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Druid/pol/ the B.O.N.D. bunker Anonymous 06/18/2020 (Thu) 20:17:30 ID:f7badb No. 29430
Greetings one and all the last druid/pol/ thread has gone far beyond its bump limit and sinks towards its natural end. The cycle continues with our June 20th rite due this Saturday. All anons are welcome to discuss British news and politics in this thread alongside our usual esoteric discussions. Hope you're all well lads.
Somersetpooster here. I now hate this alias, along with /shit/ so I'm going to swap it for "Woddy", as in "Wodian", but less arrogant. I am new to the BOND, & I was very concerned when the last thread sunk away so fast, as soon as it was unpinned. Ty for letting me know that you lads are still going, I feel a little bit less insecure now... In order to fill out this post, I've been reading Bronze Age Mindset for the second time, & - deep in the night - I've been tucking into Odin's Gateways, as it was posted in the last thread. I will now stfu, & return to my rightful place as a lurker, goodbye. AVE DRVIDICVS & good night.
>>29432 Bonelad here, glad the pdf I posted is getting some use! Best of luck lad I will contribute the only good source of info on Baltic belief in English (that I know of), so that you may compare with other European faiths and learn. Also, a nice song about the gods and our ancestors. Seems a bit corny at times, but the guitar tone is warm and sounds good anyway.
Is anyone here at all familiar with the works of Michael Tsarion, particularly on his conception of the Druids and their history? He believes that the Irish Druids are the remnants of an Atlantean tradition, which spread to many parts of the ancient world, most notably Egypt, and it is with these Druids that post-‘flood’ ‘civilisation’ actually begins. Furthermore, he believes that the pharaoh Akhenaton and his ‘Atonist’ entourage is the source of all modern ‘evils’. They were the actual ‘Israelites’ of the bible. All secret societies, such as the illuminati, templars, masons, sabbatean frankists, etc, stem from this Egyptian faction. Most royal families of Europe have also been apparently infiltrated and corrupted by this ideology/bloodline. You can find more info on his many websites. This man is questionable for many reasons, but his deep analysis of certain organizations, their symbolism, such as the templar knights, is quite striking. If anyone is at all versed in any of these topics, I would very much like to read your takes. Particularly, his demonisation of the Templars made quite the impression on me, as this organization was always a source of inspiration over the years, perhaps mostly in regard to their aesthetic and martial heroics, more so than their actual ‘quality’, which is of course quite questionable if conspiracy theorists are to be heeded.
still wondering about the esoteric implications from >>28885 hope all is well with y'all.
>>29438 For me it's been snakes. I have been in my current area for a few years and have never seen any here. Now, I see one a week since a couple weeks ago. Rattlesakes, water snakes, etc. Always right in the middle of the path I'm on, but not aggressive. Just like the owlposter, I have bad feelings about what's happening in the US at the moment.
>>29444 >Non aggressive snakes <Non aggressive nigges That means you might start seeing more nigges of the non aggressive type. The media at least have been showing them like that
>>29438 I have felt it too, a dark ominous air that seems to be regarding the state of our nation. I suspect though, that it may be Black Magick at work, attempting to prevent the rise of the Black Sun, and subsequent awakening of the Wild Horde. As a lodge, I can only imagine that We have a greater sensitivity for such things. Perhaps it is simply the despair and negativity of the masses being cast throughout the Aether? Brother, you sound as though you have let the darkness touch you. Stand tall brother! Even if death should be your fate, it is not the end! I try to keep my thoughts and mind now on the light which seems to be in the future. Can you feel it? Just as though upon the other side of the horizon, threatening to break into a twilight, a Light of Our ancient home. Our victory is assured! Do not let the enemy break your spirit brother. I think that this current state must end. Though, that is not to say it is the end of our Nation. Death, to die, to become something new and better, is the Alchemical way. >>29444 >snake The snake has a lot of esoteric connections. I am not too familiar with much of it, as I am likely among the less knowledgeable of the lodge, however, I can say that there is a connection to the Ogdoad, as well as to Kundalini. There is, at the base of the spine for every Double Born, a coiled Serpent. A Phoenix in ash. Perhaps these are portents of this? I do not recall the connection to the Ogdoad off the top of my head, except that there, IIRC, is a snake-headed God or Goddess?
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Alright lads? Hope all's well? I missed most of last thread, just needed a break because I was getting cranky. I've been using the time to line up some dates once things start getting back to normal. I've been meaning to do it for a while but I guess current events have just spurred me on to think about my future. Finding a good woman and hopefully starting a family is one of the few things that is in my power to actually achieve. >>29432 Woddy lad, I've been in these threads since the beginning and I still don't feel qualified on many subjects but it doesn't stop me sperging or spouting off about stuff I know nothing about kek. Most of us are prettty chilled here I would say. Btw I think the reason the last thread sunk was because it's been bumplocked and not recently b/c I checked in here a couple of weeks ago or something and it was then. >I've been reading Bronze Age Mindset for the second time So it's worth reading then? I bought it for my normie brother and he seems quite taken with it. He's not read anything like it before. >>29433 Ta lad. Do you know any good sources for Slavic traditions like Russian? Not the modern revival, more like academic studies of the old religion and such.
>>29444 observed. has there been anything else the snakes have in common? common colorations, or mannerisms (aside from observing the NAP). >>29459 >black sun I fucking hope so. i'm tired of having to stay silent, and watch lessers burn that which my forefathers built. the city here recently removed a statue that had proudly stood downtown, and moved it into a museum so niggers could be "happy". the yankee and the California faggot invade my land, and bring their eternal disease with them. I only wanted to play vidya. >darkness I have always lived with a touch of pervading darkness. I don't know how to describe it. I started reading into Uncle A around the beginning of high school, and it seems like the intelligence I was gifted with has turned into a curse. A curse for knowing how the world truly is, and the maddening frustration at the fools who remain blind in our population. My dad an hero'ng several years back also has something to do with it. Believe it or not, I am generally a positive person in my day to day life. But I also listen to a lot of heaby metal. >black magick SS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OknyOYXFRc&t=362s
>>29430 Good on you lad. Rule Britannia. >>29432 Goodnight Woody. >>29434 I’m know of him but haven’t watched much of his stuff and can’t give you an opinion tbh. >>29459 >Perhaps it is simply the despair and negativity of the masses being cast throughout the Aether? That’s definitely part of it, and I believe one of the main goals of the Covid/riots one two. >the light which seems to be in the future. Definitely lad I feel it too.They overplayed their hand with the riots and irl normalfags even made the connection that it was very (((convenient))) timing as the lockdown was ending. >sneks Here’s a good video by Fortress of Lugh on the subject. https://youtube.com/watch?v=VFREu6l92Vk >>29465 >I've been using the time to line up some dates once things start getting back to normal. Well done, best of luck lad. >>29444 (observed) See the above YouTube link on snakes lad. >>29467 >My dad an hero'ng several years back also has something to do with it. Sorry for your loss lad. Here’s a 54 page pdf of Esoteric Hitlerist philosophy I found quite motivational. https://mega.nz/file/bfgFlJ4Y#jxOqWvovSuBGdKN2-cxfSCqvN9BCSmMLoZJuZ6J92J4 It has some dank artwork as well. Have a good ritual and Solstice tomorrow m80s.
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>>29430 >Black Sun as secret sun, on the Other Side >Black Sun as Polaris >Black Sun as Saturn Which do you prefer? I prefer Polaris. Technically, Secret Sun is being represented by either, but I think Polaris is the most accurate and likely, considering the pre-laurasian focus on Non-Planetary stars, especially the polestar around which all other stars revolve, in the sacred north. Bear Totemics also of note
>>29465 I don't really have anything on Slavic stuff, sorry lad. Only thing I can really think of is Survive the Jive's video on Slavic Paganism. >>29467 Other than the snakes blocking the middle of the trail, not really. I guess both the rattler and water snake had lighter patterns running on their backs. >>29468 Thanks for the video lad, I'll be sure to watch it!
>>29478 Thank you lad! I have a little bit of Slavic heritage (tfw American Euromutt of British and Baltic/Slav), will put this to good use)
>>29433 >pdf Appreciated. The Baltic region is one the Crusades heavily focused on to shove Christianity into people's homes. >music Cozy. >>29434 > He believes that the Irish Druids are the remnants of an Atlantean tradition Possible although more granular refinements have now pointed out that the druids rose in power against the ovates through a deep change in metaphysical teachings, taking on the principles of metempsychosis from the school of Pythagoras, but then also seem to have been made softer too with the appearance of a certain notion of tolerance that should be explored for further clarification. It is also worth sorting out what part of the Atlantean tradition would have been saved considering this civilization seemed to have known an "age of poz", a certain fall. This remains speculative nevertheless I would say. I also would not think the druids were the only ones to carry an older knowledge, as per the tales and ruins left in Sumer. >he believes that the pharaoh Akhenaton and his ‘Atonist’ entourage is the source of all modern ‘evils’. If atonism involved a form of unification of populations under one theocracy and favored miscegenation, and we know Egypt did go through such a cycle, then it could at least be said that it contained the same seeds of internal destruction. > They were the actual ‘Israelites’ of the bible. I suppose Tsarion is an American, thus risks are high that his writings are not very well thought on such matters, perhaps quite childish. It sounds like he took a look at the Old Testament and thought it to be reprehensible, violent and sick, and decided to run with this. It would be quite an erroneous appreciation of the material. >All secret societies, such as the illuminati, templars, masons, sabbatean frankists, etc, stem from this Egyptian faction. Perhaps. It would be hard to have a definitive opinion on this although all of these groups did share similar tenets. Up to a certain point. > Most royal families of Europe have also been apparently infiltrated and corrupted by this ideology/bloodline. That again reads like a sensationalist US book, all with the grotesque and cheap cover to attract readers. Is he a real and solid academic? >This man is questionable for many reasons I saw a few things already and it's very cringe inducing. I'm afraid someone will have to filter his works for I don't feel like spending much time on them. The Knight Order of the Temple covers a whole set of topics, it refers to different sub-groups, evolutions within such groups, varying relations with kings and the Roman Catholic Church, the banking system, etc. Let's see what he has to say about the Nazis and the Jews and we will have an already good idea of the man.
>>29438 >US sun set It must go down. >>29444 >sneks Me too. Discovered today, new to this, a whole nest with a big one. Might have to kill them because of pets. >>29459 >I suspect though, that it may be Black Magick at work, attempting to prevent the rise of the Black Sun You get it wrong lad. The US are a road block. If such a thing as the Black Sun as we know it now doth exist, its rise will mean the death of America as the ruinous entity, this foul Beast. Don't be sad, it would be a good omen. >>29465 >it's been bumplocked Twas.
>>29485 Thanks for the reply >This remains speculative nevertheless I would say. I also would not think the druids were the only ones to carry an older knowledge, as per the tales and ruins left in Sumer. I think it is likely that the timeline of history will continue to be pushed back, particularly those of the British Isles. It is possible that the druidic civilisation, which in Tsarion’s view, contained the purest and original remnant of Antediluvian “High Culture”, will be found to have preceded Sumer, Egypt, etc. These islands have been truly ravaged over the millennia, so it is hard to confirm this ancient history. >I suppose Tsarion is an American Funnily enough he is seemingly a full blooded Irishman, raised on the lore of the druids, and ancient myths. The sheer scope of his knowledge is insanely impressive, even if a lot of it is ‘irksome’. Check out this article, decent summary of his historical analysis, and answers the Jewish Question quite thoroughly - http://www.femaleilluminati.com/article-3.html >It sounds like he took a look at the Old Testament and thought it to be reprehensible, violent and sick It certainly is not as simplistic as this. From what I gather, he believes that the ‘Jews’ of the Old Testament, are in essence the expelled, Atonist monotheists of the Hyksos Dynasty, which ruled Egypt for some time. The Druidic Egyptians, expelled this foreign dynasty, setting the warpes precedent for the propaganda ridden ‘Exodus’ story. These were not liberated slaves led by some ‘Moses’, these were the expelled members of a ruling dynasty, and forerunners to the Jehovah/Satan worshiping ‘Israelites’, who then proliferated throughout the region. Their ideological descendants can be found in all secret societies, royal families, etc, again, all the usual suspects. This esoteric cult of Aton-Jehovah-Satan, now rules the world, in his view. Really, his intense analysis of symbolism, which manifests in pop culture, or even Royal Coats of Arms, is provocative, and quite convincing, at least to my mind. > Let's see what he has to say about the Nazis and the Jews and we will have an already good idea of the man. Haha indeed. I believe he does parrot the tired old myth that ‘Hitler was a Rothschild/British agent”, but don’t quote me on this. Tsarion is a wild figure, very confusing and elaborate. He often contradicts himself, but I don’t know if this is a product of his somewhat crazed personality, or deliberate misdirection and subversion, or simple confusion and genuine bias. Regardless, his scope of knowledge is wide, and I have learned an awful lot from the man. However, I always leave his study with a bad feeling in my gut, as if I have been intellectually violated. He cuts a knife through the idolisation of European history, of nationalism, and subsequent identity, I have long held. It hurts, but I can’t help but feel this is the pain of truth. Much more research is necessary.
>>29495 No, not this specifically. I assume it supports the idea that Aryan ‘high’ civilisation originates in the Middle East, and was then transplanted to the West and elsewhere. I believe Tsarion’s argument is that much of these ‘movements of culture’ did indeed occur in such a manner, from East-West, however, the ‘original’ Aryan culture can find its root in the British Isles, and earlier, the Atlantean civilisation. These Druidic survivors ‘carried the flame’ of Atlantis and then spread it to Egypt, Sumer, etc. These culture’s, including the so called ‘Aryan origin point’ of the Pontic Steppe (Crimea-Ukraine), then spread the embers of this swastika bearing culture to India, etc. However, the point Tsarion stresses, is that the ‘original’ migration of Aryan culture, was from West to East, from Britain/Northwestern Europe, to the Middle East.
>>29496 That's silly, all movement has been to Western Europe from Central Asia. There's even these guys to prove it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies At the last glacial maximum Indonesia was a landmass we now call Sundaland, and this is where Negrito (not to be confused with Negro) peoples originated. When it flooded, people as well flooded- into South Asia, displacing the Turkics and Chinese peoples into east and central Asia. Caucasians were then forced by Turkics like the Huns and by other Caucasians like the Persian tribes, into Eastern Europe. The Slavs came as well and pushed Caucasians even further west. Celts and Slavs split, Celts getting to France and Spain and UK first, followed by Germanics later. Neanderthal civilization may have started in Northern Europe, so maybe that's "Atlanteans".
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Glacial Max Sundaland, for reference
>>29497 Again, these migrations you describe are all accounted for under Tsarion’s theories, they are simply ‘later’ iterations and movements of an earlier, Antediluvian culture, and perhaps ‘race’. The archaeological, geological and geographical knowledge of this ‘before the flood’ period, characterised by an ill understood ‘ice age’, are lacking, or even purposely convoluted and hidden by the controlled ‘authorities’ on such matters, to conceal these truths of identity. Again, this is all my understanding of Tsarion’s views. However, such a conspiracy is reasonable. One simply has to look to those same ‘Aryan Mummies’, you mentioned, to see the lengths authorities will go to conceal history. Indeed, this is one example amongst countless instances of deliberate ‘covering up’ of history, especially that of the Aryan, ‘blue eyed’ variety, haha
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>>29500 You ever read Patrick Chouinard? Lost Race Of The Giants is on libgen, going to have to buy the other one soon. Good stuff. Peter Levenda has some good stuff on how the Appalachian Mound Civilization was likely Welsh in the first Sinister Forces book, btw
>>29501 Haven’t read these, cheers. Robert Sepehr youtube videos introduced me to a lot of these topics.
Did you have a good Solstice, lads? Mine was pretty decent. I had a small get together with some esoterically minded people on friday. We performed a small burning ritual, leaving behind what I wanted to leave behind and igniting the things that I want. On Saturday, I focused my ritual on the demonic entity Flereous. For the last few months, I've been practicing Demonolatry (which some interesting effects to say the least). I laid down some Stones in preparation for the ritual that I'd perform on Sunday. This morning I performed the Summer Solstice + New Moon ritual, invoking Flereous. I had some bodily effects, showing where my growth will occur in the coming period. Throughout this, i had some interesting tarot cards: Friday: Page of Wands that marked the passed period and the King of Swords that marks the coming period. Satuday: Ace of Cups. Sunday: The World.
>>29519 Careful mentioning bobby you might summon shizo.... >>29520 Performed my part of our 20th ritual no spoopy signs this time but as there was other people around unlike the last times I was alone I think that such things may be intended to be private.
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>>29520 I can't recommend these enough if you're doing Typhonian stuff. Shits been a wild ride for me this year. (All of these are on libgen btw, Nightside Of Eden was esp good, I'm on Outside The Circles Of Time atm)
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>>29520 Two from the beginning of OtCoT and one from end of NoE that I enjoyed.
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PRIMEVAL EUROPEAN DATURA-FUELED LYCANTHROPIC MYSTICISM (from Hallucinogens And Shamanism)
>>29433 thanks for this. I have long wondered about the Baltic beliefs. I know a bit about the actual crusade to stamp it out. >>29468 appreciate it, lad. it has been near a decade, but it never gets easier. thank you for the the Esoteric Hitler literature. stuff is always fascinating to dive into. >>29471 ah, was wondering if there was more connecting the sightings. we had a water snake on our little shore a few weeks back. he stayed still while we gawked. >>29487 as much as it pains me to say, but I completely agree. the downfall of current America would be a good thing. A resurrection of old America would be good, as well. euros don't understand the absolute beauty of America, and how it's a slightly different culture in each different region. there's a lot of good here, but also a lot of bad. this country, however, has no future on its current course. look at how they tear down even statues of Washington, and deface the monuments/memorials of the men who fought for this land. >>29520 I did, actually. even though this particular weekend is a hard one for me, it turned out alright. I ghosted out of work early, got a long nap, cleansed myself, and performed my private ritual. I spent the day at work listening to "Sun and Steel", and working out. the night ended quite well, as well, but that is not of anyone's business. I have not seen any signs today, but my resolve has seemed to have strengthened. I still get visited by an owl every evening, too.
Hope you're all well any thoughts on the religion of peace and tolerance incident the weekend?
Some IOTBW style hijinks from oop north too http://archive.is/hquHE
>>29494 The Northern hemisphere was hit hard, between Europe and N. America. >http://www.femaleilluminati.com/article-3.html >Why would anyone - especially those raised under strict moral codes of behavior (far more explicit and inviolable than those known to Christians) - commit evil acts against other races, foment or participate in assassinations, mass murder, anarchy, socialism and general mayhem? The commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill," comes from Mosaic Law obeyed by Jews centuries before the advent of Christianity. The absolute necessity of living a scrupulously moral life in order to please God and reach heaven is essential in Judaism not Christianity. <Hello. I'm Mr Tasrion and today I'll show you how I am totally clueless about Jews and typing cuck-tier bs. Jews solved this by making themselves the only humans on this planet. They also take their inspiration from the most ruthless paragraphs of the Old Testament, notably Deuteronomy. >And if Jews are compulsively interested in undermining Western culture, why do so many of them seek its benefits? <What is a host-destroying parasite? Can someone explain? >Why have so many Jews been helpful and friendly toward Gentiles? <I know a good Jewish friend. The concept of a liberal Jew who lives on the fringe of the moral codes of the group's entrails totally eludes him. Just as much as the why such Jews even exist, though it should be easy to understand when seeing how a boomer is so easily deceived. >Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? Please. Their input is not that impressive overall and many times one can see how Jews often fail to restrain from revealing cultural codes that we find repulsive. >>The Jew is not everywhere a revolutionary. He is everywhere discontented with a society alien to him: that is natural and inevitable. But he does not exercise his power invariably, or even ordinarily, towards the oversetting of an established social order by which, incidentally, he often largely benefits...The Jew is not, in the history of Europe, the prime agent of revolution: quite the contrary - Hilaire Belloc (The Jews) <I have more quotes that prove how antisemitic are the people accusing the Jews of all ills. Doubling down on cuckdom. >For all the research out there, we are left with many puzzling questions about the Jewish role in the criminal history of the world. When we read most anti-Jewish researchers, can we verify everything they report? Like fucking yes, we can. Just as yesterday, it happens right before our eyes today so we can verify. It's the core of their community that is malevolent, the more you reach the periphery the more you meet vaguely agreeable Jews who just lower your sense of racial prejudice against them because you base your comprehension of their tribe on the few fringe (as peripheral) Jews you deal with everyday. More or less liberal, more or less integrated into society. Perhaps until you start asking some specific questions. >Druids and breastplates So he refers to one single case of a druid's body found with such a breastplate. Hardly conclusive. UPDATE: I was about to continue writing this reply based on the article linked above but it's gone. No regret, the little I read was already pure garbage. female illuminati ... ffs >>29526 Reads like pure fiction tbh (but still intriguing, might try to shove one or two of them in the neverending book list).
>>29618 I agree with many of your negative sentiments regarding Tsarion, but you really should look into this more deeply before forming these opinions. Indeed, it can be irksome reading Tsarion, but I believe it is worth it, if one has the ability to sift through the knowledge and extract what is necessary and valid, and leave the 'rest' behind. Your primary critique surrounds the Jewish Question. I believe Tsarion is about as hostile towards genuine, 'Talmudic Jewry', and its apparent secular manifestations, as just about anyone else out there. The trouble of course, lies in the age long question, 'what is a Jew'? This enigmatic race seemingly has an infinite number of ill defined tendrils springing up throughout the millennia, and an extremely unclear origin. Tsarion explores this question throughout his works, and I covered it earlier. As despicable and nasty as the beliefs of the highly religious, orthodox Jews and Rabbis certainly can be (simply look to popular /pol memes recording some random Israeli/Rabbi's comments towards 'the goyim'), are they truly the primary, or even a significant source of the world's woes? It seems not, and quite frankly, if anyone does think these crazed rabbis have any influence whatsoever, they are tricking themselves. However, their attitudes do offer a glimpse into the truly despicable nature of Judaism itself, which manifests more harmfully in more influential and esoteric, or even subliminal and secular communities. So then, we can turn to 'secular jews', or even 'normal religious jews' who are more or less assimilated into their various host cultures. These 'jews' (which is itself a ridiculous word to be calling these people, but I digress), certainly have a genetic and cultural disposition towards destructive, degenerate acts which rot their host cultures, this is obvious. This is likely due to their subconscious/racial affiliation with truly demonic and negative tendencies, to suggest that these people are consciously aware of, and active participants in the world conspiracy of the new world order is preposterous and unfounded. Are they truly at the absolute core of the problem facing the West today? No, but a great deal of them serve its horrific goals due to their inherent tendencies. Likewise, a great deal of them do not serve any agenda, subconsciously or otherwise, and are more or less 'normal people', or even good people, despite their heritage. Tsarion makes the excellent point, that is oft forgotten in NS or right wing circles, that Karl Marx absolutely despised the 'common jews', the highly religious, morally driven jews. Marx was of course inspired by the 'spirit of judaism', at least a highly subversive, Sabbatean-Frankist version of it, which he translated into a secular, digestible form, and yet he rightfully viewed 'normal jewry', as an obstacle to his communist concoction of spiritual annihilation. In essence, Tsarion makes the obvious point that while antisemitism is of course valid, one must develop a clear understanding of just what on earth a 'jew' actually is! The esoteric and highly Satanic version of Judaism, which came down through Akhanton and his Hyksos compatriots, through to the Gaonim, Templars, Sabbatean-Frankists, Marxists, European royal families, etc, is obviously highly differentiated from the 'common rabble' who call themselves jews, even though the common jew of course doesn't even comprehend what that word actually denotes, let alone any type of 'world conspiracy'.
>>29594 >A resurrection of old America would be good, as well. euros don't understand the absolute beauty of America, and how it's a slightly different culture in each different region. there's a lot of good here, but also a lot of bad. What is keeping you yanklands in America exactly? Other than sentimentality. Your country is in it's death spiral, your constitution is worth the paper it's written on and law and order is nothing but an anarch-tyranny choke hold on white people. When the country eventually collapses you won't get your ethnostate. More likely the rest of the world will come together to snuff you out. In the short term, if Trump wins again things are going to blow up like nothing you've ever seen. Same when Derek Chauvin is aquitted. If Biden wins it will probably take the wind out of the sails of the lunatics but you'll have other problems if he wins. Come back to Europe lads, or if you have kids at least get them acclimatized here. Americans moving back to Europe would strengthen the race and give it the vitality needed for survival. America can always be reconquered in the future but if whites lose the motherland it's over.
>>29622 There's actually natural resources and good soil in the US and Canada. You dumbfucks should be abandoning Europa so it can fully become Eurabia.
>>29622 I think if White Americans are shopping at walmart and living paycheck to paycheck in already cheap red states then they're far from getting passports and moving their families to a European country. Most White Americans could only dream about moving to Sweden/France/Italy/Switzerland/Canada/NZ/Australia one day yet people from poverty ridden 3rd world shitholes get free transportation and government/taxpayer aid to help them enjoy living in the most expensive places in the West that most White families could never even afford.
>>29623 >You dumbfucks should be abandoning Europa so it can fully become Eurabia. Kys faggot. >>29622 >What is keeping you yanklands in America exactly? Too many natural resources and nukes to give it all up to chinks or Mexicans. Then Europe will be permanently fucked too.
>>29629 It's too late, europoor, embrace Allah or die, the Turks are already the majority in every major city
>>29629 Don't even bother with such shit tier b8 lad
>>29620 >Your primary critique surrounds the Jewish Question. I believe Tsarion is about as hostile towards genuine, 'Talmudic Jewry', and its apparent secular manifestations, as just about anyone else out there. No, he's not. His questions and doubts are typical of people trying to find Jews excuses. My time is precious, so if someone who has supposedly observed them and studied their ways and Talmudic faith still writes such drivel, I think I have all the right reasons to save myself time and grief and not pay attention to him. >As despicable and nasty as the beliefs of the highly religious, orthodox Jews and Rabbis certainly can be (simply look to popular /pol memes recording some random Israeli/Rabbi's comments towards 'the goyim'), are they truly the primary, or even a significant source of the world's woes? They are literally the holders and heirs of the Jewish faith and culture, going as far as influencing even very liberal Jews. That is what Jews are that matters. Their mental-view of the world is based on their instincts which are produced by their genetic make up in a large part. Rabbis are wise not to openly pull the strings, but everything front Jews (left or right) have been doing against us is 100% in accordance with rabbinic teachings. They do not want to simply isolate themselves from the rest of the world, as some are led to believe with the whole ghetto narrative. They maintain ghettos to survive inside the host nation, only sending "agents" outside to interact and subvert the host people. The core is what maintains and regenerates those militant agents. If the core is not destroyed, the Jewish community is not weakened. The core awakes in each Jew, to varying degrees, their true potential as destroyers of nations. You will never see a Jew who understands and accepts that he has to remove himself from the equation to allow Whites to live properly. >So then, we can turn to 'secular jews', or even 'normal religious jews' who are more or less assimilated into their various host cultures. This is extremely naive. The moment the Jewish community will be threatened because we have to attack the rabbis and the active Jewish agents who operate in politics, finance, IT, classic industries, entertainment, culture, etc., is the moment these Jews will regroup closer to the core. And as you'll have to exterminate those rabbis and the agents who undermine the host nations because it is their nature, you'll trigger in them untamed torrents of hatred against Whites. So within their community, the radical ones will tell the liberal ones "see, we told you all these times, how the goyim cannot be trusted, they want to destroy us, they hate us, but you didn't listen. Now you see and you should stay quiet." Their cultural hatred of Egypt, Babylon, Greece and Rome is shared by all of them. >These 'jews' (which is itself a ridiculous word to be calling these people, but I digress) It is nothing ridiculous. They are genetic Jews nevertheless, are still encouraged to avoid intermarrying although, yes, it does happen more and more and should be seen as disgusting and insulting. This happens in greater quantities when they feel secure, in control and at ease. Their more liberal elements spread their wretched genetics and debase the blood of Whites who mix with them. >This is likely due to their subconscious/racial affiliation with truly demonic and negative tendencies, to suggest that these people are consciously aware of, and active participants in the world conspiracy of the new world order is preposterous and unfounded. Are they truly at the absolute core of the problem facing the West today? No, but a great deal of them serve its horrific goals due to their inherent tendencies. Likewise, a great deal of them do not serve any agenda, subconsciously or otherwise, and are more or less 'normal people', or even good people, despite their heritage. They still are a problem. One could exterminate the most obvious targets (and that's a lot of them) and then force the rest into another country. As I said above, they would hate us all day long and would simply bid their time to destroy us again. They'd use the same tricks, update their religion, add new tales on top of Esther, about the eternal antisemitism of their enemies and how Whites should be exterminated, etc. So this is why I say that if we get the chance, one day, to strike well and hurt them entirely so they could never hide anywhere, then we must finish the job and get rid of them all forever and kill all those who would try to stop us, regardless of their age or race!
>Tsarion makes the excellent point, that is oft forgotten in NS or right wing circles, that Karl Marx absolutely despised the 'common jews', the highly religious, morally driven jews. Marx was of course inspired by the 'spirit of judaism', at least a highly subversive, Sabbatean-Frankist version of it, which he translated into a secular, digestible form, and yet he rightfully viewed 'normal jewry', as an obstacle to his communist concoction of spiritual annihilation. Should we even care? Jews disagreeing, Jews disliking each other or even hating each other sometimes is absolutely nothing new. But when Jews become potent, whether they do it on purpose or not, they always undermine other peoples and work for theirs, even if they believe they're doing what would finally prove how good they are to the rest of the world. Besides, you should have taken a better example than effin Mordecai! This lazy liar was very close to Rothschild. Beyond this, are you going to side with some Jews because they were critical of their own community, in part of whole? That's such cuckoldry! >In essence, Tsarion makes the obvious point that while antisemitism is of course valid, one must develop a clear understanding of just what on earth a 'jew' actually is! That looks more like an attempt to confuse the goyim so Jews will always come on top. Whatever the origins and former names. We can judge them on what they've been doing during the last two millennia and that alone is more than enough of a mountain of evidence to know what to do with them. >The esoteric and highly Satanic version of Judaism What.. That's so messed up. Well, ok, you're probably some kind of Christian or ex-Christian. What kind of Aryan White man would even use the adjective Satanic? That's the most pathetic kind of libel one could throw at Jews. Also, nice attempt at implying there's a good Judaism. You are certainly proving the waste that Tsarion's work is all about. >Templars There have been all sorts of Templars and the best ones were getting very based but had put themselves in a predicament which they had not forethought enough about. >obviously highly differentiated from the 'common rabble' who call themselves jews That is as nonsensical as it can get. I've met enough lowly ones who have exactly the same attributes as the big ones, from genetics to behavior. Active Jews of any level are all acting according the same objective: the well being of their community against ours. Even if the 1% top Jews were "true" Jews or something else, which is a completely silly notion, you should be reminded that the blood libel is not a fantasy. It's based on facts and the rabbis were at it. So throwing "Satanic" parties with suspicions of adenochrome drinks and child sacrifice is hardly divorced from the activities of the religious core. Even if the Jewish elites were secretly planning on sacrificing the rest of the Jewish population, it would not change anything to how this same population behaves. There lies the problem with scribblers who are too obsessed about their grand and absurd theories. They needlessly complicate things, ignore the reality to have it bend to their own warped senses. It's that or they do it on purpose, perfectly aware of the part they play in this cycle. One way or another, their produce is poisonous.
>>29622 >More likely the rest of the world will come together to snuff you out. Same could be said of Europe. Have you actually considered how many Whites there are in North America and in Europe? Oh sure, more Whites in Europe against mud peoples is good, it would definitely allow us to win and the Whites moving back into Europe would obviously be doing this for racial reasons. But that will never happen. Don't be an idiot.
>>29625 And they get free healthcare too.
>>29630 >It's too late, europoor, embrace Allah or die, the Turks are already the majority in every major city Turks are mostly found in Germany. Each EU country has ethnicities relative to its colonial past mostly. Also Allah is gay and loves to fuck goats when he's not sucking on Jewish dicks.
>>29649 >>29651 Nothing you mention contradicts anything I have said, in respect to my summary of Tsarion or my own beliefs. But you still seem confused and hostile, again, primarily due to this Jewish Question. Your hostility towards them is commendable and worthy of validation, I simply relate a clearer and deeper understanding of what constitutes Judaism and its innumerable manifestations, the reality is infinitely more complex than your attempts to simplify these matters. At the same time, your bulldog mentality, is absolutely useful in the struggle, but it simply does not capture the truth. But does this make your attitude invalid? Absolutely not, after all, the SA trooper smashing windows during 'Kristallnacht' assuredly did not understand the esoteric history of his Judaic enemy, he simply knew they were "bad", and carried out his good work. This simplistic approach is undoubtedly suitable for the majority of individuals. However, I do believe that a deeper, more balanced understanding of the issue, one of which being presented by Tsarion, is useful for certain people possessed of a certain mindset. So yes, nothing you said contradicts my points in the previous post, but perhaps you think they do? I will still address some issues. >Beyond this, are you going to side with some Jews because they were critical of their own community, in part of whole? That's such cuckoldry! No, their religious tradition must be eradicated in its entirety, because of the inherent degeneracy at its core, the work of the Third Reich must be completed. All your other qualms regarding secular jews, normal jews, rabbis, etc, are explained in my previous post. In short, there is a reason why innumerable genetic Jews served in many institutions of the Third Reich, they sought to serve, and they were allowed to. >That's so messed up. Well, ok, you're probably some kind of Christian or ex-Christian. What kind of Aryan White man would even use the adjective Satanic? No, this is simply a relation of Tsarion's use of the word Satanic, as well as a long established, albeit simplistic understanding of the word. Furthermore, the equation of Yahweh-Jehovah, with the primordial 'Satan' figure which manifests in all world cultures, that being the 'dark adversary', is a common one. Your confusion is understandable, as this word is indeed associated with foolish degraded Christians and others infected with the Abrahamic virus. >Also, nice attempt at implying there's a good Judaism. You need to either reread my previous post, or reread Tsarion's article, which I understand you didn't even finish because of your emotional distaste with it... >There lies the problem with scribblers who are too obsessed about their grand and absurd theories. They needlessly complicate things I understand your hostility with these intricate theories, I too find it a 'rabbit hole' of sorts, and it is not fit at all for most people, again, think of the SA trooper doing his diligent work, oblivious to the occult beliefs held by certain echelons of the National Socialist party. However, this knowledge is necessary for the few, and there is no sense in dismissing its validity, without even understanding it or researching it for yourself!
Lots of UFO sightings again, you think Base211 is active?
>>29672 Unknown, I've been more concerned with the stab happy darkies all over the place.
>Nothing you mention contradicts anything I have said, in respect to my summary of Tsarion or my own beliefs. But you still seem confused and hostile, again, primarily due to this Jewish Question. I'm hostile against people who bring confusion about a rather simple question since it blurs our vision of the enemy. Looking for mythical "true Jew" that would be at the top of the community, leading from behind the shadows or just being themselves and pretending belonging to a community they are usually said to belong to and often cited as major Jews, is absurd to the highest degree. > I simply relate a clearer and deeper understanding of what constitutes Judaism and its innumerable manifestations, the reality is infinitely more complex than your attempts to simplify these matters. It does not need to made more complex. You merely have Jews who obey their instincts and cultures codes with more or less zeal, some of them very distantiated from these values but still carrying this blood nevertheless. It would not be the first time that grand children who carry Jewish blood, in seeking a clearer and stronger identity, return to a more religious way of life than their very liberal parents. >However, I do believe that a deeper, more balanced understanding of the issue, one of which being presented by Tsarion, is useful for certain people possessed of a certain mindset. I disagree. It's smoke screens by a boomer with silly theories and perhaps an agenda, or carrying unwittingly the age old influence of darker incursions in our old religions and cultures, all of which led us to being weak. There is no gain, absolutely none at all, in trying to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to kikes. It is even infuriating that we, Aryans, should even make one effort as if we were to prove something, in being supposedly objective in our juddgement of this miserable race. I'm telling you, I don't give a fuck about the innocent Jews. I see the blood, the blight, the threat. >So yes, nothing you said contradicts my points in the previous post, but perhaps you think they do? It is not about your points but about the text I managed to read from Tsarion's article before I was unable to load the page any longer. However, my belief is that such theories make us weak. I couldn't care less if there was some big esoteric bad monster that lived on the fringes of mental space and manipulated 99.99% of Jews or "Jews" or habiru. They are the enemy. Period. You think you teach me something new about the other world's forces? I see them influencing my life everyday as I get closer to what I was meant to be down here. Mercy is not a word I will accept. It has been a bane for millennia. >In short, there is a reason why innumerable genetic Jews served in many institutions of the Third Reich, they sought to serve, and they were allowed to. Don't push it. There were not "innumerable genetic Jews". Many were kept wherre they were because they were manageable, docile and useful. In the end, keeping genetic Jews close to us is a mistake. Again, it's about the blood. Are you a genetic Jew? Because you seem to have a great interest in proving that a genetic Jew without the culture or religion is a perfectly acceptable individual, completely ignoring that blood comes first and culture and religion are the consequence of the blood. They have produced this specific culture and this specific religion and its offshots because this is what they fundamentally are. Liberal Jews are merely behavioural Jews with deactivated instincts, anomalies to their own kin, freaks in their own way, unfit to live amongst us and unfit to live as typical Jews, but still carrying with them what can restart their insidious race.
>No, this is simply a relation of Tsarion's use of the word Satanic, as well as a long established, albeit simplistic understanding of the word. Using this word requires accepting its Abrahamic definition and recognizing its truth and existence based on their books. It is made worse by the fact that reading the Bible with care for example, one can see how Satan is an easy target of libel, a convenient scapegoat. >Furthermore, the equation of Yahweh-Jehovah, with the primordial 'Satan' figure which manifests in all world cultures, that being the 'dark adversary', is a common one. No it is not. What is common, if by virtue of the sheer amount of people who are believers in one or the other abrahamic branch, is the amount of people who separate both, one good, one bad. The Gnostic view of this is certainly not common at all. All the other main world religions do not even have a space for YHWH nor Satan. > Your confusion is understandable There is no confusion. I already had enough debates on this in my life. >However, this knowledge is necessary for the few, and there is no sense in dismissing its validity, without even understanding it or researching it for yourself! There is no such "validity". Tsarion shows way too much empathy towards Jews and comes with ridiculous claims, if not grotesque twistings of history: >>Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? These are his words. What arts? What music? What Jews produce is either gross or bland, or at best popular within our jewed societies. Without white admixture, they're worth nothing noble. It is that simple. Jews manage to be so ruinous because they have stolen some white DNA and this cannot be tolerated any longer. It makes them too dangerous. Now that they have organized our destruction and continue pushing for it, all of them will pay in return as we will free ourselves. Extermination will come for them. ALL. OF. THEM. >You need to either reread my previous post, or reread Tsarion's article, which I understand you didn't even finish because of your emotional distaste with it... Re(re)ad my post. Technical limitation. >>29618 >UPDATE: I was about to continue writing this reply based on the article linked above but it's gone. Hence why I could not continue. To this day, the link remains broken.
>>29702 >>29703 Well, I can't restate what I have already said, as all your points have already been covered. But I can revisit some important points again that you have brought up again. >It does not need to made more complex. You are absolutely right, for the majority of individuals, and certainly for yourself, there is no need at all to delve into this. Once again, did the SA street fighter need to comprehend the esoteric history of his enemy? No, and in fact, this would be a detriment to him, as such knowledge is confusing and elaborate, not befitting to most. However, your attempts to deny attempts to seek the actual truth, however 'complex' they may be, are invalid, blanket statements. For you and those like you, I understand your rejection of this type of thinking, continue resisting in whatever way befits you best and carry on. >Don't push it. There were not "innumerable genetic Jews". You can do the simple google searches yourself. >Many were kept wherre they were because they were manageable, docile and useful. Yes... this is the essence of the point I have been making. Your critique is often a restatement of what I a have already said, or that Tsarion has said. >Are you a genetic Jew? >Are you a boomer? haha I knew the insults would come in this reply >Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? We have already discussed the meaning of this. I said earlier, regarding the evils of 'normal Jews', "This is likely due to their subconscious/racial affiliation with truly demonic and negative tendencies, to suggest that these people are consciously aware of, and active participants in the world conspiracy of the new world order is preposterous and unfounded. Are they truly at the absolute core of the problem facing the West today? No, but a great deal of them serve its horrific goals due to their INHERENT TENDENCIES. Likewise, a great deal of them do not serve any agenda, subconsciously or otherwise, and are more or less 'normal people', or even good people, despite their heritage". When I say 'good people', feel free to equate that with 'harmless', or what you say 'docile'. We are making the same point. Furthermore, Tsarion simply relates the undeniable 'contributions' to 'Western culture', that Jews have made, to demonstrate that rigid biological determinism regarding genetic Jews, is obviously false, and does not even come close to illustrating the policies or ideology of the Third Reich, as we have seen. Instead, this attitude is a degeneration of 'neo nazis', that we have absorbed through Hollywood. I don't know how you can read a single paragraph from that article and come to the conclusion that Tsarion is a 'jew lover', unless you cherry pick certain sentences and interpret them COMPLETELY out of context. Unless you are the most simple minded, biological determinist, that would make the racial scholars of the Third Reich condemn you as unreasonable, there is no way to interpret what I, or Tsarion have said, in this manner. Your fiery hatred for the enemy is commendable, I dislike arguing 'against' anything you have said, because I realize it is a perfectly acceptable set of attitudes and beliefs, for the majority of individuals. I simply seek the historical reality, which is often times more 'complex' than we would like. I will restate that there is value in this understanding for a few individuals, but sure, most should stay away from it because it is a rabbit hole and can lead to confusion and mental defeat. It is a shame that this discussion of Tsarion has devolved into simple Jew bashing, as vital as it is to understand there evils. However, there are more beliefs there, and viewed through a certain lens, are valuable to those of an NS or esoteric Hitlerist persuasion. One simply needs to have the ability to sift through the knowledge, and not become emotionally compromised when something is said that does not abide by his rigidly ingrained attitudes and beliefs.
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>>29487 >you get it wrong lad. Perhaps I was not direct enough then. I do not in any way disagree with you, in fact it was what I was attempting to hint at. I would celebrate the day. Sometimes, I get caught up in strange moods, and attempt to write/speak from the heart. It doesn't always work out quite right. >>29520 My solstice was quite good, I'd say. My aetheric senses were obstucted by the local turbulence, so I had difficulty in discerning if any spirits had joined. But in spite of this interference, I saw the apparition of a man in black robes, with my subtler sight. I felt vague, distant familiarity. I am not certain who this was, and I can't help but wonder. Truth be told, this is not the first time he has appeared, but I never remembered to share with the lodge about his appearance. I repeated the same rite, and attempted an AP. As usual, I succeeded in the separation, but not in transferring the ego. I'd like to be able to consciously greet the man in black robes some day, on the same plane as he. >>29622 I had thought about invoking my right to return in the past, but I'll say that I have decided to stay here, to die here, as my forefathers had fought and died to conquer this untamed land. >>29672 I don't know, but I've seen Vimana too. Lights dancing in the sky, the stars seem to be speaking to one another in anticipation... Pale green discs of light flashing through the clouds. And all the while, the Light on the proverbial horizon seems to be growing stronger, reaching here from the future. Then, the pentagon released that video of a "UFO". We very much are just in the very beginning of the beginning. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't getting anxious in anticipation for whatever is coming too, when the very stars seem to be.
>>29753 Try mugwort, valerian, huperzine-a and alpha-gpc. There's actually a commercial brand that has all of these in one mix, Dream Leaf. https://luciddreamleaf.com
>>29672 This 4th of July is going to be really “special”. Nobody will ever forget it. It will be a closing ritual, which started in 1776. Look at the stars, this will happen precisely this 4th July 2020, not 2021 or after. A very special date for our “masters”.
>>29782 Care to elaborate?
>>29783 Not well versed how these will line up with constellations, but there are few planetary conjunctions coming up, including a "Great Conjunction" in Dec
>>29704 >Well, I can't restate what I have already said, as all your points have already been covered. You make error after error and you call that "all covered". Good tactics. >You are absolutely right, for the majority of individuals, and certainly for yourself, there is no need at all to delve into this. Drop that ridiculous attitude. You know nothing of me nor what I read and experienced on all ways of life regarding solid and metaphysical matters. >However, your attempts to deny attempts to seek the actual truth There is no truth to be had from people who cannot even have the most basic facts straight. >For you and those like you, I understand your rejection of this type of thinking, continue resisting in whatever way befits you best and carry on. This "type of thinking" is a pure fallacy that weakens us. Where do you think it would lead us to acknowledge fables about the Jews' merits and contributions, aggrandized over what is a critical reality denied by the author? Even when a Jew might come with a curiously non-subversive idea once in a while, it is unavoidably accompagned by the Jew's usual inclinations to the defense of the tribe and destruction of others. >You can do the simple google searches yourself. Still bs. Not my job. Do it. >Yes... this is the essence of the point I have been making. Where? Provide post and quotation. I hardly saw you elaborate on this point in any details. And to make the point clearer, it is obvious that they were connsidered useful as a temporary measure, akin to slaves with extended rights. Nobody ever argued they would have to be kept around. Their technical skills only confuse people in thinking they're needed. Would you keep Africans around because one of them managed to change your flattened tire? >haha I knew the insults would come in this reply You defend divisive and confusing material and come out as unapolegetically defensive of an author who was himself defensive of the Jews in that he considerably mitigates their negative influence. I have all the reasons to wonder if you're a kike or somehow related to a Semitic cult. >We have already discussed the meaning of this. No we did not. There's the thread right there to verify. Stop lying. >I said earlier, regarding the evils of 'normal Jews', "This is likely due to their subconscious/racial affiliation with truly demonic and negative tendencies, to suggest that these people are consciously aware of, and active participants in the world conspiracy of the new world order is preposterous and unfounded. Are they truly at the absolute core of the problem facing the West today? No, but a great deal of them serve its horrific goals due to their INHERENT TENDENCIES. Likewise, a great deal of them do not serve any agenda, subconsciously or otherwise, and are more or less 'normal people', or even good people, despite their heritage". And this has literally nothing to do with: >>Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? —that I quoted from Tsarion and my debunking thereof. No wonder you think you have my points "all covered" already with your multiple non sequiturs. We are speaking of MANY so called INVALUABLE contributions in SO MANY FIELDS according to Tsarion but you just repeat that they don't serve an agenda like a broken record. Serving such a secret agenda or not has nothing to do with these Jews' claimed abilities to meaningfully contribute to our history and civilization(s) in any way whatsoever. These are literally two different topics.
>When I say 'good people', feel free to equate that with 'harmless', or what you say 'docile'. We are making the same point. They are not "good", and only harmless as long as they're literally restrained in their freedoms. Any time one loses the leash, the same problems return, as they always have. >Tsarion simply relates the undeniable 'contributions' to 'Western culture', that Jews have made, to demonstrate that rigid biological determinism regarding genetic Jews, is obviously false What in his claim being the false one is so hard to understand exactly here? How can you be so absent-minded in failing to understand how genes work, their effects measured from the culture and religion Jews produced to how these same Jews think metaphysically and relate to divine matters? They have a behavior they kept repeating for thousands of years. You give them an absolution because some of them failed to express the full scope of their innate behavioral tendencies. Are you one of those mad people who wish they could convert Jews or change their culture and think all the problems would just vanish, ignoring the sleeping instincts hard encoded in their genes? > and does not even come close to illustrating the policies or ideology of the Third Reich, They were imperfect, yet a solid groundwork. >I don't know how you can read a single paragraph from that article and come to the conclusion that Tsarion is a 'jew lover' Because of the concentration of false claims and excuses in their favour maybe? >unless you cherry pick certain sentences and interpret them COMPLETELY out of context. You already know what context I had access to, and you can see in my first reply to the article that I quoted the sentences fully, context too. Nothing in what I managed to read was suggesting that Tsarion would change his tune. It didn't bode well for the reminder of the article which became unaccessible. I don't feel like I need to read more from this person when dealing with someone who can (again) claim such bs: >>Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? Even more when so many Jews contributed in debasing and destroying our Western culture every time an opportunity made itself available, which can be both analyzed from their "works" in the previous century's 20s-30s and after WWII up to now. I am not even looking for a grand plan, only the topmost elite of their tribe would actually bother to come with a plan. What they are as a whole, though, is a problem that behaves identically, in subversive ways, across the whole spectrum. Because it is in their NATURE. >Unless you are the most simple minded, biological determinist, that would make the racial scholars of the Third Reich condemn you as unreasonable There is nothing simple-minded in understanding the importance of race. Don't even try to tell me the Third Reich wasn't obsessed about race either. We merely have a greater understanding of genetics than they did. Denying the plague this race is just because some author thinks he's found a honestly "Aryan" Jew somewhere does not cut it. Exceptions against the rule. Now, since it seems all his sites and related webpages are down, I went looking for quotations elsewhere. >www.goodreads.com/author/show/850488.Michael_Tsarion >“The Atonist nobility knew it was impossible to organize and control a worldwide empire from Britain. The British Isles were geographically too far West for effective management. In order to be closer to the “markets,” the Atonist corporate executives coveted Rome. Additionally, by way of their armed Templar branch and incessant murderous “Crusades,” they succeeded making inroads further east. Their double-headed eagle of control reigned over Eastern and Western hemispheres. The seats of Druidic learning once existed in the majority of lands, and so the Atonist or Christian system spread out in similar fashion. Its agents were sent from Britain and Rome to many a region and for many a dark purpose. To this very day, the nobility of Europe and the east are controlled from London and Rome. I could stop there. This is American boomer-tier C2C AM shit. Can almost hear Jones harping on the NASA NAZIs. Leave this place and crawl back to 4cuck.
>>29782 >This 4th of July is going to be really “special”. Nobody will ever forget it. > Look at the stars, this will happen precisely this 4th July 2020, not 2021 or after. A very special date for our “masters”. How? Your next post does not elaborate on this claim about the 4th of July. What do you mean? >It will be a closing ritual, which started in 1776. How does it relate exactly to the independence?
>>29811 >>29810 >This "type of thinking" is a pure fallacy that weakens us Agreed! For those who have your rigid, bulldog mentality, these ideas are clearly unnecessary and confusing. Simply continue your resistance against the enemy in whatever way you deem the most appropriate. Why does this hierarchical and differentiated system of ideas bother you? Do you believe that everyone should believe the same things, regardless of their nature? Did the SA stormtrooper behave the same way as an official of the Party and think the same way? This is my point here. You seek to put everyone generally aligned with 'our side', into one basket you call 'us', and anything which deviates from this rigid understanding, you condemn as "weakening the movement" or "jew loving", or even outright accuse of being a Jew themselves... This is not a good view of reality or this movement, and it is simply disheartening to see it. Your hostility, while understandable, is unfounded and almost laughable, given what I have already said throughout these posts. I understand that even the smallest 'sniff' of sympathy towards Jews will unsettle you, but surely, you cannot mistake my, or Tsarion's outright contempt for Judaism, as 'jew loving'. Again, the only way to come to this conclusion is to cherry pick statements completely out of context, and proceed to get wildly triggered because it is "too nuanced". So yes, stay away from Tsarion, it clearly confuses you to the point of no return! But we can revisit the sources of this confusion, but I suspect it is hopeless! And yes, you are quite simply wrong or confused, because you are fundamentally misunderstanding Tsarion's points, and your fixation on one or two quotes does the argument no service. Well, it is either that, or perhaps my English is not as good as I believe! I will attempt to reach the crux of your angst and hostility towards these ideas. I believe that it surrounds the notion that I, and Tsarion, are in any way sympathetic towards Jews. This is your fundamental point, yes? We will return to the quote you so often invoke, "Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc?" Tsarion makes this statement, to demonstrate that RIGID, BIOLOGICAL DETERMINISM, is simply not an adequate or realistic portrayal of reality. This is because genetic Jews have, without a shadow of a doubt, 'contributed' to Western institutions. They paint, they develop medicine, they compose music bla bla bla, they do all things that mainstream society deems as "worthy and normal contributions". Does this make them, or their horrific religion, "good", NO. This simply means that all Jews are not inherently "programed" to participate in the world wide conspiracy of destruction and decay, they are simply more inclined to do so because of their INHERENT TENDENCIES. This painfully obvious lack of biological determinism (that you fruitlessly deny), is why untold multitudes served in all aspects of the Third Reich. Want to get triggered? How does it feel that a genetic Jew who served loyally in the Wehrmacht did more for "Aryan civilization", than you have ever done or likely will do? This is the part where you now accuse me of being a Jew by the way, if you were at all confused! Do these examples of "normal, harmless or good Jews" mean Judaism should be tolerated? No, it must be eradicated and thrown out, for reasons I have already explained, along with all its secular manifestations such as Marxism and indeed the current world order of banking technocrats. Judaism must be wiped from the Earth, and it has no place in the West. I have no doubt that those genetic Jews who served the Reich would have been properly distanced from the German State in the end, to prevent the latent nature of their very blood to manifest in the future. Frankly, I don't mind if you, or people like you adopt a more rigid view of race, genetics and religion. I view the necessity and virtue for such simplistic beliefs for the majority of people. I don't know how many more times you want me to say the same thing. Do I have to bring up the SA stromtrooper analogy once again? Goodness! I am inclined to simply say "be on your way and carry on", because I think your attitude is suitable for yourself and those like you, simply direct your energy towards the actual enemy! >They are not "good", and only harmless as long as they're literally restrained in their freedoms. Any time one loses the leash, the same problems return, as they always have. Yes, agreed, perhaps a bit edgy and misanthropic for my taste, but sure! What is the problem here?
>>29810 >>29811 In regard to the policies of the Third Reich, you say >They were imperfect, yet a solid groundwork. I hardly think that you, or anyone like you, could provide a "more perfect" version of the glorious state that was the Third Reich and its apparently 'imperfect' policies. I notice you somehow fail to see the connection between my statement of; >I said earlier, regarding the evils of 'normal Jews', "This is likely due to their subconscious/racial affiliation with truly demonic and negative tendencies, to suggest that these people are consciously aware of, and active participants in the world conspiracy of the new world order is preposterous and unfounded. Are they truly at the absolute core of the problem facing the West today? No, but a great deal of them serve its horrific goals due to their INHERENT TENDENCIES. Likewise, a great deal of them do not serve any agenda, subconsciously or otherwise, and are more or less 'normal people', or even good people, despite their heritage". and Tsarion's statement; >Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc? I have cleared this up, yes? >Don't even try to tell me the Third Reich wasn't obsessed about race either. We merely have a greater understanding of genetics than they did. This is fucking nonsense, if you think that modern society has a 'better understanding' of race and genetics than the THIRD REICH, you are insane or a leftist fool who thinks our ancestors came from fucking Africa. >“The Atonist nobility knew it was impossible to organize and control a worldwide empire from Britain. The British Isles were geographically too far West for effective management. In order to be closer to the “markets,” the Atonist corporate executives coveted Rome. Additionally, by way of their armed Templar branch and incessant murderous “Crusades,” they succeeded making inroads further east. Their double-headed eagle of control reigned over Eastern and Western hemispheres. The seats of Druidic learning once existed in the majority of lands, and so the Atonist or Christian system spread out in similar fashion. Its agents were sent from Britain and Rome to many a region and for many a dark purpose. To this very day, the nobility of Europe and the east are controlled from London and Rome. This why I brought up Tsarion here in the first place, to actually delve into some of these wild teachings, without casually dismissing them like some lemming. I expressed from the very start, that I think Tsarion is fucked up in a lot of ways, but his historical analysis and breadth of knowledge is astounding. These are things I wanted to discuss, without degenerating into some fucking Jew talk that goes around in circles, or dismissing everything that isn't "FUCK ALL JEWS" as 'boomier tier'. Who actually belongs on 4cuck here?
Are Buddhism and European Paganism compatible? Once you reach ultimate enlightenment do you think one would feel any reason to come back to worship and practice of paganism due to some innate truths after realisation that everything is one? Another thing that arises from these questions are how does the soul exist without duality, a while back in a thread there were some posts about how nonduality was kike propaganda of some sort which may explain. Would love some answers or literature on these topics if anyone has any, I've had a very existentially stressful few weeks haha
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>>29815 >"Why have so many contributed to Western culture in invaluable ways and in so many fields - music, art, comedy, literature, history, religion, law, healthcare, psychology, film-making, drama and media, etc?" If you consider tasteless, subversive, degenerate kitsch that got forced by the tribe until people accepted it as their own culture to be contributions ... Sure, there are exceptions, but they do not change the rule. If you ever bothered reading a book about psychology from some Jewish author for example, you'd see that it doesn't diverge much from the collective Jewish psyche, with all of it's tendencies. Law? How to apply Talmud most efficiently? Healthcare? How to make goyim more sick so that we can sell them "medicine"? Let's not get into religion, which was how they subverted white societies in the first place. The only fields where Jews made some actual (but marginal) contributions were math and physics, perhaps philosophy and sociology (rare works which were not outright subversive), but even those could mostly be summed up with pic related. There were some exceptional individuals of Jewish origin who diverged entirely from the tribe, even those who made selfless contributions to the Aryan cause, but those were an anomaly and can't be used to justify the inclusion of Jews in any manner or capacity, or to argue against their biological programming. A kike will act like a kike even without Judaism, even if he is completely clueless about his origins. Biological determinism is not absolute, but it plays a role too great to ignore.
>>31261 Sure, those are good points. The point to explore though, is that perhaps the influential power structure behind the Western world's modern 'issues', is not composed of some vaguely cohesive group of Jews 'acting out', according to their more or less subconscious, biologically determined natures, but rather, an extremely organized and specific group with a consciously dictated ideology. This is the suggestion. Therefore, while the rank and file Jew may overwhelmingly act in accordance with everything you say, he is not the influential and determining figure behind the degenerating forces rotting world civilization, merely a propagator. The suggestion is that a specific tradition of 'Jewry', most notably and recently, the Sabattean-Frankist variety, that is at the forefront of world degeneration. Indeed, it makes little sense to call this 'Jewish', as it is so differentiated from the beliefs of rank and file jewry. However, does it derive from the fundamental 'essence' of the Judaic tradition? Absolutely. Are its members genetically related to those who call themselves 'Jew', it would seem so! Is this feasible? I don't know, but there is no shortage of evidence to suggest that it is the case.
>>31261 >The only fields where Jews made some actual (but marginal) contributions were math and physics And once you introduce Einstein to the equation, you suddenly realize the amount of time, money and efforts that were wasted in the pursuit of legitimizing a fraudulent theory from a verified scammer. His best defense was "you hate me you're an irrational antisemitic goy whawha" which worked very well back then and works even better up to this very day. (Incidentally, this goes along the point made in the picture you posted.) Besides, if one is supple (or desperate) enough to look for minor contributions, one will also find some of these contributions coming from some Pajeets or Nips too.
>>29816 >I hardly think that you, or anyone like you, could provide a "more perfect" version of the glorious state that was the Third Reich and its apparently 'imperfect' policies. Believe what you want, there is always room for improvement. NS Germany had a limited time to theorize and apply their model. >I have cleared this up, yes? No? I abandon all hope of seeing you providing this connection. Your theory about "normal Jews" vs "real/boss-tier Jews (implied, based on your writings, correct me if you will) is unfounded. The parasitic behaviour found in the elites is observed in the "normal Jews" of everyday and this can be verified any time. The real agenda that is actually being applied to the world stems from their true nature, whether it's found in a Rothschild or your street corner mortgage providing crook. Then, again, how does this relate to Tsarion's claim about the Jews' so marvellous contributions to our own civilization? I am still waiting for a clarification on your part here. >This is fucking nonsense, if you think that modern society has a 'better understanding' of race and genetics than the THIRD REICH, you are insane or a leftist fool who thinks our ancestors came from fucking Africa. Are you going to deny the many discoveries and refinements made in the field of genetics since WWII ended, now? Get real. >This why I brought up Tsarion here in the first place <Imagine studying Aryan history and esoterism, only to come up with the theory that a cartel of corporate suits that covers thousands of years uses a Druidic Christianity for its own benefit, operates from London and Rome and controls the whole world from these two cities. The City represents but a fraction of the world's financial power and Rome has lost most of its influence over Europe a long time ago, has near to none in North America, and is reduced to some heavy handed proselytizing in turd world countries. Woot! Here's the rest of the text: >Nothing has changed when it comes to the dominion of Aton. As Alan Butler and Stephen Dafoe have proven, the Culdean monks, of whom we write, had been hired for generations as tutors to elite families throughout Europe. In their book The Knights Templar Revealed Another book with such grand "revelations". Buckle up! Childish and sensationalist, as always. >the authors highlight the role played by Culdean adepts tutoring the super-wealthy and influential Catholic dynasties of Burgundy, Champagne and Lorraine, France. Research into the Templars and their affiliated “Salt Line” dynasties reveals that the seven great Crusades were not instigated and participated in for the reasons mentioned in most official history books. As we show here, the Templars were the military wing of British and European Atonists. It was their job to conquer lands, slaughter rivals and rebuild the so-called “Temple of Solomon” or, more correctly, Akhenaton’s New World Order. New one. So Akhenaton was planning to conquer the whole world. Good plot for the next batch of DC Comics I suppose. >After its creation, the story of Jesus was transplanted from Britain, where it was invented, to Galilee and Judea. LEL. It was literally constantly developed in the Mediterranean area of the Roman Empire. It was most heavily focused on Judea, on part because most Europeans could never bother or hope to verify the falsity of it. This does not change the fact that a lot of it is complete bollocks, even including names and the number of apostles, all recycled from, but not limited to, Eastern doctrines from Asia. >This was done so Christianity would not appear to be conspicuously Druidic in complexion. mysides.jpeg It's actually the Druids who tried to preserve whatever they could manage to hide within Christian texts, an infiltration of sorts, when their groups were being eradicated wherever they were found by Roman forces.
>>29816 >To conceive Christianity in Britain was one thing; to birth it there was another. The Atonists knew their warped religion was based on ancient Amenism and Druidism. They knew their Jesus, Iesus or Yeshua, was based on Druidic Iesa or Iusa, and that a good many educated people throughout the world knew it also. Their difficulty concerned how to come up with a believable king of light sufficiently appealing to the world’s many pagan nations. Their employees, such as St. Paul (Josephus Piso), were allowed to plunder the archive of the pagans. They were instructed to draw from the canon of stellar gnosis and ancient solar theologies of Egypt, Chaldea and Ireland. The archetypal elements would, like ingredients, simply be tossed about and rearranged and, most importantly, the territory of the new godman would be resituated to suit the meta plan.” >Michael Tsarion, The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume One >“As we stated, after their initial conquest, the Milesians began assimilating the gnosis of their predecessors. Of course they were no lovers of the Druids. After all, the British Druids were collaborators with their dire enemies, the Amenists. Nevertheless, returning to the ancient homeland was a most important step for the displaced and despised Atonists. Owning and controlling the wellspring of knowledge proved to be exceptionally politically fortunate for them. It was a key move on the grand geopolitical chessboard, so to speak. From their new seats in the garden paradise of Britain they could set about conquering the rest of the world. Their designs for a “New World Order,” to replace one lost, commenced from the Western Isles that had unfortunately fallen into their undeserving hands. But why all this exertion, one might rightly ask? Well, a close study of the Culdees and the Cistercians provides the answer. Indeed, a close study of history reveals that, despite appearances to the contrary, religion is less of a concern to despotic men or regimes than politics and economics. Religion is often instrumental to those secretly attempting to attain material power. This is especially true in the case of the Milesian-Atonists. The chieftains of the Sun Cult did not conceive of Christianity for its own sake or because they were intent on saving the world. They wanted to conquer the world not save it. In short, Atonist Christianity was devised so the Milesian nobility could have unrestricted access to the many rich mines of minerals and ore existing throughout the British Isles. Hey, it's not the Jews and Christianity wasn't invented by them, and certainly not to destroy the spiritual foundations of the white people so as to enslave and then exterminate them over time, but only to have access to silver, copper and iron mines. Who would have known? :o) :o)
>>29816 >It is no accident the great seats of early British Christianity - the many famous churches, chapels, cathedrals and monasteries, as well as forts, castles and private estates - happen to be situated in close proximity to rich underground mines. They actually happened to be placed on ancien pagan groves and old temples, which were built there both for geographical and astrological purposes and because, yes, people lived there and lived close to places where precious metals or stones could also be found, sometimes, and be extracted since, well, they didn't have cars, trucks and trains back then. Oh I bet you didn't know that! So the new faith could replace the old. If the plan was not to replace the pagan cults, the new Christian temples would have been built right next to the mines, whereas the older temples would have been sacked and left as ruins. >Of course the Milesian nobility were not going to have access to these precious territories as a matter of course. After all, these sites were often located beside groves and earthworks considered sacred by natives not as irreverent or apathetic as their unfortunate descendants. The fek. It's literally another American remake of Evil Fascist Corporatists who ruin Natives' sacred places in order to collect unobtainium. >The Atonists realized that their materialist objectives could be achieved if they manufactured a religion that appeared to be a satisfactory carry on of Druidism. What a convoluted plan. So it's Druidism but with a Christian polish so as not to look too druidic, but it's made so it looks druidic enough to the plebes so they are happy with the destruction of their temples. XD Enjoy the mental ride! >If they could devise a theology which assimilated enough Druidic elements, then perhaps the people would permit the erection of new religious sites over those which stood in ruins. If they were already in ruins, found in this desolate state by the Atenatianostites, then it meant the local people didn't care about their old pagan religions any longer and therefore there was no point trying all of this complicated subversion of something already abandoned by the locals. Now, if they were in ruins because they had been destroyed on purpose for the sake of a new creed, then how could we accept the ridiculous idea that natives would fancy their new religion because of some mistletoe juice being sprinkled here and there, through some cunning culture appropriation? Retarded. >And so the Order of the Culdees was born. So, Christianity was born. In the early days the religion was actually known as Culdeanism or Jessaeanism. Early Christians were known as Culdeans, Therapeuts or suggestively as Galileans. Although they would later spread throughout Europe and the Middle East, their birthplace was Britain.” Obviously, Galileans would have nothing to do with... well... you know...
>>33384 Haha not a bad exploration of the apparent rabbit hole of madness that compose Tsarion's many works! Much more productive than the usual "FUCK ALL JEWWWWSSS". I think many of your points and qualms can best be answered if a deeper reading of Tsarion is undergone on your part. But again, this might not be worth it and lead to confusion. I mean really, the gist of your 'debunking' of Tsarion amounts to casual dismissal and saying; >Childish and sensationalist, as always. or simply; >Retarded. Come on Your automatic and casual dismissal of shit that doesn't align with your preconceived notions as 'retarded', won't get you anywhere when it comes to learning new things. What is this attitude? But here we go again, it remains, the connection is still not drawn regarding this tired and seemingly obvious point!? >No? I abandon all hope of seeing you providing this connection. Your theory about "normal Jews" vs "real/boss-tier Jews (implied, based on your writings, correct me if you will) is unfounded. I really do not know what else I can say, is my English truly nonsensical? Must we revisit this again? However, you have not addressed the other points and responses I brought up last post. I assume you now, more or less, understand those arguments? But ok. >The parasitic behaviour found in the elites is observed in the "normal Jews" For the love of God man, I fucking agree with this and have stated my agreement many times. The only point of differentiation is my rejection of RIGID BIOLOGICAL DETERMINISM, regarding genetic Jews, and genetic inheritance in general. Do we have to discuss Jews in the Wehrmacht again, or god forbid make some SA analogies? So why would genetic Jews 'contribute' to Western civilization as Tsarion says, ie, develop medicine, music etc, that is 'beneficial' (at least in the modern materialistic sense of what constitutes 'good')? Or why would they do something even simply and harmless, like work in a mechanic shop for their whole life or something like that? Aren't they all EVIL??? Here's why, it is simply because they are not absolutely determined and programed to be a 'crook' by virtue of their biology, or even their exoteric religious beliefs, alone. Does Judaism and Jews 'need to go', yes yes and yes. That's a YES by the way. We have both explained the reasons for this. The point that Tsarion makes, is that there is perhaps a separate class of 'Jews', which are extremely differentiated from the rank and file jew (and yes, with the latter still being fundamentally 'bad', before you fucking pounce), which is present at the highest echelons of society. I don't see how one can deny the existence of this separate, Sabbatean-Frankist class of Jews, that is completely different (but yes, related) to normal jewry, given all the information that is out there, and certainly not just from fucking Tsarion. You know what, I won't get into the nitty gritty again, as interesting as it is, I fear it does more damage than good and causes irreconcilable confusion. As I stated last time, your beliefs are more or less suitable and I'll leave it at that.
>>33384 >Are you going to deny the many discoveries and refinements made in the field of genetics since WWII ended, now? Get real. Sure, and what are the main products of these so called 'discoveries and refinements' in terms of their impact on society. A belief that we are all genetically equal and there is no significant differentiation between the 'races', a belief that we evolved from black apes in Africa, a belief that Europeans are a genetic mutation from said black apes, etc etc etc. These beliefs are INSTITUTIONALIZED at the highest levels of scientific communities and society at large. So no, I reject the notions that we have a 'better understanding' than the Third Reich, of anything at all, let alone science and race. We may have a more 'technical', ie, 'Jewish' understanding of materialistic science, but it is utterly polluted with manufactured degeneracy at the highest levels. >If they were already in ruins, found in this desolate state by the Atenatianostites, then it meant the local people didn't care about their old pagan religions any longer and therefore there was no point trying all of this complicated subversion of something already abandoned by the locals. Now, if they were in ruins because they had been destroyed on purpose for the sake of a new creed, then how could we accept the ridiculous idea that natives would fancy their new religion because of some mistletoe juice being sprinkled here and there, through some cunning culture appropriation? Retarded. Your casual dismissal of this stuff does you no favors. To analyze things from the past, we have to overcome several hurdles. First among which is a simple lack of information and corruption of the historical record. Second, is our own, modern mindsets. We are products of a fundamentally materialistic upbringing, it is extremely difficult to analyze the motivations of traditional societies (leading to dismissing them as 'retarded', for fuck sake), which were driven by spiritual attitudes we can barely comprehend.
>>33373 It's actually both to a certain degree. Even if we performed a social experiment where a group of biological Jews are raised to be clueless about their origin, and not have any contact with Judaism whatsoever but instead gets raised on completely different values, most of them would still end up acting like total kikes. In an entirely different context, with different stories, the same behavioral patterns would emerge. They are kind of like pit-bulls, artificially selected for specific traits, which only get reinforced, boosted and directed with their religion. And even if you treat the pit-bull very well instead of training it for dog fighting, there is still a good chance that it will bite your kid's face off eventually and you are much better off getting a more organic, or at least less dangerous dog for your family. Of course, the idea that every single Jew in existence is bad is ridiculous, but whoever acts as their apologist should be seen with suspicion, if not as an outright subversive. Yes, there were and are some pretty cool Jews, some contributed to certain areas, some made pretty good literary works, music or movies, some fought in Wehrmacht, but we are dealing with numbers, ratios and percentages here. There is simply not enough of those to even partially excuse the overwhelming majority of them. Besides, those who diverged from their socio-biological programming were usually those with little admixture. Nurenberg laws existed for a reason. Personally, I think that having some kike DNA is good as it kind of serves like a vaccine. I mean, you must be pretty new here if you came to preach about the "good Jews" to the people who know about the Esau gambit and all of their tricks and memetic weapons, but I'll entertain your effort. If Sabbateans are so different from the rank and file jewry, why did they not rise against it or attempt to stop it? But yes, once the extremely organized group with consciously dictated ideology is eliminated, the rest will mostly fade into irrelevancy. I'm all for making a selection, but I don't see it justifying the risk and the resources needed. The "bulldog mentality" that you accused the other poster of having is actually a rule of a thumb in this case. Once the parasite is removed, we can study and observe individual kikes so that we can determine can they be included in our society or not, and in which capacity. In fact, we would let their actions speak for them, prior to that. Would they put their life on the line for it? Would they sacrifice themselves for it? There is overwhelming evidence showing that no matter how many times Jews were given a chance to behave differently, they have used that chance to double down on their corrosive behavior and ruin those who have given them that opportunity. >>33379 It wasn't Einstein that I was referring to. >one will also find some of these contributions coming from some Pajeets or Nips too. Far greater and more numerous contributions.
>>33407 >Once the parasite is removed, we can study and observe individual kikes so that we can determine can they be included in our society or not, and in which capacity. No, that’s the premise of many alien movies. The (((face suckers))) and matriarchal (((acid spitters))) always escape and royally fuck shit up.
>>33407 >Yes, there were and are some pretty cool Jews, some contributed to certain areas, some made pretty good literary works, music or movies, some fought in Wehrmacht, but we are dealing with numbers, ratios and percentages here. There is simply not enough of those to even partially excuse the overwhelming majority of them. Agreed brotha, I've never said or suggested any differently. >If Sabbateans are so different from the rank and file jewry, why did they not rise against it or attempt to stop it? Pretty simple here, the answer is that rank and file Jewry were not, and are not, even remotely aware of these things, same as ordinary aryan people. Ask the ordinary Jew, be they secular or religious, they won't know what the fuck a 'Sabbatean Frankist' even is, at least this is my intuition. >I mean, you must be pretty new here if you came to preach about the "good Jews" to the people who know about the Esau gambit and all of their tricks and memetic weapons, but I'll entertain your effort. I think you address this yourself with; >Yes, there were and are some pretty cool Jews, some contributed to certain areas, some made pretty good literary works, music or movies Where's the problem here? We are in alignment. >The "bulldog mentality" that you accused the other poster of having is actually a rule of a thumb in this case. Was never 'accusing' the other guy of this mentality, merely acknowledging it, and even validating its necessity for the majority of folk, including him. I don't think it is an adequate or completely accurate representation of reality as it stands, but most people have no need to understand the intricate and confusing 'reality', it's completely unnecessary for the majority of folks. After all, the entire German society of the Third Reich were certainly not 'Thule' initiates or racial scholars, they simply did their part as directed. This is the essence of hierarchy, or even outright differentiation of groups and individuals! I notice that even right wing circles are infected with the egalitarian 'one size fits all' attitude, even if they do not recognize it and may even nominally claim to oppose it. >There is overwhelming evidence showing that no matter how many times Jews were given a chance to behave differently, they have used that chance to double down on their corrosive behavior and ruin those who have given them that opportunity. This is why the entire religion needs to be done away with. Not exactly breaking new ground here are we?
>>31258 >Are Buddhism and European Paganism compatible? No.
>>29649 I'm a newfag here and also when it comes to esoterism, but I know enough about genetics and the jews to agree with you completely. It is the genetic make-up of the jews that makes them behave and act like they do. Of course there is a big majority that doesn't "consciously" try to subvert their host nations, but nonetheless they do it "unconsciously" due to their nature. This very same nature is the one that manifests in the elites, who "consciously" take that nature and define an ideology and agenda around it. So ultimately, 99% of jews are subversive, and 100% of jews carry the genes necessary to be subversive, and thus need to be eliminated entirely. On another note, as much as I hate newfagging, I do have 2 questions: 1) What kind of affiliation do people like the Clintons and the elite child sex traffickers have? Are they crypto-jews, or do they have some other kind of esoteric motivation? 2) I'd appreciate a list of the most essential books to dive right in into the esoteric, druids, ancient knowledge, etc.
>>33391 > A belief that we are all genetically equal and there is no significant differentiation between the 'races', a belief that we evolved from black apes in Africa, a belief that Europeans are a genetic mutation from said black apes, etc etc etc. These beliefs are INSTITUTIONALIZED at the highest levels of scientific communities and society at large. So no, I reject the notions that we have a 'better understanding' than the Third Reich, of anything at all, let alone science and race. We may have a more 'technical', ie, 'Jewish' understanding of materialistic science, but it is utterly polluted with manufactured degeneracy at the highest levels. I know a bit about this area and I reject your framing. Jews work tirelessly to subvert genetics and anthropology, but it is quite clear that European men are more evolutionarily advanced relative to apes and even blacks. Every bit of rigorous technical understanding we get collaborates the naive notion of racial differences, not challenges them. This is the whole reason js now rely on censorship and narrative building and such womanly nonsense. They have largely given up on pseudoscientific denialism. >>33454 No idea about hidden details, but I think it's important that Clinton and Trump and Biden had their children married to Jews. Hilariously, I'm not sure if the same is true of Sanders.
>>33409 Good point >>33410 >brotha *puts on a white robe. You came to the wrong neighborhood boy. >they won't know what the fuck a 'Sabbatean Frankist' even is, at least this is my intuition That's because they are incapable of even contemplating that something which they, or others of their kind do might be bad, nor caring about it. Average jew doesn't need to know the Protocols in order to jew, he does it instinctively and culturally. They are robots, most of which are total slaves with no free will or self-consciousness at all. It's those at the top of the hierarchy who make conscious, elaborate, long-term plots. And while they treat the outer circle jewry as barely more than cattle and useful idiots, they are still backing each other in every sphere. >but most people have no need to understand the intricate and confusing 'reality', it's completely unnecessary for the majority of folks In fact, inner circle was even more anti-Jew than the average solider, and had far more intricate and complex understanding of the JQ, including it's metaphysical, rather than just material aspects. >This is why the entire religion needs to be done away with. You are still left with genes which will re-create the religion in a different form after a while. If we are to have weaponized Jews, they would need to be sterilized. Anyway, Tsarion is right about "Atonism" being the source of corruption which kikes exploited to take control of Aryan societies and enslave them in the name of it's false god, but they never believed in in themselves, which is exactly what gave them so much advantage. Other than that, he doesn't seem to offer much of interest, especially not to some rather "seasoned" people who post here. Also, he seems to be wrong about many things. There is a thread discussing the nature of the Jew as well, it's redundant, if there are any "good jews" , let them go against the mafia (with all of the consequences) and I will recognize them as worthy of respect, just like I recognize Otto Rahn or Bobby Fischer (who were barely Jewish). Actions, not words. >>33454 >1) What kind of affiliation do people like the Clintons and the elite child sex traffickers have? Are they crypto-jews, or do they have some other kind of esoteric motivation? They are retards who get convinced by the kikes that they are very special, crypto-jews as well (you'll hardly find any so called "elites" who aren't), Hillary Clinton was a member of some Wicca coven or something kek, that's as basic as it gets. They traffic children because they want to fuck them, the rest is just larp, although their handlers do extract a lot of chtonic loosh from such activities. But mostly, it's just kikes and their shabbos doing kike things, without much deeper meaning behind it. Even Marina Abramovic is mostly pretending/acting, kikes lie, even when it comes to "dark powers" . They are as fake as it gets, no matter what they pretend to be or follow. A Jew is an organic lie. >2) I'd appreciate a list of the most essential books to dive right in into the esoteric, druids, ancient knowledge, etc. Are you interested in something specific, and what do you hope to accomplish with it? What are the rest of you lads up to, didn't see Welsh island lad post in a while, I hope he is doing ok. I visited a very interesting place recently and saw a snek protruding from behind a car radiator when coming back. Interesting omen. t. Serblad
>>33516 40k seems to be awol at the moment but he had got family and a new job to deal with. He'll be back in time.
>>33516 Apologies for the samefagging hence the sage, I've been keeping up the rites and thanks to the recent chimpouts been doing some overdue preparations.
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>>33516 > Are you interested in something specific, and what do you hope to accomplish with it? Well, being that I don't really know much about it I don't really know what I'm looking for. I just have a vague intuition about what esoterism is throgh lurking /lit/ and /pol/. I'm most familiar with the Perennialists, which I'm reading at the moment (Guenon). I guess I'm just interested in getting started with esoterism as a whole field, and learn about things like the Kali Yuga or Atonism. Is pic-related good for that? Also, esoteric Hitlerism seems interesting, I've already saved some Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano stuff.
It's good to see you lot again. I believe it has been a year or so since I posted on 8ch and talked with Druid lads. I'll keep in touch when I have some im-portent things. I am glad you're all doing well enough.
Anyone got some good Gnosis primers (pdfs, mp3s, mp4s) one could dump here?
>>33555 Full House numbers.
>>33390 >>33391 >I think many of your points and qualms can best be answered if a deeper reading of Tsarion is undergone on your part. Oh no, please no. I already had enough through something like two posts worth of quotations. I see nothing of interest there. Only bs. I have no plan to entertain your delusions. If you think Tsarion is great, good for you, enjoy his books. Then maybe six books later you will realize how much of your time you have absolutely wasted for no benefits whatsoever.
>>33407 >some made pretty good literary works, music or movies Like? >some fought in Wehrmacht Mostly "nationalistic" Jews who identified as Jews but wanted to stay in Germany because it was cozy and thought being German in the street but Jew at home was acceptable. Probably a good many Zionists in the pack too. but ALL OF THEM, carriers of the Jewish DNA-time bomb. >Personally, I think that having some kike DNA is good as it kind of serves like a vaccine. <having parts of Jewish DNA is useful to create a world free of Jewish DNA This opinion is absurd on its own face. What kind of advantage does it provide aside from the risk of possibly generating an individual with stronger Jewish instincts than Aryan ones? >But yes, once the extremely organized group with consciously dictated ideology is eliminated, the rest will mostly fade into irrelevancy. Wrong. Same as for the other anon, now could be a good time to understand how genetics work and that the "ideology" was formed from the minds of Jews who acted according to their own nature, lest you fancy a Cohen modal haplotype return. You get it all wrong if you think it's culture that came first. That's like saying race is a social/cultural construct. Bunker'd /pol/acks are really starting to worry me. Even if you were able, through some untold miracle, to destroy all traces of their culture, they would still regroup and regrow the same habits, the same needs for a tribal cohesion based on the urging expression of their instincts. You might reboot them to some degree but they will regrow a typically Jewish culture and it will return very fast as it will prove necessary to their survival as what they are. They will also still carry those genetic illnesses, first of all schizophrenia which is rampant in their population. >I'm all for making a selection, but I don't see it justifying the risk and the resources needed That is very contradictory. If you understand there is no gain but a waste of resources and many risks taken, then you should not be in favour of this selection. Let's get this odd idea out of your mind right now. I'd hate to learn you're one of those who wants to engineer some new Jew. It's not up to you to do work for them. Stop acting like a mother on Jews like other libs act like mothers with niggers. A people should not obtain more than what it can really produce on its own. <With this simple rule, we Whites will forever be on top. >Once the parasite is removed, we can study and observe individual kikes so that we can determine can they be included in our society or not, and in which capacity. Once you remove the parasite, you cannot observe its effects on the host any longer. Besides, the parasite will absolutely want to find another host. Also, we will not even try to include any of them. You must understand that ruthlessness is necessary here. Drop the compassion, the feeling that you owe them or some titular entity in the sky the effort of finding a place for some of them. Only barely Jews might be considered for inclusion, and this only under severe rules which would extend well beyond mere administrative or cultural guidelines. >In fact, we would let their actions speak for them, prior to that. As I said earlier on, many Jews are latent ones but can reveal their instincts at any time. In any case, their own progeny might prove more militant and orthodox than the parents. A risk we shall not take. >Would they put their life on the line for it? Would they sacrifice themselves for it? Should we care? >There is overwhelming evidence showing that no matter how many times Jews were given a chance to behave differently, they have used that chance to double down on their corrosive behavior and ruin those who have given them that opportunity. Yes, and that alone is more than sufficient to be without comprise, to be ruthless and to generalize against their whole population. Imagine Aryans sacrificing their sacred and precious time for the sake of some Jews, because of womanly sentimentalims and weakness. KEK! >It wasn't Einstein that I was referring to. I know, but once you introduce him and gauge the absolute waste of time and resources that resulted from his crook theory and other "contributions", then you see that the minor additions by some other Jews do not outweigh the damage he caused, thanks to support from the rest of the Jewish community who made him a champion of physics, then again showing the real "contribution" from Jews to our civilization. >Far greater and more numerous contributions. ...than Jews'? Most likely.
Lads here’s a few screen caps from The Phoenix Project; I found another lurker fan. Have a great day. >>33553 Thanks lad, glad you stopped in. >>33522 (observed) >He'll be back in time. Wew, that a good portent lad. I was getting worried tbh. >>33516 >saw a snek protruding from behind a car radiator when coming back. Interesting omen. That is bizarre lad, he must have been really cold to clime in there. >>33555 (observed) 8kun.top/PDFs/ is back up, use a vpn though. Is there anything specific you’re after lad or just general Gnosticism? I don’t have one myself, but the Kybalion should be on archive.org or libgen. Pic 3 is a translation of the Emerald Tablets Of Hermes.
>>33516 > It's those at the top of the hierarchy who make conscious, elaborate, long-term plots. And while they treat the outer circle jewry as barely more than cattle and useful idiots, they are still backing each other in every sphere. Yes this is the gist of it. >In fact, inner circle was even more anti-Jew than the average solider, and had far more intricate and complex understanding of the JQ, including it's metaphysical, rather than just material aspects. Good point. While the inner circle were 'more' passionate regarding their condemnation of the jew, it was certainly more nuanced, learned, and deep, than the simplistic, crude and vulgar understanding the majority of party affiliates would have had, such as the street fighting SA. The point is that this differentiation of ideals based on ones' place in society (sometimes quite pronounced), is natural, good and healthy. >Other than that, he doesn't seem to offer much of interest, especially not to some rather "seasoned" people who post here. I'm tempted to agree, but I think there are some valuable points he brings up here and there. Might be worth an exploration, if anyone is willing to get over this ridiculous Jewish hurdle. >>33565 You again? No tirade this time? Just a sentence or two of insults and casual dismissal? Fair play, if it's not for you, it's NOT FOR YOU. This is something I have emphasized again and again. Simply stay away from Tsarion, he clearly triggers/confuses you to the point of no return, his works do you no favors at all! >If you think Tsarion is great I don't think he's great at all, and have stated so many times. Your inability or unwillingness to register this simple fact is so very telling. >>33566 >Mostly "nationalistic" Jews who identified as Jews but wanted to stay in Germany because it was cozy and thought being German in the street but Jew at home was acceptable. Show sources for these types of claims, as far as i can tell they fought honorably and were recognized as such by the Reich in official capacity. The word of National Socialist officials simply carries more weight than yours. I just don't think you have any type of authority to dismiss the actions of genetic Jews who served loyally in the Wehrmacht as potential Zionists or whatever. Actions speak louder, and fighting Bolsheviks on the Eastern Front, despite being a 'genetic Jew', is more significant in my eyes than some 'Aryan' pontificating behind a computer. Rigid biological determinism just doesn't fit the bill, as reality demonstrates. >ALL OF THEM, carriers of the Jewish DNA-time bomb. However, can't disagree there!
>>33568 From what I hear, one can achieve Gnosis to defeat their inner demiurge to achieve something? You might know what I mean. I wanna be on the truthful track, y'know?
>>33568 >>33570 Something about uniting Sofia and Christ?
>>33569 Rigid biology is the only thing that matters. No matter how useful a Jew is he is still a Jew and if allowed to survive in an Aryan society he will impact it negatively either directly or through his children. Historically Germany went to soft on the Jews, I love and respect Hitler but you can't take their light approach to Judaism as a model prescription to the Jewish problem. Heavier means are needed. No Jew regardless of his positive impact must be allowed to exist on this earth. We simply can't afford to risk it especially seeing the modern day impact of full blown Jewry. It's either us or them, there is no good Jew.
>>33580 >Rigid biology is the only thing that matters. I mean this is clearly not the case. HOWEVER, I see no harm in a portion, or even the majority of individuals affiliated with the 'movement' thinking like this. This oversimplified, rigid, crude and bulldog attitude of yours', while not objectively 'accurate', is nonetheless suitable. Most people have no need to understand the nuances and rabbit holes of these topics. It's all part of the hierarchical system of ideas this movement desperately needs to establish, we need to stop attempting to 'universalize' beliefs and opinions, there needs to be this differentiation, but also cohesion, direction and cooperation! It is harrowing to see subtle egalitarian liberal attitudes of universal belief penetrate our circles. But I'll digress, no one wants to hear this shit anyway. >Historically Germany went to soft on the Jews, I love and respect Hitler but you can't take their light approach to Judaism as a model prescription to the Jewish problem. I cannot take your casual and unfounded critique of Third Reich policy seriously. Here is a society that was a divine incarnation of the European essence, a perfect blend between pragmatism and principle, modernity and tradition. So if you want to critique this and say they were "too soft", feel free to start your own "hard" movement that does it the "right way", good luck taking off with that uncompromising platform. There's a lot of things we can critique about the Third Reich and learn from, the "too soft" treatment of Jews is not one of them. You know who Hitler went "too soft" on? It was the fucking Prussian aristocrats, who he saved from Marxist annihilation, and who then paid him back by repeatedly attempting to assassinate him, or constantly undermining his military plans. Yes, these Prussian "model Aryans", with their outdated and decadent persuasions, and who really do resemble the modern incarnation of neoconservatives and other useless remnants of the failed, old European civilization, bear a large responsibility for the defeat of Germany. And their spiritual descendants in the modern 'Christian democratic' parties of Europe, or the GOP of America, continue this vile, conservative 'clinging' to the decadent past. They need to be eradicated and replaced before we can ever move on to their Jewish controllers. Ah well, rant over. The gist of it is this, critiquing the Third Reich is not the solution, this is not something that should be critiqued, but emulated and respected, even deified, in every way possible. They paved the way for us, we simply need to repeat it with a contemporary spin. "For the man to come"
>>33569 >You again? No tirade this time? Just a sentence or two of insults and casual dismissal? I don't need more, faggot. >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D Enjoy this: dailystormer.su/scientists-say-listening-to-jews-stops-your-brain-from-working-correctly/ Talk about the Jews' major contributions to our civilization. I'll stop calling you names when you'll drop your support for that retarded boomer called Tsarion.
You'd soon learn that you're dealing with a Jew who's posting here, or a Jew-lover who would want to keep his (((girlfriend))), desperately looking for excuses to mitigate the Jewish problem.

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