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How Vulnerable Are America's Power Grids? Anonymous 10/05/2019 (Sat) 16:00:44 No. 6838
Remember These Type Of Threads Lads?

by Tyler Durden
Fri, 10/04/2019 - 22:45

> America's electricity grid powers our lives, but, as The Epoch Times' Chris Chappell points out, because it was never built with attacks in mind, it has plenty of vulnerabilities.
> Everything from malware cyber-attacks, to geomagnetic storms, to nuclear detonations in the atmosphere above the US, even sophisticated electronic weapons from Russia and China - all these threaten to shut down our grid and sow chaos.
> So what, if anything, is being done to counter this threat?

Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/how-vulnerable-are-americas-power-grids
Archive: http://archive.fo/Udaxl
America’s Power Grid: Vulnerable or Not?

> The current threat posed by North Korea can be debated back and forth, but one thing we know for certain is that the country’s dictator, Kim Jong-Un, has weapons capable of of an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attack. This thought is terrifying and we citizens have no way of knowing how far those capabilities go and whether or not we might live in a targeted area.
> Not very comforting, and I tend toward paranoia in the best of times. A war here on American soil is a terrifying thought.
> Dictators are more interested in self-preservation than anything else, and, perhaps, that’s the one thought that gives me a bit of comfort. All the same, America’s power grids are not all that secure and definitely not hardened against this type of attack.
> America’s power grids
> America has 3 separate power grids, the Eastern grid, the Western grid, and the Texas grid, which is owned by Texas. These 3 networks are not connected with each other. Therefore, if one should go down, it cannot get energy from the other two.
> These grids connect power generating plants with giant transformers that, once installed, weigh over 800,000 pounds. From these primary transformers, power is transmitted along high voltage lines that connect with smaller transformers and substations, which ultimately bring power to homes, businesses, and industries.
> As impressive as our generating stations are and as complex as the system is, there are numerous weaknesses that make it vulnerable to an EMP, as well as sabotage, cyberterrorism, and a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME).
> The giant transformers that collect the initial power generated would be rendered inoperable by an EMP. These transformers are not built in the United States. Our country no longer has the forging equipment to make something that large. It generally takes a couple of years to build transformers this size, and that’s assuming current infrastructure is in place and functioning. In a big enough crisis, it might be possible for a power station to procure one of these giant transformers more quickly, but that isn’t something anyone should count on.
> Even though many power plants have backup transformers, these, too, could be disabled by an EMP unless they are protected in some way.
> Another weakness in our power grid system is the reliance on backup generators for the continued operation of our power plants. The concept is great and will work during a typical catastrophe, such as a hurricane, earthquake or short-term blackout. However, the pulse generated by an EMP will affect most of the systems that keep these plants running, and that will most likely include the backup generators. Even if some of the generators remain in working order, they will still need an indefinite supply of fuel to maintain a level of energy production, and the production and transportation of that fuel will be just as affected by EMP than the generators themselves.
> Finally, there is the human element. The people who run these power plants also have children and loved ones that they will want to protect and provide for in the event of a catastrophic event. In fact, they, more than most of us, will quickly realize the implications of the power grid failure. It’s unreasonable to expect them to continue on their jobs, against all odds and in constant danger, in order to make Herculean efforts to restore power – if that would even be possible. Without the necessary staff on hand, the plant cannot continue to operate.
Why no protection against EMP?
> A number of years ago I spent some time with a relative who had worked on a task force as a police officer in a large city. He was aware of the vulnerability of the 2 large, local power plants but said, “The people who run these plants know about EMP and other threats but don’t care to spend the money in order to harden their systems.”
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>>6840
> Why doesn’t that surprise me? Congress hasn’t shown much interest, either. Two Congressional EMP reports are almost a decade old, and yet, nothing has been done to protect the power grids the entire country relies on. (Do take some time to read this report — it’s more readable than most other government documents.) As recently as 2015, members of Congress have been informed of the threat but with no action.
> This emphasizes the need of every household in the country to go full-on YOYO, You’re On Your Own. It’s pointless to sit and wait while those in power dilly, dally, and collect contributions to their so-called War Chests before making the decision to discuss an issue. With Kim Jong-Un at the helm of a rogue country with nuclear weapons and 25% of the population participating in his military. We can laugh at the rotund dictator, but with his pudgy finger near the nuclear green-light button, it doesn’t pay to ignore the menace.
Source: https://preparednessadvice.com/emp/americas-power-grid-vulnerable-or-not/
Archive: http://archive.fo/OZRtS
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GOOGLE DATA CENTERS
KEEP THIS DATA AS A TEXT FILE FOR FUTURE USE AFTER THEY REFUSE INTERNET ACCESS
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The locations of Google's various data centers are as follows:[2]
United States:
Berkeley County, South Carolina (33°03′50.8″N 80°02′36.1″W) — since 2007, expanded in 2013, 150 employees
Council Bluffs, Iowa (41°13′17.7″N 95°51′49.92″W) — announced 2007, first phase completed 2009, expanded 2013 and 2014, 130 employees
Douglas County, Georgia (33°44′59.04″N 84°35′5.33″W) — since 2003, 350 employees
Jackson County, Alabama[3]
Lenoir, North Carolina (35°53′54.78″N 81°32′50.58″W) — announced 2007, completed 2009, over 110 employees
Montgomery County, Tennessee (36°37′37.7″N 87°15′27.7″W) — announced 2015
Mayes County, Oklahoma at MidAmerica Industrial Park (36°14′28.1″N 95°19′48.22″W) — announced 2007, expanded 2012, over 400 employees[4]
The Dalles, Oregon (45°37′57.04″N 121°12′8.16″W) — since 2006, 80 full-time employees
Henderson, Nevada — announced in 2018 : 1,210 acres of land bought in 2017 in the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center;[5] project approved by the state of Nevada in November 2018[6]
South America:
Quilicura, Chile (33°21′30.5″S 70°41′50.4″W) — announced 2012, online since 2015, up to 20 employees expected. A $140 million investment plan to increase capacity at Quilicura was announced in 2018.[7]
Europe:
Saint-Ghislain, Belgium (50°28′09.6″N 3°51′55.7″E) — announced 2007, completed 2010, 12 employees
Hamina, Finland (60°32′11.68″N 27°7′1.21″E) — announced 2009, first phase completed 2011, expanded 2012, 90 employees
Dublin, Ireland (53°19′12.39″N 6°26′31.43″W) — announced 2011, completed 2012, 150 employees[8]
Eemshaven, Netherlands (53.425659°N 6.8593522°E) — announced 2014, completed 2016, 200 employees
Fredericia, Denmark — announced 2018, planned completion in 2021[9]
Asia:
Jurong West, Singapore (1°21′04.8″N 103°42′35.2″E) — announced 2011, completed 2013
Changhua County, Taiwan (24°08′18.6″N 120°25′32.6″E) — announced 2011, completed 2013, 60 employees
GCP Google Data Center, India -- announced 2017, completed 2019
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_data_centers
Archive: http://archive.fo/NmOEZ
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Google Data Center Graphics (pic provided)
Source: https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/locations/index.html
Archive: http://archive.is/D9bwo
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Article: Google Unveils $13 Billion in New Data Center Construction for 2019
Link: https://datacenterfrontier.com/google-unveils-13-billion-in-new-data-center-construction-for-2019/
Archive: http://archive.fo/jRzhd
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Article: Google to Spend $1.1 Billion on New Data Centers in Netherlands
Link: https://www.itprotoday.com/data-center/google-spend-11-billion-new-data-centers-netherlands
Archive: http://archive.fo/c8CRY
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Facebook Data Center Map (Provided Pic)
Link: https://baxtel.com/data-centers/facebook#datacenter-map
Archive: https://archive.fo/kdtJU
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Facebook Singapore Tajong Kling
Sunview Drive
Singapore 627485
Located in Singapore
Facebook Odense Denmark
M. P. Allerups Vej 48
5220 Odense, Denmark
Located in Denmark
120.0 MWs Under Construction
Utility: Energinet
Facebook plans to build two data center buildings that will be 270,000 sqft each. The first building will be completed in 2020.
Facebook Esbjerg Denmark
Esbjerg
Denmark
Located in Denmark
Utility: SYD ENERGI Net A/S
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Facebook Huntsville
North Huntsville Industrial Park
Huntsville, AL 35773
Located in Huntsville
970,000 Building SqFt
Facebook's $750 million datacenter project in Huntsville was previously known by the codename “Starbelt.” The data center will be located in the North Huntsville Industrial Park and is expected to launch in 2020.
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Facebook Clonee Ireland
Sli Na Chairde
Portan, Clonee, Co. Meath, Ireland
Located in Dublin
Facebook Los Lunas
4250 Messenger Loop NW
Los Lunas, NM 87031
Located in Albuquerque
30.0 Megawatts
400,000 Building SqFt
Facebook announced the planned construction of two data centers in Los Lunas. While still under construction, Facebook announced an additional four buildings to be constructed. The siz buildings will total 2.8 million sqft.
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Facebook Luleå
Datavägen 15977 54 Luleå
Sweden
Located in Sweden
Facebook Forest City
480 Social Circle
Forest City, NC 28043
Located in North Carolina Data Center Corridor
40.0 Megawatts
740,000 Building SqFt
The Forest City location consists of two buildings with 370,000 sqft each.
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Facebook Eagle Mountain Utah
Eagle Mountain
UT 84005
Located in Salt Lake City
970,000 Building SqFt
The Facebook datacenter will be a 970,000 square foot building, located in northern Utah County, at the Sweetwater Industrial Park in Eagle Mountain, Utah.
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Facebook Papillion Nebraska
Capehart Rd & S 144th St
Springfield, NE 68059
Located in Omaha
200.0 MWs Under Construction
Q1 2020 Scheduled completion
The original plan called for 900,000 sqft data center space and a 70,000 office space. Facebook has since announced an expansion that will bring the complex to 2.6 million square feet. The first data center comes online in 2020.
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Facebook Fort Worth
4500 Like Way
Fort Worth, TX 76177
Located in Dallas
440,000 Building SqFt
When completed, the Fort Worth site will be Facebook’s largest data center to date, four buildings connected to form two “H” shapes, plus one standalone center, for a total of 20 data hall
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Facebook Henrico
6200 Technology Blvd
Sandston, VA 23150
Located in Richmond
The 970,000-square-foot Facebook data center in the White Oak Technology Park will use solar power and 100 percent renewable energy.
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Facebook Newton (Atlanta)
Social Circle
GA 30025
Located in Atlanta
Utility: Walton Electric Membership Corporation (EMC)
Facebook's data center in Social Circle just East of Atlanta is under construction and will be ready in 2020. It will be powered by 100 percent clean and renewable energy and cooled using outside air.
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Facebook Altoona Iowa
100 Share Way NW
Altoona, IA 50009
Located in Des Moines
117.0 Megawatts
1,440,000 Building SqFt
Phase 1: 476,000 square-foot, $300 million building built in 2014
Phase 2: 468,000 square feet
Phase 3: 496,000 square feet
Phase 4: The fourth building will be a 'cold storage' facility. SqFt TBD.
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Facebook New Albany Ohio
1367 Beech Road SW
New Albany, Ohio 43054
Located in Columbus
970,000 Building SqFt
In August 2017, Facebook announced plans to build its first data center in the state in New Albany. The 970,000-square-foot facility is being constructed on 345 acres in the business park on the east side of Beech Road and south of the state Route 161 interchange.
>>6847
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Facebook Prineville
735 S.W. Connect Way
Prineville, OR 97754
Located in Bend Prineville
40.0 Megawatts
Utility: Pacific Power
In 2010, Prineville was selected to house Facebook's first data center. Now plans are in place for 7 data centers on the campus with up to 3.2 million square feet.
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AMAZON DATA CENTERS
Source: https://wikileaks.org/amazon-atlas/
Archive: https://archive.ph/ouP7d
pdf File from Wikileaks attached
>>6838
I remember. I've always been of the opinion that nothing will ever get done, reality won't set in until people can no longer be comfortable. Take away air conditioning, shopping, and convenient transportation and people will be forced to confront the truth.
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>>6838
I have read this yes, also seen many stations just sitting out in the field with chain link fence. Weird huh? Also federal fortresses were never designed to be defended either. Hubris I suppose. Of course they were built in much different times. Surrounded by all that cover and suburbs and such.
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>>6893
Dr. Pierce would never approve of a meme with typos and spelling errors. Here's a cleaned up version.
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>>7129
>>6893
Ah, glass houses and stones and all that. Take 3. I'm still a little Leery of the Excessive Capitalization but this will do for now.
>>6838
I'm afraid some idiot will try and bomb a power station or the spooks stage a similar false flag before the time is right. This would draw massive attention to the insecure power infrastructure.
>>7493
do you have any idea what it would cost to either guard or harden our power infrastructure?
>DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA????????????????????????????????
>>6847
Yeah...in case of a civil war...let's attack the computer nerds.. that'll do it...
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Hmmm..yeah.. some guy put up this picture on 4chan...

Now... in case of a theoretical civil war.. after a collapse...when there are no more laws or government... I HOPE you're not so ABYSMALLY STUPID as to attack a power STATION.. which is a small fixed location that can be easily guarded even by a single sniper... when there are miles and miles and miles and miles and miles of power LINES....
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Hmmm..yeah.. some guy put up this picture on 4chan...

Now... in case of a theoretical civil war.. after a collapse...when there are no more laws or government... I HOPE you're not so ABYSMALLY STUPID as to attack a power STATION.. which is a small fixed location that can be easily guarded even by a single sniper... when there are miles and miles and miles and miles and miles of power LINES....
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>>7502
A million jewbuxs
>>7658
(((((((((((((((( G O R I L L I O N S )))))))))))))))))
>>7493
its impossible for them to guard all the power stations. There are too many power stations without enough people to cover them.
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>>6838
Military strikes often happen at night and one of the first targets is the power grid since taking it down reduces the ability of the enemy to react. I wonder why none of the combatants who fought against zog so far tried using that tactic.
>>7502
>>7867
Good point
>>7599
You don't have to kill them. Just forcefully evacuate the building and blow up the place.
>>7130
>all that
oi you got a loicence for that nursery rhyme?
>>8004
Based Ben Franklin renactments.
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>>7130
filesize reduced
>>8970
I have been looking for this, thank you anon.

I really don't understand why no group has tried to take out the power grid yet if it is so vulnerable. Maybe a group tried, met more resistance/difficulty than anticipated, and failed--it's not like that would end up in the news, because drawing attention to it would just encourage other groups fighting against the system to try as well. I wonder if we will ever see anyone make a real effort to turn the lights off.
>>10783
Didn't Adamwaffle get caught trying to do it?
>>10807
I wouldn't know, sauce?
>>10811
Kikeopedia. I just read into it and no, they got caught for other stuff, but were talking about it.

http://archive.fo/aRHtf
>>10814
>article references them acting as individuals killing zero-value targets and planning on trying to bomb a nuclear facility (which would never happen, those things are so heavily guarded they're raid-tested by navy seal teams, and the seal teams fail)
I guess I thought there would be greater cohesion and more intelligent leadership. Maybe I'll reserve judgement until I learn more about them.

My own search did turn up a site called fascistforge, for whatever that's worth to anyone here. Looks like a vetted forum.
2 satan 2 icbms are enough to emp all of america. let that sink in.
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>>10960
That's insane, but no one is going to detonate a nuke at mid-altitude over america (not even NK, they'd be flattened within a year by the kikes' army). I'd be curious to learn what other methods of emp exposure exist, purely for scientific purposes. There are those who say that nukes don't even exist. How would we even prove they do? They make sense from a physics standpoint, and yet apparently only the intermediate steps of nuclear fusion have been scientifically 'shown/proven.'
>>10966
>o one is going to detonate a nuke at mid-altitude over america

oh that's where you're wrong kiddo.
it's not a matter of if but when

and the line keeps expanding.
>>10991
<insane meaning cool
I don't fight against those who welcome it. By
>it's not a matter of if but when and the line keeps expanding
are you talking about receding american military dominance and/or a specific military attempting this in particular? I can't see israel nuking their own attack dog before others, so will it be NK, China, Iran, or Russia?
>>10994
i'm talking about that the jewnited kikes pissed on the world and sooner or later someone will take a big fat dump on their ranch.
like shortly before they start ww3 or shortly after. in short, karma is a bitch.
is it possible to protect against EMPs, like put something like faraday cage designs everywhere?
>>11109
you can harden tech against EMPs but its not practical for the power grid unless you had unlimited time, money, manpower and resources
Bump
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Just a note:
found this on Twitter today
https://twitter.com/ExtoFull/status/1192186003462606848
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>>8004
OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Boomp
>>6840
>giant transformers that, once installed, weigh over 800,000 pounds
>Our country no longer has the forging equipment to make something that large. It generally takes a couple of years to build transformers this size, and that’s assuming current infrastructure is in place and functioning.
What are these transformers and where are they?
>>10783
>why no group has tried to take out the power grid yet
>"group"
I'm only assuming that any successful attack will be blamed on momentary outages or some sort of natural disaster.

You must also consider what comes after such an attack against the power grid. Chaos in of itself is not the end goal for most domestic insurgents (i.e. not Is1s). They seek to establish a new order which would be extremely difficult in disorder and panic, with no common goal or narrative. It would have to be a lengthy and steadfast campaign of terror to destabilize the system even further past its recovery efforts to even get the public to start distrusting and rebelling against the system, let alone considering your political order. Such small groups would be unmanned with very few resources to keep up such a hostile campaign. What do they currently do instead?

To avoid most of the pitfalls of such attack, war, or collapse scenarios would bring, most revolutionary types are currently focused on propaganda efforts to set the stage for widespread societal acceptance for revolt or secession. This is the same campaign most foreign intelligence services are currently employed in. This would be no different for domestic groups. Be aware of the many frivolous lawsuits brought forward against legitimate and peaceful dissidents. If so much as one 'inspired attacker' was theorized to be radicalized by said speaker or leader, then you can have your life ruined, be thrown in jail, or be sued for all you're worth.

It is getting more costly to wage propaganda campaigns in the social credit, terrorists-everywhere-paranoia, and hate speech era. Year by year, this ironically makes violence much more appealing to not just dissidents but whole wide ranging susceptible Western audiences. While it is not illegal to speak of such things as rebellion, it is quite costly to speak openly and transparently without being targeted through civil suit and "de-personing".

>why no attack?
1. People are content and too afraid of revolt ATM. Paychecks and Rent are more likely to cross their minds than revolt. Propaganda is a more important focus for dissidents ATM.
2. Insurgents don't want the attack to be uncoordinated and unpopular, or more importantly blamed on other causes/sources.
3. How will you impose your will after everything is said and done, especially with no public or financial support?
>>15210
>Chaos in of itself is not the end goal for most domestic insurgents
It should be.
Rule number one for insurgencies is; Your goal is to break the public's perception that the government can protect them.
Furthermore, America's lemmings are controlled because of bread and circuses. Disrupting these false life-goals is the first step in Revolution.
>>15253
>chaos "should be" the end goal
>chaos "is the first step in Revolution"
oKKKay? This is why short sighted insurgent fail.
>>15331
lol stfu semantic games boomer.

>>15253
based
>>15331
every end is a beginning
>>15331
>You should not seek to cause chaos in the ranks of the enemy
>"This is why short sighted insurgent fail."
Explain how a Revolution could be initiated while the enemy is strongest.
If I wanted to do such a thing, I would make sure my enemies got the blame for it. For a while, people are going to hate whoever they think is responsible for unplugging them from the matrix. Just a thought.
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>>15423
What in the german shit is that supposed to mean?
There should be more off-grid or resilient grid creations to be prepared for breakdowns of large centralized systems.
>>15370
>should not seek to cause chaos
Not my claim. I'm scolding morons conflating the beginning with the end.
>the enemy is strongest
Wrong. The enemy grows stronger as white populations decline and dissident membership declines and ages.
>>15253
>bread and circuses
What comes after? Do you just hope the populous won't return back to "Democracy" for bread and citcus? You're all very shortsighted.
>>15353
>semantic games
No. It's very important to see where your insurgency should end. Your plan would fall short with no foresight or follow through.
>>15489
>I'm scolding morons conflating the beginning with the end.
Then you're projecting. Hard.
No one is conflating the beginning with the end.

> The enemy grows stronger as white populations decline and dissident membership declines and ages.
And the longer this System goes in unopposed, the more and more we decline.
Chaos is the beginning of the end for the System.

>What comes after?
The loss of legitimacy of the System and a building of White organizations capable of returning fire.
Everything that is happening is a result of White failure to organize. White men are too comfortable, too placid. Removing the ability of the System to pacify the population with false comfort and false security will destroy the one thing keeping White men from revolting.
Additionally, every billion dollars lost is less money that the System can pay their hired thugs. Through either inflation or taxation to compensate for useless loss, the wealth of the hired thugs decreases.
Finally, the System understands that it survives only by maintaining a 24/7 propaganda machine directed at White lemmings. Interrupting this machine is an imperative.

Also, every cop they need to use to police the cities is one less cop in the rural regions. Less police = more opportunity for Revolt.

You are the one who is short sighted.
Explain how one can overthrow the Regime without attacking its source.
>>15497
>No one is conflating the beginning with the end.
Except people here think that erosion of public trust in the system is enough to win the war. Considering this is on a power-grid thread they probably think that one attack with no other efforts will be a decisive victory. Sorry. I don't buy it.
>Chaos is the beginning of the end
That is until recovery efforts outpace your reign of terror. That is not even mentioning that a similar system that mimics or leads to the same old structure could just be reinstated again. Therefore, shortsighted and henceforth why propaganda and organization is important right now. We need more agreement on an order or it's just bread and circuses again after stabilization.
>pacify whites from revolting
Revolting towards what end though? The old Constitution of Continental Congress? Maga God Emperor? Democracy again? Total anarchy? That is most likely the popular choices considering the "rightwing" and militias right now. That is unacceptable. It's more important to start inflating these pro-white sentiments before a successful revolt and righteous order can be established. The rhetoric is growing and all the poll numbers, public speeches, and data on polarization are starting to show it.

Too early we're unorganized. Too late then we're too weak. And some asshole may attack before coordination and fuck it all up, making it twice as hard to establish a new government that actually represents a new one.

>every cop they need to use to police the cities is one less cop
I'm pretty sure it would be way worse for the establishment considering the demographics of the police and military. The only real way they may be able to maintain order is by hiring civilian groups like gangs (mongrel scoundrels by letting them robbing/looting in-exchange), and that bad considering how many gangs are present within the U.S. Even foreign 3rd parties seeking to benefit may start to get involved.
>rural regions
That is where the system has it's sights currently for more immigration, but possibly when a conflict arises as well. They may seek targets just as the rebels do. They may look at taking over transportation of goods, agriculture, or numerous key factories. Although, just with game-planning it's all speculation. I still think a "right leaning" victory is apparent, but it would need more than a victory. It shouldn't have to be such a struggle when radicalization is happening so fast, making propaganda and recruitment very appealing. Now is just not the right time for an insurgent movement, but maybe fairly soon. Who knows.
>Explain how one can overthrow the Regime without attacking its source.
I never asserted that. Eventually they will be attacked by someone. I'm just saying that just willy-nelly attacking some powerline without an actual game plan is folly. You will have no clue what groups will retain control or how long chaos will ensue.

I'm not trying to be demoralizing but more considerations need to be mentioned. Propaganda leading to consequent organization is more important right now, unless there is some badass (and based) crew that has it's plan all laid out that I'm not aware of. There are also many other targets besides the powergrid, not that the powergrid isn't weak already.
>>15502
>Except people here think that erosion of public trust in the system is enough to win the war.
No one thinks that.
What people think is that once the System is destabilized, then we can begin the next stage in Revolution; Organizing.

>Considering this is on a power-grid thread they probably think that one attack with no other efforts will be a decisive victory. Sorry. I don't buy it.
Neither do I. What people hope is that one attack will lead to others.
In case you were unaware, White Nationalists these days are a bunch of gossiping women. People are so afraid of meeting each other because everyone is a cia agent and everyone is a jew and everyone is a tranny and everyone is a homosexual.
So White patriots have foolishly put their trust in Stochastic terrorism as a means forward.
So be it. Neither you or I can change this idiotic perception among Third Positionists. We are chronically incapable of organizing and when we do, we tend to devote 80% of our energies in engaging in these faggoty little pissing contests with each other. Like women mercilessly gossiping about each other behind everyone else's back.
>Oy veh, so and so is not pure enough!
>Oy veh, 20 years ago, such and such dated a nigger!
>Oy veh, Jon Doe had a great grandfather who was in Special forces, he must be a fed!

Pathetic? Yes. Avoidable? No.

>We need more agreement on an order or it's just bread and circuses again after stabilization.
Not realistic. I agree that this would be ideal, but we simply lack the cohesiveness and organizational capabilities to coalesce around a coherent and unified set of political goals.
Please don't take this as an insult, but you are very new to this "movement." Believe me, I understand your frustrations. We all do. We are too unorganized. We are too weak.
You know, we've been trying to organize for decades and in 2017 we actually had a pretty good thing going. This will earn me a lot of hatred, but the Alt-right was a good thing. It was the beginning of White political organization. It was larger and wielded more potential influence than the organizations of Dr. Pierce and Howard Covington combined.
But it descended into petty infighting and faggotry because our movement is cursed with individuals who are too big for their boots and narcissistic backstabbers who all want to be the fuhrer. We have too many generals and not enough soldiers.
Oh and also, we're fucking cowards and a little heat from the (((media))) caused many so-called men to run for the hills the moment some whale was turned into a martyr. It really sickens me. I am disgusted with the cowardice of people who should know that we're the victims of the unspeakable crime of genocide by an evil government and monstrous parasites. The alt-right was a good thing and we destroyed it out of selfishness and fear.

>The only real way they may be able to maintain order is by hiring civilian groups like gangs
Yes. They're actually quite open about it.
If you can stomach listening to a literal NPR faggot for 45 minutes, I'd recommend listening to https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-it-could-happen-here-30717896/
Find the episode "The Next American Genocide"
In this, this raging leftist faggot explains with tangible glee the prospect of highering literal criminal gangs to "wipe the floor with any White nationalist militias they came across."

This is actually a very influential podcast among the soy-left and should be taken seriously, despite the nasally bitch-voice of the speaker. I have found that the majority of the soy-left actually believes this. And he should also be taken seriously since he is actually quite well connected and so are they. Better than us.

>willy-nelly attacking some powerline without an actual game plan is folly.
I agree with you. The trouble is, as you pointed out, we lack the organizational capabilities of effective political movements like the PIRA, Hezbullah, or even of the soy-left.
I do not know how to create these organizations in the face of the dual problems of White fickleness and real fbi subversion. However, I have made threads detailing how groups like the PIRA and ETA operated.

>You will have no clue what groups will retain control or how long chaos will ensue.
I agree. However, if I had a choice, I'd rather a slim chance at victory on a somewhat fair playing field rather than the grim certainty of racial extinction which we face under the current System.
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checked! he's a question answerer

>rather a slim chance at victory on a somewhat fair playing field rather than the grim certainty of racial extinction which we face under the current System

I wonder if there is any data or science behind what whites should do at this point? Aside from just posting "fed posting" or the "lemming.jpg" memes. At this point a good portion of propaganda is justified (at-least in my mind) due to political and racial discontent mounting noticeable via polling and survey data.

Is there any data driven/proven ways to continue forward?
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>>Prophesy
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>>15510
>It was the beginning of White political organization. It was larger and wielded more potential influence than the organizations of Dr. Pierce and Howard Covington combined.
At its peak, National Alliance had more than a million in its coffers.
The alt-right might have worked longer if so many of its high position figures had not been Zionists, Jews or faggots. One may say that it was even allowed to blossom to some extent, knowing full well that it was controlled.
So don't mourn the alt-right, it's dead, good, it was a starter.
>In this, this raging leftist faggot explains with tangible glee the prospect of highering literal criminal gangs to "wipe the floor with any White nationalist militias they came across."
Communists always recruit the scum of the earth for their awful deeds. Always.
>Hezbullah
Exists inside a shit hole "country" (prison) in a constant state of bombardment.
Whites in comparison have the good life.>>15510
>>15546
>checked
>data driven
Hello FBI agent #4586, we’re talking about our favorite game Minecraft in this thread, no one would actually do this in real life. Don’t be fooled by these LARP anons.
<We are a board of peace
Anyway. The best and most data driven way to affect change from here is to peacefully protest and stand up for what’s right. Beyond that, making sure that you are opposing moral decay in all facets of life and living as an upstanding citizen. Should our great nation eventually fall into a great state of turmoil and war, I think our experience playing Minecraft will really come in handy.
>>15546
>I wonder if there is any data or science behind what whites should do at this point?
>Is there any data driven/proven ways to continue forward?
I wish.
Such a thing as this has never happened before in all of human history. At least not to this degree. There have been many genocides throughout history. Peaceful and violent. And there has certainly been a fair amount of treason. However, the degree of the treason and the sheer scale of the genocide is astounding. I am an extremely well read person and yet I am aghast at the scale of this atrocity.

Some folks say that we should take clues from Yugoslavia. The logic is that that was am ethnic/racial war in a sort of first world state (Not a nation as nations are bound by common culture and blood). This is supported by authors like Thomas Chittum who fought in and wrote about the war.
I disagree though. The breakup of Yugoslavia was as much a rebellion of elites within Yugoslavia as an ethnic-war. There are no elites in the west who would defect from the cause of genocide.

Thus, I think that the best "case studies" are working class revolts like in Ireland/Northern Ireland, Spain, and possibly Corsica and Cyprus. I can't recommend third world conflicts because I do not believe that they will shed much light on our own situation.

>>15590
>At its peak, National Alliance had more than a million in its coffers.
I'd rather have a thousand men than a million dollars.

>(Hezbullah) Exists inside a shit hole "country"
Maybe so. Yet they've managed to defeat one of the most well funded military machines and the most brutal terrorist organizations on the planet. And I'm not talking about ISIS.
>>15594 I feel like a lot of the issue is because we can't come together and communicate. We have the internet at our fingertips but it is all so policed that any type of real collaboration or communication is all but pointless. If there were some form of communication we had available, it would make things much easier. ie: if/when the boogaloo happens, will any of us have the ability to actually communicate in a way that is not 100% interceptible? Im not an expert - actually, Im new to talking about minecraft. Mostly this was just a bump but I at least wanted to contribute something.
>>16739 IMO online chatrooms are the way to go. >Get a group of people who you know aren't glowniggers >Assemble on an open source chatroom platform ( I use Riot/Matrix, but use whatever you feel like). Make sure your room isn't open to public >In meatspace, forge friendships, go to the gun range together, (legally) horde weapons, get in shape, have a good time together >Kick out anyone who suggests illegal activities before the boogaloo starts, you're not useful to your race >When SHTF, you'll have a cohesive unit ready to go beat up nogs
I hope some madman deals a fatal blow to it and the lights go out. Industrial society is one of the biggest problems aside from Jewry. I know that the Order was planning to to poison water supplies and take down powerlines before ZOG killed them or threw them in jail.
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>>16742 "when the boogaloo starts" i understand why you would kick people out but to believe that it, the boogaloo, "will" happen is not good nor is it productive... its like saying "naaahhhh, someone else will do it" this was why tarrant was a big deal for the chans... in his very manifesto, he detailed that our collective inaction will be our downfall, someone has to be brave enough to risk and sacrifice everything to get the "game" started, someone has to be willing to do something, "why isnt anyone doing something, anything, wait... why cant i do something?" i know i will get called a fed poster or a glowie but honestly within the game of minecraft, i really do think a fews guys, 3-4, could start "playing" with power lines more often which will be a perfect start, as all we need is one little spark, one little event to prove just how effective we could be if we just decided to start somewhere small... not only that but there are countless areas where power lines are so vulnerable you could literally throw a balloon at it to sabotage it , then if caught just say to the admin of the minecraft server "sorry it was an accident", and even if they dont believe you, they can't do shit with no evidence, so the mods will just be in spectator mode around you but they cant really touch you until you do something obvious... either way, you cant expect others (especially among us) to start this game mode... or if you really refuse to do anything then fine, wait for that "someone else will surely be a bigger and braver man than i and start this" time but have fun knowing deep down inside you too are placid, just like everyone here too afraid to start something, anything... even i am scared but "there is no courage without fear". i know i came off a little kikish there but i really do mean that no one will start the minecraft game if we all simply expect someone else to do it
>>16855 It doesn't need to be organized. If anything it is better if it is less organized.
>>16877 2 men can accomplish a hell of a lot more than 1.
>>16855 >this was why tarrant lol muh manifesto the state of pol and its moist girls the game started a long time ago but that shit needs prep in case you didnt know kickers didnt wait for some random mad aussie to plan ahead to buildup
>>15210 >I'm only assuming that any successful attack will be blamed on momentary outages or some sort of natural disaster. Speaking of which what was all that stuff in Cali? (power outages, forest fires) What's going on there?
>>16855 >its like saying "naaahhhh, someone else will do it" I don't know risking jail or death is a pretty big deal.. People who are well fed, warm and comfortable have a bigger threshold to cross than those who have lived their entire lives in misery. Most people do not CHOOSE to engage in revolution, it's not a question of want, or ideology, but some combination of extreme emotional stress (rage, bitterness), and hopelessness.. So far - Brenton was a rich global drifter with no purpose or home, and he was confronted by the enormity of what's going on. Earnest looked forward to a bright future as a male nurse.. (though he was pretty based being the least motivated by circumstance) Crusius wrote "the future I have been preparing for does not exist". That Ernst guy (who shot the politician) in Germany has been in the "extreme right" for quite some time - and did not seem like he had much prospects, plus with all the hell in Germany from the muzzies... Revolution is in most cases not really a choice.. For the jews it is, but they don't take risks - they are evil rats, and act as a group..
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>>17060 >Speaking of which what was all that stuff in Cali? (power outages, forest fires) What's going on there? Power companies cut way back on trimming trees away from power lines because (a) trimming is expensive and (b) residents hate the trimming. Weather happens, trees catch fire, then structures. People die. California government extracts $billions from power company. Power companies cut power on windy days to (a) prevent fires and (b) punish residents and their government.
>>17062 Tarrant, Earnest, and Crusius were all actors engaging in antiwhite hoaxes/psyops, as were Breivik, Roof, Bowers, Manshaus, and Balliet (and McVeigh and Rudolph, if we go back to the nineties). Your whole comment now becomes moot. I do not know whether or not Ernst was a legitimate killer (and, going by the track record of obvious jewish psyops, likely not), but has there actually been a case of a legitimate WN attacker with real victims, not crisis actors and crocodile tears? Considering all these "attackers" are false flag actors, that makes the WN track record look even worse: all bark and no bite.
>>17090 >Everything is a psyop because I say so >Source; Dude, trust me >White nationalists are all bark and no bite <Oh really? Why do you say so? >Because all White nationalists who do fight back are mossadciafbihoaxes <And how do you know this? >Because I said so, that's why.
>>17090 This is Qoomer-tier "muh deep state" bullshit Do you really think nobody ever just snaps? What about apolitical mass killers, I take it they're psyops too because there is absolutely no way any individual ever just does things like that?
>>16742 >online chatrooms are the way to go It is even better if you find chats or plugins that have OMEMO. https://conversations.im/omemo/
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>>17120 In the current state of the world there's no reason for a man to die of natural causes.
>>15510 >hiring literal criminal gangs >soy-left actually believes this They actually side with this criminal trash over peaceful legal citizens that may have dissident views, and they propose this strategy with a straight face on radio? Holy shit. Do they not notice how bad they sound to the average citizen? Are they just gambling that they can frame the opposition as worse than MS-13? This is pure red pill fodder. This needs to become a meme to wake up the people, like quote, picture, and sourced/archived link to this Piece of Shit. If they don't feel safe around these Globalist pigs they might start to question it all. >"wipe the floor with any White nationalist militias they came across." I doubt it considering the IQ differences. Gangs could wage petty streetwars knowing who is who, but not 4th generation warfare and goals thereof. The gangs would most likely just attack and rob anyone that isn't in their race and gang.

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