out and be better, good luck and good for you. It's a drug.
>>15609 >Not being some Hollywood / leftypol caricature of a fascist that you are trying to larp as. Does anyone remember the retard who posted about modern day fascists being to close to “Hollywood Nazis” a few months back?
>>15628 yes, sounds very familiar.
>>15625 You can get out and be better, anon. Never give up. Visit the /sig/ thread and get help.
>>15625 >I'm a porn freak myself but I don't encourage others to fap. Go read the EasyPeasy method on /sig/. I'm sure you probably get it but it helps to put you in a state of mind where you are ready to change yourself.
>>15625 I was once like you, but I am now free, and I can now do work without thinking of porn.
>>15527 >It's no strawman Accusing me of pushing homosexuality is a strawman. Cite a single example of this from my posts or you are admitting that you are a liar. >YOURE A JEW IS YOU EVER DISAGREE WITH MEEEEE! You are a disingenuous liar. You are not engaging in a discussion. You are nothing more than a hysterical shill. >>15591 >accuses everyone who disagrees with him of IP hopping If your position were truth, you wouldn't resort to the most pathetic of jewish tactics.
>>15543 >YOURE A JEW OIF ANYONE EVR DISAGREEEEEES WITH MEEEEE You are a liar and a disingenuous shill. >Puritans do not share the views of modern leftists at all. That is because you seem to lack the ability to think. You treat ideologies as if they are fixed and exist outside of people. The truth is that people create ideologies and the ideologies reflect the mentality and temperament of the people who create them. Modern liberalism is just religious behavior. Literally every single thing about the modern left is identical to the actions of puritans. Everything from extreme NPC behavior to witch hunts to their obsessive nosiness. They are all puritans and so were their ancestors. But discussing this with you is pointless because you already admitted that you are a disingenuous shill. Humans above 90 IQ do not scream and cry whenever someone presents a different perspective. You are a sheltered closeted leftist.
There are too many people with extremely low IQs ITT.
>>15684 >>15685 >>15686 You do not even understand what is the defining feature of leftism. It is certainly not 'puritanism', as has been demonstrated amply ITT already. You will never understand anything so long as you are thinking under these false concepts and categories. The defining feature of leftism is certainly not 'equality' either.
>>15691 >You do not even understand what is the defining feature of leftism Leftism is merely the shorthand term to describe the fanatic religious behavior in the current era. Leftism did not exist before the modern era and even so, modern leftism is almost completely alien to the leftist philosophy of the 19th century. People who genuinely believe that terms like "right wing" and "left wing" have some eternal meaning are midwits at best. >You will never understand anything so long as you are thinking under these false concepts and categories Ironic that you would string those words together when they describe yourself.
>>15704 See, you just do not understand leftism. At its core, leftism is a denial of human nature. Marx believed that there was no human nature outside of what a man was determined to be by the assemblage of social relations in a given society. This is a radical affirmation of 'nurture' over nature. Jean-Paul Sartre, likewise, affirmed that in man 'existence precedes essence', i.e. there is no human nature, and that man is nothing more than what he wills himself to be, and he is radically free to do exactly this. Today we see many people believing that men are the exact same as women, or that a man can become a woman, or a woman a man, and the reason for all of this madness is precisely because there is a denial of any inherent essence to a 'woman' or to a 'man'. Radical social constructivism and materialism are part and parcel of this. All of this stems from even early causes, namely nominalism. Nominalism, of course, is the denial of universals or abstract concepts. To the nominalist, 'mankind' doesn't exist. There are only individuals, no universals instantiated in particulars. Because of this, there is no inherent nature to man. It's a mental fiction. There are only individual human beings. And then connected with this is progressive ideology, which was bolstered by Marxism and its historical materialist analysis of society, and by evolutionary theory, which provided a scientific (or should I say 'Masonic') basis for progressivism. Evolutionism is precisely founded on a denial of human nature or essence as well, since it states that every organism is a dynamic entity that can change radically over time into wholly different types of life. This is the perfect ideology to brainwash a society into believing in order to justify progressive and social constructivist ends that are utilized by the Jews, Freemasons and various other leftists. Once one understands this, everything makes sense.
>>15686 >Implying that it's not just (You) >>15685 >That is because you seem to lack the ability to think. You treat ideologies as if they are fixed and exist outside of people. <I lack the ability to think, because I won't agree with your retarded logic that puritans are le bad, because they're like leftists and that we accept masturbation Puritans are not like modern leftists at all, because they were completely different in spirit and beliefs. They are not the reason why the modern left is like it today, the left only merely adopted their tactics and the jews' to enforce and empower their politics on the West. You can look up all of what they believed in and compare it to the modern left-wing today and see the puritans were had no desire to do the things that #cottonpickerlivesmatter advocate. This has nothing to do with ideology, we are debating whether jerking off is acceptable or not, but of course you choose the argument that every ancap or hentai degenerate uses, which is always a cry about muh puritans and purity spiraling on degenerates. Your entire stupid post is nothing, but an attempt at trying to connect two peoples, the ones who were for tradition but also had classical liberal beliefs, and the other who rejected traditional norms as whole, and act we should reject the puritan views solely because you think they are the same as the who ones who cry about shitskins every day, even though Adolf Hitler, right-wing movements, and ancient pagan sages all had the same views on how releasing your semen is only meant for sex and not pleasuring yourself. Your posts are nothing, but lolberg nonsense, especially at how you view that wanting to encourage or enforce Whites to be healthy and eugenic as "NPC" or a witch hunt in which it is the exact opposite as shown by cum-brains. Just stop posting and find another board to be a moron at. You failed at samefagging and you still fail at making any coherent arguments that make sense, you call anyone an idiot is only ironic. Come back when you're out of your libertarian phase and are at-least 18 or older and have more than 100 IQ points you literal nigger. The mods are doing a terrible job at banning and deleting the retarded derailing posts on here.
>>15710 >At its core, leftism is a denial of human nature. That is obviously your opinion. Not a scientific description of leftism. >This is a radical affirmation of 'nurture' over nature This would be a much more objective scientific description of the dichotomy ie, leftism = nurture over nature, right wing = nature over nurture However, in real life both sides do both. Self proclaimed leftists say that White people are born evil and there is nothing we can ever do to alleviate this "racial sin." Meanwhile, self proclaimed right wingers believe that if we're taught about Jesus, we will become good regardless of our biology and actions. > Evolutionism is precisely founded on a denial of human nature or essence as well Evolution is expressly based upon the concept of nature over nurture. >>15753 We can state objectively that anyone who instantly calls every single person who disagrees with him a jew is a complete idiot. If this belief were true, then 99% of people would be jews and we know that this is not true. Instantly calling someone a jew demonstrates that you do not understand what jews are, in the same way that liberals calling conservatives Nazis because they disagree do not understand what National Socialism is. >puritans were had no desire to do the things that #cottonpickerlivesmatter advocate. Abolitionism evolved directly from New England Puritanism. Furthermore, if all that matters is accepting Jesus, then you inherently believe in egalitarianism. >This has nothing to do with ideology, we are debating whether jerking off is acceptable or not I made no claim that it is moral. I merely stated that there is no reason to believe that our ancestors did not masturbate. And there is much evidence to suggest that they did. They did not masturbate nearly as often as we do today, but claiming that they didn't masturbate at all is ridiculous. Socrates openly masturbated in public ffs. >cry about muh puritans and purity spiraling on degenerates. That is an entirely separate issue. I have always pointed out the link between Puritanism and modern day liberalism. >ancient pagan sages all had the same views on how releasing your semen is only meant for sex and not pleasuring yourself. Where is the evidence for this? >wanting to encourage or enforce Whites to be healthy and eugenic as "NPC No. I said clearly that fanatic religious behavior is NPC behavior. It is identical to modern day leftism in form and substance. >Original sin They literally call slavery America's original sin >Read this book and obey it and you will reach utopia Bible, Das Kapital >Stratified priest class Catholic church, media oligarchs >Do not question doctrine Do not question science They literally say that they "believe in X" Science/Jesus I could go on. Liberalism is a religion.
It's funny how the pro-masturbator/degenerate is derailing to two threads both in this one and the Marx thread >>15839 >>15838 >We can state objectively that anyone who instantly calls every single person who disagrees with him a jew is a complete idiot Sorry, but there is no such thing as objectivity, so there is clearly you're own subjective interpretations :^). Also no, you shill and argue the things our racial and ideological enemies constantly derail threads about. You are a Jew and have brought nothing even considerable of thinking about to this thread. You are an idiot ever thinking that this board will accept your BS. >Abolitionism evolved directly from New England Puritanism. First of all, puritans owned many slaves themselves and recognized only two kinds of slavery which were common law and bond. Secondly, the abolitionists were for only ending slavery, because they detested how it was very abusive and had negative affects on free-laborers. They never intended to keep niggers in America nor went around worshiping and having miscegenation with them, because they wuz oppressed. Even if they wanted to end slavery, they still saw niggers as inferior and wanted nothing to do with them. The abolitionists movements that the modern left were inspired by came from Marx and Lenin's anti-colonial rhetorics. >I made no claim that it is moral. I merely stated that there is no reason to believe that our ancestors did not masturbate. No one said you did, the argument is whether it should be tolerated. And you're once again making mere claims based on your retarded interpretations of history from liberals. Our ancestors could of also been gay that doesn't mean we should sodomize as well. Man's evolution is to learn and improve from past mistakes. > I have always pointed out the link between Puritanism and modern day liberalism. You failed to prove that they are both of the same. Even if what you said was true, you still have not come up with any facts or solid grounds on why masturbation can be tolerated. Even if we exclude religion's view on masturbation, we can still see clear evidence that cum-brains are some of the biggest idiots and have total normalfag behavior. Your justification for Charles Darwin's evolution and libertarian perspectives are proof that I am correct. >where is the evidence for this? Ironic for you to ask for evidence >If a householder willingly causes the discharge of his virile seed otherwise than in sexual intercourse, he should recite the Gayathri verse one thousand times, and should perform three Pranayamas. -The Parashara Smriti, Chapter 12 , Sloka 63 >O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man involuntarily emits his seed, what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'Eight hundred stripes with the Aspahê-astra, eight hundred stripes with the Sraoshô-karana.' O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man voluntarily emits his seed, what is the penalty for it? What is the atonement for it? What is the cleansing from it? Ahura Mazda answered: 'For that deed there is nothing that can pay, nothing that can atone, nothing that can cleanse from it; it is a trespass for which there is no atonement, for ever and ever.' When is it so? 'It is so, if the sinner be a professor of the law of Mazda, or one who has been taught in it. But if he be not a professor of the law of Mazda, nor one who has been taught in it, then this law of Mazda takes his sin from him, if he confesses it and resolves never to commit again such forbidden deeds. -The Verses 26-28 of Fargard VIII, Section V > I said clearly that fanatic religious behavior is NPC behavior >Atheist dares to call someone or something NPC. Fanaticism is perfectly health and fine, but it question what the fanaticism is about. If Whites were fanatic about their race, then we wouldn't be in this mess that is modernity. This entire post is nothing, but empty claims and attempts to use the puritans as a scapegoate. Stop derailing this thread and go be a normalfag somewhere else.
>>15838 >This would be a much more objective scientific description of the dichotomy ie, leftism = nurture over nature, right wing = nature over nurture This is essentially what I am saying when I say that leftism is a denial of human nature and the human essence. It is not a mere opinion, it is a justified conclusion that one can draw from analyzing the writings of leftists. For example, let's look at Marx's 'Theses on Feuerbach'. For our purposes, thesis VI is the most relevant one. Here Marx writes that '...the human essence is no abstraction inherent in each single individual. In its reality it is the ensemble of the social relations.' So the human essence, or human nature, is no more than what man is determined / nurtured into being by society and the mode of production of that society. This same thing is repeated in the works of Sartre, another extremely influential leftist, existentialist and communist, who even more radically denies the human essence with his statement that 'existence precedes essence' in the human being. The entire ideology of transgenderism and indeed all of modern social constructivism is built on the foundations of such people, as it comes pre-packaged with a denial of human nature. The idea that things such as sex differences, race differences, etc. are not essential to what it means to be a human, but that they are mere accidents resulting from the material conditions of a society. This is purely Marxist. You are confusing the sloganeering of leftists for what the actual basis of the leftist belief system is. It might be helpful to go to Nietzsche to understand what is going on here to an extent. Ultimately, along with the radical denial of human nature in the leftist ideology, leftists are also conditioned by various psychological tendencies. Nietzsche describes these well in his works. The motivating factor of the leftist is that ultimately he is a loser, a freak, a degenerate weakling. His entire ideology is based off of Protestant moralizing given a secular veneer. He inherits the sort of reactive slave morality of this tradition, founded on Ressentiment. He is so afraid of the fact that in reality he is a weakling, a loser, a 'have-not', an idiot, that he projects the entirety of his blame on nebulous social systems and economic factors that, if just changed a certain way by revolutionary / governmental action, would usher in a utopia where at last he would not be a loser, he would not be a freak, a nigger would become a genius, etc. >E