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WHICH ONE IS RIGHT? Anonymous 06/09/2020 (Tue) 20:17:05 ID:a042d0 No. 29160
I see this as a common problem, just wanna know your opinion, anons.
National Socialism transcends fascism and seeks to apply the eternal laws of Nature to the social and political realms.
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>>29160 The second one is correct.
NS falls under the umbrella of Fascism which is Natural Order. Read some Alexander Slavros, you fag puppet.
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>>29480 The opinions of mystery meat slavros do not supersede National Socialism. & yes i have read Next Leap et.al.
>>29161 this
>>29160 Nazism is in a very particular corner, Fascism is simply a political approach that can be picked up by a wide range of entities. Of course, that such an arbitrary entity could likewise closely immitate the Nazis in spite of being in a seriously different corner, and, say, call their political movement Scoial Nationalism or something, but they'd be due to be noted as hardly nazi.
>>29779 <National Socialism ftfy.
>>29791 Bah! That just really obfuscates what's at play here. It overhandedly implies that it's just the crossing over of nationalism and socialism. That's very anti-clarifying lined up right beside a term with a Roman root and symbol. "Nazism" drives home the point that it's the thing that the Germans did, which they did do in very particular ways, while the Latin European countries were much more lax with it. And so it just gets predictable, like a self perpetuation factor. The Fascists didn't have the same successes, so they're not going to have people intensely believing in them comparably. Even compared to Kekkonen, he's probably way more popular than Mussolini, if not that much moreso than Coudreanou ... rather fittingly, considering that the Finns were a much less troublesome ally for the Germans.
>>29803 We dont believe in National Socialism because it worked. We believe in National Socialism because its the truth. The fact that it worked is just a symptom of that. National Socialism id far more than a mix of Nationalism & Socialism. Like National Socialisms success both Nationalism & socialism are products of the underpinning worldview. A worldview you know nothing about. faggot.
>>29817 Yet fascism is supposed to "be truth" though it "worked" like a British public health program? So it's far more than a mix of the two, yet you can't deal with it being referred to as anything but National Socialism? You faggot that routinely gratifies itself with a fasces of dildos.
>>31254 >strawmanselffellatio National Socialism isn’t the same as Fascism. Inb4 inspired by! Influence is not 'the same as'. Its like you have no idea what we think but want to object to it anyway so you just flail around like a faggot?
>>33414 lol, thats iron march tism. Slavros (I M senpai) believed that while National Socialism & Fascism were different but they came from the same *shudder* spiritual place. To understand how fucking retarded the mutt king of IM was you only need to understand that he also included the Alchemists & the Knights Templar as also coming from the 'same spiritual place' under the same 'invisible banner'. If you want you can read 'Next Leap' if you can stomach it. Its not without value but ultimately irrelevant. I M had a good library & some interesting ideas - i kinda liked their special brand of try hard, but were kinda thick at the same time. Im surprised someone hasn’t posted that fucking wheel of fascism pic...
>>29817 >We dont believe in National Socialism because it worked. We believe in National Socialism because its the truth. The fact that it worked is just a symptom of that. Really? How many National Socialist nations are there? Seriously, it didn't even last half as long as most communist regimes and those were fucking nightmares of massive human suffering. Whites need something far far better than National Socialism.....
>>33456 Capitalism?
>>33420 Including the Templars but not the Teutonic Knights, how odd. (unless he did) >>33458 That's what Hitler already did, hijacked Strasser's movement and allowed a dose of capitalism mixed in.
>>33456 Its short duration was a result of massive external force from three superpowers, not any internal failing. Inb4: that they started! Nope, Hitler offered peace terms repeatedly & it was Poland that invaded Germany. In its 12 years it proved superior to capitalism & marxism. It worked brilliantly. National Socialism is the truth not merely because it worked, but because its underlying principles are true. Natural Law is the only way.
>>33466 >hijacked Strasser's movement Commienugger detected. National Socialism pre dated Strassers bullshittery. National Socialism isn’t capitalist or marxist. You know shit, gommrade.
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>>33481 >it was Poland that invaded Germany
>>33483 Look up german civil war. Led by polish jewish communists, while your at it might as well check out the ethnic cleansing of germans
>>33484 You're reaching quite far there, claiming the spartacist revolution, an internal German revolution which had the support of many of your fellow Krauts among Poles and jews, is somehow to be equivalent to an invasion by a foreign power, even more so considering that Poland stood as a bulwark against the single largest communist power for 20 fucking years. But no, let's forget that and pretend Poland was the big bad bully.
>>33484 Also, if you want to raise the issue of ethnic repressions, you can look to the father of Germany himself, Bismarck, and his own ideals of Germanising Polish lands which were put into effect in Poznań, which had never been part of any Germany or German state before the perfidious partitions, which truly displayed the lack of honour in the way Germans and Russians alike conduct their politics and warfare.
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>>33485 >internal Right, and the present day Syrian Civil War is just an "internal" matter. > Poland was the big bad bully Not saying that, just that there was a reason for Germany to go into Poland to help ethnic Germans >>33488 >father of Germany himself, Bismarck, For simplicity's sake let keep things to events the occurred in the 20th Century
>>33490 >Right, and the present day Syrian Civil War is just an "internal" matter. Except that the Syrian Civil War is being puppeteered by global powers with weapons supplies and corporations with money. In comparison the Polish state was but a fledgeling, trying to find its own course in the world, troubled by its own political instability (which culminated in Piłsudski's military coup) and definitely not in a position to have any direct involvement in the spartacist revolution. Not to mention the fact that, as I said, Poland was not very keen on communism itself, given that Poland's very existence was threatened from the get go by the soviet union. >Not saying that, just that there was a reason for Germany to go into Poland to help ethnic Germans I am not saying that the Polish state did nothing wrong, but I was specifically replying to the idiotic claim which stated, and I quote, that "it was Poland that invaded Germany". For the sake of keeping the goalposts where they are, I will not lump your argument in with the quote. >For simplicity's sake let keep things to events the occurred in the 20th Century Why should we? The Polish state was only founded in 1919, so your arbitrary rules restrict us to only the previous 19 years of the 20th century for context, while for some reason keeping the next 55 after the second world war which had no bearing on Polish German relations, and conveniently skips over the final 30 or so years of the 19th century when the German Empire repressed Poles to the greatest extent until of course during the second world war. If you want to restrict the timescope to 100 years, fine, I agree, but make it more relevant to the context of the conversation, like between 1850 and 1950. That way dirty dealings on both sides can be brought to question, not like what you suggest, which hides the ugly reality of the German treatment of Poles while highlighting the inverse, and making it seem unprovoked.
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>>33488 >Germanising Polish lands which were put into effect in Poznań, which had never been part of any Germany or German state before the perfidious partitions, which truly displayed the lack of honour in the way Germans and Russians alike conduct their politics and warfare. Pics
>>33506 Yes, what you've got there is a map of Germany after the Prussian conquest of Polish lands during the partitions, to which they had no valid claim. From the very formation of the Polish Kingdom in the 10th century by the Piasts who originated from Greater Poland, the lands that were stripped by the Prussians, through the reign of many Kings, such as Kazimierz the Great, all the way up to the partitions; for over 700 years those lands had been part of the Polish Kingdom, a key part of the Polish nation. Before it comes up, Śląsk is a different case entirely, it has been part of Poland, Bohemia, Austria, Prussia etc., and has always had a distinct identity. Poznań, however, a cornerstone of Poland as much as Kraków, has never been German until those three wars that wiped Poland off the map, and thus Germany put in lots of time and effort attempting to eradicate all notions of Polish heritage from it.
>>33507 >1850 and 1950. That way dirty dealings on both sides can be brought to question Only off by 400 - 1000 years, and miles away from thread topic of National Socialism and Fascism. Thread being thoroughly derailed now, I will leave discussion.
>>33509 Yeah, true, I didn't mean to derail the topic, just wanted to point out some retardation which then snowballed into an argument. To clarify, I have nothing against my German brothers, I wish us to live in peace, but much like Hitler was ready to fight for Germany above all, for me Poland is sacred and such bullshit remarks as 'Poland invaded Germany' are not only untrue, they are insulting.
>>33512 No worries, didn't mean to imply you were intentionally trying to derail.
>>33530 something else important people should remember is what caused the great war (tldr certainty of russia possessing the military to steamroll europe in a few years' time after they began encroaching on germany and austria-hungary with the aid of france)
>>33530 If you want to show me evidence, and keep derailing the thread even after I and another anon agreed not to, then at least provide me with quotes or page numbers, as I do not exactly fancy sifting through a 354 page book just to find some half-assed attempt at exonerating Germany with half-truths and propaganda (the page your link directed me to simply wrote about some likening of Germany to Carthage which has nothing to do with my original rebuttal regarding the ridiculous notion that Poland somehow invaded Germany during the Spartacist revolution).
>>29160 test fuck 4cuck jannies
>>33534 Its the entire thing. The pdf is a collection of excerpts by a variety of authors with primary sources given at the end. Its all good stuff, just start reading. If you are triggered by reading 'nahtzzeee propaganda' then it may interest you to know that many of the sources are British etc... As for derailment, the thread is already settled here: >>29161 >>29473 >>33420 No meaningful counter has been made that i can see.
>>33543 Right, might give it a read, so. My original response, though presumptive, was simply because while I know WW2 was not a simple as many make out to be, and there were shady dealings on both sides, my original qualm was only about the ridiculous notion that "Poland invaded Germany"; no more, no less, and if that book is meant to somehow support such a false notion, then I'd seriously question its credibility.

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