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Scientific mistakes in Mein Kampf Anonymous 02/08/2020 (Sat) 13:10:52 ID:b00154 No. 22506
If you have ever gone outside, you would have noticed that Nature itself has both virtues and sins, good and bad. In what sense? Well, if the goal of evolution is the survival of the fittest, then it would be no mistake to see certain species of fishes being really friendly towards other species, as long as they have material or primitive spiritual needs. Of course, these needs, like the species and environment they are in, change over time. This of course does not mean, with a fact that animals in the environment are real and have real effect on world, that have same complete intrinsic value as human beings. If they had, then they would be the exact same species as human beings, differing only in certain traits and behavioral patterns like let's say for example, negroid and caucasian (of course, they are still sub-species, not "One Race Human Race" type of crap). We do not eat meat because of our inner desire to do so, like we want to negate the existence of other species, but we do it because we have to in order for our species to survive. It's a necessity... However, Mein Kampf is not motived by scientific research, but pure Nihilistic, lustful thirst for power and destruction. Let us take a look at Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf "Nation and Race" and see what Hitler tells us about nature. >THERE are some truths which are so obvious that for this very reason they are not seen or at least not recognized by ordinary people. They sometimes pass by such truisms as though blind and are most astonished when someone suddenly discovers what everyone really ought to know. Columbus's eggs lie around by the hundreds of thousands, but Columbuses are met with less frequently. Now what is this reason people DO NOT see this truth? At the beginning we can see how vague Hitler is with his statement about this "truth". But enough about that, let's go check what else he has to say. >Thus men without exception wander about in the garden of Nature; they imagine that they know practically everything and yet with few exceptions pass blindly by one of the most patent principles of Nature's rule: the inner segregation of the species of all living beings on this earth. This is laughable if you think about it, not to mention vague and pretty dishonest. Did Hitler admitted that his own worldview is faulty? Nah, I am not going that low to discredit him, but either way, it's pretty strange to claim that these "men" (scientists, since most people do not really go out in nature these days, nor they go out with friends) "imagine" that they know everything, when Hitler wrote most of this stuff about Nature while he was in comodified place alienated from the rest of society known as "prison". And he is pretty dishonest if he thinks that those scientists didn't notice that species are indeed with one that are with one another. However, like all things, they change. Different species are seen to co-operate with one another in order to ensure their own existence, as well as the existence of partner species. To foolishly claim that in nature there is no such thing as "co-operation" only "segregation" is an idealism based upon limited scientific naturalist materialism, and it's not even a complete material analysis. >Even the most superficial observation shows that Nature's restricted form of propagation and increase is an almost rigid basic law of all the innumerable forms of expression of her vital urge. Every animal mates only with a member of the same species. The titmouse seeks the titmouse, the finch the finch, the stork the stork, the field mouse the field mouse, the dormouse the dormouse, the wolf the she-wolf, etc. "Nature's restricted form of propagation and increase is an almost rigid basic law of all the innumerable forms of expression of her vital urge." This got to be the most weirdly put out sentence in existence, making me wonder if he worshipped Nature as his own mother. But what is actually wrong with this whole statement? We can take from his own statement that he talks about Nature's urges, and how most animals here act on pure urge, not consciousness but sub-consciousness, like by this logic, there are no examples of virtues or even livelihood in species inside nature. And of course, Hitler was indeed right that same species do mate with one another, because they are materialistically and spiritually connected with one another, there is no wrong in affirming that. However, what is wrong again in his claim is that species would only mate with one another and refuse to change, that is to evolve, and that their needs are only based on urges, forever locked in iron cage of Nature. I am going to continue in my next post as I am already reaching a limit, but I hope so far you have been willing to read what I have written so far.
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>>22506 Note: I intended this thread to be consistent of two well written posts concerning about Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf, however unfortunately, when I was almost done with a second post, a disasterous internet connection broke, and it took me like 2 minutes of getting up the Browser again. For now, in order to not waste time writing all that stuff again, in short, I am going to say that Hitler's views contradict to evolution and how nature and animals both have their own identity that are depending on one another. The example of this is presented within the phrase "The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc.,". If this is not a denial that throughout time, each species change, I do not know what really is. Or it is just a basic missunderstanding of evolution taken way too far. Feel free to debate over this issue. I will be out.
>>22506 >>22507 The concept of "the natural order" envisioned by Hitler and National Socialists is largely a fabrication intended to confirm bias. Hitler is overwhelmingly concerned with establishing absolute principles and I have strong doubts he has the ability to recognize anything outside of this paradaigm. In reality, any attempt to establish a universal and objective philosophical view of the "natural world" is impossible, since all matters are temporal and in constant flux. This doesn't preclude observations like race differences, but idealistic minds like Hitler are more concerned with constructing truth than observing truth. National Socialism is based on no "natural order"; for example why did the 3rd Reich employ law enforcement, then? Predation in nature is ubiquitous and useful, so why did they try to eliminate it? In reality, there is no division between the "natural" and the "artificial" regarding human affairs, there is merely cause and effect and the attached contexts. National Socialism is the definition of a humanist "social construct". It is as eternal as an ice sculpture on a warm summer day.
>>22506 >Well, if the goal of evolution is the survival of the fittest Survival of the fittest is not a goal into itself. Darwinian evolution is supposed to be random, whatever adapts the best to the circumstances, survives and passes on it's genes. If you imply that evolution has a goal/purpose, then it can only be a teleological evolution, striving to achieve certain objectively superior characteristics. Which is pretty much self-evident to anyone with a resemblance of sapience and reason. Humans are objectively superior to cockroaches, despite cockroaches being far better suited for mere survival and reproduction. Likewise, self-consciousness and reason are completely redundant in Darwinian model. Understanding the philosophical underpinning of Hitler's ideas helps us understand what he refers to as "nature" and truth. > that have same complete intrinsic value as human beings You either recognize intrinsic value or not. >However, Mein Kampf is not motived by scientific research, but pure Nihilistic, lustful thirst for power and destruction. Oy gevalt! >differing only in certain traits and behavioral patterns like let's say for example, negroid and caucasian Due to much higher complexity of humans and evolution not being linear, but exponential/progressive, the relative difference between a negro and a white man is almost the same as a difference between a negro and a monkey, if not greater. Unfortunately, blind nature makes a lot of errors as you have already noticed (such as negroids and Aryans being able to have fertile offspring), which is why it has endowed us with reason, so that we can consciously realize that it's an abomination and prevent it until it's no longer the case. Differentiation and segregation from lesser lifeforms is necessary for survival of higher lifeforms, such as the white race. >while he was in comodified place alienated from the rest of society known as "prison" That automatically made him forget every time he went into nature of course. > However, like all things, they change For better or worse. Many species have degenerated tremendously because it was necessary for mere survival at one point. Likewise, many don't. Some species didn't significantly change in millions of years. >Different species are seen to co-operate with one another in order to ensure their own existence No such condition existing between whites and other races for most of it's history. In fact, subhumans were almost always dependent on whites for survival. You could make that argument for dogs, horses etc. but those are not able to have fertile offspring with humans (whites), making them not a threat to our evolution and survival. > and how most animals here act on pure urge One does not exclude another. Our previous forms did act on pure urges before the consciousness has developed. It was just much slower and took tremendously more time to get the correct combination, with the significant chance of it never emerging in this particular environment. >and refuse to change, that is to evolve Evolution has very little to do with species mating with different species, in fact, the contrary is the case. >>22507 No contradiction there if you know what he is talking about. >>22508 > to recognize anything outside of this paradaigm Some paradigms are objectively better than others >Predation in nature is ubiquitous and useful, so why did they try to eliminate it? Why don't you move to some favela or become an African warlord if a society based on individual predation is good and useful? Why are those not producing species of higher quality? >>for example why did the 3rd Reich employ law enforcement, then? Why does your body have an immune system? >In reality, there is no division between the "natural" and the "artificial" regarding human affairs There is division between continuing where the raw nature stopped by conscious means and creating the superman (what Hitler wanted), and trying to completely deny and counter it (as kikes are doing) leading to abominations, disintegration, and nihilistic collapse of all values. On the contrary, kikes seek to create the ultimate subhuman, perhaps even revert the evolution to the point where everyone turns back into an animal. TL;DR: No shekels will be deposited to your account for this thread.
>>22509 >Some paradaigms are better Hard to make that assessment when your paradaigm is forever 0-1, regardless of extenuating factors. >Based on predation Strawman, I never said a society based on predation, which is also a fallacy because there are no systems "based" on predation, they're all an interplay of producers, consumers, and things outside of that category. Humans are both producers and consumers so this entire section of your post is fallacious. >law enforcement=immune system WRONG, we are talking about predation within a cyclic ecosystem, you have made a false comparison. In the context of higher food chain animalia, predation improves the fitness and health of prey populations whilst managing the size of it. Once again a cherry picked denial of nature by a National Socialist. >Hitler, superman Utter idealistic claptrap, Hitler was continuing the domestication of European man into a degenerative state that was entirely cooperative and altruistic. A little conquest does nothing to change the fact that the average German was a submissive production unit used to propagate the Hitler's effeminate utopia. National Socialism is a combination of Asian bureaucracy, European ethnocentrism (the only good thing about it) and smatterings of Abrahamic morality. Hard to reach the level of Superman when you're essentially just a German Shepherd. National Socialists are generally clueless about nature and apply humanism to everything.
>>22509 >Why don't you move to some favela or become an African warlord if a society based on individual predation is good and useful? Why are those not producing species of higher quality? I forgot to add, not only are these examples, not based on predation (because there are still producers), but you're also fallaciously disregarding race differences when trying to push your dishonest, universalist conception of predation. Sweden, prior mass immigration, had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe, and as a result of their unnatural law enforcement dysgenia, they became too altruistic and cooperative, along with the rest of Western Europe. Look at Italy; high levels of mafia activity, yet still a 1st world nation that does more to resist immigration than the North. The same goes for Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Any system that precludes human predation (National Socialism) is degenerative and will in turn, become prey.
Sure some species VERY rarely work together but it's not permant and it's only when it fits both of their needs. And species that help other ones out to their own degeneration die. This is why they are called PARASITES. And your last sttement made no sense, he's talking about miscegeneation. You have shown NO scientific mistakes, what is this half asses toliet graffiti.
People groups seperate into societies as it is best for the countiation of those peoples. A village tribe will lose to an empire and those people will be destroyed, it's about the struggle between different peoples for evoultion and natural selection. So what's good for your people is best.
Preditation within in groups is not a good system these days. It results in the weakening of society and murdering of people who could be big brained. You could beat Tesla to death with a rock if you got the jump on him... But does that prove you a genetically fitter? Also we kinda need him. And this endless murdering leaves us destablized and open to invasion. Look at Albania or Africa. Instead we create an economy where in only the fit producers survive and a state to manage the allocation of genetic resources (Eugenics). Why would we trade a system that can perfectly work for one that kinda works?
>>22517 No, it is a good system. You guys keep reverting to an exaggerated model of chaos and brutality. This would absolutely not happen because 1. Our race is not prone to that genetically and 2. Modern technology and resources would minimalize conflict because of the securities and provisions they provide (food, water, shelter, productive activities, recreation). A European society without law enforcement would build stronger character in men by making them responsible for their personal safety and affairs. Corporate greed would be countered by the ability of any man to acquire capital by any methods (physical or cyber"crime"). Men who are meek or weak would be preyed upon first and hopefully killed as a result, improving the gene pool. People with high intelligence generally know how to avoid trouble and are at low risk. Think less "Mad Max" and a little more "A Clockwork Orange", "Cowboy Bebop" and "Robin Hood". Animals fight for dominance, the weakest assume the lowest positions and the most capable take the lead. That is generally a more advantageous system that would strengthen not weaken us. I'm not saying we must be that Darwinian, but it is evident we have journeyed too far into domestication.
>>22517 >Why would we trade a system that can perfectly work for one that kinda works? Because your system doesn't work. Everything we have now is a result of failed European over-domestication resulting from post-agrarian morality. National Socialism and Fascism are just more of the same weakness and they have all failed. Modern European morality has taken many forms and National Socialist incarnation of it is just degeneracy by another name. They don't work, that is why they are dead.
National Socialism isn't dead and the NSDAP's Germany was one of the best societies on earth in it's time. That's why the entire Capitalist and Communism world had to WORK together to bring it down. >No police "I'm not advocating chaos" Yes you are? Either chaos rules or citizens form their own police to prevent it. >Clockwork Orange A degenerate society where rapists in masks rule and the actual productive members of society are no where to be seen? That does bode well for our race, that's called modern day Liberia or Somalia. There is again a reason niggers haven't got anything done. Society is the only store of the advancement of our race technologically and mentally and assists in the struggle between races. We wouldn't even have language without society. A society where children aren't raised and instead are pushed to be rapist drug addicts (the first scene has them getting high on Milk Plus) isn't good for our genetic stock or society as a whole. The fuck? >inb4 rape is good One; Hang yourself you're no longer human if you believe that and two it's not it's how generically inferior mates push their shut genes on generically superior mates. This is why all lesser races love it so much. A man with good genes doesn't need to rape and if he does he is a degenerate and deserves Epstein's death. >Cowboy Bebop Another fictional example, and yet Hitler is the one who couldn't see reality? I think you are projecting. The only good part of Cowboy Bebop's societies was the music.
>>22524 NSDAP is utter trash, like I said, it was defeated. It was a cuck society with just a little tighter leash than the one we have now. >no police No police does not equal chaos, especially in a White society, you are projecting. You know damn well we could function without them, but you and anybody else that advocates for their existence is a coward. >rape Didn't imply rape is good. I'm implying if your daughter get's raped, it's your responsibility to deal out punishment, not society. All you're doing is exaggerating things to as much of the extreme as your imagination can go; it is dishonesty, pure and simple. You are too much of a coward and won't admit it, though. FUCK YOU
>>22524 Fucking faggot wants to greentext me, but only what he feels comfortable cherry picking. You fucking NatSoc pieces of shit are the laziest and most cowardly motherfuckers in the White Advancement struggle. You can't address anything you might remotely have to agree with and have no grasp of context, degree and meaning. You all are fucking cowards, be it physically or intellectually. Wanna fucking call everybody else "degenerates", but who else in the movement is the most dishonest, feminine and stupid?
>it would be no mistake to see certain species of fishes being really friendly towards other species And you do see that. There are smaller fish that will swim close to predator fish and eat the left overs. The predators are aware of their existence and let them be.
>>22528 Explain how the NSDAP is "trash". You make statements but don't back them up with arguments. The supreme authority from which all authority is derived is violence. In a world without police, gangs would naturally have power through numbers and organization. A single father and maybe his young sons isn't going to have the same amount of power, so they will either be forced to relenquish their indivual power and find strength in a group (Like Wolves, Bees, Bears so yes it is a natural law) or let the gang rule the land. You can not have a society without some sort of order, it doesn't exist and can't exist. It's just whether this order is good or not that is the issue. >No police don't equal chaos... in a white society We commit much less crimes on average then blacks but as a whole we still do commit crimes. And without society that crime rate will increase not decrease. So yes it will still spell chaos. (And those antisocial behaviors are what holds blacks back, it doesn't help them) Order and the prevention of crime comes from police not the "law" which is enforced by the police and military. And besides it's a moot point since nothing would stop migrant hordes from flooding in and taking over. If you think the current replacement is bad wait till you see what happens without society. Blacks are a majority on a global scale, without organization of societys (which is how man got the upperhand on animals in the first place) we would be at an disadvantage. There is a reason intellignt creatures rule instead of dumb beasts, we can organize better and create societys which are good for the survivial of the national and racial whole. You're the only coward, you're attached to your pursuit of indivual cummies so much you won't part from it even if it means the death of your people. >Disgusting.
>>22531 Until that predator wants dessert. Or the parasite starts to be a nusiance to it's host like every non-white race in a white society. The only possible race that has mooched of us without being to bad of a societal threat is the Japanese & Koreans (All other Asiatic races are negro-teir subhumans). And that still has it's downsides. Another race eating our bread and using our land can be nothing but harmfull for us, not to mention will promote miscengenation an the watering down of our culture which is bad for both sides. It's like this; >Caucasian North-Europeans (Aryans) >Caucasian South-Europeans (Aryans) >Modern Day Mediterrians (Aryans) >Japenese and Koreans (Same Ethnic Heritage) >All other races We are better apart always.
>>22510 >Hard to make that assessment when your paradaigm is forever 0-1, regardless of extenuating factors. This is why you shouldn't debate political systems without knowing anything about them, and basing your entire opinion on propaganda of it's opponents, built almost entirely on lies. It has both fixed and variable principles, and NSDAP itself had somewhat ideologically diverse groups and individuals all working towards the common cause. Certain "dogma" is necessary in order to prevent gradual corruption which is why some of those groups were eliminated once they became too diverging from the core values. That dogma being nothing else than preservation of higher nature and potential, necessary to resist the forces of entropy and decay. >I never said a society based on predation Your statement was too ambiguous and undefined, what is the "right" amount of predation according to you then? A reasonable person would be able to conclude that once the predation exceeds certain level, society itself becomes based on it since everyone is forced to become predatory (no matter how inefficient in it) in order to survive (acquired/collective psychopathy, look it up). This was empirically proven to be disastrous. > they're all an interplay of producers, consumers, and things outside of that category. You are trying to swap thesis while accusing me of a logical fallacy. Rich. All of those categories require a certain level of domestication in order to be possible. >we are talking about predation within a cyclic ecosystem A group is always stronger than an individual. You have packs, herds etc. Even within the same pack, certain amount of organization, hierarchy and internal policing is required in order to maintain it's consistency and efficiency. If a wolf who is considered a member of a pack and thus trusted, starts killing other wolves in their sleep, that's not good for the pack, or for either of those individual wolves. You can extrapolate the same principle to very complex social systems of today. But my reference to the immune system implied that in any organic (natural) system, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. A lot of your body parts could theoretically be different, fully autonomous, smaller, less complex species with rather high survival/reproduction chance. What's the point of you existing then? Well, we are capable of completely exterminating other species (and sub-species) though... At least in theory. But that requires your body parts to work together so you don't die, and you to be a part of an organic society (which is no longer the case). >predation improves the fitness and health of prey populations whilst managing the size of it. You can achieve the same with eugenics. >but you're also fallaciously disregarding race differences when trying to push your dishonest, universalist conception of predation Not at all, it's clear that inferior races are less cooperative and more predatory >Sweden, prior mass immigration Allowing inferior, hostile species in your society is a result of faulty immune system (caused by social AIDS, aka Jews). But you have a fair point there, there is a balance/ratio to everything, including cooperation and altruism. Predatory individuals (white blood cells of society) should be aimed against alien bodies (kikes, shitskins etc.) as it was the case in the 3rd Reich, NOT against it's own organism (auto-immune diseases). You are confusing the former with the latter. >Look at Italy; high levels of mafia activity, yet still a 1st world nation that does more to resist immigration than the North. The same goes for Eastern Europe and the Balkans Fair point, but this degeneration was not caused by National Socialism, but many decades of Jewish dysgenics aimed specifically at destroying those populations, before and especially after WW2. You are also fallaciously excluding the possibility of society being neither altruistic nor predatory, or having a healthy presence of both.
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>>22520 >1. Our race is not prone to that genetically You are starting to contradict yourself now. Remind me, is that a good or a bad thing? >2. Modern technology and resources would minimalize conflict because of the securities and provisions they provide Isn't this the exact opposite of what you appear to be promoting? Law enforcement should be more decentralized, based on participation more that monopoly of force, have a lot of checks and balances, and we need much less laws in general. Think early USA or various European militias (brownshirts). We need a meritocratic society, current one is based on nepotism of a certain tribe and the lowest gutter of our societies which they appoint to execute their will. Meritocracy ensures healthy competition. > but it is evident we have journeyed too far into domestication This is undeniable, but you are misdiagnosing it's causes. >>22528 >>22530 You are the one acting feminine here mate
>>22532 >How NSDAP is trash All my posts have been illustrating this, you're being dishonest and lazy. It is trash because: You do not have the freedom to explore certain ideas; this is intellectual deprivation. You do not have the freedom to make mistakes, such as drug use, which will negatively affect you; we need to be able to explore our weaknesses to build our strengths. Your life is a mass-produced experience with clear limitations set forth by the state that will reduce the uniqueness of individual human experience. The taxes will be high as fuck. Finally, the law enforcement degeneracy that is dysgenic and culturally poisonous to character building that requires competition, loss and suffering. >You're the only coward, you're attached to your pursuit of indivual cummies so much you won't part from it even if it means the death of your people. Absolute NatSoc grasping and lying. In my system, there is still a military, that is much more prominent and active. Miscegenation and immigration would not be allowed. Stop reaching; I'm not an anarchist, libertarian or whatever else you're assuming. I am a NewType, my philosophy is without precursors. My system produces order; there is still a State, an economy and an identity. It just makes room for the necessary chaos to balance the order. An ecosystem must have balance. My paradaigm achieves it, others fail to.
>>22535 >Debate I went through my NatSoc phase, I've got Mein Kampf on my bookshelf. NS fails to deliver anything positive other than closed borders. See my above post for my issues with it. >Ambiguous predation I want a balance. I want the greedy to be robbed at least once in their life. I want people to witness at least one killing because we have lost our perspective on life and death. I want men to be able to feud to the fatal end without babysitting by the state. I don't want the jungle, I just want balance. The best moments of my life was when I suffered, when I lost things, when I was crossed. These are the experiences that build character and they must be increased. >domestication How do ecosystems need domestication? Explain. >A group is stronger Yeah, I know and agree. I'm not arguing for rampant individualism, I'm arguing for intra-population competition, that ultimately hardens it. That is still conducive to group identity without destroying individual autonomy. There must be balance. >Immune system, Italy There is no confusion, you are trying to rigidly adhere to your metaphor. If you want those "white blood cells" at your disposal, you can't encourage the things that destroy them (law enforcement). As I've stated previously, I want balance. Law enforcement creates imbalance, if there were no law enforcement and cultural stigmatization of "criminal" behavior, there is the possibility for balanced reproducing of "social" and "anti-social" individuals. Let me use this example; let's say there is a kind girl who is a dedicated teacher of children, nice right? Now what if she happened to have a night with a charismatic, generous, but hard at the core bank robber (a dated example, bear with me), the child would be far more balanced in anti-social and altruistic traits, which in turn, opens up possibilities for a more dynamic mind. Eugenics is unnecessary and far more prone to disastrous error; if you want proof turn on your TV.
>>22538 >Contradict Nope, no contradiction. It merely illustrates the uselessness of law enforcement. Whites and even East Asians do not require LE. The rest of the world, though.... >exact opposite Actually, no. I am in favor of education, passionate about science and math, and value efficiency in systems. My philosophy is an intersection of intelligence and aggression; a balance. If people want to set standards of conduct in their communities I support that. I do not support paying taxes for solving "murders", finding stolen property, putting people in prisons, etc. I support people being responsible for themselves, their loved ones and their immediate communities. >feminine I am angry and tired of being ignored, misunderstood and misrepresented. I have embraced the stoic route of composure before, but only some will listen. I wish to reach the closed-minded and the obstinate, if I have to scream in their ears to make them listen, so be it. I've learned I have to use force to get my point across. When no one will stand with you and everyone is against you, this is how you are heard.
>>22539 >Doesn't allow you to pursue certain ideas Like what? Marxism who's only application leads to the complete ruination of society or democracy who strangles indivual efforts in favor of incompetance and mismanagment through a rule of finance? When has anything come from the composite brain of the masses, all ideas that have progressed humanity have come from an indivual in his indivual efficency which he then imposes on the masses. No matter what they think and a majority of the time AGAINST what they think, they had Aristotle killed and many others harrased for saying the earth revolves around the sun. National Socialism sees that not everyone is equal and respects indivual differences so it puts at the helm great leaders who through application of the eternal laws and their own ideas form a better nation for us all. There are objectively good things and objectively bad ways to live your life, allowing others to enage in degeneracy to "explore their weakness" doesn't make them stronger it makes them more and more degenerate and drags down society through normalization. >muh taxes One that's not an arugment and two Feder proposed an abolition of the Tax system as it would be no longer nessasary with the goverment being the only distribtutor of money backed by the value of labour. Bassically; >Goverment guarentees employment through public works and the like >Caculates the cost of needed material and labour >Pays this out for the material >Sets a minimum worth of labour and caculates the value of indiviuals labour depending on their importance and value (which the goverment already does) >The workers and the public servants than pay the private sector for services and goods >This ensures private companies don't outstrip the demand and waste natural resources >Taxation is not needed in any step of that process The ONLY reason taxation is needed in all Western countries is ecause the centeral banks are privatly held and distributed. Bassically the FEDs pay intrest on loans given by the priate bank to operate and then they raise taxes to pay for that intrest. This is dumb and gives the reigns of the monterary system to private non-producing investors for no reason apart from selfish self intrest. A burger flipper at Freckle Bitches does more work in a day than your average ursurist. >Welfare Welfare is not part of the end goal, simply things which are good for the national body as a whole. Welfare is simply a stop gap which is needed because of capitalism's reliance on the private sector for employment. Which is bad for both parties and not a way to find those most efficent, infact it breeds the opposite. The richest people in a capitalist society (Bankers, Investment CEOs) have never worked a day in their life. And once we remove it (By guarenting employment to all those who are able and willing), welfare is no longer needed. This is where we get Socialism meaning Social-Equity not Class-Equity. Competition and Private Enterprise still exists in a National Socialist state and economy so I don't know what you're talking about.
At most a minor tax rate would be needed and deffiantly significantly lower than The US's tax rate today.
>>22507 > If this is not a denial that throughout time, each species change, I do not know what really is. Or it is just a basic missunderstanding of evolution taken way too far. Youre missing the point he was making entirely. Regardless ((evolution)) Science knows as much about the creation of races and species as it knows about space. Anyone with half a brain that thinks about this can recognize that theres no way in hell humans were a simple happy accident. Everything in Humans fits perfectly together.(Im not talking god create xyz i dont believe in god). The whole out of africa theory got thrown out ages ago as well when earlier white skeletons were found in Bulgaria and Russia. + Regardless of that, this is incredibly obvious anti-Hitler shilling, did you guys grab out your 2014 anti/pol/ shill books or whats going on here Sage this shit.
>>22550 We know humans have evolved and we know that evoultion exists and that species are effected by natural selection. We know much more about evoultion than space and you're right we weren't just bonked down here, we evolved slowly to become fitted and fitter for an enviorment to become what we are today. Evoultion isn't "Jewish" it's the opposite, it's why the Jew tries to stifle it so much with retarded shit like Haldane's Law.
>>22551 using (( )) might have been too much. But Im honestly doubting evolution, and so are quite a few scientists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE It is a theory after all.
Kek bitch isnt even aware.
>>22553 "Discovery Institute" is promoting intelligent design and fundamentalist Christianity and has been thoroughly debunked. For one it not totally "random" mutations, as there are outside environmental and survival forces driving the process of evolution. These guys are simply rebranded fundamentalism >Every leading scientific professional organization has through position statements unequivocally endorsed evolution as a widely accepted and well-proven theory.[91][92][93][94] McGill University Professor of Education Brian Alters states in an article published by the NIH that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[95] >Critics say that the Institute is conducting a deliberate disinformation campaign. One common criticism is that the rhetoric employed by the Institute in its campaigns is intentionally vague and misleading[96][97] and that the campaigns mask a near total absence of scientific support and productive research programs. The Templeton Foundation, who once provided grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design has since rejected the Discovery Institute's entreaties for more funding, Foundation senior vice president Charles L. Harper Jr. said "They're political - that for us is problematic," and that while Discovery has "always claimed to be focused on the science," "what I see is much more focused on public policy, on public persuasion, on educational advocacy and so forth."[98][99] >In one of a series of articles in Skeptic on the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, ID critic Ed Brayton noted: “ The intelligent design (ID) movement has long labored to inculcate two mutually exclusive falsehoods in the minds of the public: A) that ID is a purely scientific theory that has nothing to do with religion; and B) that any objection to ID is evidence of bias and discrimination against religion. ” — Ed Brayton, The Richard Sternberg Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Institute_intelligent_design_campaigns >>22553 >But Im honestly doubting evolution, and so are quite a few scientists. 0.01% of 955,300 biological scientists in the United States in 1999, is hardly "quite a few" >Only about 1/4 of the approximately 700 Darwin Dissenters in 2007 are biologists, according to Kenneth Chang of The New York Times.[12] Approximately 40% of the Darwin Dissenters are not identified as residing in the United States, so in 2007, there were about 105 US biologists among the Darwin Dissenters, representing about 0.01% of the total number of US biologists that existed in 1999. The theory of evolution is overwhelmingly accepted throughout the scientific community.[20] Professor Brian Alters of McGill University, an expert in the creation-evolution controversy, is quoted in an article published by the NIH as stating that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[42] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scientific_Dissent_from_Darwinism
>>22539 >You do not have the freedom to make mistakes, such as drug use, which will negatively affect you If you already know that something is a mistake, why do it then? You might as well put your hand on an unprotected power line just for the sake of experience. Drug abuse is not only your problem, it creates a burden for your family, society, etc. There is nothing "unique" in being a junkie with no willpower of his own. But you are right, not much taxes (public resources) should be spent on those, they should be given initial chance for rehabilitation, and if that fails, they should be disposed of (deported or put out of their misery). Drugs are a weapon used by kikes to destroy nations/societies and take control of them. Be it on a massive scale like opium in China, heroin in Russia, or even the modern drug epidemic in the US, or on a smaller scale like getting children of leaders hooked up so you have something to blackmail them with. For this reason alone, there should be zero drug tolerance. All this talk about freedom of choice, uniqueness etc. reeks of subversion. An open mind is open for heresy >The taxes will be high as fuck Do you have any data to back that up? Even if they were higher during the war, there is no reason for high taxes in a fully developed NS society. High taxes/bureaucracy is a form of hidden "kosher tax" , it goes on giving imaginary "jobs" and benefits to those parasites executing the will of kikes (giving an illusion of democracy) and the rest gets funneled to them through various excessive public spending schemes, most of which ends up in their companies or offshore accounts/Israel. Not to mention (((loans))) taken from Jewish banks. Remove the parasite, and you get a highly efficient bureaucracy followed by low taxes. Again, you are mistakenly, or on purpose, misidentifying the cause.
>>22508 > In reality, any attempt to establish a universal and objective philosophical view of the "natural world" is impossible, since all matters are temporal and in constant flux. <it is not possible to understand Nature's Laws. Only if you're kiked or a kike yourself, although kikes understand them better than faggots, they simply HATE Nature.
>>22506 >However, Mein Kampf is not motived by scientific research, but pure Nihilistic, lustful thirst for power and destruction. Nihilistic? An unfortunately totally empty claim. How could it be nihilistic when the end goal, Germany's survival, power and liberty, was most obvious? As for power and destruction, aren't they also part of life and necessary? >This is laughable if you think about it, not to mention vague and pretty dishonest. Do species mix? No. Even humans who enjoy a greater degree of liberty from their most essential instincts barely seek to mix, as they form ethnic groups. >it's pretty strange to claim that these "men" (scientists, since most people do not really go out in nature these days, nor they go out with friends) "imagine" that they know everything, when Hitler wrote most of this stuff about Nature while he was in comodified place alienated from the rest of society known as "prison" I did not know that by entering a prison, one's memory and sound knowledge was suddenly erased. You learn something every day. >Different species are seen to co-operate with one another in order to ensure their own existence, as well as the existence of partner species. You would therefore be able to prove that inter-species help is large enough as to invalidate what seems to be the larger rule, i.e. the isolation of each species from another and above all the lack of inter-species sex. >This got to be the most weirdly put out sentence in existence It is perhaps a bit thick but it merely means "all the ways Nature employs to ensure its continuation". Certainly nothing to do Hitler's mother, which is a gratuitous attack of no value. >what is wrong again in his claim is that species would only mate with one another and refuse to change, that is to evolve, and that their needs are only based on urges, forever locked in iron cage of Nature. You are welcome to provide a scientific evidence to what you recognized as a valid statement one sentence before, the refutation in particular of "Every animal mates only with a member of the same species.", because I have hardly seen animals have inter-species sex. If you have found such cases, they for sure would be an oddity. For as long as I have observed Nature I haven't seen anything like that, and if anything of this attitude were to happen, the land would be filled with a wide variety of mixed creatures of which you would have the hardest of times to define the original biological parents, so the entire world would be filled with chimera, assuming most of them would survive. Yet science knows for a fact that hybrids, for the few times such cases happen between sufficiently close species, have very obvious troubles in surviving on their own. Nature seldom fuses branches, she creates new ones from sprouts. >>22507 Don't you know about the existence of notepad, at the very least? Or did you rush to your keyboard to frantically react to what someone said on internet wrote in Mein Kampf before actually having a break and perhaps thinking about what you read from a better perspective?
>>22551 >We know much more about evoultion than space We do? in a world where simply dating the real age of the pyramids far back the usual politically correct dating? where denying biological determinism is expected from every good goy? There could be some evolution going on, but there too are limits to this theory if meant to explain the whole of the Aryan man's origins.
>>22547 >>Doesn't allow you to pursue certain ideas Fucking amazing, once again misrepresenting what I said. I said *explore, as in learn about; ever heard the expression knowledge is power? I'm sure you think it only applies to a select few things, though. Kid, you 0 life experience and shitty character. It's obvious you've been coddled your whole life with no real challenge. You want to complain about weak people, yet you remedy this by babysitting them their whole life, what a fucking idiot. "Oooh, some people are making mistakes and are a threat to my comfort." You don't like the ad hominem? Tough shit, because if you were a real man, you would understand the value of truly difficult adversity. >Feder proposed Oh, you're going to tell me about proposed policies. >Although weekly earnings increased by 19% in real terms[2] in the period between 1932 and 1938, average working hours had also risen to approximately 60 per week by 1939. Furthermore, reduced foreign trade meant rationing in consumer goods like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany 60 hours a week. >: ( >Watermelon sin Jamón: I found this. It's a book in French. >Basically, it says that the working class in general in Nazi Germany hadn't seen their purchasing power raised, but rather slightly declining. But when you compared to what the jewish, communists, and other people suffered, they were quite satisfied with that... The mean income stayed stable at start, then decreased due to increasing working hours paid the same and of course no trade unions were left to defend the workers... >It seems that the income tax per se was increased by 25% at one point in time, but I don't have more precise information. And to that you can add the compulsory contributions to various organizations : the Party (not obligatory but firmly recommended), the Labour Front, youth organizations, and yes, the social security which contributions increased during the Third Reich. (not comparing Obama with Hitler for that, mind you ! :D) >So the working class did have a lot to reproach Hitler for, they were simply too much dumbfounded and fascinated to bother... https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=158750.0;wap2 >welfare Didn't mention it
>>22567 >If you already know that something is a mistake, why do it then? Not everyone knows; alcohol has been legal, but not everyone knows they will be an alcoholic until they try it. Likewise, when people turn to hard drugs, it is because something is wrong in their life. I'm not concerned with helping every sob story and the damage they do to their families. They either realize this or they don't. My approach is apathy to the hopeless, help for those that want it. > You might as well put your hand on an unprotected power line just for the sake of experience. Of course, we have to use as much drama and hyperbole as possible. >they should be given initial chance for rehabilitation, and if that fails, they should be disposed of (deported or put out of their misery). I guess that means I should've been killed long ago, since it took me more than a few tries to get clean. Damn, I really enjoy engineering and had plans to develop technology for our cause; can't do that dead or deported, though. >All this talk about freedom of choice, uniqueness etc. reeks of subversion. An open mind is open for heresy >99IQ Typical. >Do you have any data to back that up? See above >Remove the parasite, and you get a highly efficient bureaucracy followed by low taxes. Again, you are mistakenly, or on purpose, misidentifying the cause. No, all those public works and social policies cost an arm and a leg. "highly efficient bureaucraticy", can't believe someone can just type out such an oxymoron with a presumable straight face. NS is not the only system that can prevent foreign exploitation; I'm developing one as we speak. >>22572 >Generic and basic post *yawn*
>>22542 >I've got Mein Kampf on my bookshelf. Whoa, hold back people, we have an expert in here! That book is more of an autobiography w/ commentary than actual political program. Why do NPC's always think that NS = Hitler (this is a rhetorical question). Kikes are shilling that narrative because he was just one man (with flaws too) and purposefully ignore all the other leaders, authors and works which inspired/backed the system so people don't get to read them and get redpilled in the process. >I don't want the jungle, I just want balance. You are equating the system designed by enemies of Hitler with the one which he espoused, of course there would be balance. That was the entire point. Trying to frame modern decadence on the side which lost the war and whose struggle was greatly based on resisting it is very (((dishonest))). >The best moments of my life was when I suffered, when I lost things, when I was crossed. These are the experiences that build character and they must be increased. I don't disagree, but sometimes those experiences ruin people for life, quality people. There should be limits to that. >How do ecosystems need domestication? Explain. Swapping thesis again. Trade and production need domestication, because you can hardly produce something when you are getting raided 24/7. >I'm arguing for intra-population competition, that ultimately hardens it. Until you start importing niggers as political capital or cheap labor from more productive (compared to niggers) alien groups so you politically/economically outcompete the guy who is only hiring locals, -only- because you can pay them much less. In a NS system, this competition would be encouraged, but only up to the point where it's net contribution to the overall society/ethno-state is positive. It is the very balance that you are looking for. >Law enforcement creates imbalance You are right, it's illegal to kill anti-social people before they cause damage. In fact, modern legal systems do more to harm the population than protect it, they only exist to ensure that the ruling mafia remains in power and that no group powerful enough to overthrow it emerges, under the guise of "public safety" without actually providing it to anyone, but it was designed that way. I understand your point, this kind of liberty needs to exist so people don't turn into complete teletubbies. So yes, balance is needed. >If you want those "white blood cells" at your disposal, you can't encourage the things that destroy them (law enforcement). Fair point. But consider again my metaphor about auto-immune diseases. They are good only as long as they work for the benefit of nation/race. "Luckily" for them, there will always be enough alien bodies trying to infect the society in one way or another, giving them something to deal with. Retarded ideas like "progress" cannot supplement laws which are encoded into the very fabric of the universe. There will always be an antagonistic factor. >>22543 >It merely illustrates the uselessness of law enforcement. It's modern, Masonic form. It's very useful for the ruling mafia however, very high utility. But it's becoming obsolete in globohomo, at least until it completely collapses due to being entirely unnatural. >Whites and even East Asians do not require LE. It's true that those populations can self-regulate >I do not support paying taxes for solving "murders", finding stolen property, putting people in prisons, etc. It should be more decentralized/privatized and monopoly of force should be abolished. Historically, societies where "an eye for an eye" principle applied had much better overall conduct and safety than the policed ones. They also forced people to rely on their extended family, tribe, town, etc. more (and vice-versa) which increased social bonds and overall cooperation, compared to current atomized judeo-masonic societies. But this is also why NS state would be based on honor and loyalty rather than Talmudic principles like (((rule of law))), or any artificial law that's not the law of nature. So, if you can think of a better system, show us it's merits rather than kvetching about National Socialism without having the most basic understanding of it, like some kike/SJW straight outta Reddit who is having a first day on the job.
>>22584 The working class still had a trade unioun one that was more effectvie mind you. I don't know if I trust a source that lies off the bat and then tries to insuiate that their "purchasing power" diminished. Yes, wars do indeed happen. Break times and employment was guarenteed, so was right not to be unduly fired. If anything the national unioun leaned to much towards the worker, and the life of the worker was better than any other country on earth at that period. >Ideas No idea has ever come from the masses. You are coddled if you think peope are equal. If anything voting affirms it is most likely a bad idea or at least a half soultion. As to even get the votes one must prostate himself for the masses and cut any offending bits off. Like Trump, a wall sure but no soultion to the problem of white genocide. And having to "convience" congress meant the only good idea he had was thrown in the trash. We exist on objective realities like the natural aristotratic law an such and any attempt to destroy those couldnbe nothing but bad. If you have an idea, work and prove your merit like Speer and then discuss with the party and Fuherer. Speer still got his ideas put into action and from those the economy was better organized and effecient. All he had to go through were checks and balances making sure he was skilled and worth putting in a place where he can do some real good. We value indivual efficency and do not subscribe to the myth that "because everyone says it is right, it must be"
>>22584 >>Basically, it says that the working class in general in Nazi Germany hadn't seen their purchasing power raised, but rather slightly declining. Slightly declined from what level exactly? People were happy and could actually work and buy some shit where as they were buttfuck ruined before the Nazi came to power. Also, provide dating please. >of course no trade unions were left to defend the workers... (((trade unions))) that usually prove mostly worthless and were running ramping with communists all too often prone to start a strike for nothing. To that we must recognize that taxation was raised as war went on, which is not surprising. I'm also largely used to fake claims about economical despair under the Nazi regime made from all sorts of academics since the end of WWII.
>>22609 >Whoa, hold back people, we have an expert in here! That book is more of an autobiography w/ commentary than actual political program. Why do NPC's always think that NS = Hitler (this is a rhetorical question). Kikes are shilling that narrative because he was just one man (with flaws too) and purposefully ignore all the other leaders, authors and works which inspired/backed the system so people don't get to read them and get redpilled in the process. Are you arguing that Mein Kampf doesn't redpill people? >Retarded ideas like "progress" cannot supplement laws which are encoded into the very fabric of the universe. And you don't think these laws can actually be the basis of a "universal and objective philosophical view of the 'natural world'"?
>>22604 Law enforcement does exactly that; enforces the law. There is nothing wrong with that, laws are needed for a stable society. And violence is the authority from which all other authority derives, so the police monopolize it to take it away from criminal gangs and make sure the power is use in a "Just" manner. The problem is that the current police are dealing with ape men not normal functioning humans who have reasons most of the time. There simply aren't enough resources currently to deal with things like Chicago, and the ZOG doesn't want to give this power for anything other than as an occupying force for the white majority (soon to be minority). They have subverted the police so much from their original purpose they don't have the tools nor are they allowed to deal with the crrent black crime crisis. Because that's "rascist" and they will get fired or attacked by groups like BLM if they dare shoot a violent offender. >tl;dr police good, Jews bad, ZOG police bad
Hold on. Before we go any further, which fucking version of Mein Kampf are you reading?? I sure hope it isn't any of the ones published in the last 60 years.
>>22663 Fuck if I know whats going on, can we still gas the kikes, race war now?
>>22700 That's the goal. GTKRWN
>>22609 >Equating No, I'm not. Every form of European system has been critically deficient in one area or another, National Socialism included. NS is just modernity with ethnocentrism, its only merit. It is still lacks the necessary degree of freedoms to create intellectual potence and is just another bland, systematic ideology. NS has no sensual or sex appeal, nor does it radiate a sense of mystique or danger. It is boredom and predictability incarnate. Do not accuse me of being dishonest because I'm not, my objections are straightforward and relatively independent. >Suffering No, that is the point of suffering, you must be willing to let life create martyrs, those with the strongest souls. You have to break to know what it takes to break you. You have to be experience the worst of the worst, only then can you be truly tested. Lives must be destroyed, that is the price of power and wisdom. We must be ready to destroy all limits in ascendance to higher levels, one cannot turn their face from death when seeking life. >Domestication Clarification: I commited an error in phrasing, "over-domestication" is more appropriate. There will be no 24/7 raiding, Europeans, even when lawless, did not descend to the point of inoperable instability. Examples include pre-Christian Europe and the American Wild West; this affect would be further reduced due to the technological advancement of our time that further reinforces stability and cooperation. >Importing niggers Wrong, that would be one of the few societal restrictions imposed. My economy would have state oversight, interracial immigration and miscegenatation would be fatally prohibited. That is where the line is drawn and crossing it means death. >>Anti-bodies, the anti-social No, NS utterly fails in this regard, the part of the reason the "social/antisocial" dichotomy exists is because of the splitting of the population by law enforcement. If you allow the two to breed freely, the extremes at both ends are drastically reduced AND improve the genetic fitness. You need to concede in this regard, I would become a NS tomorrow if it were to abolish law enforcement, that is how important and fundamental this is. >>22609 Kvetching Like I said, my system is in development but you seem to get a grasp of the fundamental base of it; I am flexible and open minded on economics, but support state guidance of it. I am glad we both agree the Rule of Law is an illusory concept. You seem to be coming around to a better way of thinking in regards to it. Ultimately, my goal is to create a New Type of paradaigm more inclusive to all of our disparate factions of ethnocentric Whites. I am completely open to integrating positive aspects of NS into it, but restricting freedoms with exceptions of miscegenation and immigration and the propagation of law enforcement is where I will not compromise
>>22642 I don't even... >think people are equal I have never seen a person try to put so many words in my mouth, this whole post is literally assumptions. >>22644 You had to work upwards of 60 hours a week and that was before the war. This does not work, this is how bugmen are created. Everything else I'm generally flexible on, economically.
>>22757 >You had to work upwards of 60 hours a week and that was before the war. 1. In comparison to what? 2. Source?
>>22762 Here's the couple sources I used>>22584, I could probably find more and better, but I'm not very interested in the economic aspect of this discussion. That hour amount would make sense though, considering the policy of Autarky the Reich had, among the other influences like reduced trade. 2. I'm not aware of what the pre-NS German work week was like, I assume it was probably poor as well.
>>22789 One source is wikipedia and the other a quote from an non sourced "french" book (WW2 Alllies). I assume you must be new to this.
>>22755 "Sexual Appeal" Kek, are you just stringing words together and hoping I don't notice they are utter nonsense? So the thesis of your statement is that you are Pro NS just anti-restriction of freedoms? See my previous statement, the restrictions of certain freedoms are needed for the functioning of society. And certain ideas once applied can spell nothing but doom so must not beeven entertained. The synthesis of new ideas still happens just on higher level and unrestricted by the masses having to "okay" everything. No invention came from the composite brain of the masses. New ideas do not flourish in a liberal society they are crushed when they do not pertain to the theologican idea of "Equality" for when you question the core untruth the whole system crumbles. Liberalism needs totalanarism to survive. National Socialism uses it as an ends to a means. All which I have already said. Explain how you do not think people are equal, you certiantly think people are equal in mental capabilities and knowledge. That's why you want to give everyone freedom intellectually to restrict indivual efficencity. Respond with actual arguments and not foxwords and I'll hear you out.
>>22792 No, like I said, I'm not as interested in the economic aspect of this discussion. The other anon brought up a whole slew of economics in regards to a single brief point I made and rather than ignore him, I thought it better to at least acknowledge it. Not the best sources, but a policy of Autarky and diminished foreign trade would demand a more active workforce, so while certain sources may be dubious, the economic reality of what is required to make Autarky function, is not. Right now, I'm more concerned with the other things that I've been defending. If that all exhausts itself, maybe I'll return to this, but for now, I need to focus on what matters most to me.
>>22801 And in response to that you brought up a faulty source instead of an actual arugment defeding your ideas.
>>22798 >"Sexual Appeal" Kek, are you just stringing words together and hoping I don't notice they are utter nonsense? Kid, I don't like you, do you really think I care about impressing you? Yes, sensual and sexual appeal; something that the puritanical, uptight society failed to deliver. How do I explain this without you taking this to an absurd caricature? Sexuality and sensuality is more than the act of sex itself; NSists (the women and the men acting upon women) are not sexy, they are not seductive; they are uptight, stiff and passionless. NS is sterile, that is why the art was lifeless and rigid. There is a reason why Germans are renowned for being terrible lovers and their is a reason some of the most disgusting and repulsive fetishes have come from Germany (from Germans themselves, don't try to cop out and say Jews or their influence, either). It is because Germans and by extension NS is a repressed people and mentality. This (((sexual-liberation))) is not what I'm talking about either. It's very abstract and difficult to explain, plus you sound like you have majority German blood, so these are alien concepts to you anyways. >See my previous statement Then you do not understand the nature of power through knowledge. An open mind does not necessarily equal an open heart. There is value in nearly virtually all knowledge, and the races with the most curious members are also the most creative and intelligent. An open mind does not mean an open heart; knowledge is power, it is perspective and it is a tool. >>The synthesis, composite brain First of all, things are created by both individuals and collectives, this is how culture develops. >Liberal society We do not live in a liberal society, we live in a (((liberal))) society. There is hardly anything "liberal" about our current state; those that say they believe in "liberalism" tend to be closed minded, as well, just in different ways. >Explain how you do not think people are equal, you certiantly think people are equal in mental capabilities and knowledge. That's why you want to give everyone freedom intellectually to restrict indivual efficencity. Mind boggling how you think I'm preaching equality. There is no equality among anything. Everything and everyone is different, a higher degree of freedom will not change that in the same manner that taking away freedom does not change it. Nothing I've said implies any sort of equality, because equality does not exist outside of mathematics. >efficiency More of an economic topic, we'll get to that later.
>>22810 No, that source is not objectively faulty, you would have to find other sources that objectively refute the claims made by the sources I have provided. I even provided an arguments (they're in the very post you quoted) as to why I'm confident in the relative accuracy of the claims. Kid, I would never trust you in real life. You seem the type to look a man in the eye and lie straight to his face.
>>28813 The liberal society lead directly to the (((liberal))) society as a direct result of it's open nature. A swamp gets the Mosquitos it deserves, much like a nation gets the Jews it deserves. >Sterile What part of NSDAP propaganda was sterile, read Der Angriff listen to Horst Wessel Lied or all the magazines for Hitler Jungend children. It was full of life and attack and passion, And the society around it was built off an eternal dedication to your people and nation above all. It was centered around life and the way of the sun cross. This current society is the one without life, all it had is filth and empty hedonism. Why if a nation isn't a cess pool it's a "cesspool" to you. We aren't Puritans, we simply want basic moral decency to safe guard the life and beauty of our nation. and what's the rest of this trash? The heart? What are you even going on about, do you believe people or ideas and lifestyles are equal or not? They aren't there are two modes. The truth and lies. We know that gravity isn't cause by shadows weighing us down so we don't give that thought the time of day. The same reason we don't give Marxism or any other sedicous ideas the time of day or "platform". Since it can do nothing but harm.
>>28820 sterile not "cess pool" also look up "Hitler 40 hour work week" you will find many sources for this fact. Infact your own source says it was increased in 1939 you know... when WW2 began?
There is simply not a "value in all types of knowledge" or an equal value. The ideas of Marxism or Liberalism have their value as kindling at best.
>>22586 >alcohol has been legal While being almost equally disastrous as hard drugs addiction-wise, it's harder to get addicted to if you drink rarely and in moderation. Not a good comparison >Likewise, when people turn to hard drugs, it is because something is wrong in their life. Doesn't that mean that we should protect the vulnerable from the vultures trying to profit on their misery? Don't pretend that you don't know who is behind global drug trade, and what sorts of purposes those drugs are being used for. Pushing those in major quantities on a country/nation should be treated no different from a chemical attack and an act of war. You obviously think that some of them could be saved, so your approach is not entirely Darwinist. Even if it kills off the weak, it's overall effect on society is still disastrous since it pulls a lot of stronger people, economy, social resources, etc. in the grave as well. If you ever saw a junkie throw himself in front of a car so that he can sue for injury or kills his parents/siblings for not "borrowing" him money for a fix you'd know what I'm talking about. Prevention is always more efficient than treatment. You can't deny that. No excuses. There are also many people who start doing hard drugs out of pure obesity/boredom and because they have everything else in life. >since it took me more than a few tries to get clean Into the trash you go :DDD >I really enjoy engineering and had plans to develop technology for our cause You'd need more than words to show for it, but obviously an exception would be made in that case. NSDAP was highly pragmatic, just ideological. >99IQ Yes, my IQ is indeed greater than 99 >I'm developing one as we speak Why not make a thread showing it's merits rather than kvetching against NS like a third generation Holohoax survivor?
>>22801 >No, like I said, I'm not as interested in the economic aspect of this discussion. Good for you, there's like several posts directly dealing with the OP which remain unanswered. Your logic and take on philosophy remains largely faulty.
>>22813 >NSists (the women and the men acting upon women) are not sexy, they are not seductive; they are uptight, stiff and passionless. It is quite correct. That's the Germans' stiffness for you. But on the other hand, a clear invasion of repeated expressions of sensuality are also the signs of a plunging civilization. We need is an overall mildly chaste society with clear suggestions of eroticism, not a manly beauty as was seen in so much "rigid" NS propaganda sometimes. I'd suggest we start looking into classical arts, great paintings, to show the kind of balance we aim for. We want elegant, refined and feminine women who are high mother material, not stuck up nuns nor whores. However, you must put things back into context. The Germans were facing internal destruction and degeneracy, they had to counter this (from their perspective) with equally strong but opposite principles, even if today they appear excessive. There is no doubt that if they had won, with time they have allowed people more flexibility. >NS was sterile Not really. Stiff on the outlook maybe, but not sterile. Oh sure, you wouldn't find Brazzers content here and there. The protection of life and its nourishment were absolutely obvious and established ways as to build a proper family. The global NS guidelines didn't need to be followed to the letter either, people could frolic around them and let sexuality intrude into the supposedly puritan vision you seem to have of it. They were not passionless either. >heart vs mind That is more esoteric than most people would understand. But then be aware of not opening your heart to everybody; instead, open it to greater ideals. >liberal vs (((liberal))) This is nitpicky. As the other anon said, the liberal customs lead to (((intrusion))). Again it's a question of balance between constraints and liberties, I reject the necessity of craving a liberal system.
>>22822 Something like that yes. Knowing the taste of shit is a form of knowledge. Would one seek it though?
>>22820 Fuck, talking to you is like talking to a wall. We don't live in a liberal society, if we did, we wouldn't have to worry about persecution for expressing our opinions. You are puritans, your "basic" moral decency is suffocating and all encompassing; there is no place where you won't stick your nose and tell other people how to live. >The heart? What are you even going on about, do you believe people or ideas and lifestyles are equal or not? OMFG, I explicitly stated there is no such thing as equality, what the fuck is wrong with you? An open mind does not equal an open heart, self-explanatory. Let me use an example, hopefully, plain enough for your 95IQ: I read the Quran to learn about Islam, but I still consider it my enemy.
>>22835 >alcohol No, it is a functional comparison because many people can't drink in moderation, I used to be one. >Don't pretend that you don't know who is behind global drug trade, and what sorts of purposes those drugs are being used for. Don't speak to me like this, punk. Don't try to flex on me, don't try to act superior. You are basic, low IQ generic trash. >drug addicts Yes, you want to micro-manage everybody's lives. What a fucking bitch, only a bitch wants to do that, especially when a problem solves itself. >into the trash I go Haha, I'd like to see you try, oh, but you'd get someone else to do it for you, right? Yeah, NatSoc "masculinity" in a nutshell. >Why not make a thread Well, uh, good golly, Mr. Supposedly over 99IQ, why would I make a thread for something in development? It's not time yet.
>>22836 What's faulty? Go ahead.
>>22837 >we need No, I want to see a spectrum. Whores, nuns and eveything in between, why? To blend them and create that genetic balance, along with more esoteric purposes. I don't like fags or people with weird fetishes, though. Generally they will decline on their own and most definitely by what I propose since the genetic pool would have more balance and those people would be victimized more often. As far as Germans go, IDK, Germans seem to be completely inept at just living a balanced way and have horrendous social skills. Germans are so quirky about everything, they just garner no confidence. >Not really I will take your word for this, however I still take issue with the sweeping censorship and laws implemented. I know to you, it's a matter of practicality, but I see it as attacking the symptom, not the cause (rampant dysgenia and trait compounding wrought by over-domestication). >heart That's what I meant. Being extremely selective in affection, but able to have an open-mind to take in all points on a horizon. >Nitpicky Strongly disagree, we have not seen genuine liberal societies; just different moral systems that parade themselves as "liberty". I crave freedom; for inspiration, for perspective, for challenge. I also crave it out of pride; I don't want someone else dictating my life, I am confident in myself and most will just hold me back. Most invasions of my autonomy I take at a personal level, because that's what they are; a personal invasion. If life is war, I will seek to destroy all those who interfere in my affairs. I believe in loyalty, though, so I would rather fight at the side of an NS I hate, than the enemy. But if that brother wishes to oppress me afterwards, then we will turn against each other. I do not live to serve, I serve so that others may live. (absolute collectivism vs my collective-individual equilibrium) Thanks for the reply, it was a good one.
>>22838 I love how you guys conveniently exlude things; like when I say- almost all forms of knowledge. Then you go onto reducing a strawman into absurdity. NS, have many ideals, but intellectual honesty is not one.
>>22506 >Objective Logic >Hitler Choose one
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>>23279 Go fuck your self ankap jewfaggot.
>>22508 >all matters are temporal and in constant flux Is the proposition that "all matters are temporal and in constant flux" itself beholden to being temporal and in constant flux? >Hitler is overwhelmingly concerned with establishing absolute principles And you're not by stating that "all matters are temporal and in constant flux", right?
>>23299 By "matters" I mean events and things in the physical world with a concrete, rather than abstract basis. This isn't a philosophic principle, it's just an observence of physical reality. As far as we know, time has never frozen in place, yet even if it did, it once again moved, making that true. Even if this is a philosophic principle, it has justification for being so and most likely the only one with that sole right.
>>22850 >Not real liberalism The American Revoultion was Liberalism in action and look were it directly lead as the result of that liberalism. >collective-indivual So... National Socialism? Liberalism where people vote is inherently collective as the indivual ideas of any states's man is drowned out by the collective brain of the masses. Like sure you can swing but only in this way and with the apporoval of half a million bankers and even more completly random people and media pundits who direct and shape those people's thoughts. The majority of the people aren't purely logical beings. National Socialism gives the indivual freedom in his indivual efficency to propose ideas and shape the nation. While asking that he is actually skilled at his job. >>22846 >I read the Quaran and still consider it my enemy So yes you believe in equality. You believe everyone is a rational human being capable of opening a book and logically deducing it's contents without subcoming to emotion or peer pressure. If this was true we wouldn't have religion or this liberal theocracy in the first place. When people read or learn about something the majority of people ascribe to emotion or past experinces. The raised Muslim clings to the Quaran as well as the raised Christan clings to the Bible. These aren't rational beings and I'm sure you have seen it yourself. They don't "debate" if you disagree you are a "Nazi" or a "Fascist" perhaps even sexist? Thus the majority will never accept your beliefs because of that emotional illogical attachment whether to their invented idea of "National Socialism" or their clinging to a holy book or emotional train of thought; or just simply to the way society moves as most lemmings do. The masses need to be lead by the hand until we can properly educate and shape a new generation and only then can totaltarnism be let up. (As Hitler advised)
>>22851 You're the only one being dishonest here. Whuch "ideas" do you mean? All of them? Some of them? No degeneacy but you can still print "Common Sense"? If they aren't harmfull to society through those ideas spreading, the printing of those books won't be restricted. Even liberal societies annotate and ban books and push propaganda; As they realize paradoxially that liberalism can't survive without totalitarnism.
>>23446 >American Revolution was liberalism I don't want "liberalism", I just want more liberty. That's been my whole point through all of this. That's not what caused it either; it is the genetic weaknesses of the White Race. >National Socialism I don't believe in voting for "leaders", that's not liberty. I doubt very seriously there's much nation shaping under NS, the morality is too rigid. What is NS but another machine? You work for the state, there are laws for everything and you can't even disagree. No, thanks. I'd rather live in the Reich than this shitty paradaigm, but NS is just more of the same old shit that makes men weak and life boring. >So yes you believe in equality. You believe everyone is a rational human being capable of opening a book and logically deducing it's contents without subcoming to emotion or peer pressure. Lol, no, I never even implied anything written here. You are trying to paint me as something you understand so you can attack me. I don't fit into anything you know. I'm not a Libertarian, a monarchist, a NS, Anarchist, Fascist or any other pre-existing philosophy. I am loyal to the 14 words and have my own political philosophy unrelated to any others. >>23447 Lol, no, I'm the only honest one here. I believe in being exposed to the worst things in life, in moderation, of course. It reveals who is weak, what the effects of a certain thing are, how interacts with other things, etc. It is a test, a test of how we react to things. For example, look at the propaganda today; we are able to identify the best and worst portions of our race by how much they resist or embrace the propaganda. I don't want to save the people that submit to it all, I want to seperate from them. Knowledge is power and it has a price; discomfort. That being said, my political philosophy is based on context, so what I would let fly in my hypothetical nation is more a situational affair than a universal standard.
>>22851 You said "virtually all knowledge". That's far more encompassing than even "almost all forms of knowledge" as you pretend having written, which is a lie. The list of information types you don't need or would not even want to possess is almost endless too, including disgusting or hurtful things.
>>23461 Actually, the exact line is " nearly virtually all knowledge". I didn't lie, I made a rhetorical mistake by paraphrasing instead of repeating text verbatim. As far as disgusting and hurtful things, I am interested in that information. Hurtful things can be weaponized and disgusting things are gateways into the mechanisms of decay. If you want me to take responsibility for losing my temper and not giving the conversation the gravity it deserves, I'll do that, it was a childish error. Sloppy rhetorical failures that caused misinterpretation, yeah, I'll own up to those, too. Not once, however, have I obfuscated, intentionally misrepresented or omitted anything to deceive anybody. That would be a crime against myself and I'm here to be tested, not to look good. Keep on with the fine tooth comb, I appreciate it.
>>22846 >You are puritans You'd need to show that sex was shunned and that we still do today as NS supporters. Good luck. >there is no place where you won't stick your nose and tell other people how to live. Say again? Criticizing homosexuality and trying to avoid homos creeping into the army and towards the top levels of all forms of hierarchy is one thing, but I don't recall NS Germany sending the Gestapo into people's rooms to see where men stuck their dicks or if all men were behaving in cartoonish virile ways and avoided licking pussy and even being topped by a woman while lying on the back. >>22847 >Don't speak to me like this, punk. Don't try to flex on me, don't try to act superior. You are basic, low IQ generic trash. You sound extremely insecure. The overall thread hasn't improved much either since the ridiculous OP. >>22850 >Whores, nuns and eveything in between These castes will appear never the less but it is preferable to show the ideal to go for, which for the survival of a kin should be that which puts the mother above the whore and the nun. >I still take issue with the sweeping censorship and laws implemented. Is that a reproach against post-Weimar Germany? If yes, I already explained why strict rules were necessary. There was a strong demand for order. > I know to you, it's a matter of practicality, but I see it as attacking the symptom, not the cause (rampant dysgenia and trait compounding wrought by over-domestication). How do you fight dysgenia in a liberal society when it's likely that a total laissez fair will not bring the vasts majority of people to recapture a greater sense of civilization so as to become real men and not pigs? I hear you about the over-domestication, that is the very real risk of too much statism and quite a complex enigma to be solved, when society has fallen so low, needs discipline, yet will obviously translate into puerile domestication. However it's a never faltering truth that the mass is largely feminine and childish in spirit, always craving an authority and guide. I prefer to have stronger rules to run around than a lack thereof. At a time, the strict rules were enforced by the chiefs of the hearth and the tribes. Then in became a very religious and political affair as civilization grew. I don't think societies ever were that liberal across the millennia of existence. >never seen a true liberal society And never will since people crave rules like children crave firm guidance. Even the so called liberal American society of the 19th and 20th centuries was verily shadowed by moral principles extracted from Protestantism. The liberty only existed in the vast expanses were ranchers ruled, but the closer you got to a city, the more you were to submit to immediate law and the requirement of work-achievement, which has not changed at all but, in fact, worsened dramatically. >rest of message It seems you base your comprehension of NS on the writings of Jews. This thread is really not going anywhere because of the initial errors. However I also read your other message >>23454 and agree with a need for liberty. Excess of Statism and law making is the sign a sick nation. That's at least one thing the USA got right, but it's been forgotten a long time ago, as the federal government has long usurped power it was not meant to possess.
>>23464 Nearly virtually is a repetition and if you were to think a bit you'd realize that there are tons of things you don't want or don't need to know, just like there are tons of books which would be total time wasters, you would not need to know their content. Strict filtering is what is needed and that does not lead to having "almost" or "nearly virtually" all forms of knowledge. >As far as disgusting and hurtful things, I am interested in that information. Hurtful things can be weaponized and disgusting things are gateways into the mechanisms of decay. You're just typing nonsense for the sake of scoring a point. Would like to know about the sensation of hot embers being shoved up yours? Would you feel the need to watch child pornography so as to "weaponize" it? No and I hope not. So grow a brain and go on vacation and stop posting your crap here. What you say makes no sense, it's too retarded to be taken seriously.
>>23466 >sex I just searched "pornography in the third reich" and got mostly books and pdf's. I don't have the time to wade through all this. An Axis History forum https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=42511, has members stating anti-porn laws. For reference, I am in favor of most hardcore and extreme porn being legal, although I have unfavorable views of it. The puritanical issue more stems from the horrifying lack of sensuality in Germans. I would much rather dance with a French, Greek, Italian woman than a German one. I view NS as an extension of German stiffness. >Say again? Once again, drugs in NS are illegal, violence, most porn, etc. There is also the issue of propaganda saturation. I don't wish to chronically surrounded by propaganda urging mean it in certain directions. >castes Yes, they will, but I want legal prositution. The mother is the highest female achievement, but there are many women who will fulfill that role naturally. I want people to make tyhe right choices without the heavy hand; for those that don't, they have other roles to play. >dysgenia My approach isn't laissez faire, it's subtle structure. Here are the steps I would take to reverse dysgenia: Abolish law enforcement and prison; this will reintroduce a variety of "competitive" traits back into our people's gene pool. It will also help with traits not becoming compounded, for example, "cooperative" and "competitive" traits are very segrated because of this system, but by integrating them, we can blunt the altruistic and selfish extremes through childbirth. I would subsidize breeding programs that cross parents with opposite and conflicting traits. I believe this will also produce a higher ratio of polymaths.
>>23467 No, it's not, please stop disrespecting me and I will do the same for you. You are carrying things to impractical extremes "for the sake of scoring a point". I wish for an end to societal babysitting, not anarchy. When people suffer they grow, when there is a chance of danger, they have more edge, when the safety net disappears, they tighten up. "Strength isn't from what you gain, it's from what's taken away". You seem to be a fan of Hitler, let me ask you this; where would he be without the exploitation, without injustice, without pain? It was the darkness inflicted upon his people that lit his light. I propose something similar, but on a much smaller scale. We sharpen each other with hardness on a consistent basis. We do not lounge in nirvana waiting for the next foreign threat to test us; we stay sharp.
>>23467 Another strange thing you do is keep implying vast amounts of stimuli are filtered through a single mind. Different stimuli, different people, different perspectives. Let me ask you another thing, are you hard enough to hypothetically submit the children of your enemies to tortures to weaken and destroy them? Do you have the stomach for it? Enduring physical pain will enhance your understanding of inflicting it, witnessing the things that disgust you will build the stomach to do it to your enemies and inspire new terrors. There is a time and a place for many things. I should be able to hand you a pair of pliers and a hacksaw and watch you dismember the children of your enemies without flinching. Can you do it? If your answer is "no", then you would need to be conditioned with the material you decry as being not relevant.
>>23454 Letting banks buy vote and directly lobby is what brought about the central banking system. And letting any lemming vote resulted in a string of bad presidents who opened the country up even more. >Just want more liberity So an anarchist? Minarchist? If you are not going to subscribe to any existing idealogy at least explain what yours is. >Makes men weak How so? We promote duty and strength. NSDAP Germany even had a fitness program, it's much the opposite. Letting people take undue liberity to engage in hedonistic pornography and acts that damage them or their mind can only weaken that person and country through normilazation.Not everyone is strong enough to stare at a dead body and not vomit. And you can't "strengthen" that person by forcing them to stare. You only succede in breaking them. Look what happened to all those Facebook workers or millions of men in Vietnam who were forced to watch gore all day. None of them are stronger. = = Noone is equal in strength mental or pyshically = = This is why some men are soliders and some are not. Sure I agree with public executions to a degree to keep society sane. But allowing people to stare at let's say gay porn does one of two things; They devolp a sexual reaction to it causing increased negative sexual acts of perversion making them a useless degenerate. or They are disgusted and close the tab. We can induce this disgust through propaganda. Directly viewing it can cause nothing but harm. Or drugs for that matter. There is no reason to let someone do herion. You never get stronger by abusing heroin and that addiction never goes away. All you created is a marginally weaker man or a complete drug fiend and degenerate.
>>23484 >letting banks I don't know what this is about, I said I'm against democracy. >describe your ideology I have been describing it in my posts but I will try to summarize: 1. No cops, no prisons. Safety is generally your responsibility 2. State guidance of the economy; more economic freedom than NS, but regulations against environmental damage and excessive waste among other things (economics in progress) 3. No interracial immigration and miscegenation. 4. Subsidized matchmaking to reproduce higher quality human beings. I have some other ideas, but not developed enough to put here. >How so? We promote duty and strength. NSDAP Germany even had a fitness program, it's much the opposite Yeah, but that's just boy scout stuff. It's good for you, but not in the way that tragedy or hard personal struggle is. >Letting people take undue liberity to engage in hedonistic pornography and acts that damage them or their mind can only weaken that person and country through normilazation. When someone grows weaker, another grows stronger. The people being exploited are ground down, but the exploiters are built up. Eventually, the weak will be culled, strengthening the gene pool. >You only succede in breaking them. Yes, that is the point. This life and what NS is, is too easy. I have been broken, I have had to put myself back together, and everytime, I grew stronger. You don't need to force horror on people, you just need to take away some of their safety. My brother, look how many of our "soldiers" have PTSD, is this right to you? When was the last time you heard about a knight, viking or samurai having PTSD? How about mobsters or gang members? That is the price of having law enforcement and national wars, the elimination of hard, masculine traits. > But allowing people to stare at let's say gay porn does one of two things; They devolp a sexual reaction to it causing increased negative sexual acts of perversion making them a useless degenerate. Yes, this is good, the faster they fall, the sooner they exit the gene pool. >Or drugs for that matter. There is no reason to let someone do herion. You never get stronger by abusing heroin and that addiction never goes away. All you created is a marginally weaker man or a complete drug fiend and degenerate. I started doing drugs at 15, they ruined my life for the next 11 years, but I truly know myself now. I was able to realize I have discipline issues, that I can be impulsive. And yet, without any help, I stopped, on my own. Now, I know the power of drugs. This is knowledge that can be used against enemies. It is perspective, I learned what freedom was when I broke my slavery. It is not all about numbers and productivity, it is the right to have pain. Just as people are mostly free to do what is good for them, let them be adults and do what is bad. I will put it like this: I enjoy challenge, I always play videogames on the hardest difficulty. I could have someone make all the right choices for me, but then what would be the point of playing? I want to be tested.
>>23486 "Gang Members" devolpe PTSD all the time and are not "strong" characters. The majority of them are washed up bony degenerates. Knights and old time warriors as well; The Frenchman Geoferry de Charany mentioned it in his book "Of Chivarly" "when they would be secure from danger, they would still be beset by GREAT TERRORS" Even while a Knight may be away from the battlefield he may still experince it's terrors. Sounds like PTSD. >No Police You can't have no police and taxation. The reason economies exist is because stealing isn't allowed and the goverment insures that through police. Think. I am a man who sells bread, what stops someone from stealing my bread? Me with a rolling pin or the law. What stops this man from bringing a larger force to arms to steal my bread? An even larger force that he will be sure will kill his. The police whether those are provided by the goverment or provided by my fellow bakers. Police -> Civil Polity. Civil Protection. You could have the military intervene but at that point you just made the military the police. Also what are you paying this military? Which you will have to have if you don't want to be invaded and want to enforce your system. You aren't removing the police. That will never happen; you are simply replacing the police with private ones. Who, seeing what happens in let's say 14th Century England will probally not care to upkeep any "anti-racemixing laws" and operate on a completly interpersonal profit system. >The sooner they exit the genepool Faggotry isn't genetic, it comes from abuse and degerenacy and can be cured. The problem with current "gay conversion" camps is that they operate on a pray the gay away systems while shoving them amongst other gay men. Which for obvious reasons doesn't work. All you're doing is unnessaraily creating more gay men. >Drugs Drugs didn't make you stronger. You are weaker because of them; You litterally just said you wasted 11 years of your life on narcotics. That's not good or needed to develop person strength. The opposite is; absecention, dedication and duty. You can build a strong morale fiber by knowing logically what is bad instead of thrusting yourself into it. I know meth is bad. Have I ever tried it? No. Have I been offered it? Yes and I rejected it everytime. That's a sign of strength, sure getting out of it is also strength but that's at the downside of your body being permantly wrecked and you being addicted for life. Addicts aren't strong people, nor are they stronger out the other end. They have simply picked themselves back up and become baseline normal again. Sure getting over addictions to things like morphine makes you more resilant but so does running or fighting; even more so since you learn a valuable skill that isn't how not to skip a needle. We simply don't need drugs, and we need police for a functiuning society
>>23486 Like sure play it on hard but wrecking your computer by sticking a screwdriver through the GPU doesn't make the game harder it just makes your computer shittier.
>>23473 >For reference, I am in favor of most hardcore and extreme porn being legal This is degenerate. Pornography is literally Jewish made. >Once again, drugs in NS are illegal, violence, most porn, etc. Which includes hard drugs and it's preferable because you don't want your children to come close to consume any of that shit. >propaganda saturation We live in a world of propaganda. Back then they had to cleanse Germany of all the degeneracy Jews had been pushing into it and continuously tried to smuggle into the lands. Before that people got their propaganda from the church on a weekly basis. >I want legal prositution. Legal debased whores. I would imagine them being legal only and only if we put in place a system so strict as to make the Japanese geisha groups to look like unprincipled women of the lowest and sickest virtue. > I want people to make tyhe right choices without the heavy hand This I can understand. The more you take people by the hand, the more they are like children and incapable to do anything on their own. It reminds me of this discussion that returns periodically about why Germans resisted so little once they were defeated. The reasons are multiple without being necessarily numerous, and one could be thought as the consequence of so much overbearing ordering. It was a risky option. Strong measures were certainly necessary but in a largely Aryanised organized society, the propaganda would have likely been moved into the religious sphere, providing the illusion of regained breathing space. >Here are the steps I would take to reverse dysgenia: > Abolish law enforcement and prison; It can be reduced but you need a form of higher up authority never the less. I believe there's room for both militia and some kind of kingly or federal lightweight system. >>23474 >No, it's not, please stop disrespecting me and I will do the same for you. Respect is not the problem. Your values as to what make some useful knowledge are most despicable. You greatly underestimate the amount of knowledge we filter out because we find it valueless. I prefer to focus on pro- knowledge than anti- knowledge, for example on resources that provide a clear model for building a society, than gobbling up sixty bazillion books on Marxism so as to pretend to be able to completely "understand" that shit and fight it properly because doing the latter is silly and wasteful. >I wish for an end to societal babysitting, not anarchy. When people suffer they grow, when there is a chance of danger, they have more edge, when the safety net disappears, they tighten up. Agreed. But the moment you build complex infrastructures which are the trademark of equally complex civilizations, you do need regulations. It's inescapable. Otherwise you find yourself building roads but then having people drive on them like Pajeets. You need codes to follow. >>23475 >Another strange thing you do is keep implying vast amounts of stimuli are filtered through a single mind. What do you mean? >are you hard enough to hypothetically submit the children of your enemies to tortures to weaken and destroy them? Torture would be unnecessary, but as a reminder I think nature wouldn't care much. It's up to you to define what is necessary for the survival of the people who matter to you, so once you have covered your needs through war and plunder, you manage the surplus through a strong but sort of respectful diplomacy. Nevertheless, nothing would stop you from exterminating an entire people if you wished to and had the means to do so. This is a point that often flies above the heads of our people. This is why Christians and anti-barbarians are tiring. Of course, when you're literally driven by a mighty rule that states you shall not kill and you'd rather follow it because it's easy and feminine, denying Deuteronomy, aren't you already cucked from the very beginning? > I should be able to hand you a pair of pliers and a hacksaw and watch you dismember the children of your enemies without flinching. Can you do it? If your answer is "no", then you would need to be conditioned with the material you decry as being not relevant. No, that's BS. I'd rather quickly dispatch those kids if push comes to shove, I don't see the point in this torture. But we both know you're a sick fuck who likes pornography too and you have absolutely no Aryan moral compass whatsoever.
>>23454 > I am loyal to the 14 words Doubtful. You could not respect nor preserve the beauty of the Aryan White woman by legalizing pornography. You might also want to look into the 88 Precepts that come with them, wherein you would find little support for pornography and child torture.
>>23486 >When someone grows weaker, another grows stronger. Made up shit. >The people being exploited are ground down, but the exploiters are built up. Eventually, the weak will be culled, strengthening the gene pool. The exploiters are not of the best genetic stock either. Thus far you have only summarized how Jews grew in power and you want this as our model. >When was the last time you heard about a knight, viking or samurai having PTSD? When was the last time you heard about a knight, viking or samurai? >Yes, this is good, the faster they fall, the sooner they exit the gene pool. Basic pornography has you looking at dicks. Let's not pretend this has no effect on a man's mind. >I started doing drugs at 15, they ruined my life for the next 11 years, but I truly know myself now. Great. So you fucking wasted 11 years of life at its peak. You were literally a dead weight to family, friends and society. You were a pure piece of shit and should, by your own logic, have been left to die or even encouraged to die so as to cull you out of society. You were lucky not to overdose or do something dangerous and deadly under drug influence. >And yet, without any help, I stopped, on my own. Something tells me that most people would not. >Now, I know the power of drugs. This is knowledge that can be used against enemies. We don't need to throw our society into the tentacles of drug cartels to know how drugs can ruin people. Also, how are you going to use them against your enemies? All the resources you could use to force a drug market into your enemy's territory could actually be used to reinforce your own country instead. >I enjoy challenge, I always play videogames on the hardest difficulty. mysides.jpg > I want to be tested. There are tons of illegal ways to be "tested" while defending Whites.
>>23495 >police You're missing the point. If there is theft, that's fine, in moderation. You keep equating a minor rise in competitive behavior with total anarchy. Listen, we've been living under your morality, this is where it has gotten us. Everything you preach is the direct cause of where we are now, but you want it to continue. Whites have never been unable to function without law enforcement, that is an absolute fact. Our society literally has no use for them. It is a parasite. I am in favor of a more prominent military to replace LE. >faggotry Is in fact, genetic. The overwhelming base of biological science affirms this reality. >drugs Missing the point again, no they didn't, but overcoming them did. It's not your place to tell me what I can and can't do to myself. We don't need police and never have, that is a fact. White civilization is largely capable of regulating minor and moderate matters. >play it on hard Yes, that is the cost of freedom, the freedom to make mistakes. You want to play on easy and have your hand held, fine, but don't force it on me.
>>23527 >porn is degenerate Well, no duh, that's why I personally dislike it. Porn existed before Jews, I don't see your point here. >hard drugs It's not the state's job to raise your kids, it's yours. The consistent attitude I have seen with this unwavering mentality is a rejection of personal responsibility and independence. Relying on the state for moral guidance and a stiff guard rail has come with a heavy price. You got what you wanted, this is directly your fault. >legal prostitution I don't mind your line of thought on this due to the lethality of AIDS. Before that, I would've just let them do their thing. >This I can understand You do not, you are advocating continued nanny state mentality. >reducing LE Oh good! Finally, the light is shining in! I don't mind "security forces" for public spaces and operations, but if people have any further needs for retributions inflicted on them, that is their sole responsibility. >respect is not the problem It is indeed the problem. Once again, you feel justified in building strawmans and taking them to extremes. Is this all you can do? Maybe you should try a little "r-e-s-p-e-c-t." >Agreed. But the moment you build complex infrastructures which are the trademark of equally complex civilizations, you do need regulations. It's inescapable. Yes, I stated we need regulations. *sighs heavily* >strange thing I mean the more stimuli you limit, the less opportunity for creative inspiration, introspections, reflection, perspective, etc. What "blackpills" one, may "whitepill" another. >that's BS So, you think psychological warfare is BS? That's what torture is, you are just soft. I already stated I don't like porn, but you conveniently ignored that. I could care less about your "Aryan moral compass".
>>23528 >Doubtful. You could not respect nor preserve the beauty of the Aryan White woman by legalizing pornography. You might also want to look into the 88 Precepts that come with them, wherein you would find little support for pornography and child torture. There is no doubt it in my mind where my loyalty lies and I don't give a single damn about your 88 precepts. Your acceptance of me is irrelevant to my loyalty.
>>23530 >When someone grows weaker, another grows stronger. >made up shit A bold faced lie. The predator is nourished by the prey, the young fighter is advantaged by an aging opponent, the examples are endless. I am surprised at such a denial of reality. >the exploiters are not the best genetic stock Of course, I didn't say they were. You are also conviently skipping on how we can reduce this level of extreme behavior. Your morality vs Jewish aggression has revealed which one is weaker; your lofty ideals have brought us into submission, thanks. >Great. So you fucking wasted 11 years of life at its peak Yes and no. I didn't have anybody to be a dead weight to. I worked, paid taxes and put a roof over my head. By my logic, yes, any fatal mistake should have been mine to bear. I practice what I preach. >Something tells me that most people would not. Absolutely, so what? Let them bear the consequences of their actions. >We don't need to throw our society into the tentacles of drug cartels to know how drugs can ruin people. Once again, an extreme strawman. This would not happen and has never happened in a White society. Keep coddling everyone, you reap what you sow. As for the rest, this is not the place to discuss such matrers >mysides It was meant to convey a larger metaphor. How mature. >There are tons of illegal ways to be "tested" while defending Whites. And then we will revert to your comfy, guiding hand, slipping once again into mediocrity and vulnerability.
>>23554 >Well, no duh, that's why I personally dislike it. Porn existed before Jews, I don't see your point here. It didn't. And you still want to legalize what you recognize as degenerate. It's like saying let's legalize pedophilia. >It's not the state's job to raise your kids, it's yours. The consistent attitude I have seen with this unwavering mentality is a rejection of personal responsibility and independence. The lack of legality, written or implied from a higher above power, would not provide the necessary moral validation for a state-wide legal force to actually hunt and destroy smuggling and producing drug networks. You alone you are of limited resources and there is just that much you can do in your little bubble. Your largely anarchy based conceptualization of life cannot work in a larger society. It would barely work at the tribal level since even back then, although laws were not written, people followed laws nevertheless! There is a fine balance between no law and a flood of them. Besides, the less written laws you would find, the more the people would rely on benevolent leaders to act swiftly, effectively relinquishing a lot of their supposed demos power into the hands of a few. We always relied on central authority figures, in the clan, in the city, in the kingdom, and whether the laws were written or not makes no difference at all in this case. The advantage of these old systems was that it was extremely hard to monetize legal activity, therefore curtailing a profusion of workers acting as what would be known as lawyers today. To go back to the topic of drug legalization, including hard drug consumption, I prefer to stand on the side of prudence. That is, not cracking down on consumers, but having enough legal, or say 'regal power to intervene at the higher scale to destroy the drug industry. What you say about the freedom to make mistakes can only go that far too. Even under the heaviest legalization, you are still free to make the mistake. It's just that the consequences are harder. In fact, this is where your logic fails since you risk much more in a legalized system: you expose yourself to the risks inherent to drug consumption and to the legal consequences thereof. You want to be tested and are going for a high-risk lifestyle after all. You unwittingly want more regulation. You crave maximum risk, including heavy punishment. >legal prostitution My point of view is that it will always exist. So bearing that in mind, I'd prefer it to be done in a clean way. Truth being that many prostitutes have advocated for a legal canvas to protect them in their work. The last thing I want to see is these women selling their charms in the streets. I like my streets clean. No dog shit, no migrants, no loud music, no homeless people, no litter, no sex workers, no drug selling.
>>23554 >You do not, you are advocating continued nanny state mentality. You mix everything up. Nanny state is an extreme, not just the status of having some laws. Besides, most people would loathe living in a truly lawless society where the brute and thieves have it all. Your Mad Max fantasy is just that, a boyish fantasy. Time to grow up. >Oh good! Finally, the light is shining in! This has been my opinion for a long time already, what makes you think you changed anything, O Pretentious One? > I don't mind "security forces" for public spaces and operations And what are they going to do? Apply whatever law they want? Illogical. I'd rather everybody policing themselves with weapon carrying than having an "authorized" group (by whom?) acting without any law to back them up to go by. >It is indeed the problem. Once again, you feel justified in building strawmans and taking them to extremes. Is this all you can do? Maybe you should try a little "r-e-s-p-e-c-t." Stop whining and deal with logic of my point instead of asking for respect like a mouth-foaming feminist. I respect sound logic, so provide some at once. >Yes, I stated we need regulations. Well you can sigh heavily all you want because you're not coherent at all. When I say we would need some laws or regulations, you shout nanny state! But then you also ask for regulations. >you don't want to torture kids you're soft Since kids are the least powerful and responsible group within a population, you're not going for the right target either. But I think you're good for the shadowiest fringe activities of the CIA. You should honestly knock on their door. You have absolutely all they want, from torturing kids to selling hard drugs to promoting degeneracy in various forms to having no law to hamper you in your activities. You are definitely a great CIA asset with lots of twisted potential, you just need an epiphany. >>23555 No, you're wrong on this, trust me. Although looking into the 88P would certainly help you understand a few things, the part about protecting the Aryan White woman and her beauty is not part of the 88P but in fact directly meshed into the 14W. >>>/library/114 I'm done with you. Nevertheless, I wish you good luck and hope you will get out of your sordid ways.
>>23574 >It didn't Degeneracy is everywhere in everything. You are degenerate, what do you contribute? You don't strike me as intelligent, creative or scientifically minded. What do you offer that can't be done by a robot or parroted by a talking head. >lack of legality Once again, you fail to understand what I'm proposing and I believe you're doing it intentionally. Central authority, economic regulations, context based limitations on behavior. That's not "Mad Max". >no loud music LMWAO, from the guy that said he wasn't a puritan. I guess you don't consider dishonesty to be degenerate. >>23576 You display no logic. Your degree of societal dictation is a nanny state. No loud music, no drugs, no porn (I assume), no dissenting opinions. I have outlined enough to establish what I propose is indeed not anarchy. You're more intent on "winning" than genuinely understanding me. Keep your luck, I make my own . There is nothing sordid about me; I consume no drugs and alcohol, try to help people when I can and never settle for comfort and satisfaction. If I can't tell you a better way, I will show you.
>>23578 *>no loud music in the streets Didn't mean to strawman by just cutting it down to >no loud music
>>23553 >Your Morality This system has nothing to do with my morality. Nice strawman. >Theivery... in moderation Are you having a go? Haha what is moderate and inmoderate? I can shoplift at the Tescos but I can't steal your car? That's hilarous and not "competive behaviour" stealing is how social parasites who can't produce thrive in societies you wish to create. Social parasites; By defintion take but do not put in. This is a theif, stealing from cars or robbing a bread shop doesn't mean you are of good racial stock. This doesn't make our genetics better it does the exact opposite seeing how you wish us to behave like niggers. >Fag genes No. Faggotry is not genetic are you some sort of crypto-lib? We should shoot degenerates for the same reason we shoot pedophiles. It's a degenerate behaviour that becomes a mental disorder and is for the vast part uncurable. But just like how you can make pedos you can create faggots. What is genetic is the genes for interspecies coorperation which niggers lack and you want to destroy. The very thing preventing us from being Affriiicaaa.
>>23553 Also in detail how do you expect to have "no police" but also laws? >It's not your place to tell me what I can and cannot do Yes that's the job for a goverment to do to make sure the country doesn't turn into Liberia and the racial stock isn't degenerated.
>>23590 You preach law enforcement and no competitive behavior, just like the men who put us in this mess, the Christians and Christian at heart. It is your morality, you have been endorsing it this whole thread. "Do nothing but your job". >Thievery Yeah, if I can steal your car from you personally, I should be able to keep it, that's "natural law". Go back and read all my posts and understand why this would be a relatively uncommon occurence. The same aggresive genetics that cause one to lift a car can also be utilized for more productive purposes like creating braver humans with higher testosterone. The effects of this will manifest in an infinite multitude of ways. The aggressive genes that make one a master bank robber might also make another a top level athlete or great scientist. Genetics are not simple, they can not be understood in terms of "A to B". Think of them as ingredients, the more you have, the larger the variety of humans you can make. >faggotry Is genetic, there is a wide swath of scientific research and literature that confirms this, your denial doesn't change that fact. I also agree pedos should be snuffed. >What is genetic is the genes for interspecies coorperation which niggers lack and you want to destroy. The very thing preventing us from being Affriiicaaa Now this is a strawman! Incredible how post after post, I say I just want balance and yet we always come back to a lie. I believe in cooperation, duh. I never advocated destroying it, nor would my system destroy it. You have such an extreme view of literally everything, there is no moderation with you. Post after post and you still will not wrap your head around a new idea, it's like you have no imagination, it's like everything has to have a predecessor for you to understand it. I advocate cooperation and contention. >>23592 The military, private companies, citizen groups and paramilitary apparatus. Let's say you live in a neighborhood and you and your community set a standard of conduct for your neighborhood, one that you yourselves enforce and regulate, no problem. If someone happens to beat up your friend or whatever, it's your responsibility to get even. If your ride gets stolen, sorry, it's gone, that's what insurance is. Corporations will be monitored by intelligence agencies and the state. Public safety will be provided by contractors, state military or civilian coalitions. >the government's job It's not the state's job to keep the race from degrading, it's ours. The state is just a tool for us to use. Even at my worst, I never had interracial sex or dating and all my gf's have been White (I'm from the city, btw). It's easy to blame everything on drugs, sex, the Jews and what have you, but the issue is much deeper and ingrained than that. We have to continue to think about the issue in new ways and not just jump on the easiest answer. In my paradaigm, there is a place for both you and I.
>>23590 >It's a degenerate behaviour that becomes a mental disorder and is for the vast part uncurable. There are clear biological differences in the brain makeup between heterosexuals and homosexuals. Factors seem to be environmental and relate to problems in fetus maturation.
>If I steal your car from you should be able to keep it >This is the Natural Law No it's not. Wolves for instance cooperate with eachother and will assign certain wolves different roles based on their age gender and pack standing. The pack leader (reffered to as the alpha from here on out) will divide the spoils amongst the pack based on these afformentioned criteria. That is the natural law; "Everyone gets what they put in" If a man works all day and earns himself a car he does not deserve to have it taken and any man who takes his earnings deserves to be punished. It's like this; A wolf who didn't particpate in the hunt and whom steals food from someone who did doesn't deserve that food. Sure it shows he is sneakier or "stronger" in the simpliest terms but so is a nigger. A nigger is primally better at doing niggardly shit like stealing cars but what sets us apart and wolves apart is that we work together. One wolves can not hunt a wolf as good as many wolves; so we divide the spoils. If nobody got what they put in why would they put in? It's the same reason Communism doesn't work. And it's the reasons we have always thrived while niggers have died. We work together and divide the spoils and get alot more done. What is good for the whole is good for the indivual but what is good for the indivual is not always good for the whole. >Faggotry I haven't seen any data to suggest it's generic and either way faggot behaviour can be brought on by consumption of homosexual porn. That's how degeneracy works; you can train your brain to like certain things and if your end goal with sex is just base pleasure why not shove a broomstick up your pooper?
>>23598 >It's not the state's job to stop the race from degrading it's ours. Yeah here you go again. The ability to stop a race from declining not to mention upbreeding that race requries a strong state to enforce anti-race mixing laws and the like. Leaving it up to "civilian coaltions" is retarded and unfeasiable. There are varying opinions what's to stop them from being communist or just roving gangs? This gives more power to random people than democracy does. And let's say these Civvies manage to keep order. Why would anyone join them? Why does anyone join societies. Protection would be the main thing they could provide seeing how your state doesn't want to prevent theft or battery (the only way economies exist). So you have just created police and another state within your state as people would be forced down two roads; Civilian Police (Agaranians) Joining your local gang (Hunter Gathers) Numbers in the long term are always better and are nessasary to the protection of your property. One man can't protect all the doors nor can one man eaisly patrol and hold a large enough space to be self sufficent. Numbers are nessasary. >But the military! How.. how would you even pay that military? What currency? Would you have your own self sufficent Civil Police and hope to god it remains big enough and that nobody ever tries to invade? That doesn't sound feasiable.
90fb79 is such a huge ball of contradictions and fucked up principles
>>23608 Yes, it is natural law. Once again, you're strawmanning. Your defense is always "nigger, nigger, nigger". You literally pick and choose what facts of natural law you accept and deny. I preach cooperation amongst ourselves, therefore your wolf metaphor also applies to what I'm saying. Dude, you literally ignore everything you don't like. You don't believe in natural law. >If a man works all day and earns himself a car he does not deserve to have it taken and any man who takes his earnings deserves to be punished. This is not natural law. This is humanist morality. The man that takes your car has to work for it, he has to risk his life. That takes a lot more heart than mixing concrete or pushing papers all day. >Data Yeah, because you have no interest in science. It's out there, bud, go look.
>>23611 Wow, once again, with this BS! Whites are not niggers. There's literally no incentive for the society to rip itself apart like you keep deluding yourself into. Why would we suddenly become like Africa because of more freedom? It wasn't freedom that made Africans into what they are, it was the environment they had to evolve into. Whites are evolved towards more cooperation, but the dysgenic morality you believe in has made us what we are, period. I advocate a strong state, strong military, great education and public services, a regulated economy; all the pieces for civilization are here. You have no imagination and you will deny anything you disagree with, just be honest. You're not reading my posts, you're not listening and you keep making false comparisons. Let's be honest, you are weak and a coward, you have no character and blindly follow what sounds good to you. You know nothing about nature, science, psychology and even your own race. You are useless and contribute nothing other than virtue signaling and menial labor which can be done by a machine. >>23616 There are no contradictions in what I say, it is fools who refuse to listen. My principles are valid. I stand for strength, growth, integrity, honesty and everything that facilitates them. We've done it your way; welcome to the fruit of your labor.
>>24359 You're ignoring what I'm saying. >Cooperation is impossible without rewarding those most productive members of society. (The wolf that gives back to the pack) >Rewarding these members is impossible if stealing is made legal. (The wolf has no incentive to give back) >Being able to steal does not prove you are the most productive, usefull or even of any genetic worth. (The mongrels can steal from a wolf it does prove they are superior) It rewards those whom are the exact opposite. Those who are niggerish and can not work or provide society with anything of worth so they resort to stealing. A man who is productive and of valuable and who lives in a society that works to reward those most productive and valuable. Would never have to resort to stealing, only genetic trash would. Stealing isn't hard nor does it make you a man. Most gang-bangers and theives (your idea of an Aryan) are again bony faggots whom use superior numbers, stealth and firearms to get their way not strength. Five men beating one does not prove they are stronger. >Africa Africa's situation today has nothing to do with its' enviorment. They are where they are today due to the inability of blacks to work together and the lower IQ on average of the black race. Austria had/has less natural resources than all of East Africa yet she formed an empire out of all the Balkans. Not to mention if this was true why were the Boers so succesfull in a land Africans couldn't manage even after the Boers did all the hard work. It's because Africans don't reward the most productive and worthy members of their societies. They reward liars and thrives and fall to work together through a genetic predispostion to antisocial behaviour. This is why their societies fall apart, this is why communist societies fall apart. This is why your society would as well.
>>24364 theives* not thrive fail* not fall
>>24364 Alright, let's get into yet another strawman. >>Rewarding these members is impossible if stealing is made legal. (The wolf has no incentive to give back) Wrong, there is always incentive. The majority of people are going to pursue non-dangerous forms of productivity because it is of lower risk to themselves. This is common sense when addressing Europeans. >A man who is productive and of valuable and who lives in a society that works to reward those most productive and valuable. Would never have to resort to stealing, only genetic trash would. Stealing isn't hard nor does it make you a man. Most gang-bangers and theives (your idea of an Aryan) are again bony faggots whom use superior numbers, stealth and firearms to get their way not strength. Five men beating one does not prove they are stronger. Another strawman and misrepresentation. I never said thieves are ideal Aryans. I don't even believe in corny, universalist, idealistic shit like that. Stealing is hard, you have to have balls to do it. It is a huge risk for yourself. I'm not talking about meth heads, I'm talking real guys like old school Mafiosos and outlaw cowboys. The people you call "genetic trash" have value, because it is their genetics that keep the rest from becoming over domesticated. No one thinks a factory worker is sexy, you need people with attitude and style. Their genetics keeps the testosterone of the gene pool healthy, ensures good sexual health, ensures adequate levels of aggression, are ambitious, etc. These people are also more practical minded, they don't dwell in pie in the sky ideals and tend to be realistic. You are throwing members of your own blood away for servitude to cuck morality. Stop looking at everything as A to B. Life isn't that simple, you have to look beneath the surface to find the value of some people. >Africa's situation today has nothing to do with its' enviorment. Stop, right now. You have no idea what you are talking about. The pressures and demands of a species' environment shape and mold that species for survival to that habitat. This is literally basic biology. Dude, you have got to get more interested in science. I was hating you before, but now I wish I could just sit down with a textbook and try to tutor you. >Austria had/has less natural resources than all of East Africa yet she formed an empire out of all the Balkans. Yes, but it is more abundant in resources like food, wood and water. This lead to a more cooperative environment because the struggle for food, water and shelter isn't as strained as in Africa. >Not to mention if this was true why were the Boers so succesfull in a land Africans couldn't manage even after the Boers did all the hard work. Because Boers' ancestors were not selected to have to be as competitive as African's for survival. European climate favors cooperation and forward planning (because of winters), while Africa's requires immediate actions (because harsh lands, abundant lethal predators) and high competition (small amounts of food and water, hot temperatures). And there is no such thing as "anti-social" behavior, that's just a (((social construct))) created to discriminate against deviants of the (((state))). Nature gave these traits to humans to help us survive and thrive. Africa is the way it is because they are in the process of being domesticated. Law Enforcement (of the White man) is a big middle finger to mother nature and we are paying the price.
>>24364 And I'm not ignoring what you're saying, it's correct, but it doesn't apply to literally everything. You have to have balance.
>>24373 All forms of productivity become dangerous once you allow stealing. What's the point in providing the city with bread if I'll just have it stolen. This means I either form my own police undermining the goverment's authority or do what they did in Rhodesia. Form self-suffiecent farms and stick to ourselves and shoot anyone that gets close. >Old school mafioso and outlaw cowboys So people like Al Capone? A degenerate who used overwhelming numbers and firepower to get his way and died from syphillis contracted from a prositute? Yeah top of the genetic pile. No stealing is not hard if it was theives would actually get a job. Any retard can carhop and shoplift and break open homes and if he has numbers any retard can steal from a hot house. And yes it is ussually scrawny gang members doing this. They just use Capone's way firearms and numbers. >Africcaaa Notice how I said "Africa's current state" regardless of where they got their inferior genes they are still inferior and the reason they do not thrive today.
>>24414 >All forms of productivity become dangerous once you allow stealing Once again, you're glossing over the very real point I made above; most (White)people are not going to steal because it is a danger to themself. >So people like Al Capone? Al Capone was a tough man who was very generous to his community. Stealing is hard, not everyone wants to work some wagecuck shitjob that is a waste of time and boring. Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Go try to lift a ride, hack a bank network or rob a bank. Come back and tell me "it was easy". >Notice how I said "Africa's current state" regardless of where they got their inferior genes they are still inferior and the reason they do not thrive today. Then you're not even making a point. Africa does not equal Europe. You're literally basing your entire argument on a fallacy. The fact is, people like you, with your beliefs, destroyed Europe. You've spent a whole thread poorly attempting to tell me my system is dysfunctional, with literally no proof. Whereas, on the other hand, the universal and abstract morality that you hold dear, is why our race is so weak and why we are in this mess. All you do is value pure productivity; a short-term obsession, without understanding the long-term ramifications. You are wrong and you know it, but the honesty is simply absent to admit it. Everything you preach, has been tried and tested. It has failed. All you value is comfort, just like your short-sighted ancestors. You wanted a safe world, a "fair" world, a life without competition. Go look outside, turn on the TV, and then go look in the mirror. This all reflects you, you are the cause of this. Do not call others degenerate when your worldview stems from submission to fear and comfort; it is you who is the true degenerate. Life doesn't have any morals or virtues, it follows but a single law; survival by any means necessary. You are the past, I am the future.
>>24416 Yeah, If most people were to afraid to steal we wouldn't have the crime rate we gave now. Police, goverment controlled or not keep people in line. Without that the rate will increase not decrease. Especially if you give these junkies fee reign to kill to take a purse off some grandma. >Al Capone Al Capone was a greasy fat meatball of a man. Stop watching so much Jewtube he fucked over the community more than he helped. He's just as much of a weak faggot as the recent Whitey Bulger the only mobster I could come close to respecting is Red Shea and he left that shit behind and is a bit of a degenerate himself. You're only going to be helping meatball degenerates and crackheads bred how does that help? Yeah Europa was fine when Hitler ruled and the kings of old ruled. That's what I want back not this liberal hellhole. You keep on saying I'm strawmaning but you do it every post and then you try to back up your claims with shit you saw at the movie theater. Give me a break, a life of crime isn't as hard or as romantic as you think.
>>24425 You don't even know what a strawman is. A strawman is when you build up a subject to attack even though it's not relevant (Like the constant implications of anarchy from you), how about the false comparisons? (comparing Africa to Europe, wolves to humans, which your understanding of is also deficient, like how the alpha hordes breeding females). What about all the times you've misrepresented me? (claiming I don't believe in cooperation, acting like I have ideals of Aryans). All this convinces me that you don't really know what a strawman is. >Yeah, If most people were to afraid to steal we wouldn't have the crime rate we gave now. Police, goverment controlled or not keep people in line. Without that the rate will increase not decrease. Especially if you give these junkies fee reign to kill to take a purse off some grandma. Uhh, the crime rate we have now is mostly from non-Whites, LOL. I've been saying this whole time that crime rate from Whites not only needs to increase, but we need to breed those genetics into other Whites for the purpose of improving the race by expanding the gene pool, reintroducing useful traits and creating more dynamic personalities. There is no such thing as "crime", btw, there is only human behavior. Yeah, someones granny might get mugged, deal with it or do something yourself, but don't be a self-righteous cunt and expect society to play Lady Justice. >You're only going to be helping meatball degenerates and crackheads bred how does that help? But there are law abiding degenerates breeding. Most NatSocs like yourself are below 105IQ, that is degenerate. If you actually took the time to read my posts the point is to breed the people you don't like with the people you do like. Why? Because law enforcement separated the genetics so much, instead of balanced human beings, now we have people that are so 1 dimensional, it's killing the race (over altruism, over idealism, low testosterone, low sex drive). >Al Capone I'm going to not even address this dumb shit, because that's what you want, something easy and basic that makes you feel safe. Of course, out of everything out of the above post, you pick the only thing you feel comfortable (you're addicted to it, yet call other people junkies) commenting on. No, stop running and stop hiding. Address everything else I've been saying. >law enforcement destroys the gene pool, resulting in the dysgenic population we have now >law enforcement is degenerate because it nullifies people's chances to endure adversity, is detrimental to male competitiveness, destroys peoples' sense of responsibility for their safety, destroys the autonomy of people to handle their personal affairs regarding security and retribution, dulls their sense of awareness from not having to be cognizant of predation, decreases intelligence from limiting available stimuli and problem solving, etc Let's start with these. You are to address the above greentext and nothing else; no strawmen, no topic changes, no bullshit. Let's see what you got.
>>24425 Actually, we're not making enough progress with this tit for tat nonsense. I'm going to support my bottom 2 greentext points in this post >>24428 with scientific literature, studies and sources. Please let me know when you are ready and which area you'd like to address first; genetics and biology or psychology.
>>22530 >The White Advancement Struggle™ >>22539 >i'm a NewType™ you seem like a pretty cool guy. i like how you add an extra space between lines too
Comrades OP is gay and psychotic, years of substance abuse and dissatisfaction with life made him in a continuous state of psychosis, do not feed on to his dillusions. Also He unconsciously recognizes his own inferiority and incompetence and projects it onto hitler.
>>22553 What the fuck is this video? Is this meant to be a source? Its just a bunch of scientists saying "I'm skeptical" without saying why or how they think that the theory is not correct. They dont even offer any "alternative facts " which a lot of other pseudo-science does. We will probably never know the whole truth, but the current WIDELY accepted theory answers more questions and provides more evidence than any other theory.
>>22506 >making me wonder if he worshipped Nature as his own mother Sane and spiritual people do
>>24359 >There are no contradictions in what I say, it is fools who refuse to listen. My principles are valid. I stand for strength, growth, integrity, honesty and everything that facilitates them. We've done it your way; welcome to the fruit of your labor. You were the one claiming >>22508 >any attempt to establish a universal and objective philosophical view of the "natural world" is impossible This statement remains retarded. You have not been able to make it any valid. Natural Law stems from unmovable divine principles which will be there for as long as there is a universe into which they can be expressed. You sound like a retard who claims that Natural Law is a "social construct" or some ball of philosophical buzzwords. You certainly are closer to understanding what these laws are than 6d7bdd, but you're not there yet.
>>23602 Starting with brain size in fact. >>23608 >No it's not. Wolves for instance cooperate with eachother and will assign certain wolves different roles based on their age gender and pack standing. >The pack leader (reffered to as the alpha from here on out) will divide the spoils amongst the pack based on these afformentioned criteria. That is the natural law; "Everyone gets what they put in" >If a man works all day and earns himself a car he does not deserve to have it taken and any man who takes his earnings deserves to be punished. This is so wrong. Stop applying these absurd moral values to Nature when they only are meant to work within the group you form with other humans, that is, within a society (as evidenced by the rest of your posts). Understand this, you keep what you can protect, eventually ready to kill for it if necessary. In Nature you'll find a lot creepers that steal stuff from other species. You take the example of a wolf pack but do not consider how unfair this situation would be seen from the prey's point of view. To this, there is no Good nor Evil. Nature won't apply instant negative karma to thieves. >I haven't seen any data to suggest it's generic and either way faggot behaviour can be brought on by consumption of homosexual porn. How can a heterosexual person even want to watch faggot porn exactly? It would seem that this behaviour is the expression of a neurosis caused by something else, either deeper or earlier in life. Otherwise it's not logical. Either you must have had those tendencies in you, or somehow I'd wager you must have been mentally broken by something or someone terrible. >>23611 >Yeah here you go again. The ability to stop a race from declining not to mention upbreeding that race requries a strong state to enforce anti-race mixing laws and the like. You don't get it. That state (and why do you want so much the state to do all of this) can only come to be if the people want it. It is actually absurd to hope a state could enforce a race-preserving program onto a people who doesn't want any of it. The state is an entity that reflects the people it's meant to help. You must first change what people have in the mind.
>>28227 >We will probably never know the whole truth, but the current WIDELY accepted theory answers more questions and provides more evidence than any other theory. FYI, Einstein's explanation of gravity is WIDELY accepted too. Yet it's pure garbage. So don't count too much on mainstream science and academia..

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